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00:05:04 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-5d854726.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:13 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 00:17:46 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:45:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e042.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 00:57:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 01:19:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A38B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:33 <Supercheese> I wonder what Superuser was going on about earlier... 01:51:58 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 01:57:12 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:57:40 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 01:59:59 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:21:30 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-054-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 03:33:00 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 04:23:04 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:51 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:35 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has joined #openttd 05:21:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4695.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5D03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:36 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:22:49 * peter1138 puts the blupblup on 06:25:58 <Supercheese> blup...blup? 06:26:08 <peter1138> coffee machine 06:26:13 <Supercheese> ah 06:31:20 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:57:44 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 07:09:09 <peter1138> hmm, setting the _default_ service interval to 0 disables servicing 07:09:17 <peter1138> weird :p 07:09:46 <Supercheese> Hmm, I haven't played with breakdowns... well, ever 07:09:59 <Supercheese> Disabled 'em in old TTD, even 07:18:38 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 07:21:05 *** dots [~dots@ti0014a380-dhcp0559.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 07:22:58 <Supercheese> Blarg, 2x and 4x zoom sprites are a crapton of work 07:33:09 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:35:11 <peter1138> heh 07:35:27 <peter1138> just more pixels :p 07:35:58 <Supercheese> Yes, but I have to do resize and tweak 16 views per vehicle 07:36:03 <Supercheese> to resize* 07:36:34 <Supercheese> Eh, probably worth it, I'm not sure how many grfs have 2x and 4x zoom, it can't be many 07:36:44 <peter1138> probably not 07:36:50 <peter1138> are you doing 8bpp or 32bpp? 07:37:11 <Supercheese> 8bbp at the moment 07:37:43 <Supercheese> I want action colors... I guess I could do 32bpp 07:37:48 <Supercheese> fiddle with masks 07:37:53 <peter1138> well they go in the mask 07:38:06 <peter1138> just like recolours 07:38:12 <Supercheese> hmm 07:38:46 <Supercheese> oh, if I only supply 1x and 4x zoom sprites, do you know which would be used for 2x zoom? 07:38:57 <peter1138> 4x scaled down 07:39:10 <Supercheese> good, makes sense 07:40:59 <peter1138> pixel animation only works if there is no pixel transparency, and you should use the middle brightness (128) so that it looks right when pixel animation is turned off 07:45:16 <Supercheese> Middle brightness? For the 32bpp pixels, you mean? 07:45:33 <Supercheese> mask pixels are the index for action color 07:50:41 <peter1138> yes 07:51:22 <peter1138> but their brightness is adjustable by use of the rgb value of the pixel in the non-mask 07:52:26 <Supercheese> even for action colors, eh? 07:52:37 <peter1138> kinda of 07:53:34 <peter1138> hmm 07:53:36 <peter1138> actually i lied 07:53:48 <peter1138> the brightness is kept for animated pixels too 08:32:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:44 <dihedral> greetings 08:55:49 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-013.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:04:10 * peter1138 smirks at the ttdpatch fourm 09:04:13 <peter1138> *forum 09:07:04 <Supercheese> 'night 09:07:08 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 09:15:14 <NGC3982> Morning 09:23:39 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has joined #openttd 09:23:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:25:37 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:43 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has joined #openttd 09:30:17 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-16-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:59:31 <peter1138> hi 10:20:28 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/tqPTeyS.png 10:20:40 <NGC3982> What is the best way to get farm supplies to each and every one of these? 10:21:19 <V453000> probably logic split 10:21:21 <V453000> 1->X 10:21:50 <V453000> 15 of them? 1->3 and then from each of the 3 to 5 10:22:01 *** dots [~dots@ti0014a380-dhcp0559.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:23 <NGC3982> Since, when i ship to a station that has more than one farm, only one of them seems to accept it. 10:22:47 *** dots [~dots@ti0014a380-dhcp0559.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:23:24 <Pinkbeast> Cargod*st. :-) 10:23:41 <V453000> station delivers to the closest farm 10:23:44 <V453000> from station sign 10:24:00 <V453000> yes, that is the dumb solution Pinkbeast 10:24:12 <Pinkbeast> So you could use a lot of RVs (eg with HEQS) to do distribution from a railway station 10:24:14 <NGC3982> So, matching up the number of tiles between the feeder station might solve it? 10:24:22 <Pinkbeast> Errr it seems a perfectly sensible approach to me. 10:24:23 <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: That is my intent right now. 10:24:45 <Pinkbeast> NGC: You're never going to deliver to one station and have it split between multiple farms in a non-cargod*st world. 10:24:52 <NGC3982> :( 10:25:09 <V453000> no but you can have 15 stations 10:25:14 <Pinkbeast> But I think a railway station with RVs running to each farm could be attractive. 10:25:34 <V453000> attractive but not exactly effective, some farms would probably take more, some less 10:25:47 <NGC3982> V453000: Oh, and all fifteen closest to adjecant farmt? 10:25:56 <NGC3982> adjacent* 10:25:59 <V453000> yes of course 10:26:32 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 10:26:33 <V453000> when you cheated it and have them this stupidly close together, now deal with it :P 10:26:44 <Pinkbeast> You could even out the supply by running a road loop around with drive-through stops. The RVs run line astern - no room for overtaking. Each one gets the same amount of cargo overall. 10:26:49 <dihedral> order a single train to full load, and drop goods at station A, full load and drop goods at station B ... 