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00:01:53 <Supercheese> I can probably get away with 8bpp 00:05:19 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04c722.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD5248.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5248.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:26:39 <Supercheese> If I only provide 1x and 4x zoom sprites, which are used for 2x zoom? 00:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea 00:44:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> http://42.holz.nu/5e59e.png 00:55:39 <Supercheese> That must have been premeditated 00:56:36 <Supercheese> "is the time warp a keyframe I should know of?" <- sounds too much like a troll question 00:58:58 <Superuser> hahahaha 00:59:55 <Supercheese> http://www.space.com/19368-asteroid-mining-deep-space-industries.html 01:00:00 <Supercheese> Asteroid mining, really? 01:00:12 <Supercheese> I fail to see the practicality of that... 01:01:57 <Pinkbeast> 1) Attract venture capital from people who don't realise how expensive delta-v is 01:02:02 <Pinkbeast> 2) pay self large salary 01:02:07 <Pinkbeast> 3) ... profit 01:02:15 <Supercheese> :S 01:06:34 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:07:25 <Superuser> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/el_GR/STR_VEHICLE_INFO_NO_CAPACITY <-- what is {STRING} in this? 01:08:30 *** Pikka [~sammich@d58-106-42-20.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:45 <Supercheese> That link is not viewable to non-translators 01:11:10 <Superuser> okay 01:11:11 <Superuser> {BLACK}Capacity: {LTBLUE}None{STRING} 01:11:18 <Superuser> String name in the code: STR_VEHICLE_INFO_NO_CAPACITY 01:13:16 <Supercheese> cargo subtype, perhaps 01:13:40 <Supercheese> e.g. Capacity: X passengers (Airliner) 01:13:47 <Supercheese> as opposed to X passengers (Combi) 01:13:52 <Superuser> don't you think there should be a space between None and {STRING} 01:14:14 <Supercheese> oh wait, no capacity 01:14:16 <Supercheese> I dunno 01:14:44 <Supercheese> Capacity: None (Gear ratio x:y) 01:14:45 <Superuser> please find out 01:14:49 <Superuser> wat 01:14:51 <Supercheese> maybe 01:14:53 <Supercheese> I dunno 01:15:22 <Supercheese> NARS still uses a regearing cargo, but if it is recoded to not use it, that may be how it would look; this is all conjecture 01:15:59 <Supercheese> I am not a dev 01:16:18 <Superuser> oh okay 01:16:23 <Superuser> should I highlight a developer's name 01:17:00 <Superuser> well, they're idling here so clearly they are open for questioning. peter1138! 01:17:54 <Supercheese> Yes, it is subtype 01:18:03 <Supercheese> Line 248: train_gui.cpp 01:18:22 <Supercheese> well, 247-248: SetDParam(0, item->subtype); 01:18:23 <Supercheese> str = STR_VEHICLE_INFO_NO_CAPACITY; 01:18:43 <Supercheese> You may be right about a space being necessary 01:18:59 <Supercheese> lemme throw a test grf together 01:19:42 <Superuser> you can comprehend C++... and you are NOT a developer? o_O 01:19:47 <Supercheese> correct 01:20:14 <Superuser> anything beyond simple scripts (preferably python or ruby, shell too) baffles me :( 01:20:51 <Superuser> guess I've been spoilt by Ruby, now I can't get into ugly language like cpp 01:21:48 <Supercheese> Hmm, perhaps different vehicle types (RV, train, etc) are handled differently 01:23:21 <Supercheese> I don't have any train grfs, bah 01:24:14 <Superuser> so do you know what the {STRING} is...? 01:24:26 <Supercheese> Pretty sure, I'm testing to make sure 01:26:47 <Supercheese> Ok, confirmed, there needs to be a space there 01:27:04 <Supercheese> {STRING} turns into the Cargo subtype, as I suspected 01:33:03 <Supercheese> C++ is vastly easier to comprehend than NFO... 01:36:02 <Superuser> hmm 01:36:27 <Superuser> I think there should be a space between 'None' and {STRING}, what do you think Supercheese? Should I file a bug for this 01:37:02 <Supercheese> There should indeed be a space there, as I confirmed 01:37:35 <Supercheese> if you have webtranslator access for English, feel free to change it there 01:37:54 <Supercheese> otherwise, just tell a dev and they'll fix it, I don't quite think it warrants an official bug report 01:41:14 <Superuser> oh I file bug reports for everything. It's part of the project's history (I'm an amateur historian and I believe in recording anything and everything) 01:41:35 <Supercheese> Well, it is technically a bug, you could file one 01:41:36 <Superuser> also nope, but I wish I were granted access for English :( 3 strings have been changed already. 01:41:39 <Superuser> more actually 01:41:42 <Supercheese> "Missing space in STR_BLAHBLAH" 01:41:57 <Superuser> note that FlySpray is an ISSUE tracker :P not just bugs 01:42:16 <Superuser> just things that fuck pedantic people like me off in general 01:44:24 <Supercheese> That string is valid only for Trains with cargo capacity of zero but a valid cargo subtype, from what I've found 01:44:44 <Superuser> egg-celent http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5447 01:45:09 <Superuser> 9 tasks opened, 8 of which concern faults in English strings 01:45:13 <Superuser> feels good man 01:49:02 <Supercheese> I added my supporting evidence to http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5447 01:51:52 <Supercheese> Hmmmm 01:51:59 <Supercheese> Other places seem to not have a space... 01:52:56 <Supercheese> STR_VEHICLE_INFO_CAPACITY for example 02:02:49 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:01 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9ccb:f419:98b8:ab81] has joined #openttd 02:04:30 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:10 *** Maedhros_ [~maedhros@146.90.182.169] has joined #openttd 02:15:19 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-178-142-077-212.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:19:45 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@198.159.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:32:51 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 03:06:09 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 03:30:04 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@31.185.218.17] has joined #openttd 03:35:44 *** Maedhros_ [~maedhros@146.90.182.