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00:00:45 <Nat_aS> kik 00:04:32 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host81-156-239-16.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:04:50 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:27 <Superuser> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/el_GR/STR_CHEATS_WARNING < -- needs a full stop at the end as it's a dialogue box. 00:09:38 <Superuser> the original string I mean 00:20:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:31:55 *** Sturmi2 [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi2] 00:36:19 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 00:50:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A0F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:03 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:54 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: goodbyte] 01:09:02 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:09:48 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.40.0.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:25 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host81-156-239-16.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:44 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-15-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:13:09 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 02:15:26 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08fd30.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 02:19:04 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:33 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:54:10 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 02:57:27 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:57:28 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:43 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 03:21:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A2C9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:27:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.164.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:51 *** pugi_ [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 03:33:51 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-052-245.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:53 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 04:24:22 *** catpants [~catpants@174-25-48-78.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [] 04:24:35 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:09 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6745D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC679A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:15:36 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.142.110] has joined #openttd 06:31:30 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:34:46 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 06:46:56 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 06:51:38 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:01 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 07:15:59 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 07:16:18 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:34:46 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:53:49 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:10 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:30 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:14:23 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:58 <dihedral> greetings 08:24:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:24:40 <DDR> GOOD DAY, MY FINE dihedral. HOW ARE YOU?? 08:25:05 <dihedral> i feel a little hammerd, by uppercase characters 08:25:30 <DDR> My personality is intoxicating to you? 08:25:54 <Supercheese> Ouch, the old Uppercase Uppercut 08:35:36 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:51 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:36:36 <dihedral> sorry for being strait out, but the only thing that has to do with personality is the lack thereof 08:40:50 <peter1138> http://i.imgur.com/2bYI7.jpg 08:42:10 <CornishPasty> peter1138: Evil! 08:43:34 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:24 <dihedral> peter1138, done ;-) 09:01:52 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:07:40 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-116-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:05 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:14:34 <MNIM> peter, you basterd. 09:14:37 <MNIM> my poor eyes! 09:15:36 <MNIM> You're not supposed to torture my eyes with that evil image yet until my coffee/tea intake has reached lethal regions yet 09:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's actually fairly easy 09:18:15 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:58 <MNIM> it's easy. but not on the eyes 09:22:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:22:48 <MNIM> I already am tired enough to see everything wave and distort sometimes, no need to induce it. >.> 09:25:08 <peter1138> heh 09:25:38 <SpComb> tried to follow a lecture today without my eyeglasses 09:25:46 <SpComb> it was amusing, same kind of feeling 09:33:02 *** snorre [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:39:47 *** Supercheese_ [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 09:44:58 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:44 *** Supercheese_ [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 10:25:40 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:44:36 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:52:35 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:53:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 10:56:04 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-52-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:59:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:00 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:11:34 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:27 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:27:44 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/44DNR.png 11:27:51 <NGC3982> Haven't seen that before. "We made"? :D 11:37:03 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-189.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:13 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-52-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:55:10 *** roadt__ [~roadt@223.240.104.49] has joined #openttd 11:57:11 *** Alver [~alver@vanalboom.org] has joined #openttd 11:59:44 <Alver> Huzzah. Hello there - I've built openttd on HP-UX (11.31, IA64) but it segfaults upon running. This is the (not very enlightening) gdb output: http://ziff.soleus.nu/openttd.gdb.txt 12:00:05 <Alver> Does anyone have any pointers where to poke for debugging? 12:01:19 <__ln___> fascinating.. how much do such machines cost? 12:01:51 <Alver> Depending on specs and your luck, couple hundred euros. 12:01:59 <Alver> Mine wasn't that expensive :) 12:02:00 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.142.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:25 <__ln___> alright.. do they still sell new ones? 12:02:37 <Alver> IA64? Sure. Plenty. 12:02:55 <Alver> Just not workstations (mine is the last of that short range) 12:03:02 <michi_cc> I once tried to build OpenTTD on an old PA-RISC machine. I gave up after encountering syntax errors in a system header :( 12:03:24 <Alver> I added shared object libs to the gdb file mentioned above 12:04:05 <Alver> michi_cc: I have PARISC around too... should build just fine :) 12:04:54 <Alver> I'd really love to get it running on this machine, though. I was *very* happy it compiled with only two very minor tweaks, but now it just bails. 12:06:02 <michi_cc> Not sure which HP-UX version it had, but it was an older one. Maybe it would have worked with the commercial HP C/C++ compiler, but that wasn't available so I had to do with what the interwebz provided. 12:06:15 <Alver> 11.11, likely. No gfx support in 11.23 on PA. 12:06:28 <Alver> I'm using gcc (4.7.0). 12:07:34 <Alver> I'm not really used to debugging though (not to mention debugging C++)... any ideas? :/ 12:15:07 <__ln___> i guess you should rebuild openttd with debug symbols or something 12:15:37 <Alver> __ln___: that *is* with debug symbols, for all I know... 12:16:00 <Alver> CFLAGS+= -g, not stripped 12:16:09 <__ln___> i see 12:18:03 <Alver> I guess I'll rebuild with --enable-debug=3 to configure 12:20:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Alver: not sure what you're trying to debug, but "make run_gdb" should start the debugger 12:23:19 <Alver> Eddi|zuHause: I'm building with pkgsrc, so that's another layer inbetween 12:25:15 <Alver> I'm just wondering what is causing this segfault 12:25:40 <Alver> I don't mind looking for workarounds or fixes, but I haven't got the faintest clue what this backtrace means 12:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause> segfaults are nasty, indeed 12:27:24 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08edf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:28 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-52-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:06:03 *** Sturminator1987 [bc6f142a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:08 *** Sturminator1987 [bc6f142a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:12:43 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:18:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:27:27 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-52-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:50:44 <Alver> a-HA! 13:51:49 <Alver> Can anyone look at this: http://ziff.soleus.nu/openttd.debug.txt 13:52:22 <Alver> "Pid 13480 was killed due to failure in writing the signal context - possible stack overflow." 13:56:17 <blathijs> Alver: Perhaps you can fiddle with stack size using ulimit? 14:00:14 <Alver> Hmmm, good point 14:01:59 <Alver> blathijs: I already seem to have an 8MB stack 14:02:18 <Alver> I'll check if upping to 16M is possible. 14:02:47 <NGC3982> Modern world problem #1 14:03:13 <NGC3982> On a train, craving Openttd on my laptop 14:03:35 <NGC3982> No power, and no power outlets. 14:03:43 <NGC3982> :-( 14:04:19 <__ln___> No power outlets, what kind of barbaric trains do you have in Sweden? 