10:26:53 <NGC3982> Cheating? I call it finance. ;-) 10:27:07 <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: Yeah 10:27:16 <dihedral> then create a train for each drop off station, and makr sure they all skip an order so that each station gets served 10:27:32 <dihedral> that way they will rotate and each station gets handled 10:27:36 <V453000> or what dih says, that is also viable 10:27:56 <NGC3982> I guess i could use non-stop 10:27:57 <NGC3982> too 10:27:59 <NGC3982> Too* 10:28:55 <Pinkbeast> Or each RV has the same baroque 30-order list :-/ 10:29:22 <NGC3982> Harr. 10:30:00 <V453000> Pinkbeast: kisses https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/pzg22orders.png 10:30:00 <V453000> :) 10:30:49 *** kais58 is now known as kais58|AFK 10:31:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:31:07 <NGC3982> Sweet jesus. 10:31:09 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58 10:31:25 <NGC3982> How did you fit that into a screenshot? 10:32:11 <V453000> I didnt :) 10:33:17 <V453000> just multiple screenshots put together 10:33:50 <peter1138> ... why? 10:35:15 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/STgu2Pl.png 10:35:17 <NGC3982> Something like that 10:35:26 <NGC3982> peter1138: To show off an incredible orderlist. 10:35:37 <NGC3982> Though, i wonder why you have so much repeated orders in the end. 10:37:24 <V453000> why? To have 2000 trains service every single industry on the map? 10:37:32 <V453000> the orders in the end are to prevent implicit orders 10:42:01 <NGC3982> Ah, i see 10:42:14 <NGC3982> V453000: It would be nice to see a screenshot of that map. 10:43:19 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/ProZone:Archive_-_Games_21_-_30 the first one 10:43:21 <V453000> 22 10:43:51 <V453000> you can get a save there 10:43:59 <__ln__> NGC3982: Do we agree that Stallone is not in the new movie and it's not fake nor crap? 10:44:47 <NGC3982> I love the comics. That means i will never love the movies, sadly. 10:45:12 <NGC3982> But yes, i can agree that Carl Urban might be a better Dredd than Stallone. 10:45:22 <NGC3982> I have yet to see the movie. 10:45:25 <__ln__> *Karl 10:45:29 <NGC3982> Ah. 10:45:53 <NGC3982> Scandinavian roots? 10:46:04 <__ln__> German, I think. 10:46:21 <__ln__> NGC3982: It's been said that the new movie follows the comics a lot more closely than the old one. 10:47:17 <NGC3982> Oh 10:47:20 <NGC3982> Well, that would be nice. 10:47:40 <__ln__> IMDb says his real first name is Karl-Heinz.. sounds a bit german. 10:48:31 <NGC3982> Ah, indeed. 10:49:43 <NGC3982> Well, this was a good start of the day. I just read an article from a Swedish university, that with experiments confirm that drinking moka or press coffee greatly increases the risk of cancerogenic compounds being absorbed by the body. 10:50:05 <NGC3982> Feels good, since it's the only thing i do in my free time. 11:23:29 <Flygon> It's not driving on the right side of the road that scares me 11:23:43 <Flygon> It's driving on the left side of a car that does 11:25:06 <NGC3982> I guess i should do something with that statement. 11:32:35 <Flygon> Hm? 11:36:55 <NGC3982> Sorry, i was pondering. 11:38:32 <__ln__> Flygon: But if you're on the right side of a car, you need to change gears using your left hand. 11:39:05 <Flygon> __ln__: I'm only qualified to drive automatic 11:39:14 <Flygon> Also, I do gearshift with my left and 11:39:15 <Flygon> hand* 11:39:26 <Flygon> I'm Australian, we drive on the left side of the road 11:40:05 <Pinkbeast> I shift gears with both hands. Front derailleur on the left, rear on the right. ;-P 11:40:13 <__ln__> So you do, you should stop doing that. 11:40:27 * NGC3982 loves manual cars. 11:40:57 <NGC3982> When i was new to my drivers license, i had a number of cheap half-broken cars. 11:40:58 <__ln__> Flygon: Even the Swedes managed to change to the right side during the era when a lot of cars already existed. 11:41:01 <NGC3982> It was so fun. 11:41:23 <Flygon> I prefer driving on the left side of the road 11:41:26 <Flygon> It makes more sense 11:41:29 <NGC3982> 1,6 litre, 100-ish horsepowered, manual gearbox with heavy parking breaks 11:41:38 <NGC3982> nissan sunny sedan, and a mazda 323f. 11:41:52 <Flygon> Also, they only make Magna's for Australian roads 11:41:56 <NGC3982> It was like driving around in a forest rally all the time. 11:41:57 <__ln__> Flygon: It's not like you need to hold a sword in your right hand anymore, so what's the sense it makes... 11:41:57 <Flygon> And all I usually drive is magna's 11:42:09 <Flygon> And I use my sword with both hands 11:42:26 <Flygon> It lets me use Two-Hand Quicken, and increase my ASPD 11:42:37 <Flygon> Works very well when I'm riding my bird 11:42:59 <Flygon> NGC3982: Sounds like a Magna :p 11:43:13 <Flygon> Try to accelerate? 11:43:19 <Flygon> SKIDSKIDSKIDSKID 11:43:51 <NGC3982> Haha, indeed. 11:43:52 <NGC3982> It was so fun 11:44:17 <NGC3982> Back in the day, i didn't have to accelerate beyond a hundred km/h too get that feeling 11:44:37 <NGC3982> Since the small weight and high rpm made it feel like a F-18 or something 11:44:42 <Flygon> Oh, nonono, mine did it anytime you accelerated from 0 11:44:43 <NGC3982> T'was awesome. 11:45:06 <Flygon> Frontwheel drive + shitloads of torque + being in a slightly wet region = Fun at roundabouts 11:45:35 <NGC3982> :D 11:45:38 <Flygon> On the upside, if you were careful, you could go from 0 to 100 in a sub-00 car very very fast 11:45:45 <Flygon> Below 6 seconds, I'd bet 11:46:08 <NGC3982> And, since i was young and dumb. Every stop-and-go resulted in lead footed driving, even if i was to stop again in thirty meters or something. 11:46:12 <NGC3982> I miss those days. 11:46:19 <NGC3982> A few accidents later, and my driving is almost Vulcan. 11:46:21 <Flygon> And they're nigh unkillable... provided you don't mind running with 3 sparkplugs out of 6 11:46:48 <Flygon> You need to take apart half the engine to replace them... no wonder they're so bloody overpowered 11:47:09 <Flygon> They must have done it to avoid people noticing half your cylinders aren't firing @____@ 11:47:27 <Flygon> Ah, I've only been in one accident, low speed... I rear ended someone below 10km/h 11:47:36 <Flygon> Bitch charged me 0 for her front headlights 11:47:49 <Flygon> B-word for emphasis 11:48:18 <NGC3982> :D 11:48:25 <Flygon> Proooobably didn't help that Magna's are associated with hooligans in accidents... 11:48:31 <NGC3982> I tumbled with an Audi 100. 11:48:37 <Flygon> ...and that they're known to get banged around and survived 11:48:48 <NGC3982> That was the last car i owned, and i'ts almost four years ago. 11:49:00 <Flygon> Only way to kill them is by destroying their gearbox with sheer force (or for the auto-transmission to wear out) 11:49:37 <Flygon> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2651992/IMG_0693.JPG also, mine got killed that way :( 11:49:46 <NGC3982> Oh my. 11:49:56 <Flygon> Yeah 11:50:01 <NGC3982> Let's see if i can find a picture. 11:50:06 <Flygon> It was written off because it was considered below 0 :( 11:50:15 <NGC3982> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Bilder/div/DSCN3803.JPG 11:50:22 <NGC3982> 750. Worst car i have ever had. 11:50:22 <Flygon> A new one of the same model (2000) would be 00... 11:50:36 <Flygon> Wow 11:50:41 <Flygon> That car looks classy as fuck 11:50:46 <Flygon> ...er, excuse my f word 11:50:53 <NGC3982> It was classy too, as long as you didn't pay for it. 11:50:54 <Flygon> I'm too used to more... uuuuh, adult oriented channels 11:51:05 <NGC3982> It is a -horrible- car. 11:51:26 <Flygon> http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/120812/399r1/1087me8_20.jpeg What is pictured 11:51:44 <NGC3982> One of the threaded original rims got cracked, and it costed more to change it than to actually buy a new used BMW. 11:51:50 <Flygon> http://www.carsguide.com.au/images/uploads/Mitsubishi_TS_Magna_Executive_1994-sedanLargeR.jpg An older version I used to drive... long story 11:51:56 <Flygon> But they drive identically 11:51:57 <NGC3982> Hehe, that's nice. 11:52:13 <Flygon> I prefer the 1994 one. It looks classy and smart. And it drives brilliantly. 11:52:23 <NGC3982> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Bilder/rensad_server/DSC00279.JPG 11:52:25 <NGC3982> There we are 11:52:27 <NGC3982> My first two cars 11:52:42 <Flygon> Turning circle is horrible though, and you gotta check their windscreens and engines when you buy them.... 11:52:58 <NGC3982> I got the one to the right (Nissan Sunny) when i turned 18, and bought the Mazda 323f (to the left) six months later. 11:53:01 <Flygon> Those looks very... uuuh 11:53:11 <Flygon> European, frankly 11:53:22 <NGC3982> That Mazda was kind of cool when i was 19, with bobbin headlights and stuff. 11:53:24 <Flygon> European cars look weird, you rarely get them here 11:53:35 <NGC3982> Yet did i have to realize how costly a "special car" is. 11:53:50 <V453000> properly large car :P http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5FfGDHyKB68/UKvdHSvWvuI/AAAAAAAABuk/mP2dzpy6d_8/s1600/Kia-Carnival-images.jpg 11:53:51 <NGC3982> Flygon: Hehe. 11:53:52 <Flygon> It's mostly just Japanese-Australian hybrid designs (Magna is one), American-Australia, American, and Japanese 11:54:10 <NGC3982> V453000: I'm sorry, but this is a car discussion. Aircraft can be discussed somewhere else. 11:54:13 <NGC3982> :D 11:54:23 <Flygon> Ah 11:54:28 <Flygon> I hate driving those 11:54:31 <V453000> it is a submarine... 11:54:46 <Flygon> Also, first one I drove one (Mum's BF's car), it was sooo different compared to my Magna 11:54:49 <NGC3982> V453000: By the way, isn't that really a white-labeled WV Sharon/Ford Galaxy? 11:55:03 <NGC3982> I took my drivers license in a Ford Galaxy. 11:55:06 <Flygon> The view was terrible, and the car cooperated when I floored it because it was AWD 11:55:15 <NGC3982> It was slower then time itself, but actually nice to drive. 11:55:21 <Flygon> Ford Galaxy? 11:55:24 <Flygon> They never came here 11:55:28 <NGC3982> Yes. 11:55:32 <Flygon> Most Fords here are Falcons 11:55:37 <NGC3982> Basiclly the same as the one V453000 pasted. 11:55:51 <Flygon> Heck, I currently drive a 1999 Falcon. It's not a bad little car, but it's VERY average 11:56:10 <NGC3982> Though: Tip of the century: NEVER buy an old BMW luxury car if you can't afford buying three more for spare parts. 11:56:17 <V453000> idk it is possible :) 11:56:22 <Flygon> http://images03.olx.com.au/ui/7/29/48/f_121112148-36554c1d.jpeg 11:56:29 <NGC3982> It was seriosly so bad i had to move home for a few months to fix the dept. 11:56:40 <NGC3982> Flygon: That looks very American. 11:56:41 <Flygon> NGC3982: Buy 0.7 Magna's, it'll still work 11:56:50 <NGC3982> I have never heard of Magna before. 11:56:51 <Flygon> Yeah, local Falcons are American-Australian 11:57:00 <Flygon> In fact, it's just a modified American car 11:57:05 <Flygon> Magna are Japanese-Australian only 11:57:14 <Flygon> They don't even come with left-side drive 11:57:39 <NGC3982> I see 11:57:39 <Flygon> Frustratingly, they'd do awesomely in European roads 11:57:56 <Flygon> They have a great top-cruising speed... which is way over 110km/h 11:58:04 <Flygon> Unfortunately, all roads here cap @ 110km/h 11:58:06 <NGC3982> __ln__: How is the Finnish car park? 11:58:23 <NGC3982> Flygon: The same goes for most of Scandinavia. 11:58:35 <Flygon> I'd bet money I could cruise @ 160km/h+ easily... then again, my 2000 decided to shift to 2nd gear @ 110km/h because... I was going up a hill 11:58:41 <Flygon> The transmission must have been dying 11:58:56 <Flygon> I wish I had a manual... a 5th gear and a gearbox that would cooperate 11:58:58 <NGC3982> Driving an eighties 80-120 horsepower car doesn't really allow comfortable speeds after 120-130km/h, if you ask me. 12:00:07 <Flygon> Mine had around 192 hp when it was new... probably 150-160 by the time it was smashed 12:00:15 <NGC3982> I see 12:00:35 <Flygon> The engine wasn't a problem... I drove it @ 150km/h on a backroad without problems... I didn't go faster because the road was awful, and the tyres needed replacing 12:01:15 <NGC3982> Heh. 160km/h was the limited speed on the Mazda, and it was like a roller coaster in those speeds. 12:01:16 <Flygon> And this was before fixing 2 of the sparkplugs that didn't even fire, and another 2 that only fired half the time 12:01:21 <NGC3982> The BMW on the other hand 12:01:29 <Flygon> Magna speedo goes up to 220 :D 12:01:39 <NGC3982> THe 750 did 230-240km/h before the limit kicked in. 12:01:42 <NGC3982> The* 12:01:51 <NGC3982> 240 was very scary, though. 12:01:53 <Flygon> Every car here does... so that you know you're going 110km/h when it's pointed directly up 12:02:06 <Flygon> 240km/h... god 12:02:19 <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cx4PH1QQ8 12:02:35 <Flygon> Doing that in a Magna... I'd only even TRY with 100% new tyres, a completely fixed up engine, and if it was a Manual (for the 5th gear) 12:02:50 <NGC3982> peter1138: What the.. 12:02:53 <Flygon> It's a good car, but it's not a bloody racecar 12:03:18 <Flygon> I'd say 200km/h, tops, in normal conditions 12:03:23 <peter1138> NGC3982, what? 12:03:29 <NGC3982> Flygon: I do not think a car like that can reach those speeds before a rpm limit is exceeded. 12:03:47 <Flygon> peter: What a weird bug... 12:03:55 <NGC3982> Especially with a automatic. 12:03:57 <Flygon> NGC: Hence, why I wouldn't even try, and would want the extra gear 12:03:59 <peter1138> Flygon, what is? 12:04:06 <NGC3982> Flygon: Hehe. 12:04:17 <Flygon> peter: Turning that preference on and off changing the day intervals 12:04:30 <peter1138> eh? 12:04:34 <Flygon> NGC3982: Again, in a Manual, frankly... I'd say you'd reach 220km/h tops 12:04:43 <Flygon> peter: nvm, I'm going nuts 12:04:46 <peter1138> apparently 12:04:55 <Flygon> An auto, I'd say 200km/h safely 12:04:55 <NGC3982> Flygon: Barely. :D 12:05:02 <NGC3982> 200km/h, maybe. 12:05:09 <NGC3982> Not in a fun matter, at least. 12:05:09 <NGC3982> :D 12:05:10 <Flygon> 170 in one that's less well maintained 12:05:17 <Flygon> Indeed, I was scared enough going 150-160 12:05:18 <__ln__> NGC3982: What Finnish car park? 12:05:51 <NGC3982> __ln__: What kind of vehicles that the Finnish people seem to buy. 12:05:55 <peter1138> hmm, is per-group servicing interval useful? 12:06:00 <peter1138> or just pointless micromanagement 12:06:00 <Flygon> I've not bothered pushing the Falcon. No safe areas to do it, and it's not my car 12:06:13 <peter1138> personally i think per vehicle servicing interval is micromanagement mind you 12:06:14 <NGC3982> I noticed while living in Denmark for a while, that it differs immensely between the countries. 12:06:26 <__ln__> NGC3982: Old ones because new ones are so expensive. 12:06:38 <Flygon> But I'm p. sure I've seen others push it to 130-140... chances are, there's Americans that pushed the near-identical model as far as possible, and posted that to YouTube 12:06:40 <NGC3982> I even noticed Lada and Trabant on a regular basis, wich is a bit worrying. 12:06:42 <NGC3982> __ln__: I see. 12:07:00 <NGC3982> Flygon: As a grown up, one does not really feel the need to try that limit any longer. 12:07:19 <NGC3982> Flygon: It was a different thing when i (or we) was new to driving, i guess. 12:07:45 <NGC3982> I feel that the Swedish car park is modern, but that be a radical notion. 12:08:17 <NGC3982> but that might* 12:08:57 <Flygon> NGC: I would if I was on an autobahn :P 12:09:01 <Flygon> Like 12:09:09 <Flygon> I could go 200km/h in a Magna? Legally? 12:09:23 <NGC3982> Being able to drive really fast for a long time on the Autobahn is not really for real, in my experience. 12:09:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A38B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:43 <Flygon> Eh, it is here if you're in the Northern Territory 12:09:47 <NGC3982> I noticed very few places where "radical" speeds was allowed or even manageable. 12:10:02 <Flygon> I'd just recommend installing AWD, and ensuring you're a rally driver 12:10:06 <NGC3982> I guess 200km/h is not that radical, though. 12:10:10 <__ln__> Flygon: When there is no speed limit on the Autobahn, there is no speed limit. 12:10:12 <Flygon> Because you'd be breaking 160km/h on a dirt road.... 12:10:30 <Flygon> __ln__: Yeah, but the faster you go, the more responsible you are for the accident 12:10:50 <NGC3982> My first and only visit to the Autobahn was with the Mazda, and it was very, very frustrating being the slowest car on the road. 12:10:51 <Flygon> Here, Northern Territory technically has a 140km/h limit. But it's near impossible to enforce. 12:10:54 <NGC3982> On the border to unsafe. 12:11:09 <Flygon> How fast were you going? 12:11:18 <NGC3982> 150, at max. 12:11:26 <Flygon> That's pretty fast 12:11:35 <NGC3982> The Mazda was not safe after that, and it barely was at 150. 12:11:47 * __ln__ has experienced 203 km/h on an Autobahn. Wasn't driving myself. 12:11:57 <NGC3982> And, people rushing by you in +100km/h was very, very disturbing. 12:11:57 <Flygon> I was going 4th gear 4500rpm when I went 150km/h... 12:12:04 <peter1138> hm 12:12:16 <NGC3982> What suprised me was the huge car density relatively to their speeds 12:12:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:36 <Flygon> (extrapolating, I'd say 3750rpm after the service, due to working sparkplugs ect) 12:12:59 <Flygon> I'm surprised it'd be unsafe @ over 150 12:13:03 <Flygon> Were the tyres bad? 12:13:06 <NGC3982> I can't remember what the maximum rpm was, but i definetly reached it. :P 12:13:14 <Flygon> Oww 12:13:23 <Flygon> Maximum 'safe' in a Magna is 6000-7000 12:13:28 <Flygon> 9000 being the utter limit 12:13:32 <NGC3982> Flygon: Absolutely, and the brakes, and the gear box, and the ..car. 12:13:51 <Flygon> Ah, almost all my brake problems were because of the tyres 12:14:05 <Flygon> And, yeah, I can sympathize with the gearbox woes 12:14:29 <Flygon> I'm still astounded by car thinks downshifting from 3rd @ 110km/h while doing 3300rpm+ was a good idea 12:15:11 <Flygon> Though, to be fair, I was still going much faster than other cars on the same hill... and over 40km/h faster than the trucks 12:15:11 <NGC3982> Since i have owned the worst and best of stable-at-high-speed-cars, i think i know the difference between a BMW 750 in 200km/h (that runs just as safely as in 60km/h), and a Mazda 323f in 150km/h (that barely runs safely in 60km/h). 12:15:32 <Flygon> Ah, well... come here and drive a Magna 12:15:42 <NGC3982> Differense is greater then __ln__'s determination to speak ancient moon language. 12:16:02 <NGC3982> than. 12:16:10 <NGC3982> Bah. I need to go outside. 12:16:17 <__ln__> NGC3982: Is it actual safety or false feeling of safety? 12:16:25 <Flygon> I gurantee you'd both love and hate it... almost all are in less-than-good condition (part of the ironic reason they're considered unkillable. They don't stay in mint condition, but, hey, they don't really degrade :p) 12:16:32 <__ln__> Ancient moon language .... 12:16:33 <Flygon> Have fun NGC 12:16:54 <NGC3982> Both. I have no idea how both the cars work, but the BMW had airbags and more modern safety systems, besides being built to drive in those speeds in the first place. 12:17:26 <__ln__> NGC3982: An airbag can kill you. 12:17:31 <NGC3982> Having your back chassies oscillating after >100km/h was a good sign. 12:17:38 <Flygon> Magna's haven't been built since 2004... 12:17:50 <Flygon> I doubt you'll find any with modern safety standards :p 12:17:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:12 <NGC3982> __ln__: It can, yes, but it is constructed not too. Thus, a car with more reliable safety history should logically have an airbag that saves you, in comparison to a car with a bad safety history, that doesn't have one. 12:18:15 <Flygon> They all fall under "Mad Max Safety Standards" 12:19:10 <__ln__> NGC3982: But with airbags and other safety features, people drive more recklessly, so the benefit from additional safety is negated. 12:19:10 <Flygon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Magna Also, to confuse... I'm talking about the Mitsuibishi Magna. I never heard of this motorcycle until now @_@ 12:19:48 <NGC3982> __ln__: Yes, in theory. You cannot - however - make a linear connection. 12:20:41 <NGC3982> For instance, i was young and new to cars with the Mazda, and rather well driven with the BMW. 12:20:51 <NGC3982> Maybe, it should have been the other way around. ;-) 12:21:26 <Flygon> I never brought any of my cars, all are hand-me-downs :p 12:22:17 <NGC3982> I need to work out. 12:22:20 <NGC3982> Have a good day. 12:22:23 <Flygon> Have fun! 12:25:18 *** TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:26:28 <TexasPete> hey wondered if I could get a little advice to improve my network 12:26:57 <TexasPete> I have joining problems 12:29:41 <Flygon> Joining? 12:29:46 <TexasPete> I am using lv4 mags, and the acceleration sucks so I would like the train only to join if the path is clear otherwise cycle back into the acceleration circle but well it aint working as intended 12:30:11 <Flygon> Uuuuh 12:30:37 <Flygon> I'm unqualified 12:31:27 <TexasPete> they join anyway and stop an oncoming train or dont circle back in if they do stop 12:31:56 <TexasPete> if they do not join I mean 12:33:20 <TexasPete> I have been building and rebuilding this join for about 3hrs :( 12:48:17 <TexasPete> oops killed two trains :/ 13:02:21 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:56 <TexasPete> hmmm I think its a path finding thing 13:13:49 <planetmaker> TexasPete, did you have a look at the #openttdcoop wiki and maybe some of the games played there? 13:14:23 <TexasPete> I have had a look at the cyclotron 13:14:49 <TexasPete> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/01/13/fail-safe-joiners-priorities-and-the-cyclotron-example/#more-598 13:14:53 <planetmaker> I personally would not recommend cyclotron really... rather simple joiners with priority are better http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Priority 13:15:39 <planetmaker> but as you see, it can be debated ;-) 13:15:39 <planetmaker> but I very rarely see the cyclotron being built... 13:15:51 <planetmaker> it fails at high load 13:17:33 <TexasPete> yeah I am using lv4 mag trains and they take a day to reach top speed so losing speed in any train is bad 13:18:37 <planetmaker> dual-head the trains 13:19:18 <TexasPete> yeah I done that, but they are 10 cars long 13:19:56 <TexasPete> 10 tiles* 13:19:56 <planetmaker> but higher max speed does not necessarily mean higher throughput. Higher av. speed combined with wagon density per unit track rules there... which might lead to another maglev type. 13:19:56 <planetmaker> yes, exactly then. 10 cars with one engine... no wonder really 13:19:56 <planetmaker> either build long(er) prios. Or use double - headed trains 13:20:01 <planetmaker> yes :-) 13:20:08 <planetmaker> I even read 10 tiles :D 13:20:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-92-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:21:32 <peter1138> planetmaker, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cx4PH1QQ8 13:22:31 <TexasPete> I was thinking of using a pegasus engines, hmmm 13:23:26 <TexasPete> I think I will start a fresh game and do another network and come back when I got a bit more experience 13:23:42 <planetmaker> yes, peter1138 ...? 13:23:52 <peter1138> planetmaker, works reasonably? 13:24:35 <peter1138> context: per-vehicle setting for use-default-service-interval/days/percentage 13:24:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:26:49 * planetmaker looks again... I rarely change those settings. My vehicles hardly break down :-) 13:27:14 <peter1138> it's a bit of a mess 13:28:03 <planetmaker> so, one can change the service interval on an individual vehicle basis there? Or vehicle class basis? 13:28:56 <peter1138> you can current change it per-vehicle 13:29:06 <peter1138> however the "days/percentage" setting is global 13:29:26 <peter1138> changing the setting doesn't update the per-vehicle service interval 13:29:43 <peter1138> so you can end up with service intervals of 150% etc 13:29:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:08 <peter1138> additional the service interval is set to the default on build, and then has to be adjust manually 13:30:09 *** TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:17 <peter1138> if you change the default it doesn't affect already built vehicles 13:30:34 <planetmaker> oh, we can still have 150%... I thought that was fixed already :-) 13:30:46 <planetmaker> Then it's a definiteive improvement in what is shown there 13:30:53 <peter1138> it's partially fixed but not enough 13:31:21 <peter1138> i'm wondering if per-group service intervals would be useful 13:31:25 <peter1138> or not 13:31:36 <peter1138> i kinda think per-vehicle intervals isn't very useful 13:32:13 <planetmaker> Well. If per-group is useful, also per-vehicle can be justified. Though I'd never tinker with the individual vehicles but group them just for lazyness reasons 13:32:42 <planetmaker> "new group". "add shared vehicles". "maybe add other shared vehicles" "set service interval" 13:32:45 <peter1138> currently the only way to change intervals is to go into every single vehicle at change it 13:32:53 <peter1138> which is utterly ridiculous 13:32:54 <planetmaker> yuck! 13:32:58 <planetmaker> yes, it is 13:34:12 <peter1138> we can make it follow vehicle if set -> group if set -> default 13:36:25 *** TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:40:10 <TexasPete> lol I will replace the two Chimaera with four Pegasus :) morrreee powwerrr! 13:42:14 <confound> hey, I'm still on this channel 13:42:14 <confound> great! 13:49:48 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:51:34 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 14:03:41 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:48 *** Devroush36 [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:21:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:10 <Belugas> hello 14:42:55 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:45 <peter1138> hi 14:58:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:59:05 <andythenorth> peter1138: cb36 isn't the problem, or isn't a problem? o_O 14:59:21 <peter1138> .... 15:00:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:57 <andythenorth> yes 15:02:04 * andythenorth might have got that wrong :P 15:02:11 <andythenorth> oops 15:02:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 15:02:31 <peter1138> hmm? 15:02:39 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:18:08 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 15:29:36 <TexasPete> yes i kind of got it to work :D 16:02:24 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the point of changing the service interval anyway? 16:21:45 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:22:04 <peter1138> well 16:23:52 <peter1138> if you fix it, nobody will like the choice made :p 16:42:38 <Vadtec> hey all, a while back some people were working on graphs for cargo, basically the same thing as cargo-dist, did anything ever come of that? 16:42:53 <Vadtec> looking at the change logs, but not finding much of anything on it 16:44:59 <peter1138> HMM 16:49:26 <Vadtec> i like the realism+complexity cargodist adds to oTTD, i was hoping it would have made its way into the main branch by now 16:53:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:56 <Pinkbeast> Vadtec: Not everyone likes it (eg some -coop people) but I think a more serious difficulty is that it never seems to quite work right. 16:54:35 <Pinkbeast> Eg the way that in a cargodist world it often easy to have more pax from town A than its population 16:54:59 <Pinkbeast> Also I think there's a serious rift between cargodist and YACD-style routing 16:55:41 <dihedral> Pinkbeast, pin-pointing a dislike to openttdcoop is not very nice 16:55:59 <dihedral> as far as i know openttdcoop is not against dist / dest 16:56:20 <dihedral> in fact they were very much into it 16:56:28 <Vadtec> Pinkbeast: i know its not for everyone, was just hoping it was in mainstream as a configurable option 16:56:49 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@87.112.181.52] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:57:33 <Pinkbeast> I don't imagine it would make trunk until it works better (although personally I would rather play with almost any cargod*st than without) 16:59:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:47 <Vadtec> I havent played it in a while, last time i tried it wouldnt compile on my *nix box due to package issues, but ive rebuilt that box, so im gonna give it another whirl 17:01:31 <Vadtec> i dont know what doesnt work "well enough" for it to not be in mainstream, so i guess ill just be hopeful it makes it into mainstream some day 17:05:17 <Vadtec> in the mean time, there is always http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargodist 17:05:30 <Pinkbeast> Well, the absurd accumulations of passengers are one example of how it does not work as well as one might hope. 17:06:52 <Vadtec> mmmm, true, i do remember that 17:07:31 <Vadtec> though for me thats not much of an issue because i rarely do passengers 17:07:52 <Vadtec> anyways, i can at least play it 17:08:00 <Vadtec> and if i ever get time, maybe dive into the code 17:08:50 <Vadtec> it would give me a legit excuse to finally mess with graphs in programming for something other than curious ideas 17:17:09 <Terkhen> hello 17:18:51 <Pinkbeast> Vadtec: or you could implement Hunt The Wumpus :-) 17:19:01 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:19:46 <Vadtec> Pinkbeast: Hunt The Wumpus? 17:22:43 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:09 <Pinkbeast> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_the_Wumpus (depending on the implementation, the rooms are the vertices of an icosahedron or an arbitary graph 17:25:33 <Vadtec> im crazy, but....ummm no 17:25:49 <Pinkbeast> Been done, eh? # also the wp page is a bit hopelessly confused 17:30:00 <NGC3982> Wumpus is a funny word. 17:30:09 * NGC3982 emulates __ln__ on a Sega CD. 17:51:59 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:06:20 <andythenorth> it would be amusing for shunting to change the lead engine, then trailing vehicles decide to drop cargo capacity to 0 18:06:52 <andythenorth> although that can be done for other silly reasons too, like vehicle age...month has an 'r' in it etc :P 18:12:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d083e80.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:36 *** Devroush36 [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 18:29:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:30:49 <Wolf01> hello 18:33:04 <Wolf01> poor THQ :( 18:33:16 <Wolf01> and no more Darksiders :( 18:34:31 <peter1138> hmm 18:34:36 <peter1138> Date service_interval 18:34:39 <peter1138> pretty sure it's not a date 18:40:52 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 18:45:38 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24940 /trunk/src/lang (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-01-24 18:45:28 UTC) 18:45:39 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:40 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 24 changes by oklmernok 18:45:41 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 12 changes by H2 18:45:42 <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093 18:45:43 <DorpsGek> polish - 5 changes by wojteks86 18:45:44 <DorpsGek> tamil - 7 changes by aswn 18:46:59 <Sacro> \o/ 18:51:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:52:09 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:22 *** TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:59:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7985.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:27 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 19:03:05 *** dots [~dots@ti0014a380-dhcp0559.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:52 * frosch123 continues to read "simuscape" as "simutrans" and wonders about the weird replies 19:11:14 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:14 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:26 <peter1138> heh 19:23:47 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:04 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:39:57 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:29 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-16-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:50:53 <peter1138> pom te pom 19:51:32 <Prof_Frink> te pom pom 19:56:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:55 <__ln__> frosch123: we were informed last night that everything is your fault. 20:27:11 <__ln__> i have no idea about the context though. 20:28:15 <NGC3982> frosch123, __ln__: Reminder, we also established that according to Erwin Schrodinger, you might be a psychiatrist. 20:32:29 <frosch123> s/iatrist/o/ maybe 20:33:05 <frosch123> psychiatrist are stupid, psychos can be interesting at least 20:33:48 <frosch123> the evil ones are always the more interesting ones 20:36:54 <Markk> It would be awesome to have a third option under "Manage list" when having the train list open. 20:37:06 <Markk> "Send to Depot after unloading cargo at next stop" 20:37:12 <Markk> Or something similar to that. 20:40:38 <frosch123> who cares? 20:40:47 <frosch123> just sell the vehicles with pax on 20:40:55 <frosch123> or leave them in the depot for 50 years 20:40:58 <frosch123> they don't mind 20:41:00 <Markk> Annoying to do that. 20:41:01 <frosch123> they like depots 20:41:09 <Markk> haha 20:41:39 <frosch123> they gain immortality 20:42:47 <frosch123> anyway, you can also add a "stop in depot" order to the vehicles 20:51:24 <Belugas> plus, it's not realistic, which is more fun 20:52:24 *** drac_boy [~drakeboy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 20:52:27 <drac_boy> hi 20:52:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:00:58 <Vadtec> is there a way (without mucking around in the code) change the start year for things like maglev and monorail stuff to be earlier? 21:01:18 <Vadtec> i want to start as early as possible but have the best stuff so i can build a nice empire 21:01:24 <drac_boy> vadtec without writing another grf which overrides the actual grf .. nope 21:01:35 <Vadtec> bummer 21:01:38 <frosch123> what's the point of "starting as early as possible"? 21:01:50 <frosch123> it's not like the game stops somewhen 21:02:03 <Vadtec> frosch123: im weird like that 21:02:04 <frosch123> just start in year 2500 and you will have all tech available 21:02:05 <Vadtec> ':P 21:11:09 <DDR> If you start in 2900 you only have to ignore one digit. :) 21:12:08 <frosch123> he can also use chinese calender or something like that :p 21:24:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A9B4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:30:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A38B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> martian calendar 21:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> where the world ends in 3012 21:34:30 <drac_boy> heh 21:40:23 *** jasperthecat1 [63304048@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:41:11 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 21:41:47 *** jasperthecat1 [63304048@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:58:32 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:58 <Superuser> WHERE IS THAT RAT BASTARD FROSCH123 21:59:25 <frosch123> worried about closing your fs task? :p 22:00:07 <Superuser> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5447 22:00:09 <Superuser> what the fuck man 22:00:10 <Supercheese> He fixed the inconsistency, that is a good thing no? 22:00:13 <Superuser> are you stupid 22:00:17 <Superuser> no he didn't 22:00:18 <Supercheese> .... 22:00:21 <Superuser> he should have put a space 22:00:32 <Supercheese> "all existing GRF have spaces in front of their subtypes" 22:00:34 <Superuser> because as in all strings in ottd, you put a leading space before you open brackets 22:00:41 <Superuser> that one didn't! 22:00:48 <Supercheese> It does now; I've changed it 22:00:53 <Superuser> oh 22:00:54 <Superuser> okay 22:00:56 <Supercheese> to conform with the existing "standard" 22:01:10 <Superuser> but it says 'Not a bug' and 'intentional behaviour' 22:01:16 <Superuser> in the closing comments 22:01:21 <Supercheese> well, for that particular string yes 22:01:26 <Supercheese> he fixed the other strings that did have spaces 22:01:27 <Superuser> yet his comment said something else 22:01:31 <Superuser> okay 22:02:35 <frosch123> apparently it is the job of the grf to add a space 22:02:52 <frosch123> just like it is expected from the grf to add ( ) around it 22:02:54 <Supercheese> Yes, I was unaware, but after inspection all other grfs did indeed have a space 22:03:20 <Supercheese> resulting in double-spaces in the refit menu 22:03:57 <frosch123> yeah, noone noticed the double space 22:05:16 <Terkhen> good night 22:06:20 <Supercheese> Huh, Dutch Trainset uses > rather than () 22:06:27 <Supercheese> Passengers > Year-Dependent livery 22:06:41 <peter1138> cargo subtypes suck 22:06:42 <__ln__> Superuser: it's not acceptable to call others rat bastards. 22:06:55 <Supercheese> Hmm I think Dutch trainset is now broken, it doesn't use a space 22:07:14 <Supercheese> After that commit it's going to be Passengers>Year-dependent livery 22:07:17 <Superuser> well I was confused at the time 22:07:19 <Supercheese> no space 22:07:26 <Superuser> hence being a rat bastard 22:08:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> if at all, he'd be a frog bastard... 22:09:48 <__ln__> Superuser: you were angry as hell last night, and now you were still angry as hell tonight. if you maintained such anger for 24 hours because of one little space in some insignificant computer game, maybe you indeed should see a doctor. 22:10:42 <Superuser> Not my fault when people abuse their position 22:10:57 <Superuser> PS: you are reading too much into this 22:14:40 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d083e80.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 22:14:41 <__ln__> i'm not 22:14:52 <Supercheese> yeah, some existing grfs didn't put a space, hmm 22:15:47 <Superuser> most though do Supercheese 22:16:06 <Supercheese> Yes, it does appear that way as frosch said 22:16:22 <Supercheese> might be worth notifying the set devs who don't use a space 22:16:39 <andythenorth> is there some insignificant drama happening? 22:16:43 <andythenorth> I might go to bed 22:16:47 <Supercheese> insignificant, yes 22:16:55 <frosch123> andythenorth: even heqs is doing it correctly 22:16:59 <frosch123> i did not expect that from you :p 22:17:09 <andythenorth> doing which? 0_O 22:17:40 <Supercheese> Space before cargo subtype 22:17:42 <Supercheese> or no space 22:17:50 <andythenorth> herm 22:17:55 <V453000> how the f does that matter? 22:17:56 <frosch123> formatting subtypes as "blank" "paren open" "blabla" "paren close" 22:18:00 <Supercheese> most sets have a space 22:18:26 <Supercheese> V453000: a recent commit changed OTTD string behavior in this matter 22:18:36 <peter1138> abuse their position? 22:18:57 <Supercheese> refit menu used a space between cargo and subtype, other places didn't 22:18:58 <Superuser> of course 22:19:27 <V453000> and one extra/missing space is a gamebreaking problem I assume 22:19:38 <frosch123> V453000: it's the same as always :) either making stuff inconsistent in the hope it would be more sane; or keeping it consistent as there is no sane way to make it saner :p 22:19:41 <peter1138> abusing position is closing a bug with a different result than you expected? 22:20:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:21:00 <V453000> frosch123: meh :D 22:21:06 <V453000> esp in this case, ... 22:21:31 <frosch123> well, we could add some preprocessing to ottd :p 22:21:46 <V453000> flying unicorns? 22:21:50 <frosch123> removing all leading and trailing spaces and non-letters (including the parentheses) 22:22:03 <frosch123> and then format it ourself including space and parantheses 22:22:29 <peter1138> frosch123, making the code to produce a comma separated cargo type list was horrible enough 22:22:33 <frosch123> or we could just let nml fix it :p 22:22:39 <peter1138> no doubt it's cleaner with c++ 22:23:30 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-172-144-38.range86-172.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:23:56 <andythenorth> I don't understand wtf the issue is 22:24:00 <peter1138> ack, too many unfinished patches 22:24:00 <andythenorth> I've read the log and the fs 22:24:09 <andythenorth> subtypes should have a space before them 22:24:17 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-172-144-38.range86-172.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:24:47 <Supercheese> Yes, but who supplies the space 22:24:49 <Supercheese> grf or OTTD? 22:24:51 <andythenorth> newgrf author 22:24:52 <frosch123> andythenorth: but, but, then you cannot make a subtype "-ish" 22:24:57 <Supercheese> conclusion was gf, yeah 22:24:59 <Supercheese> grf* 22:25:03 <andythenorth> the grf does it 22:25:06 <andythenorth> it's just a string 22:25:07 <frosch123> i want to refit my vehicles to "coal-ish" 22:25:13 <andythenorth> frosch123: fine 22:25:21 <andythenorth> so it's a convention 22:25:25 <andythenorth> not enforced in code 22:25:36 <andythenorth> it's not a separate gui element 22:25:39 <andythenorth> it's just a string 22:25:45 <andythenorth> so leave it to the grf 22:25:52 <andythenorth> is there some kind of debate even? :) 22:25:57 <peter1138> no 22:26:23 <andythenorth> if [person] doesn't like it, [person] can stop using the defective grf 22:26:29 <andythenorth> don't use grfs made by people with no taste 22:26:35 <andythenorth> which rules out 60% of them 22:26:36 <andythenorth> but nvm 22:26:50 <V453000> only 80? 22:26:56 <andythenorth> it's on a par with "don't draw crappy graphics" 22:26:58 <V453000> put out the optimism andy :P 22:27:03 <andythenorth> but we don't enforce that in code 22:27:14 <V453000> exactly 22:27:35 <Supercheese> Well, issue closed, no? 22:28:09 <andythenorth> required field: optimism 22:28:12 <Vadtec> i must be crazy...id swear i read somewhere that its possible to rotate airports...? 22:28:25 <Supercheese> Vadtec: You need OGFX+ Airports 22:28:30 <andythenorth> "there were errors: you did not supply the following field: optiimism" 22:28:59 <Supercheese> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/LATEST/ 22:29:15 <Supercheese> That's the only grf that enables airport-rotation that I know of 22:29:16 <Vadtec> Supercheese: at least im not crazy and did read it somewhere 22:30:10 <andythenorth> hrm 22:30:13 <andythenorth> bed time? 22:32:24 <V453000> bai andy 22:32:42 <andythenorth> bye ;) 22:32:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:33:13 <__ln__> good news everyone http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2013/01/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii-1.html 22:33:32 <Kjetil> how is this good news ? 22:33:59 <Kjetil> He will probably reboot the entire universe. 22:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "A turkish community says LEGO's 'Jabbas Palace' defames the Hagia Sophia" 22:34:31 <Supercheese> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffuuuuuuu 22:34:44 <Supercheese> I did not like new Star Trek 22:35:10 <Kjetil> SW ST Crossover ? :P 22:35:20 <Kjetil> All the fanboys would go crazy 22:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they would certainly kill each other 22:35:36 <Supercheese> ^ 22:37:08 <__ln__> Supercheese: Didn't like even though the new Star Trek was a lot more trekish than the recent TNG-based movies? 22:37:50 <Vadtec> Supercheese: does that grf work with the latest stable, or would it need the latest dev? 22:38:01 <Supercheese> should work with 1.2.3 and higher 22:38:21 <Vadtec> woot 22:38:23 <__ln__> Kjetil: The article doesn't say he would write the script. 22:38:23 <Supercheese> new Star Trek destroyed the existing timeline, that's not ok 22:38:23 <frosch123> i would expect it to work with 1.1.x even :p 22:38:54 <Supercheese> why would anyone still be on 1.1.x though? 22:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: it's not like Enterprise did anything good to the timeline :p 22:39:31 <Supercheese> well Enterprise never fired Black Hole Hot Sauce into Vulcan 22:40:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: but it injected a DNA-desease into the klingons so their faces degenerate 22:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or something 22:40:14 <Kjetil> Vulcan dissapeared in a puff of.. logic ? :P 22:40:54 <Supercheese> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, it did do that; they felt the need to explain TOS Klinks' appearance 22:41:21 <Vadtec> changing the timeline in the new Star Trek allows them to revive the series without having to adhere to the old timeline 22:41:21 <__ln__> they felt the need to explain it badly 22:41:30 <Vadtec> they call that literary license 22:41:32 <Vadtec> :P 22:41:36 <__ln__> Worf's explanation in DS9 was a lot funnier 22:41:48 <__ln__> "we do not talk about it" 22:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that was great :p 22:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i think "the old" star trek has done timeline-paradoxes to death, so i don't mind the reboot with "screw timelines"... let's see how it works out. i certainly was entertained 22:45:43 <Kjetil> So then they decided that genocide was the solution ? 22:47:45 <__ln__> yeah, not rebooting the timeline would have resulted in an endless complaints from fans who'd say you can't do this and that because Kirk said something in S02E10 and Picard said something similar in another episode. 22:49:08 <Wolf01> 'night 22:49:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:49:15 <__ln__> it would have set a lot of constraints on the possible plots. and indeed the new movie was entertaining, and it worked as a movie. 22:49:31 <__ln__> besides, JJ Abrams can't possibly be a worse director than George Lucas. 22:50:01 <Supercheese> Well, that's true, but that's not saying much 22:50:01 <Kjetil> point 22:51:13 *** drac_boy [~drakeboy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 22:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think George ever made a "fuck you" in the scales of the ending of lost 22:55:29 <__ln__> the ewoks? 22:55:42 <Kjetil> He does feel the need to retroactivly change the SW story 22:55:52 <Kjetil> and the ewoks of course 22:56:15 <__ln__> han solo not shooting first 22:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely sure i can judge the ewoks... i certainly saw that movie at an age where ewoks were "cute" 22:57:15 <Kjetil> I wonder if the movie would work if the ewoks where just.. cut out of it 22:58:33 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Quit: Who will read this anyway ?] 22:58:41 <__ln__> surely everybody knows that ewoks are cute, but that they defeat the empire's elite forces with almost bare hands... that's the problem. 22:59:17 <__ln__> sorry if i spoiled the ending of star wars for anyone 23:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> they don't have bare hands... they have... stones and trees... 23:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it was a weird vietnam reference or somesuch 23:01:54 <__ln__> hmm, interesting theory 23:03:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it certainly qualifies as "asymmetric warfare" 23:03:34 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has joined #openttd 23:04:57 <__ln__> they should use the new movie to describe the time period of IV..VI from the perspective of empire soldiers. 23:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: and explain why they never hit anything? :p 23:06:26 <NGC3982> Life as a storm trooper aint the blue cheese. 23:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: anyway, you should watch the robot chicken star wars specials for that :p 23:07:05 <__ln__> isn't that explained in Spaceballs 23:07:07 <NGC3982> Do you watch Robot Chicken? 23:09:17 <NGC3982> I thought you spent your free time with submarine schematics 23:09:23 <NGC3982> Or other stuff germans do. 23:09:33 <__ln__> i have all three robot chicken star wars episodes in my bookshelf, though i haven't watched the last one yet. 23:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> they're certainly better than the family guy star wars specials :p 23:11:15 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSv2yPNryY0 23:20:06 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:23:06 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has joined #openttd 23:23:52 <Eddi|zuHause> since we are at bad scifi parodies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6pn_y6a98E :) 23:26:24 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:32 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 23:32:01 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: And Ijon Tichy for not-bad bad parodies ;) 23:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> true :) 23:33:05 <frosch123> everyone should have a small gallup 23:33:30 <frosch123> or is it kulup? 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