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:34 *** Maedhros_ [~maedhros@87.114.248.121] has joined #openttd 03:52:39 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@31.185.218.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:27 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@87.112.178.29] has joined #openttd 04:06:09 *** Maedhros_ [~maedhros@87.114.248.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:29 *** fixi [~fixi@ns1.hgrg.info] has joined #openttd 04:20:32 <fixi> hey folks 04:20:55 <fixi> .t 04:21:32 <fixi> anyone online? 04:28:55 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:54:50 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.212] has joined #openttd 04:56:30 <Supercheese> fixi: I am now 04:56:42 <Supercheese> do you have a question, perhaps? 05:27:20 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 05:40:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 05:40:49 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 05:42:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 05:43:40 <ccfreak2k> So what's the consensus on the openttd app in the google play store these days? 05:46:13 <Nat_aS> phones don't have Ctrl keys 05:46:28 <Nat_aS> so there is no way to play OTTD on an android device 05:46:29 <Nat_aS> :p 05:54:07 <ccfreak2k> Mine does. 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5248.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4695.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:06:18 <Rubidium> I wouldn't really care, as long as we don't get the whining about the buttons being to small or OpenTTD not being properly made for mobile phones/tablets 06:13:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:13:20 <fixi> hey 06:13:24 <fixi> so 06:13:38 <fixi> i was just about to start my very first openttd server 06:13:42 <fixi> for personal use 06:13:47 <fixi> on a 128MB linux vps 06:14:00 <fixi> i didnt know if its going to be possible 06:14:05 <fixi> but it seems all ok 06:14:07 <fixi> for now 06:14:08 <fixi> :) 06:14:38 <fixi> sorry its a 256M one 06:14:41 <fixi> whatever 06:21:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 06:26:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:57:05 *** Maedhros_ [~maedhros@87.114.158.13] has joined #openttd 07:02:40 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@87.112.178.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:32 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@87.112.181.52] has joined #openttd 07:08:30 *** Maedhros_ [~maedhros@87.114.158.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:09:00 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:14:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CBDD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:01 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:18:33 *** fixi [~fixi@ns1.hgrg.info] has left #openttd [:)] 07:25:21 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:26:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:27:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 07:39:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 07:49:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CBDD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:30:24 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:31:13 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:39 <jamesgo> How are the version strings for Cargodist releases generated? For instance, gbc6b29cd-cd. Are they something to do with Git commit ids? 08:36:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 08:36:43 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:38:16 <peter1138> yes 08:40:04 <Supercheese> Hmm, I'm trying to find why ships whose max speed is set above 88 via callback still can't exceed 88 mph in actual velocity 08:40:21 <Supercheese> the displayed speed increpents past, but the actual on-screen speed resets to zero 08:40:47 <Supercheese> increments* 08:41:21 <Supercheese> I'm wondering if it has something to do with "(byte)spd;" 08:41:46 <Supercheese> some kind of inline typecasting? 08:42:24 <FLHerne> Wasn't there moaning about that in the Ekranoplan thread? 08:42:42 <Supercheese> I'm trying to actually find the cause, rather than moaning :P 08:42:57 <Supercheese> the ShipAccelerate function in ship_cmd.cpp seems a likely candidate 08:43:15 <jamesgo> peter1138: Thanks, do you know the exact format? Eight characters in the version string change with each release, but commit ids are usually seven characters 08:44:23 <peter1138> git ids are sha1 hashes 08:44:37 <peter1138> 40 characters 08:44:46 <peter1138> the first 8 are used 08:45:29 <peter1138> Supercheese, no, that's part of the algorithm 08:46:23 <Supercheese> Well, I'm wondering if there's anything in here that causes the strange reset-when-88mph-reached behavior: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2069/ 08:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: no, that just decides whether the vehicle should advance one step 08:48:50 <jamesgo> peter1138: Ah, I see. Thanks for your help 08:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: what you see is time machine kicking in at 88mph :p 08:50:09 <Supercheese> -_- 08:50:16 <peter1138> actually 88mph or 80mph? 08:51:22 <peter1138> 80mph is represented by 256. 88mph is between 281..282 08:51:49 <Supercheese> Hmm, actually the ship freaks out at various speeds 08:52:28 <Supercheese> I've set a ship speed to 300 mph via callback 08:53:01 <Supercheese> it often resets to 0mph when it hits 80*n mph 08:53:06 <Supercheese> but sometimes makes it past 08:53:31 <Supercheese> like now, it just made it to 100-ish mph 08:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: probably it shouldn't even allow to set this kind of speed 08:54:38 <Supercheese> when it changes direction, it also seems to freak out 08:55:11 <peter1138> well max_speed is 16 bits for ships 08:55:21 <peter1138> although i don't think that's original 08:55:35 *** TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:09 <Supercheese> the on-screen number always increments properly 08:56:16 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:21 <Supercheese> but the actual speed, not so much 08:56:22 <peter1138> oh well thanks for saying so 08:57:17 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:57:20 <peter1138> reason is the ship controller doesn't handle multiple movements per tick 08:57:29 <peter1138> so it can't go above 255 08:57:34 <peter1138> which is just below 80 mp 08:57:35 <peter1138> *mph 08:57:46 <peter1138> but you got fixated on 88mph :p 08:57:50 <Supercheese> yeah >_> 08:58:16 <Supercheese> which file should I have looked at, then? 08:58:19 <TexasPete> lol he wanted to time travel 09:03:02 <dihedral> greetings 09:09:11 <Supercheese> Hmm, the ShipController function confuses me, I am insufficiently familiar with the code 09:11:53 <peter1138> how do you think you'll get familiar with it? 09:12:03 <Supercheese> I'm working on that right now 09:12:05 <Supercheese> :D 09:16:50 <Supercheese> Hmm, I don't understand some of these operators, bitwise stuff it seems 09:19:06 <Supercheese> They seem simple enough, I've just never encountered them before 09:28:11 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-113-33.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:30:37 <Supercheese> anyway, sleep time 09:31:15 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has left #openttd [] 09:32:41 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-113-33.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:23 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 10:15:41 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:22 <NGC3982> Morning. 10:37:52 <TexasPete> morning 10:49:24 <peter1138> hmm, transfer/no load + refit? 10:52:03 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:57 *** Celestar_ is now known as Celestar 10:53:04 <Celestar> foobarbaz? 10:56:00 <peter1138> apprently a remote X11 app on a laggy ssh connection can make the xserver lag :S 11:01:29 <peter1138> looks like it's a restriction enforced in the ui only 11:01:50 <peter1138> setting no load forced no refit 11:01:55 <peter1138> and the ui will represent that 11:02:08 <peter1138> but if it's laggy or something in the meantime, you can change the refit 11:02:17 <peter1138> cos that doesn't check for no load 11:05:45 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/fs5446.diff 11:05:59 <peter1138> (doesn't fix the savegame mind you) 11:35:00 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:54:04 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #openttd 12:32:16 <peter1138> exciting 12:54:45 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has joined #openttd 13:07:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:17 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=64107 13:10:18 <peter1138> hehe 13:11:56 *** TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:59 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:17:26 <peter1138> hi 13:20:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:25:15 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-49-3.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> http://i.imgur.com/PfJ6kbA.jpg 13:32:29 <peter1138> yup, that needed photo effects 13:38:36 <NGC3982> Hah. 13:38:57 <NGC3982> I can't figure out what's funnier, the Instagram of a tweet screenshot, or the actual quote. 13:41:05 <peter1138> the joke's pretty poor 13:41:42 <NGC3982> As is my ambition of todays training 13:41:57 <NGC3982> An hour of running, 200+200kcal of cross-trainer. I do not look forward to it 13:42:06 <NGC3982> I want to stay home, and continue ruining my server game. 13:46:13 <peter1138> http://imgur.com/gallery/luAuD 13:52:11 <NGC3982> I hope nobody was injured. 13:53:08 <NGC3982> 21 lightly injured, and no deaths. 13:53:22 <Pinkbeast> Coo, how on Earth did they manage to overturn that crane? 13:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm getting numbers 13 to 15 13:54:28 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: yes, http://imgur.com/gallery/j1xZ5 - "Of 21 injured on the scene only 15 were taken to the nearest hospital, all of them with minor injuries and discharged this morning." 13:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: must have been lost in translation 13:55:16 <NGC3982> Did this happend yesterday? 13:55:32 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Was Bill Murray on the train? 13:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i never actually watched that movie 13:56:26 <NGC3982> I love it. 13:56:50 <NGC3982> Scarlett Johanssons utopian behind, and Murray's lack of interest in everything. 13:57:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:58:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:04:12 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:05:07 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:23:21 *** Anna30F [Anna30F@lou71-1-88-184-208-227.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:56 <peter1138> pom te pom 14:24:05 <dihedral> hello 14:24:48 <Anna30F> hello 14:27:32 <Anna30F> join me, it's free => http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g655764 14:27:59 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:29:50 *** Anna30F [Anna30F@lou71-1-88-184-208-227.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [autokilled: Please do not spam. Contact support@oftc.net with questions. (2013-01-23 14:29:50)] 14:30:04 <Stimrol> Hello, I have been trying to start Autopilot from crontab after I update the server, but I always get this error --> : spawn id exp6 not open... 14:32:13 <Stimrol> This seams to have something to do with no user, but I am running the crontab as the user who runs it normally. But if I echo $USER it is blank and $PATH includes path for the program running tcl scripts. The script I run from crontab is BASH script calling TLC script if that says something 14:32:37 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 14:43:16 <Belugas> and from the cold mouth of freezing hell, I salute you all 14:47:18 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has joined #openttd 14:47:42 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:48:07 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.212] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:58 <peter1138> Belugas, :D 14:56:54 <dihedral> Stimrol, looks more like the thing wants a tty 14:57:17 <Belugas> hi peter1138 :) 14:57:25 <dihedral> autopilot is not desinged to run outside a terminal 14:57:36 <dihedral> your best move is to use it with something like screen 15:13:53 <Stimrol> Okey that is the case, was beginning to think that 15:16:02 <Stimrol> so all the servers useing somekind of middle way to be able to have commands and irc are just manual run from terminal screen, no autorun 15:16:20 <Stimrol> thanks for the hehlp dihedral 15:16:50 <dihedral> Stimrol, not quite 15:17:06 <dihedral> screen is a command, get familiar with it ;-) 15:17:26 <Pinkbeast> Except get familiar with tmux instead 15:17:52 <dihedral> Pinkbeast, not helpful ;-) 15:17:53 <Stimrol> yes I have heard of screen, bu never tryed it. My friend runs minecraft server on it :) 15:18:21 <dihedral> you can make a bash script which will create a screen session and automatically start autopilot in that 15:18:35 <Pinkbeast> Yes, helpful - no-one should start using screen today, tmux is strictly better. 15:18:43 <Pinkbeast> It's like using "more". 15:18:53 <dihedral> and if you feel fancy (and to keep Pinkbeast happy and quite) you can look at alternatives to screen ;-) 15:19:23 <Stimrol> I always user more :) 15:20:33 <Pinkbeast> Stimrol: but would you tell someone to use "more", or "less"? 15:20:53 <Stimrol> then another small thing, isn't autopilot the most used of them 15:21:30 <michi_cc> à 15:21:45 <peter1138> Ω 15:21:47 <Stimrol> yes I would maybe tell someone to user more to look at some log file 15:22:00 <michi_cc> Note to self: don't drop things on the keyboard ;) 15:22:24 <Stimrol> specially for fluid 15:22:27 <Stimrol> :) 15:24:20 <Stimrol> history | more that is also my friend 15:24:24 <Pinkbeast> Fine, then, use screen and don't complain when UTF-8 fails miserably. :-) 15:25:01 <Stimrol> but what instead of more 15:25:04 <dihedral> Pinkbeast, can you please play hide and go fuck yourself? 15:25:08 <dihedral> you are quite annoying 15:25:31 <Pinkbeast> What the devil's your problem? 15:25:41 <dihedral> and if you insist in being annoying, i'll happily welcome another stupid nick to my local ignore list ;-) 15:26:02 <Pinkbeast> Be my guest. 15:27:16 <Stimrol> did not trouble my, think this was okay discussion, good to also know about tmux and dislike of more :D 15:27:59 <Pinkbeast> Stimrol: well, I guess I can explain to you, at least. You might use "more" out of habit, but "less" is just better - so I would expect you to recommend "less" to other people. 15:28:35 <Pinkbeast> And likewise I _do_ use "screen" out of habit, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, because "tmux" is pretty much like it except eg it handles Unicode well. 15:29:17 <Stimrol> yes probably true, I havent got used to using less, but sometimes do, but more I use much more. But it is true it is just out of habbit 15:29:21 <dihedral> thing is that 'better' is no valid reason 15:29:30 <Pinkbeast> I thought you'd ignored me? 15:29:49 <dihedral> unless you can argue aside of personal preference 15:30:01 <Pinkbeast> Sure, and it's not a bad habit to have, but I'd always recommend something that works better to someone else. 15:30:03 <dihedral> i said "if you insist in being annoying" ;-) 15:30:25 <Pinkbeast> It's not a personal preference to have non-ASCII characters handled correctly! 15:30:27 <dihedral> again "works better" has no real value 15:30:44 <Stimrol> this is not that heated that it should be the cause of ignore list I think. But if utf8 is a problem for screen then I understand it, I need utf8 most of the time 15:31:24 <Pinkbeast> So perhaps what you meant is "I don't know about tmux, could you explain why you think it is better", rather than "fuck yourself"? 15:31:37 <blathijs> screen can use utf8 just as well, no problems here (but I've also heard people say that tmux is the new screen, so might as well start using that) 15:31:58 <dihedral> now that is a statement ;-) 15:32:03 <Pinkbeast> blathijs: It certainly can be made to work, but it's full of pitfalls. 15:32:15 <dihedral> i've never had issues with screen 15:32:26 <__ln__> screen supports a subset of unicode. admittedly a subset that is sufficient for almost everybody at least in western world. 15:32:28 <Stimrol> And for me I am thankfull for this help, one pointing to screen and other to tmux and that is good to have a choose and find what fits better for my uses 15:33:48 <Stimrol> I am a peacekeeper hehe 15:34:45 <dihedral> Pinkbeast, jumping in with 'tmux is better' does not help - hence 'not helpful' - a reference to 'screen can cause problems with utf8 - a replacement for screen is tmux and you might want to look into that instead' is helpful 15:34:48 <blathijs> Pinkbeast: Dunno, I think that if you set up a proper utf-8 locale, it works out of the box 15:35:43 <Pinkbeast> dihedral: Well, yes, it does; it tells Stimrol what they need to know. If you happen to be ill-informed, you can ask. 15:36:12 <Pinkbeast> Put it this way, I'll say "less is better than more" without automatically appending a description of why. 15:36:57 <Stimrol> is it easy to let bash script run something in this or that window in screen or tmux, maybe something mr google will explain easily for me 15:37:07 <dihedral> i want people to have to page through a long service agreement when installing software, what would you use? i hear you always say less is better? 15:37:18 <dihedral> just as an example 15:37:28 <Stimrol> hehe 15:37:42 <Pinkbeast> Both screen and tmux have a "run this command on startup" argument 15:38:19 <Pinkbeast> A asks that question. B says "use more". C says "less is better than more". C has told A what they need to know. If B happens to be ignorant of less, they can ask C, or not. 15:43:29 <Stimrol> I had been trying to have nightly server for test, and update 20:00 GMT each night and if there is new build then, then restart autopilot, and you say that is possible with crontab and both screen and tmux. Because I am not running it on startup every time in tmux and screen. 15:45:03 <dihedral> Pinkbeast, continuing with 'less is better' without supplying any information is just silly, sorry for that. and discussing this after Stimrol is happy and has enough information is just a waste of more time. 15:45:23 <Pinkbeast> If you feel that way you are of course at liberty to stop discussing it. 15:46:04 <glx> dihedral: less is better because it can go backward ;) 15:46:12 <dihedral> hehe 15:46:29 <Stimrol> but anyway thanks for the help all of you, probably not the last time :) 15:46:30 <Pinkbeast> But, no, C is not obliged to anticipate B's ignorance. 15:46:35 <glx> that's the real information 15:46:52 <Pinkbeast> Stimrol: tmux -c shell-command ; dunno the screen-ism off the top of my head. By the way. 15:50:07 <dihedral> do you actually have a hard time at work some times or do you still go to school? 15:50:27 <dihedral> i am just curious 15:50:56 <Pinkbeast> I'm not really interesting in engaging with your nerd-rage. 15:51:07 <dihedral> lol 15:51:09 <dihedral> cute 16:00:19 <peter1138> stupid evolution 16:00:24 <peter1138> (the email client) 16:00:48 <peter1138> seems i have to quit and restart to make account settings changes actually apply :S 16:01:20 <Stimrol> I was happy when ubuntu started using thunderbird as default instead of evolution 16:01:44 <peter1138> evolution is way nicer than thunderbird 16:04:15 <dihedral> peter1138, it's "better" ;-) 16:04:19 <Stimrol> I could not use the address book in evolution because it presumes every country have "lastname,firstname" but my country never have it that way. It is the first thing I remember why I disliked it 16:11:12 <Pinkbeast> http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ 16:12:45 <peter1138> it doesn't force lastname, firstname for me 16:15:34 <Stimrol> I dont remember how it was, some years ago. But I think I could not enter names as first name last name, and I had to select for each and evry address I added that I would like to file it as Full name. Then at that time, it always stored all the addresses as lastname, firstname in ubuntu one 16:23:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:35:23 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:31 <Stimrol> about tmux, I run /usr/bin/tmux new-session -d ./autopilot.tcl .... and I see it is running, but can I switch to the session and see it or you control it through rcon commands? 16:39:57 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-054-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:59 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:41:12 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:34 <Pinkbeast> What does "tmux attach" do? 16:46:30 <Pinkbeast> -d says "detach" so I would expect attach to give it back to you. 16:52:44 *** dots [~dots@ti0014a380-dhcp0559.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:55:06 *** dots is now known as dots|ScenEdit 16:56:46 <Stimrol> Pinkbeast, that worked, that opened the right session 16:58:09 <Pinkbeast> When you have multiple tmux sessions you may need -t name to sort them out 16:59:15 <Stimrol> okey 17:01:38 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58 17:02:54 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:03:46 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't use "more" or "less", i just use a terminal with a large buffer 17:12:59 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:15:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:17:00 <Terkhen> hello 17:20:43 <Stimrol> thanks Pinkbeast and dihedral I now have this working as intended :) 17:20:59 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:25 <peter1138> hmm, ought to finish this waypoint restriction patch before it gets obsolete again 17:28:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CBDD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:29:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:30:31 <NGC3982> Evening. 17:31:23 <NGC3982> If i build roads adjacent to a town, will that in any way help town growth? 17:31:34 <Pinkbeast> I don't believe so. 17:32:46 <NGC3982> For instance, http://i.imgur.com/e0RXjOe.png and http://i.imgur.com/qErouZf.png 17:33:19 <Pinkbeast> I don't believe that serves any purpose. ICBW. 17:34:38 <NGC3982> Heh. 17:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: it may slightly improve town growth 17:37:06 <Pinkbeast> Oh, because it considers "build a road or a building", "can't build a road"? 17:37:27 <NGC3982> That was my impression 17:45:26 <FLHerne> peter1138: Waypoint restriction patch? TTDPish? 17:48:07 <peter1138> dunno, i don't play ttdpatch 17:48:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f640a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:37 <peter1138> NGC3982, yes it will 17:48:51 <peter1138> NGC3982, it makes it more like to build a house than a road 17:49:09 <NGC3982> So, something like Pinkbeast said? 17:49:26 <NGC3982> "Build a road ..oh, wait. Already there. *House*." 17:49:43 <Pinkbeast> Mind you, I don't want too much town growth. Stay nice and small, chaps, until I've built you a Hauptbahnhof 17:57:30 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-054-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:45 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:29 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:03:38 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 18:05:31 <NGC3982> My god. Trains that share orders, does not share Service intervals, right? 18:06:06 <Pinkbeast> But if you clone a lot of trains and send them out together, they'll tend to want servicing together... 18:08:03 <frosch123> servicing intervals are about the biggest mess in ottd :p 18:08:12 <peter1138> i have a patch for service intervals... 18:08:31 <NGC3982> I tried it out, and it's not shared. 18:08:34 <Pinkbeast> To say nothing of vehicles wanting servicing having such a talent for picking wildly inappropriate depots :-/ 18:08:35 <NGC3982> And that's a good thing 18:08:37 <NGC3982> For me, right now. 18:08:48 <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: Indeed.. 18:09:33 <NGC3982> I have never used anything but default service intervals, and i did actually think about it right now. In my current game, i'm running with breakdowns, and i solved it by putting depot orders on all of the shared trains. 18:09:42 <NGC3982> I could aswell turn servicing off. 18:15:04 <peter1138> hmm, should a fix for FS#5446 fix possibly-broken savegames? 18:15:47 <frosch123> no, just let them sell the vehicle 18:16:05 <peter1138> true 18:17:22 <peter1138> i guess i'd have to patch the ui to let me try to apply the command to see if it's fixed :p 18:25:50 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:26:09 <Alberth> moin 18:32:34 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r24936 trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp (2013-01-23 18:33:28 UTC) 18:33:35 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5446]: Don't allow order refit to be set for no-load orders. 18:43:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:43:20 <Wolf01> o/ 18:43:49 <Alberth> \o 18:43:59 <NGC3982> Personal thoughts with Pax trains: Many short ones, or few long ones? 18:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:44:44 <Wolf01> ahah 18:45:03 <Alberth> many, no matter how long 18:45:07 <Wolf01> I think green is better 18:45:19 <Alberth> oh, good point 18:45:41 <Alberth> pax like green 18:45:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24937 /trunk/src/lang (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-01-23 18:45:31 UTC) 18:45:44 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> greek - 38 changes by Evropi 18:45:46 <DorpsGek> korean - 1 changes by telk5093 18:45:47 <DorpsGek> tamil - 1 changes by aswn 18:45:48 <DorpsGek> turkish - 10 changes by magnum06 18:45:49 <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi 18:47:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:49:41 *** dots|ScenEdit [~dots@ti0014a380-dhcp0559.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:52 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 18:51:37 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: :D 18:55:25 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... "dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented" 18:57:15 <peter1138> it's not 18:57:22 <peter1138> and never will be 18:57:23 <peter1138> so... 18:57:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B788.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:41 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:22:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:58 * peter1138 mumbles at things that check the return value of DoCommandP 19:32:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:39:13 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:40:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:42:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 19:43:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:38 <andythenorth> hi 19:45:52 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24938 /trunk/src (62 files in 3 dirs) (2013-01-23 19:45:47 UTC) 19:45:53 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5447-ish]: Never put a space between cargo name and subtype. 19:48:17 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-054-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 19:52:57 *** chester_ [~chester@95-27-0-194.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:55:34 <Alberth> ih 19:59:27 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-172-144-197.range86-172.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r24939 /trunk/src (autoreplace_cmd.cpp autoreplace_gui.cpp) (2013-01-23 20:00:00 UTC) 20:00:07 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Redraw autoreplace window properly in network games. 20:00:35 <NGC3982> My life just gave me a what we call "i-landsproblem". 20:00:51 <NGC3982> Too much stuff on map, too few transistors in CPU. 20:09:23 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:20 <LSky`> sup everyone, looking for someone who can compile OpenTTD for my server, needs a few patches, nothing extraordinary 20:12:28 <__ln__> 1. download source, 2. apply patches, 3. compile, 4. profit 20:12:56 <Alberth> running a patched server is not going to work, in general 20:13:30 <Alberth> since your clients are going to need to use the exact same version 20:13:34 <LSky`> Luckily 20:13:39 <LSky`> I have an established community 20:13:44 <LSky`> Who all download modded clients 20:13:49 <LSky`> So that part is covered 20:14:03 <LSky`> Its just that the person who used to compile the clients and server for me, hasnt been around 20:14:59 <peter1138> it's not particularly hard 20:15:17 <andythenorth> I can manage it 20:15:19 <andythenorth> on OS X 20:15:24 <andythenorth> which is made for bubble-heads 20:15:31 <Alberth> assuming your patches apply cleanly :p 20:15:34 <LSky`> So Ive been told, I tried this myself but the amount of programs one has to download, an the fact that I dont have OSX or linux... 20:15:44 <LSky`> Theyre pretty mainstream patches 20:15:53 <LSky`> But I just want to add one to what we use now 20:16:15 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:22 <peter1138> so you're running the server on a windows machine? yuck :p 20:16:30 <LSky`> No 20:16:47 <LSky`> The server is linux, we need Windows compiles for the clients 20:20:25 <LSky`> Anyway, if anyone can spare some time and can help me with this, please let me know/send a PM or whatever. Ill be around 20:20:55 <NGC3982> peter1138: Running a dedicated OpenTTD server in Windows is beyond great. 20:21:42 <NGC3982> The only thing lacking is SSH connectivity, for stuff that's non-rcon-able. 20:22:01 <peter1138> well you can handle that with cygwin 20:23:34 *** wsirc_1824705 [~wsirc_182@www.nowhere-else.org] has joined #openttd 20:24:32 <Zuu> NGC3982: According to wikipedia, the translation of "i-landsproblem" is "first world problem", though I have no idea if there are shades of differences between the english and swedish term. 20:27:18 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e042.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i've heard that term in german 20:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> although there is "Luxusproblem", which may mean something similar, or not... 20:27:54 <andythenorth> semantics is a first world problem :P 20:27:57 <andythenorth> (not really) 20:28:07 <NGC3982> Zuu: The usage in Swedish does mean just that, but with a great deal of sarcasm. 20:28:10 <NGC3982> It's a hipster thing. 20:28:29 <peter1138> smelled of apples 20:29:08 <NGC3982> As far as i know, the Swedish scetch TV-show "Hipp! Hipp!" used it to show the meta-irony of how the expression is used. 20:30:00 *** wsirc_1824705 [~wsirc_182@www.nowhere-else.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:07 <Zuu> NGC3982: yes, it was featured in Hipp! Hipp!. 20:31:54 <NGC3982> And then, i guess, for some reason - I see a great deal of difference in a simple first world problem, and the usage of "dagens i-landsproblem". 20:32:07 <andythenorth> hrm 20:32:08 <andythenorth> hax 20:32:25 <NGC3982> Why do i get the feeling i make this channel filthy with OT every evening? 20:34:02 <__ln__> This channel exists for off-topicness. 20:34:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:57 <andythenorth> so does your mum 20:34:58 <andythenorth> eh? 20:35:03 * andythenorth had a teenage moment there 20:35:07 <andythenorth> let's move on 20:35:37 <andythenorth> peter1138 no-one played our game much recently :P 20:35:39 <andythenorth> still 2012 20:35:42 <peter1138> i did a bit 20:35:50 <andythenorth> and flherne is killing us 20:36:01 <andythenorth> my bauxite 747s make no money :( 20:41:14 <__ln__> NGC3982: Were you at some point making TTD+Tron-style music? 20:41:51 <NGC3982> __ln__: Indeed i was. 20:42:01 <__ln__> Great success? 20:42:44 <NGC3982> Well, it was actually in two parts. The first try was actual Transport Tycoon music in Tron style. The second attempt was Tron-ish music, just ..fitting enough. 20:43:07 <NGC3982> TT music is very jiggly and slapdash, Tron music is not. 20:43:52 <NGC3982> A new attempt would be fun. 20:45:45 <__ln__> I'd be interested to hear such combination. 20:46:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B788.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B788.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:03 <__ln__> NGC3982: What do you think, was Tron Legacy soundtrack made by Daft Punk alone, or did they get guidance from Hans Zimmer? 21:05:44 <NGC3982> The music was made by Hanz Zimmer, and he instructed Thomas and Guy-Manuel. 21:06:17 <NGC3982> Mr. Zimmer is more then well involved in electronic music composition. 21:07:13 <peter1138> hmm, i need to emulate network lag 21:07:26 <peter1138> preferably in single player :p 21:10:02 <__ln__> NGC3982: I don't think mr. Zimmer is officially listed as the composer anywhere? 21:12:58 <frosch123> peter1138: just add a sleep in the server command receiver 21:13:04 <frosch123> then start the server locally 21:17:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:21 <peter1138> hmmm 21:20:55 <NGC3982> __ln__: I have no idea. 21:21:58 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:21:59 <peter1138> i added a sleep in ReceiveCommand 21:22:08 <NGC3982> Simply listening to it should make sufficient evidence of him being the prior composer 21:22:09 <peter1138> NetworkGameSocketHandler::ReceiveCommand() 21:22:22 <NGC3982> It's not really Daft Punk music 21:22:36 <peter1138> however that actually makes the client lock up for the sleep duration... 21:22:39 <NGC3982> Though, it's not really important. They made it together, and i like it. 21:22:39 <NGC3982> :) 21:22:49 <peter1138> hmm, of course 21:23:14 <peter1138> that's right, both client & server receive :p 21:23:28 <NGC3982> __ln__: And, he is too listed. His company is, apparently. 21:24:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A38B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:28:22 <__ln__> Okay then. 21:30:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CBDD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:25 <NGC3982> He's a bloody genious. 21:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> does Hans Zimmer even compose anything himself anymore? i think he has some kind of "composing manufacture", like rembrandt had a painting manufacture, where he employed people to paint in his style 21:32:37 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/orderdirty.diff < remove pointless dirties 21:33:25 <__ln__> Good question. 21:33:59 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Well, i would say.. Yes. The more experimental (non-movie) music seems to be nothing but him. Although, the Trons of the Caribean is a huge amount of people. 21:34:32 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-172-144-197.range86-172.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:05 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:37:29 <NGC3982> I need lingual help. 21:37:38 <peter1138> bling!ual 21:37:39 <NGC3982> What is the difference between a "personal letter" and a "serial letter"? 21:37:55 <peter1138> personal is specific to one person 21:38:04 <peter1138> serial is the same letter for a load of recipients 21:38:12 <peter1138> i guess :p 21:38:24 <NGC3982> Uhm, allright. 21:38:34 <NGC3982> I'm trying to communicate with a german customer 21:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: serial letter is where you have one form and just (automatically) insert name, adress and stuff 21:42:49 <NGC3982> __ln__: Ill make sure to URL you when i manage to complete the music. 21:43:00 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Oh, i see. 21:43:01 <__ln__> Excellent. 21:43:06 <NGC3982> I also see where i f*cked up. 21:43:48 <NGC3982> three hundred thousand kronor, lost. 21:46:18 <__ln__> What happened? 21:47:38 <NGC3982> We made mystery calls (equals: Hired by a company pretending to be a customer, evaluating their own customer services) for one of the biggest car manufacturer on the planet 21:48:52 <NGC3982> I was responsible for the entire project, and i managed to miss a small detail in how we should save and present our work 21:48:59 <NGC3982> For an entire year. 21:54:28 <frosch123> night 21:54:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f640a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:37 <__ln__> Oh. 22:02:08 <andythenorth> bed time 22:02:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:15:44 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:16:15 <Superuser> where the hell is frosch 22:16:20 <Superuser> tell him to get on RIGHT NOW 22:16:28 <Superuser> K 22:16:30 <Superuser> I am so mad 22:16:39 <NGC3982> 22:54 < frosch123> night 22:18:36 <Superuser> when was that in your local time? It's 22:16 here 22:19:11 <NGC3982> Oh, sorry. Yes. It was thirty minutes ago. 22:19:12 <__ln__> i don't think frosch is a psychiatrist, so he's the wrong person to contact if you're mad. 22:19:29 <NGC3982> I think he is. 22:19:40 *** Defaulttinen [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:59 <NGC3982> Let's call a Schrodinger on him and state that he is one, until we observe him not to be one. 22:20:14 <Superuser> mad as in butt hurt 22:20:18 <NGC3982> Superuser: Can we help you? 22:20:46 <Superuser> no this is between me and him okay, just this is the only way he can be contacted 22:20:50 <Superuser> everything is his fault 22:20:53 <Superuser> EVERYTHING 22:20:56 <Superuser> or hers, who knows 22:21:18 <NGC3982> That would make our psychiatrist hypothesis less plausible. 22:22:10 <__ln__> everything can't possibly be his fault. 22:22:47 <__ln__> because at least 38.4% of everything is Bjarni's fault 22:23:17 <NGC3982> __ln__: This is one of the tracks that originally was made to be a OpenTTron piece. It was later changed and used in Brady Haran's Youtube projects; https://soundcloud.com/sibirish_musik/examples-for-brady-ambient 22:24:04 <NGC3982> __ln__: It was originally very dark, and in natural minor. 22:24:27 <NGC3982> Maybe, i should re-make the original music 22:24:40 <NGC3982> an* 22:25:25 <Terkhen> good night 22:26:42 <__ln__> Not quite enough TT in it yet, imho. 22:27:35 <NGC3982> Yes, i had to abandon that principle 22:28:13 <NGC3982> Rag-time and big band jazz ensemble is unfortunately not that compatible with ambient and electronic music. 22:28:25 <__ln__> Superuser: we can't wait for details the whole night. 22:28:38 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 22:28:39 * NGC3982 actually enjoys playing rag-time more then ambient. 22:28:51 <__ln__> *than 22:28:58 <NGC3982> When on earth do i use then. 22:29:17 <__ln__> When you mean then. 22:29:18 <NGC3982> I actually started with than, and changed it to then. 22:29:26 * NGC3982 googles. 22:29:48 <__ln__> De Àr två olika ord på svenska, du måste veta skillnaden mellan dom. 22:29:50 <NGC3982> Why do i not know this. 22:29:58 <NGC3982> Det* 22:30:22 <NGC3982> Well, i see the difference now. Time and comparisons made it a bit clearer. 22:30:38 <NGC3982> Don't ask me why i can manage this in french but not in english. 22:31:12 <__ln__> Du skulle inte sÀga du "tycker mera om rag-time sedan ambient"? 22:31:32 <NGC3982> Yes, i know. You don't have to throw it in my face. :P 22:31:56 <__ln__> I don't mean to.. 22:32:02 <NGC3982> I have been lazy with the english since school. 22:33:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:09 <NGC3982> You should see the germans i have been working with 22:34:38 <NGC3982> "do u hav di reports yes?" 22:36:29 <__ln__> "di reports" or "zi reports"? 22:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> ENGLISH ONLY!!!! 22:37:35 <__ln__> alright. Hans Room. 22:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i think "di" is more likely when dealing with germans 22:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> at least with germans with low english skills 22:42:01 <__ln__> ok 22:48:16 <Wolf01> 'night 22:48:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:52:59 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:11 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:59:17 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:03:46 <NGC3982> __ln__: Thank you for reminding me. I just sat down at my studio, and ill try to resume the OpenTTron work. 23:07:20 <__ln__> np 23:08:39 <__ln__> NGC3982: You could also experiment with OpenTTDredd style. 23:15:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:16:18 <NGC3982> As in Judge piece-of-crap-fake-movie Dredd? 23:16:40 <__ln__> Not the one with Stallone, no. 23:17:04 <__ln__> The new one with Karl Urban as Dredd. 23:18:05 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:18:37 <NGC3982> Ah 23:18:42 <NGC3982> Wait what 23:18:49 <NGC3982> Isnt Stallone in the new movie? 23:19:01 <__ln__> Nope. 23:19:31 <MNIM> wut. 23:19:45 <MNIM> stallone is the lawr! 23:19:57 <__ln__> MNIM: nonsense. 23:20:17 <__ln__> NGC3982: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqgrUna28w 23:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of stallone, what was this rumor about a expendables-movie with women? 23:21:27 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:56 <__ln__> sounds like charlie's angels or something. 23:24:34 <__ln__> NGC3982: but to get an idea of the style of the soundtrack: http://open.spotify.com/track/4903EsZNrSEOKxunl1xa9M 23:27:12 *** chester_ [~chester@95-27-0-194.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:26 <NGC3982> Ill have a listen 23:28:34 <NGC3982> I'm at the moment filled with bass and euphoria. 23:31:12 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:09 <NGC3982> __ln__: How square. 23:43:14 <NGC3982> Huge amount of pun intended. 23:58:06 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04e96b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd