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September 1926 ⢠Amtlich wird gemeldet: Mit dem Jnkrafttreten des nÀchstjÀhrigen Sommerfahrplans werden im inneren und im ÀuÃeren Dienstverkehr bei der Deutschen Reichspost und der Deutschen Reichsbahn die Stunden âum Mitternacht beginnendâ von 1 bis 24 bezeichnet werden, wie es bereits in fast allen LÀndern des europÀischen Festlandes geschieht." 01:42:00 <Elukka> "Arabic - detected" 01:42:05 <Elukka> no, google, pretty sure that's not arabic... 01:43:31 <drac_boy> heh 01:45:00 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 01:53:25 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:54:35 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.129.176] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:57:27 * drac_boy pokes flygon with a coal shovel from the class R locomotive 01:57:29 <drac_boy> :p 01:57:51 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:57:56 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:58:14 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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today 02:47:41 <Flygon> Then find out when I do page 1... 02:47:52 <drac_boy> heh :p 02:47:58 <Flygon> I get the feeling he's going to have me on Spin Cycle @_@ 02:48:52 <drac_boy> :) 02:58:59 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-027-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 03:13:35 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 03:55:51 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bcc9:2efc:3839:70f1] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 04:39:06 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 04:42:58 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [] 04:43:01 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 04:43:39 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [] 04:43:45 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 04:51:32 *** Guest5315 is now known as KyleXY 04:57:23 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: -] 05:25:45 *** Psyk 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[~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 07:51:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:05 <NGC3982> Morning 08:06:45 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-32-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:08:36 *** bigdavedev [~dabr@mail.cpacsystems.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:08 *** bigdavedev [~dabr@mail.cpacsystems.se] has joined #openttd 08:09:21 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:47 <Supercheese> Good night 08:11:55 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 08:15:34 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:27:36 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:46:27 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:51:37 *** JVassie [0219cb51@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:51:50 <JVassie> Anyone happen to have a link for the german TT forums please? 09:53:00 *** JVassie [0219cb51@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 09:58:08 <peter1138> tt-ms.de 10:01:53 <planetmaker> good day 10:04:17 <NGC3982> Morning, PM, and Peter. 10:06:30 <Ammler> guete Morge :-) 10:06:52 <Ammler> he, what's with the German forum again? 10:07:22 <NGC3982> Works around here. 10:07:30 <peter1138> Well, there's a big problem with them. They're all in German. 10:07:34 <NGC3982> If it's http://www.tt-ms.de/home/ you are refering too. 10:07:36 <planetmaker> @ports 10:07:36 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 10:07:39 <NGC3982> peter1138: ;) 10:11:05 <Ammler> afaik, the admin of tt-ms is swiss 10:20:11 *** bigdavedev [~dabr@mail.cpacsystems.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:24 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-013-103.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:26:40 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:01 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.80.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:52 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-15-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:46:42 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.94.194] has joined #openttd 11:02:41 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:10:23 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:34 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:26:37 *** bigdavedev [~dabr@mail.cpacsystems.se] has joined #openttd 11:28:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:37 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:32:03 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-15-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:40:25 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:14 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 11:59:03 <frosch123> hmm, someone remembers the old days when cargo was delivered to stations before a vehicle arrived at them? 11:59:19 <frosch123> is it true, that the station rating did not change? 