14:04:58 <NGC3982> The regional trains are a bit old. 14:05:14 <NGC3982> A fair tad. 14:06:23 <NGC3982> Actually, I think these ones are the oldest ones still in use in the south. 14:06:37 <NGC3982> Still used* 14:08:00 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:08:19 <NGC3982> It was. X12 14:15:22 <Flygon> How can any European regional train lack 240v outlets? D: 14:15:43 <Flygon> Even regional ones here have 240v outlets!... just bring a surge protector @_@ 14:16:58 <Alver> blathijs: can't up the stack size any further than 8M. 14:23:32 <Flygon> G'niht 14:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> oh no... it's the "cant read the forum anymore" time... 14:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, both regional and long distance trains are very slowly refitted with power outlets 14:34:01 * NGC3982 found an outlet. 14:34:04 <NGC3982> ONE. 14:34:26 <NGC3982> Well, these trains used to run short runs in Malmö 14:35:08 <NGC3982> And was not designed for traveling long enough routes, making power outlets a resonable upgrade. 14:35:54 <NGC3982> Although, i guess they will be refitted when they visit their first service. 14:36:26 <NGC3982> Trying to play on my dedicated 2048^2 map via 3G was not a fruitful idea. 14:37:37 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:52 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 14:38:27 <V453000> hm, I guess there isnt any way to make a train travel slower through curves? Like maglev has +100% curve speed, would it be possible to make a maglev train travel curves in speed of rail - but on maglev rails? 14:38:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:16 <V453000> something like reversed tilt flag 14:40:25 <V453000> which wouldnt increase, but decrease that 14:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause> curve speed is a railtpye property 14:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but the granularity is really bad... 14:46:51 <V453000> hm 14:47:03 <V453000> I see 14:48:28 <V453000> thanks, I will see if that is a viable option :) 15:13:45 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:25:15 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:06 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:42:44 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:58 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 15:48:16 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-15.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:51:11 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:58:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:a9e4:9916:e1d6:b1bc] has joined #openttd 16:01:45 <dihedral> anybody who could potentially fix a broken lvm partition? 16:03:18 <heffer> broken in what way? 16:07:19 <dihedral> "sda2 too small for target" the lv is suspended 16:08:07 <blathijs> dihedral: And what did you do to get here? 16:08:22 <dihedral> my college tried to extend the partition 16:08:32 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 16:08:37 <dihedral> i have no idea what commands he issued as they are stored in the broken lvm partition 16:08:52 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 16:09:01 <Ammler> there are backups of the lvm config 16:09:12 <dihedral> ... i wish 16:09:24 <dihedral> if there were backups i'd just load those 16:09:48 <Ammler> you have nothing in /etc/lvm/archive ? 16:09:52 <blathijs> This too small error, when do you get that? 16:10:17 <dihedral> Ammler, the partition is / 16:10:27 <dihedral> blathijs, when i tried to active lvm 16:13:05 <blathijs> dihedral: You're running from a live CD or something now? 16:13:16 <dihedral> yup 16:13:17 <dihedral> arch 16:13:18 <blathijs> dihedral: Any chance the kernel you're running now is too old? 16:13:25 <blathijs> http://www.redhat.com/archives/dm-devel/2006-February/msg00068.html 16:14:03 <heffer> and how about resizing the lv to something slightly smaller or exactly as large as the space on the partition? 16:14:13 <blathijs> dihedral: Perhaps you could try breaking in the initrd. If it's a debian-based system, adding break=premount (or something like that) could dump you to a shell in initrd 16:14:36 <Alver> Extending a partition... for LVM? 16:14:38 <Alver> Madness. 16:14:47 <dihedral> it's a redhat based system 16:14:54 <dihedral> Alver, not really Madness at all 16:15:00 <blathijs> heffer: I don't think this error says "The partition is too big", but this error is saying "The lvm userspace binaries are giving weird commands to the kernel" 16:15:16 <Alver> Yes, very much madness. The very purpose of LVM is not having to deal with crap like partition resizing at all... 16:15:28 <Alver> But anyway, yours is broken. 16:15:28 <dihedral> lvdisplay gives information that the size is actually within bounds 16:15:31 * Alver reads backlog 16:15:34 <blathijs> dihedral: The break= trick might work for redhat as well, I think initramfs-tools used by Debian, isn't specific to Debian 16:16:20 <blathijs> Alver: I suspect partition was intented to mean LV above 16:16:33 <dihedral> sorry, yes 16:16:36 <dihedral> exactly that 16:16:43 <Alver> Oh. That does make a big difference. :) 16:17:10 <dihedral> extra drive was added to the system 16:17:13 <blathijs> dihedral: Are you in fact running an older kernel now? 16:17:34 <dihedral> doubt it, redhat 6.3 has an older kernel than arch ;-) 16:18:01 <Alver> Oh, wait. 16:18:16 <Alver> dihedral: are you sure that the extra added device is present still? 