11:59:33 <frosch123> but stayed at the inital value until a vehicle arrived 12:00:19 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:19 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:19 *** SmatZ- [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:19 *** tneo- [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 12:00:19 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 12:00:19 *** XeryusTC_ [~XeryusTC@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 12:00:19 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 12:00:19 *** Yexo- [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:19 *** Hirundo_ [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 12:00:19 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:19 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:19 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 12:00:45 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:00:47 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:01:15 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:01:45 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:01:45 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:01:45 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:01:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 12:02:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:02:15 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:02:32 <NGC3982> I recall something like that, yes. 12:02:45 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:02:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 12:03:03 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:03:28 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:03:45 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:06:03 <frosch123> nope, not true 12:16:25 *** dada78641 [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:40 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-15-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time transfer stations did not get a rating 12:18:44 <NGC3982> frosch123: ? 12:31:32 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:33:49 *** dada78641 [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:39 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:42 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 12:53:10 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:10:45 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-15-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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14:26:15 <NGC3982> It feels like a good idea, initially. 14:28:18 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:39 <frosch123> i think in some places there is implicit autocompletion 14:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> afair there's already autocomplete for town names and player names 14:28:57 <frosch123> don't confuse chat and console :p 14:29:08 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-32-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 14:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i mean there is already some infrastructure there, which may be extended upon 14:29:40 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 14:30:04 <frosch123> anyway, iirc some stuff autocompletes if it unique 14:30:18 <NGC3982> When logging on as a player, do i download the cfg from the server? 14:30:20 <frosch123> set and list_settings and stuff 14:30:24 <frosch123> though i am not sure :p 14:31:10 <frosch123> NGC3982: some settings are tied to the savegame (i.e. the server), some to the client, some to the company (depending on whether you join or start new) 14:31:26 <frosch123> if you are using a recent version the adv. settings dialog displays for each setting what type it is 14:32:10 <frosch123> (recent might mean "not stable release") 14:32:40 <NGC3982> Ok. 14:46:07 <Ammler> you should also check the just introduced admin interface :-P 14:48:24 *** JakeGrey [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:48:28 <Ammler> of course you don't download the cfg, it might have sensitive data on it 14:50:24 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:58:16 <NGC3982> How do i take part of the settings, then? 15:01:07 <NGC3982> Speaking of 15:01:17 <NGC3982> No, not speaking at all. 15:01:18 <NGC3982> Bbl. 15:14:18 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.131.213] has joined #openttd 15:22:04 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:28:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:55 *** lol [d47ad903@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:09 *** lol [d47ad903@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:33:04 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:33:06 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:17 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:37:36 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:47 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:37:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:40:50 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:44:33 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:26 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 15:57:30 <drac_boy> hi 15:57:46 <andythenorth> ho 15:57:52 <drac_boy> anyone around for some random train discussions? :p 15:58:01 <drac_boy> oh hi andythenorth-the-crazy-coder 15:58:03 <drac_boy> heh heh 15:59:43 <V453000> I can give you some random train discussion but I am afraid you will not like it :( 16:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> [23:24:08] <Eddi|zuHause> (answer to andy:) towns store all "town effect" cargos, other storage is probably not sensible 16:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> gtg, though 16:01:56 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/92jDG.png 16:02:07 <NGC3982> This is a good day. 16:03:15 <andythenorth> NGC3982: you need to go more meta 16:03:33 <andythenorth> make a rollercoaster industry *inside* OpenTTD 16:03:40 <andythenorth> which contains a full running RCT game 16:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> someone tried that already 16:03:52 <drac_boy> V453000 well...give it a go :P 16:04:44 <V453000> my current train issue is whether I want to autoreplace 3000 asiastars to a different engine, and I am thinking of options how 16:05:23 <andythenorth> so...looks like FIRS economies are going to produce a nice list of ponies and wishful thinking 16:05:25 <drac_boy> V453000 did asiastars even exist anywhere? :) 16:05:42 <V453000> does that matter? 16:05:58 <andythenorth> on a cosmic timescale, no 16:06:02 <andythenorth> on a nerd timescale, maybe 16:06:24 <V453000> I wasnt responding to you andy ... I havent seen economies yet :) enough to talk about it, at least 16:06:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.73] has joined #openttd 16:06:56 <andythenorth> I meant the asiastars :P 16:08:52 * drac_boy would had rather ordered/refurbished some BR.103's by then instead ;) 16:12:38 <NGC3982> andythenorth: My god. 16:12:48 <NGC3982> < Eddi|zuHause> someone tried that already 16:12:56 * NGC3982 gets the chills. 16:13:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D62A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:19:44 *** JakeGrey [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:47 *** JakeGrey_ [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:19:51 *** JakeGrey_ is now known as JakeGrey 16:26:55 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:01 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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18:20:09 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.66.217] has joined #openttd 18:20:41 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:52 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:24:17 <frosch123> we don't have bundles for debug symbols 18:25:40 <Rait> well, that sucks. i would've taken a look at win 8 fullscreen problem, but no chance then 18:26:11 <frosch123> ah, for msvc there are the files somewhere 18:26:13 <frosch123> glx might know 18:26:38 <glx> they are on binaries 18:27:13 <frosch123> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.2.3/index.html <- ah, indeed, there are pdb files 18:27:53 <glx> also available for nightlies 18:28:21 <Rait> cool, thanks 18:45:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24710 trunk/src/lang/indonesian.txt (2012-11-12 18:45:07 UTC) 18:45:16 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:17 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 42 changes by adjayanto 18:45:28 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-32-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:46:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:28 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:58:33 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:01:29 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.94.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:20 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:39 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:13 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:22:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 19:22:17 *** maan [5c11e58b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:23:01 <maan> hello again - is this a channel for support? 19:23:19 <frosch123> this is the general channel for everythin 19:23:52 <andythenorth> we should get ZenDesk for support o_O 19:24:02 <andythenorth> maybe we can pay someone to do it :P 19:24:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: we should do that for osx support :p 19:24:51 <andythenorth> there's OS X support? :o 19:25:10 <frosch123> yup, provided by andy 19:25:14 <frosch123> do you know him? 19:25:27 <maan> hi guys - only found out about OpenTTD yesterday and wow am impressed 19:25:48 <maan> i been playing it all day lol 19:26:00 <FLHerne> It does that to you :-/ 19:26:03 <frosch123> still impressed? or already depressed? :p 19:26:06 <maan> lol 19:26:18 <FLHerne> Ruined my productivity for the last two years now :-( 19:26:33 <maan> i must admit i been going round in circles but hey thats the fun of it 19:27:36 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.131.213] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:12 <maan> i got a prob that i can't seem to solve involving broken trucks, can't figure out how to replace one 19:28:41 <maan> such a basic question for you guys lol 19:29:00 <Yexo> send it to a depot, click clone, click original vehicle, sell original vehicle, start new vehicle 19:29:26 <Alberth> when you play with breakdowns, make sure there are enough depots around for servicing 19:29:27 <maan> see told ya it was an easy one for you guru's lol 19:29:56 <Kylie> hi maan 19:30:16 <maan> hi kylie 19:30:17 <Kylie> maan: also there ius auto replaace if, uh 19:30:32 <Alberth> when you get tired of doing what Yexo suggest, read about autorenew and autoreplace 19:30:46 <maan> i did look at thta but wasn't sure it was working lol 19:30:47 <Kylie> maan: if you need to upgrade or downgrade capacity or use different vehicles 19:31:05 <Kylie> maan: there is a caevat here tho 19:31:41 <maan> now yr getting too technical kylie lol 19:32:05 <Kylie> maan: a vehicle with a given name cannot be autoreplaced witth thee same vehicle 19:32:11 <FLHerne> maan: Autorenew replaces vehicles with new vehicles of the same type as they reach their maximum recommended age, Autoreplace replaces vehicles immediately with vehicles of a different type :-) 19:32:24 <Kylie> maan: ^^^^^ 19:32:40 <maan> nice tips there thanks huys 19:32:48 <maan> guys* 19:33:19 <FLHerne> Also, look at the screenshots forum. It has interesting examples of ways you can build stuff 19:33:37 <FLHerne> Usually with trains, because trains are fun :P 19:34:01 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 19:34:13 <maan> yeah got scrnshots coming outta my eyes now lol 19:34:32 <Zuu> Or start some AIs and have an example game played just for you :-) 19:34:55 <FLHerne> Zuu: That relies on the AI not behaving like an idiot, like it normally does :P 19:35:08 * FLHerne hasn't found an AI that's fun to play against yet :-( 19:35:09 <maan> only been using trucks for short distance around the cities and trains for longer ones 19:35:45 <Zuu> I have had fun playing against my own AI for more than once. 19:35:59 <Kylie> maan: generally a good policy 19:36:11 <maan> omg you guys are coders too 19:36:13 <Kylie> quck question for yall 19:36:19 <Kylie> quick* 19:36:31 <Zuu> Also, while I'm biased, I don't think all AIs behave like idiots. 19:36:45 <maan> lol 19:36:58 <FLHerne> Zuu: AIAI is better than the rest, but not by enough :P 19:37:00 <Kylie> i've noticed trucks/buses have a high running cost and that presents itself in high losses 19:37:18 <FLHerne> There's a difference between 'profitable' and 'not an idiot' ;-) 19:37:46 <Kylie> what ca n be done to mitigate these high losses? 19:38:01 <maan> funny but i been earning quite nicely from buses/trucks 19:38:10 <frosch123> if it is only busses/trucks, you might want to use a basecost grf 19:38:10 <FLHerne> Kylie: What sort of situation are you using them in? 19:38:20 <Yexo> Kylie: make sure they have higher profits? 19:38:25 <Kylie> FLHerne: im just talking generally 19:38:42 <Yexo> it really depends on the newgrf you use for them what the runnings costs are 19:38:46 <Kylie> but i know that passenger delivery creates losses 19:39:11 <FLHerne> Kylie: Buses seem not to cause trouble for anyone else, so you must be doing something wrong :D 19:39:29 <Yexo> s/wrong/different/ 19:39:47 <Kylie> wekll, what's the /ideal/ profitable situaation for passenger delivery with buses ? 19:39:52 <FLHerne> Yexo: If 'Different' leads to 'negative profit', it's wrong :P 19:39:53 <NGC3982> For pete sake 19:40:03 <Kylie> emphasis on iddeal 19:40:13 <maan> i got 10 buses/trucks and earning around 27k 19:40:18 <Yexo> Kylie: that question is way too general, even though it might not look like it, there are a lot of settings that influence that, not in the least which NewGRFs you are using 19:40:19 <NGC3982> What use do a 891 letter long URL have in the content download if i can't click it. 19:40:57 <frosch123> there is a "website" button at the bottom 19:41:05 <Kylie> well i dont have a game up here so :p 19:41:22 <Yexo> ideal situation is a newgrf which settings running cost to 0, increase payment for passengers a lot, increases passenger productino and also max cargo load of road vehicles 19:41:23 <FLHerne> Kylie: Ideal for any mode of transport is running fully loaded from one corner of the map to the other, fully loaded, then unloading, reloading, and going back the other way ;-) 19:41:38 <Kylie> FLHerne: that far? 19:41:38 <FLHerne> Plus what Yexo said, of course 19:42:43 <Kylie> Yexo: names of newgrf pls? 19:43:01 <FLHerne> Kylie: In general, further is better. Payment is based on cargo/speed, so the further you go, the higher the average speed (less accelerating) and the further the distance :-) 19:43:02 <Yexo> Kylie: that was a hypothetical example 19:43:22 <Yexo> a basecost newgrf can be used to change running cost, different town sets have different passenger production rates 19:43:40 <Alberth> you don't need increased pax production, they come with enough people already :p 19:43:45 <Kylie> FLHerne: ah makes sense 19:43:48 <Kylie> pax = ? 19:43:53 <Alberth> passengers 19:43:54 <FLHerne> Of course, that isn't a very good place to use buses, because trains or planes are far more profitable over such distances :P 19:44:24 <Kylie> FLHerne: true 19:47:09 <NGC3982> FLHerne: Oh! 19:47:25 <NGC3982> FLHerne: My irritation was absurdly missplaced. 19:48:04 <Kylie> FLHerne: i've had to replace buses with streetcars in densely populated areas 19:48:13 <maan> its fun learning by yr mistakes tho lol 19:49:20 <maan> sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees so it's nice to get fresh eyes on a problem and for that I thank you for yr suggestions guys 19:49:36 <maan> it worked too lol 19:49:46 <frosch123> maan: just press ctrl+x and set trees to invisible :p 19:50:08 <maan> i was speaking figuratively there lol 19:50:34 <Kylie> ive done caalculations and the amount of buses to satisfy the capacity in densely populated areas gets too high so yeah 19:51:05 <frosch123> usually trams have higher capacity 19:51:20 <Kylie> yes thats why i've replaced wiith trams :p 19:51:47 <frosch123> streetcars are trams? 19:51:55 <maan> i not got that far yet so more fun to come 19:52:08 <frosch123> weird AE :p 19:52:19 <Kylie> streetcar = tram frosch123 19:52:58 <frosch123> i thought the streetcar newgrf provides personal cars like taxis etc. 19:53:01 <Yexo> frosch123: us english vs british english :) 19:57:54 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: -] 20:00:59 <frosch123> hmm, what application to use for rss feeds? 20:01:08 <frosch123> i cannot find an option in evolution 20:01:18 <frosch123> and firefox does not notify me about new messages 20:02:19 <Alberth> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bamboo-feed-reader/?src=api ?? 20:02:50 <andythenorth> use your mail client? 20:02:53 <Ammler> frosch123: hehe, poor gnome user has to search for tools like windows :-) 20:03:45 <frosch123> Ammler: you mean i shall use the gnome default one? 20:03:58 <frosch123> "liferea" - never heard about it :p 20:12:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24711 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2012-11-12 20:12:26 UTC) 20:12:33 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r10354): Check whether to not display a ^ loading indicator at drop stations only worked if there was no other vehicle unloading for 255 ticks. 20:12:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24712 trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp (2012-11-12 20:12:45 UTC) 20:12:52 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5303]: [NewGRF] Station variables 61 and 62 returned incorrect values, if no vehicle ever tried loading. 20:13:08 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24713 /trunk/src (roadveh_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp) (2012-11-12 20:13:02 UTC) 20:13:09 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5262]: [NewGRF] Tolerate old NewGRFs returning invalid values via CB 11. 20:13:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24714 /trunk/src (newgrf_station.cpp station_cmd.cpp) (2012-11-12 20:13:17 UTC) 20:13:23 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5337]: [NewGRF] Draw default foundations if resolving of custom station foundation sprites fails. 20:13:41 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24715 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2012-11-12 20:13:34 UTC) 20:13:42 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5335]: [NewGRF] Allow stations to draw snow/desert aware ground sprites with railtype overlays. 20:13:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24716 trunk/src/openttd.cpp (2012-11-12 20:13:51 UTC) 20:13:58 <DorpsGek> -Feature(ette): Reset engine pool when starting a scenario. 20:14:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24717 trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp (2012-11-12 20:14:08 UTC) 20:14:14 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5139]: When starting a scenario apply the local company settings to the new company. 20:14:20 <Alberth> Akregator seems to allow notifications 20:14:22 <FLHerne> frosch123: Akregator is nice. Also part of Kontact, so I can deal with mail and calendars at the same time :-) 20:14:38 <frosch123> i use the gnome default one for now 20:14:38 <FLHerne> Alberth: Oi! I was saying that! :D 20:15:06 * andythenorth thinks rss is like email, so a mail client makes sense :P 20:15:19 <FLHerne> frosch123: You should get KDE instead and use the defaults for that :P 20:15:24 <Alberth> irc is an asynchronous system :) 20:15:31 <frosch123> FLHerne: i left kde with version 4 20:15:39 <frosch123> i might retry it with gnome 3 :p 20:15:47 <FLHerne> frosch123: They fixed it. 4.9 is great :-) 20:16:01 <FLHerne> I remember 4.0, that was indeed the buggiest POC ever 20:16:20 <Alberth> FLHerne: you did not try Gnome 3 then :) 20:16:34 <Alberth> quite unusable :) 20:16:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:46 <frosch123> FLHerne: 4.3 was the only one i tried 20:17:14 <FLHerne> Alberth: I gave it a quick try, the WM didn't crash every time I resized a window :P 20:17:19 <frosch123> then i switched to xfce. when i switched to debian, i just used the default gnome 20:17:50 <frosch123> but when i update debian somewhen, i might check something else, since the debian preview i have in a vm has a crappy gnome 20:17:52 <Alberth> gnome2 is sane enough to use :) 20:17:55 <FLHerne> frosch123: 4.4 was where it started to improve significantly, by 4.6 they had it almost nailed :-) 20:18:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.254.69] has joined #openttd 20:18:53 <FLHerne> 4.7-4.9 has been mostly minor stuff, but covered all the niggly 'why does it behave like that?' issues I had before 20:26:36 <frosch123> well, i have learned to try new releases and wms only in a vm first :p 20:31:58 <Rait> anyone tried compiling with VS2012? 20:32:45 * Rubidium remembers failing in a pre-beta version 20:33:14 *** maan [5c11e58b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:33:21 <Rait> yeah, it whines about macro redefinition 20:37:54 *** maan [5c11e58b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:18 <Yexo> Rait: could you copy/paste the exact error to http://paste.openttdcoop.org/ ? 20:39:41 <Rait> error VS gives me? 20:39:59 <Yexo> yes 20:42:52 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-013-103.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:43:52 <frosch123> yay, my TODO bookmarks fit on one page again! 20:45:34 <FLHerne> My one Todo is: Update list of things to do :D 20:46:11 <frosch123> are you not doing that during your sleep? 20:46:29 <Rait> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1922/ 20:46:52 <FLHerne> frosch123: Yes, but then I never get round to typing it into my computer :P 20:48:53 <frosch123> Rait: so it fails to give a proper error location? :p 20:49:03 <Rait> seems so 20:49:04 <frosch123> anyway, does it work if you comment stdafx.h:187 ? 20:49:26 <Alberth> nice error :p 20:49:52 <Rait> it's already commented out 20:50:04 <Yexo> Rait: does it compile with http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/msvc2012.diff ? 20:50:05 <Rait> by me that is 20:50:20 <Yexo> nvm, that's what frosch123 already suggested :p 20:50:41 <frosch123> did you check that "xkeycheck.h" file? 20:50:52 <frosch123> i have no idea what that refers to 20:51:15 <Yexo> #pragma warning(enable: 4005) <- perhaps that helps? 20:51:20 <Rait> yeah, it basically disallows any overrides of c++ keywords and throws errors if it finds one 20:51:29 <Rait> Yexo, this goes where? 20:51:37 <Yexo> somewhere in stdafx.h 20:51:41 <Yexo> near the top 20:54:10 <Rubidium> is inline a c++ keyword then? 20:54:42 *** maan [5c11e58b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:54:48 <Rubidium> ah yes... it seems to be 20:54:49 <frosch123> it is listed in 2.11 "keywords" 20:55:25 <Rubidium> ohoh... that's going to yield a mess 20:55:59 <Yexo> s/inline/FORCEINLINE/ in all header files? 20:56:31 <Alberth> didn't we remove all the incline stuff recently? 20:56:36 <Alberth> -c 20:56:41 <Yexo> apparently, I can't find it anymore 20:56:54 <Rubidium> exactly that :( 20:57:22 <Rait> Yexo after the fix: 20:57:22 <Rait> Warning 2 warning C4615: #pragma warning : unknown user warning type (..\src\core\alloc_func.cpp) e:\dl\openttd-1.2.3-source\openttd-1.2.3\src\stdafx.h 12 1 strgen 20:57:22 <Rait> repeated by several hundred copys. i guess efery file compiling touches 20:57:43 <Rait> some errors too 20:57:58 <Yexo> Rait: so it's impossible to disable that warning 20:58:02 <frosch123> r23640 removed the FORCEINLINE 20:58:09 <Yexo> commenting out the #define inline __forceinline line should work though 20:58:10 <frosch123> before that we defined inline to _inline 20:59:05 <Yexo> question is: do we really need __forceinline everywhere? 20:59:52 <frosch123> only a profile run can answer :) 21:00:48 <Rubidium> IIRC it was significant enough for the pathfinder 21:01:10 <frosch123> well, but also with lto? :p 21:01:17 <Rubidium> and I wonder whether the (map) accessors and stuff are considered easy enough by the compiler to inline them 21:01:26 <Rubidium> frosch123: lto isn't really used yet 21:01:34 <Rubidium> not sure whether it actually reliably works yet 21:01:40 <Yexo> if the map accessors are not automatically inlined msvc is really braindead 21:01:43 <frosch123> we are talking about msvc 21:01:46 <Yexo> I'd be really surprised if they are not btw 21:02:38 <Rubidium> I'd first check *if* MSVC 2012 can build proper binaries and then start thinking about profiling 21:03:01 <Rubidium> I seem to remember you being only able to build app store apps with it (or with the free version at least) 21:03:09 <Yexo> that got reverted 21:03:16 <Rubidium> sissies 21:03:42 <Yexo> there is now an "express for windows 8" and an "express for windows desktop" 21:06:05 <SmatZ> compiling openttd with -Winline gives tons of "inlining failed" messages 21:06:18 <frosch123> "failed"? 21:06:25 <frosch123> how can it fail? 21:06:36 <Rubidium> recursion 21:06:42 <SmatZ> frosch123: gcc decided not to inline the call :P 21:06:44 <frosch123> oh, haha :p 21:06:44 <Yexo> or function being to big to inline 21:06:52 <SmatZ> it doesn't even need to be "uninlinable" 21:07:00 <SmatZ> warning: inlining failed in call to âT Align(T, uint) [with T = unsigned int; uint = unsigned int]â: call is unlikely and code size would grow [-Winline] 21:07:17 <SmatZ> warning: inlining failed in call to âNWID* Window::GetWidget(uint) [with NWID = NWidgetCore; uint = unsigned int]â: call is unlikely and code size would grow [-Winline] 21:07:31 <SmatZ> I think these two are mentioned the most often 21:07:36 <frosch123> well, ok, if it calls that "failed" :) 21:07:50 <Rubidium> GetWidget being called unlikely? 21:08:44 <Yexo> splitting inline to "inline" and "FORCEINLINE" has the advantage we could use __attribute__((always_inline)) for gcc 21:11:45 <Alberth> compared with path finding, GetWidget is unlikely :) 21:12:49 <Yexo> it's per call to GetWidget 21:13:06 <Yexo> first time it warns for me it from ai_gui.cpp:113, that call is certainly unlikely 21:17:30 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/Winline_sort.txt many warnings :) 21:17:51 <SmatZ> 9321 lines.. 21:18:30 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:20:08 <SmatZ> I am not compiling a release version, so assert() grows many small functions significantly... 21:20:42 <Rubidium> I hope it isn't an enable-debug=3-ish build either ;) 21:21:10 <Yexo> SmatZ: that makes the test basically useless 21:21:29 <SmatZ> yeah, recompiling now :) 21:22:30 <Rubidium> gheheh... today xkcd remember me of Guy Steele's "Growing a language" speech/presentation 21:23:25 <SmatZ> :) 21:24:45 <V453000> hi beer :) 21:25:07 <SmatZ> hello V. :) 21:26:00 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:22 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/forceinline.diff <- on two random testgames with quite a few things going on this makes openttd significantly faster 21:32:24 <Yexo> tested with: time bin/openttd -g savegame.sav -snull -mnull -vnull:ticks=2000 -x 21:32:46 <SmatZ> good :) 21:32:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:33:02 <Yexo> +- 7.5s without vs +- 6.6s with that diff 21:33:22 <SmatZ> 7.5s for 2000 ticks looks like very short time 21:33:26 <SmatZ> wasn't the game paused? 21:33:41 <SmatZ> or it wasn't a huge coop-style game :) 21:34:06 <Yexo> not paused, the game was from coop actually 21:34:08 <Yexo> 1378 trains 21:34:13 <frosch123> @calc 2000/74 21:34:14 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 27.027027027 21:34:21 <frosch123> one month 21:34:37 <frosch123> quite fast for 7.5s 21:34:40 <SmatZ> you have a very powerful CPU then :) 21:34:54 <Rubidium> or it is just scanning NewGRFs? 21:34:59 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:35:10 <Yexo> Rubidium: I've tested that too of course 21:35:16 <Yexo> loading an almost empty games takes +- 1.7s 21:35:23 <Yexo> most of that is scanning newgrfs 21:35:58 <frosch123> you do not have 975 of them then :p 21:36:01 <Yexo> devs.openttd.org/~yexo/coop19.sav <- there is the savegame 21:36:12 <Yexo> only 600 21:36:18 <Yexo> but it's with a hot cache 21:37:00 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/speedy_md5.diff <- using openssl to calculate the md5 of newgrfs can speed up openttd a little bit 21:37:12 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:37:16 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/Winline_sort_disable_assert.txt only with 151 warnings... 21:37:20 <SmatZ> that is gcc 4.8 21:37:25 <Yexo> but openssl' license is problematic I think, and using gnutls (also in the diff) is not faster than our code 21:38:19 <Yexo> SmatZ: it would be more useful with the extra line of context, ie from where it fails to inline them 21:38:28 <SmatZ> also adds an (optional) dependence.... 21:39:10 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/make_log_disable_assert.txt Yexo <-- the whole log 21:39:12 <Yexo> yeah, it was mostly an experiment to see if it could be done faster 21:39:30 <Yexo> performance gain is minimal, so not worth the trouble imo 21:41:46 <andythenorth> hi hi Yexo, would you mind looking at this sometime? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3954 21:42:06 <andythenorth> I had a look at it at the weekend, but found I had questions, so de-prioritised it :) 21:42:09 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.131.213] has joined #openttd 21:42:41 <andythenorth> hmm 21:42:58 <Yexo> sure, np 21:43:09 <andythenorth> the ticket should say the purpose - which is to provide more variety at industries with two outputs, e.g. farms 21:43:15 <andythenorth> I'll add that 21:43:20 <Yexo> please do 21:44:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:41 <andythenorth> thanks 21:45:04 <Rait> anything else i can do regarding the w8 bug? 21:45:07 <Yexo> warning: inlining failed in call to 'SQCompiler::~SQCompiler() noexcept (true)': call is unlikely and code size would grow [-Winline] <- how can the call to that destructor be unlikely? 21:45:24 <Yexo> Rait: commenting out the "#define inline __forceinline" line should help 21:45:35 <Yexo> if not, wait for somebody else with msvc2012 who can fix it 21:46:39 <andythenorth> FIRS open tickets will soon all be graphics not code 21:46:45 <andythenorth> apart from bugs that get raised :P 21:47:02 <Rait> well, it's commented out and it still whines about this. the paste i gave is with this commented 21:47:18 <Rait> but that's just me unable to compile. the real bug i was referring to whas going to fullscreen 21:52:39 <andythenorth> bed 21:52:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:52:53 <michi_cc> Rait: There's an identical line at src/3rdparty/squirrel/include/squirrel.h:39, you probably have to comment that as well. 21:59:08 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24718 /trunk/src (6 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-12 21:59:02 UTC) 21:59:09 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename GoodsEntry::days_since_pickup to GoodsEntry::time_since_pickup. 21:59:10 <planetmaker> evening 22:03:16 <Yexo> hi planetmaker 22:03:20 <Yexo> and good night :) 22:03:39 <planetmaker> :-) sleep well, Yexo 22:03:52 <Rait> damnit, still won't compile. something about SAFESEH. no idea what this is :) 22:03:59 <Rait> good night 22:04:11 <V453000> 90% servicing interval means that whenever reliability drops below 90%, train will want to service? 22:04:31 <frosch123> check the description 22:04:37 <frosch123> it is realtive to the max reliavility 22:04:43 <frosch123> but i do not know in which direction 22:04:52 <frosch123> whether drop to 90% or drop by 90% :) 22:04:58 <V453000> ah right 22:05:10 <V453000> well yeah that is exactly what I am wondering about :) 22:05:44 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:50 <frosch123> the description says "by" 22:05:58 <V453000> yeah 22:06:08 <frosch123> just use "50" :p 22:06:09 <V453000> so if I set it to 0%, it should mean trains always want to service? 22:06:23 <V453000> 100 I mean, 0 disables it 22:06:26 <frosch123> if you set it to 0% i guess they should not want to leave depots :p 22:06:39 <V453000> exactly 22:06:58 <V453000> need something like that 22:07:14 <frosch123> no idea what happens when you set it to more than 100 :p 22:07:15 <V453000> autoreplace needs the train to demand a service 22:07:27 <V453000> idk but max is 900 for some reason :D guess thati s for the day units 22:07:33 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:47 <frosch123> well, the service percent/days setting is the most hackish mess we have in ottd 22:08:01 <frosch123> btw. if you have a running game, changing the value in adv. settings has no effect iirc 22:08:11 <frosch123> it only affects new vehicles, you have to change all your 5000 trains yourself 22:08:59 <V453000> yeah I know 22:09:06 <V453000> just for the next time 22:09:25 <V453000> hm what could be better, 15 days or 5%? .) 22:09:31 <V453000> I mean what occurs quicker 22:09:37 <V453000> would have to test I assume 22:09:39 <frosch123> depends on the vehicle 22:09:51 <frosch123> the reliabilty drops at different speed 22:10:03 <V453000> ah yeah that is true, there is some newgrf value for that 22:10:13 <V453000> hm, guess 15 days is good enough 22:10:43 <frosch123> anyway, if you only use it for autoreplace, then any value triggers it immediately 22:10:52 <V453000> anyway ... I already suggested it, but it would be amazing if the train list ->send all trains for servicing command would just reset that value 22:11:01 <frosch123> last servicing will always be the age of the vehicle, wouldn't it? 22:11:35 <V453000> yeah but if the value is 600 days and I want to autoreplace trains within 300 days, I need to force them to depots 22:11:38 <frosch123> well, there is no fs task about it, is there? 22:11:44 <frosch123> so i cannot add it to my todo bookmarks 22:11:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:50 <V453000> ok :) 22:11:53 <V453000> will do 22:13:45 <V453000> btw is the bug where trains crash when at PBS if you make station longer? 22:14:01 <V453000> will report that as well in case 22:14:14 <V453000> it is in openttd since like forever it seems 22:15:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e8c2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 22:17:51 <Terkhen> good night 22:24:00 <V453000> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5362 22:31:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 22:32:04 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:24 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 22:36:00 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:43:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:57:45 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.76.57] has joined #openttd 23:02:22 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.66.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:02 <frosch123> night 23:03:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:00 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 23:20:02 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:26:36 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: i think there are a few reservation errors with changing stations which nobody really looked at 23:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> most stale reservations i've seen were with stations 23:30:19 <V453000> :) 23:35:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.254.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:32 *** Rait [~rait@41.28.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:05 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]