16:18:26 <dihedral> .... 16:19:02 <Alver> aka, no missing PVs? 16:19:47 <dihedral> pvdisplay does list the correct data, yet sfdisk -l says it's a type 83 partition instead of 8e 16:20:20 <Alver> You can change partition type if necessary 16:20:20 <peter1138> that's pretty common 16:20:31 <Alver> But it shouldn't matter much, I would hope 16:20:47 <peter1138> magic autodetection, yeah 16:20:49 <Alver> I would interpret your error as 'your VG says that LV is $x big, but I only see sda2, and that's too small to fit that LV' 16:21:30 <dihedral> sadly that is not correct, the current size of the lv is still small enough to fit 16:21:46 <dihedral> the kernel panict when the person tried the lvresize 16:21:52 <Alver> ... ouch. 16:22:07 <dihedral> vg is 90G lv is 85G 16:23:20 <Alver> Hrm, linux' lvdisplay is ass, or else they moved stuff in a place I can't find it 16:23:36 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:23:51 <peter1138> i never bother with lvm 16:23:55 <Alver> dihedral: if it panicked during extending and it won't come up now, the only sane approach is restore from backup. 16:24:04 <Alver> You really cannot trust your data, imo 16:24:07 <peter1138> i don't ever anticipate adding drives and wanting to extend filesystems onto them 16:24:16 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 16:24:21 <Alver> peter1138: it has major advantages 16:24:31 <dihedral> i prever living without lvm too 16:24:47 <dihedral> and i do resize disks or partitions if it really has to be done 16:24:48 <Alver> You can move filesystems from one storage box to another without the services even noticing 16:25:43 <Rubidium> Alver: that stack overflow warning might 'just' be because of the signal handler abort()-ing 16:25:56 <Rubidium> i.e. it's shown whenever a signal is sent from a signal handler 16:27:33 <blathijs> dihedral: I wonder if you could somehow manually retrieve the block list for your PV and perhaps shorten it to only include the blocks from before the resize 16:27:57 <dihedral> it does not look like the resize actually too place 16:28:26 <blathijs> dihedral: The size is still listed at the old size, you mean? 16:28:49 <blathijs> Perhaps the block list (or Physical Extents they are called, I think) is updated but the size isn't? 16:29:02 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:56 <dihedral> that could very well be the case 16:35:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:a9e4:9916:e1d6:b1bc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:17 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-15-85.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:51:35 <dihedral> well, thank you anyway 16:51:45 <dihedral> i'll just leave it at that 16:57:33 <peter1138> Data Allowance: Unlimited 16:57:34 <peter1138> Actual Usage: 121.21 GB 16:57:35 <peter1138> hmm 16:57:49 <peter1138> 120GB downloaded a month o_O 16:58:06 <peter1138> probably all those THQ games on steam... 16:58:36 <peter1138> If during the month you go over your allocated amount and there isn't enough to cover it in the reserve tank we will add another 5Gig which you will be invoiced at £0.00 per Gig. 16:58:39 <peter1138> o_O 16:58:42 <NGC3982> Out of wich contexts? 16:58:43 <NGC3982> -s 16:58:54 <NGC3982> "Reserve tank" :D 16:58:57 <peter1138> i guess i have grandfathered account? heh 16:59:40 <NGC3982> Capped (static) broadband connections are evil. 16:59:44 <NGC3982> Almost by definition. 17:01:28 <Pinkbeast> Errr they're also almost ubiquitous, the only question is whether your ISP lies about it 17:01:31 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host81-156-239-16.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:04 <Pinkbeast> ... not helped here by the Advertising Standards Authority deciding that ISPs were allowed to lie about it, which is a sod if you want to sell an actually-uncapped connection for businesses 17:04:26 <Superuser> guys, more corrections for the original English strings 17:04:44 <Superuser> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/el_GR/STR_CHEATS_WARNING < -- needs a full stop at the end as it's a dialogue box. 17:05:16 <Superuser> no idea what NPF is http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/el_GR/STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PATHFINDER_NPF 17:05:48 <Pinkbeast> "New Path Finder", I think, but please don't take my word for it. 17:05:48 <blathijs> Superuser: New PathFinder 17:06:00 <blathijs> Superuser: Take my word for it (I wrote it) 17:06:03 <Superuser> also, there are some strings that write Maglev as MagLev and others that write it as Maglev 17:06:07 <Superuser> pick one and stick with it 17:06:11 <blathijs> It's not so new anymore, right now though 17:06:26 <Superuser> you could perhaps disambiguate by expanding that acronym? 17:07:07 <blathijs> Superuser: I'm afraid that explicitly writing "New" would only confuse people, given that YAPF is actually newer than NPF 17:07:27 <Superuser> but YAPF is also abbreviated 17:07:33 <Superuser> you should at least let people know what they mean 17:07:57 <Pinkbeast> Suggest "NPF" => "NPF Pathfinder". 17:08:08 <Pinkbeast> Now we know it's a pathfinder but it doesn't suggest it is new. :-) 17:08:09 <Superuser> yeah, recursive acronym lol 17:08:23 <Superuser> PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor 17:08:38 <Superuser> GNU's Not Unix! (I still wonder what it actually is) 17:08:58 <Pinkbeast> I'm entirely serious. What do people want to know? It's a pathfinder. What don't you want to tell them? It's new. 17:09:08 <Pinkbeast> I think it's more than GNU's not UNIX 17:10:08 <Superuser> well, you might as well not people give the option to use that if it has been superseded by YAPF 17:10:24 <Superuser> my bad, not the option, I meant take it out 17:10:29 <Superuser> what am I writing today 17:13:07 <Superuser> anyway, can someone look into my other pedantic corrections, possibly change them in the upstream? Where's Alberth when you need them. :( 17:13:56 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 17:15:30 <blathijs> Superuser: I think the NPF string is fine as it is, since it's displayed as one option of several in the UI. i.e. Pathfinder for trains: NPF / YAPF 17:15:58 <Superuser> cool, I have no problem with that, but what about Maglev and MagLev 17:16:13 <Superuser> it's rendered both ways in the upstream (US English) strings. 17:16:26 <blathijs> I would say Maglev is nicer, but I'm not really authorative anymore :-) 17:17:00 <Pinkbeast> Pick whatever looks nicer in the target language and be consistent? 17:17:23 <Superuser> it's just called Maglev in my language, and I assume it's a similar situation for most languages 17:17:46 <Superuser> but anyway, I'm highlighting this problem so that the most-played language version (US English) is ALSO consistent! 17:18:17 <Superuser> My man Alberth would make a change in the code as soon as I pedantically pointed the stuff out, what a guy 17:18:23 <Superuser> though he wouldn't commit straight away 17:18:36 <Superuser> just push all that later with another commit 17:20:58 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:47 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:08 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:38:08 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:47:43 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 18:05:29 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:16:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B384.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00bc5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:15 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host81-156-239-16.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:39:08 *** teggi [~teggi@73.240.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [] 18:41:25 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:46:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24816 /trunk/src/lang (12 files in 2 dirs) (2012-12-10 18:46:25 UTC) 18:46:44 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:45 <DorpsGek> basque - 50 changes by lutxiketa 18:46:46 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 2 changes by KorneySan 18:46:47 <DorpsGek> dutch - 22 changes by habell 18:46:48 <DorpsGek> greek - 118 changes by Evropi 18:46:49 <DorpsGek> italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 18:46:50 <DorpsGek> malay - 17 changes by richz 18:46:51 <DorpsGek> maltese - 24 changes by Drinu276 18:46:52 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 8 changes by lenhoy 18:46:53 <DorpsGek> polish - 36 changes by wojteks86 18:46:54 <DorpsGek> russian - 2 changes by KorneySan 18:46:55 <DorpsGek> swedish - 6 changes by Joel_A 18:46:56 <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 70 changes by myquartz 18:52:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:53:56 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:55:03 <Alberth> o/ 18:58:41 <frosch123> hai albert :) 18:58:53 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.205.208.115] has joined #openttd 19:06:58 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.205.208.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:44 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:07 <NGC3982> Jesus christ. 19:11:53 <NGC3982> Generating 2048^2 with "many" canals on a P4. 19:12:27 <NGC3982> My computer will spontaniosly turn into a quantum Boltzman brain before this is complete. 19:12:29 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:30 <Alberth> do you ever fill such an amount of space? 19:17:56 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:41 <NGC3982> It have occured once or twice that a 2048^2 map feels "complete". 19:18:56 <NGC3982> As in the sence where "complete" means "I have no idea what's going on anymore." 19:26:42 <Alberth> :) 19:28:03 <Alberth> I am mostly still struggling in understanding why people play at such large maps 19:29:46 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:33:10 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:36 <Terkhen> hello 19:36:55 <Alberth> hello Terkhen 19:44:20 *** roadt__ [~roadt@223.240.104.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:38 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 <drac_boy> hi 19:48:37 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:52:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:52:48 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:53:54 <Alberth> \o 19:53:56 <drac_boy> hi wolf 19:54:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:54:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:55 *** Alver [~alver@vanalboom.org] has left #openttd [] 20:01:13 <andythenorth> lo 20:06:56 <Wolf01> I developed an addiction to gnomoria :( :) :( 20:07:38 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e4cb:9945:988c:dd02] has joined #openttd 20:09:20 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5DC679A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:28 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:29 <andythenorth> I think there are tablets for it 20:09:34 *** Supercheese_ [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 20:11:28 *** Sturmi2 [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:17 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC679A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:18 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:24 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:13:18 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:44 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:14:23 <Alberth> hi andy 20:15:07 <Alberth> tablets with tiles, if you use windows 8 20:15:23 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:12 <Wolf01> I already try to play it on my tablet, but it has some strange behavior with touch, seem like everything needs to be hovered before accepting the click event 20:16:24 <Wolf01> OTTD instead is really well playable 20:18:44 *** Supercheese_ [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:12 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 20:47:18 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@000123fe.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20:50:18 <andythenorth> quiet 20:53:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:31 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.40.0.20] has joined #openttd 20:55:42 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@000123fe.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:10 <Alberth> wiebabiedoeda 20:58:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:00:21 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 21:03:43 <andythenorth> exactly 21:08:26 <Alberth> good night 21:09:14 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:32:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:33:22 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:03 *** brambles [~xymox@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 21:44:09 <V453000> is my understanding correct that if I set curve_speed_multiplier in a railtype to 2, I get normal rail (88kmh for CL1), 3 = monorail (132kmh for CL1), 4 = maglev (177 for CL1) ... does that mean 1 should make half the speed of normal rail -> 44 km/h for 1 half-tile long curves? 21:51:03 <V453000> I seem to be getting the same as monorail currently :s with 1 21:54:00 <V453000> ah 0 does the rail :( so I guess I cant have the base speeds 21:55:59 <V453000> being a multiplier I expected the 1 to multiply the base speeds ... guess not :( 22:00:51 *** brambles [~xymox@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:04 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 22:01:47 <V453000> anyone knowledgeful like Eddi|zuHause2 ? :) 22:06:22 <MNIM> I am knowledgeable. 22:06:31 <MNIM> though probably not in the area you need to know. 22:07:47 <V453000> I sort of smell that this wont be solvable anyway :( 22:08:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:08:05 <V453000> as 0 value gives a multiplier of 2, I dont think I can reach a multiplier of 1 22:14:25 *** Sturmi2 [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi2] 22:14:49 * NGC3982 arcade machine is taking form. 22:20:59 <frosch123> night 22:21:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00bc5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:03 <V453000> ah it just isnt written in NML documentation ... nfo says it 22:24:55 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:30:07 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-15-85.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:16 <Wolf01> 'night 22:53:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:01:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B384.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:40 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:25 *** tycoondemon2 [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-189.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:35 *** efess [~Efess@ool-18bfeb53.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:27 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []