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[~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:f4a4:c417:5bc8:1f5f] has quit [] 07:37:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:40:49 <Pikka> yes 07:41:34 <andythenorth> really? 07:50:58 <Supercheese> inconceivable 07:51:28 <SpComb> definitively unimpossible 07:51:50 <andythenorth> why must we keep inflation at all costs? 07:51:55 <andythenorth> it's trivial to prove it's broken 07:51:58 <andythenorth> :) 07:53:51 <Supercheese> censeo inflatio esse delendam 07:56:38 <Pikka> yep 07:59:10 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:27 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:00:01 <Pikka> clearly the TTD inflation model is "realistic" though 08:00:13 <Pikka> also not arguing is no fun 08:00:23 <Supercheese> ok 08:00:29 <Supercheese> I like the inflation model, it's great 08:01:48 <Supercheese> actually, I can't even pretend to like it 08:01:51 <Supercheese> :( 08:03:12 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-102-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:05:34 <Twofish> When I left yesterday you all were having the inflation model discussion... Still going on? :p 08:08:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.77.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:42 <Supercheese> I think everyone's in agreement it sucks 08:08:47 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-102-68.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:11:20 <Supercheese> How do FIRS fishing grounds production levels work? Random fluctuations? 08:12:13 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-181-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 08:12:34 <Supercheese> No change at all? 08:12:54 <Supercheese> monthly_prod_change: return CB_RESULT_IND_PROD_NO_CHANGE; 08:13:02 <Supercheese> seems so 08:13:18 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-102-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:54 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-102-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:14:00 <andythenorth> Supercheese: no changes 08:14:05 <andythenorth> they just produce, constant 08:14:10 <andythenorth> it's nice to have something simple 08:14:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:14:17 <Supercheese> Yep 08:18:20 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-102-68.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:19 <Pikka> btw andy, add the Plozzowow Rootburger to BANDIT :) 08:26:38 <andythenorth> I'll consider it 08:26:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:26:54 <Pikka> you will 08:28:07 <Pikka> also here's more colours nailed to the mast: http://pikkarail.com/openttd/a-matter-of-perspective/ 08:30:13 * Supercheese mostly renders his sprites 08:30:24 <Supercheese> I haven't even paid attention to all that :S 08:31:51 <Supercheese> I just throw models in Sketchup, activate a templated camera setting, and render 8 views 08:31:58 <andythenorth> Pikka: I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter 08:32:25 <Supercheese> http://pikkarail.com/feed/ 08:32:51 <andythenorth> :P 08:32:58 <andythenorth> also the diagonals = better 08:33:31 <Pikka> :) 08:34:39 <Supercheese> Oh lord, fake subways have terrible diagonal shortening 08:35:20 <Supercheese> 10 px -> 8 px 08:36:17 <Supercheese> although they're 100% black shadows 08:37:02 <Supercheese> same silhouettes though 08:37:10 <peter1138> don't forget that originally wagons were ~28px, not 32px 08:37:28 <Pikka> yes 08:37:36 <Pikka> but they're actually equally shortened in the diagonals 08:37:57 <Pikka> the wagon sides in the diagonal sprites are ~14px, not 16 08:38:49 <Pikka> and the "correct" diagonal even of a 28px wagon is 20px :) 08:39:47 <Supercheese> Soooo, hmm 08:39:48 <Supercheese> how to fix 08:40:15 <Supercheese> add some height I suppose 08:40:38 <Pikka> with enormous difficulty, so we put up with it Supercheese :) 08:40:49 <Supercheese> I mean with the sprites I have here 08:40:56 <Supercheese> which I can actually try to fix 08:41:13 <Supercheese> easy enough since they're monochrome :P 08:41:20 <SpComb> "convert 8px of vertical information into 7px" 08:41:23 <SpComb> madness, this pixel art 08:45:51 <andythenorth> Pikka: one 10CC grf or several? 08:46:45 <Pikka> one base set with the wagons, parameters, etc, then one for each set for the locomotives 08:47:15 <Pikka> each "country" a seperate grf 08:47:50 <Pikka> but most of it will be in the base set.. all the wagon graphics, all the sound effects, etc 08:48:07 <Supercheese> can road vehicles be zero length? 08:48:13 <Supercheese> or is 1 minimum length? 08:49:10 <Supercheese> 1/8 08:49:28 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-181-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> \o/ snow 08:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: 1 is minimum 08:52:39 <Supercheese> Hmm, how best to handle consist length changing via refit 08:52:46 <planetmaker> moin 08:52:54 <planetmaker> yes, indeed a few cm snow here again 08:52:57 <Supercheese> currently I just have a lot of invisible dummy vehicles hanging off the end 08:52:59 <andythenorth> Pikka: so all parameters (if any) in base set? 08:53:06 <Supercheese> and they become active with refit 08:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: like in HEQS 08:53:09 <Pikka> yes 08:53:20 * andythenorth contemplates BANDIT 08:53:27 <andythenorth> 10 trucks per theme 08:53:35 <Supercheese> that leads to strange things like when the vehicle has clearly left a tile, the invisible bits are still on the tile, and so you can't clear it 08:53:37 <andythenorth> 1 grf with parameters, or multple grfs? 08:53:48 <andythenorth> multiple * 08:53:49 <Supercheese> and likewise for corners 08:54:07 <Supercheese> the vehicle has clearly negotiated the corner, but speed is still reduced because the invisible bits are still on the corner 08:54:13 <planetmaker> Supercheese, you need then to shorten the (technical) length of the visible vehicle so that its technical length + invisible parts have the length of the sprite 08:54:33 <andythenorth> Supercheese: eddi worked out a packing scheme for HEQS 08:54:41 <Supercheese> I would like to know this scheme :) 08:54:45 <andythenorth> so shorten vehicles and pack them together, but the sprites overlap 08:54:51 <andythenorth> he has ascii art somewhere :P 08:54:56 <andythenorth> or it's in HEQS nfo 08:55:05 <Supercheese> I understand the concept, but I do not understand nfo 08:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be under www.inforomatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/tram.txt 08:55:16 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets is somewhat NML :D 08:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> err 08:55:35 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/tram.txt 08:55:37 <planetmaker> :D 08:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> too early :) 08:55:50 <Supercheese> whaow 08:55:55 <Supercheese> ascii to the max 08:56:00 <Pikka> andy, I feel like trucks are less country-specific 08:56:03 <Pikka> I'd put them all in one 08:56:33 <andythenorth> also no base set for wagons and stuff 08:56:37 <andythenorth> I am figuring one 08:56:44 <andythenorth> only one place to set parameters etc 08:56:53 <andythenorth> less forgetting to add a grf to the game 08:57:08 <Supercheese> Sooo 08:57:17 <Supercheese> which thingies are assigned which lengths? 08:58:22 <Supercheese> I think I get it 08:58:35 <Supercheese> front vehicle is made 1/8 on short refits and stuff is packed in 08:58:40 <andythenorth> yes 08:58:42 <Supercheese> until the next visible vehicle 08:58:50 * Supercheese will try that 08:59:01 <andythenorth> so for 4 wagons, the engine sprite is 'covering' 4 vehicles 08:59:04 <Supercheese> Argh, have to redo all my switches 08:59:07 <andythenorth> yes 08:59:10 <Supercheese> worth it though 08:59:12 <andythenorth> yes 08:59:31 <andythenorth> templating is your friend :P 09:03:09 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:36 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 09:05:27 <andythenorth> Pikka: refittable capacity container ship. Does this smell of wee? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3815/container_feeder.png 09:06:09 <Pikka> what benefit does refitting to a smaller capacity give? 09:06:12 <Pikka> lower running costs? 09:06:20 <andythenorth> it's just that it's fast (30mph) 09:06:33 <andythenorth> and the game has no useful part-load orders :P 09:06:41 <Pikka> lower capacity = higher speed? 09:06:44 <andythenorth> nah 09:06:47 <Pikka> oh 09:06:54 <andythenorth> it basically just makes this ship much more useful than all the other ships :P 09:06:59 <andythenorth> this is the one ship to rule them all 09:06:59 <Pikka> hmm 09:07:04 <andythenorth> god-ship 09:07:08 <Pikka> 30 is pretty fast 09:07:20 <Pikka> I have trains that slow in 10cc 09:07:21 <andythenorth> almost realistic 09:07:22 <Pikka> well, one 09:07:31 <Pikka> and it's a bit of a silly one :) 09:08:02 <andythenorth> I think this ship smells of wee currently 09:08:03 <Pikka> I think refittable capacity smells somewhat of wee, but that's just my o'pinyin 09:08:12 <andythenorth> it's ok for log tug and livestock ship 09:08:17 <andythenorth> but they only have one cargo 09:08:49 <andythenorth> hmm 09:08:57 <andythenorth> 'just use a timetable' ? 09:09:16 <andythenorth> which is how real container lines work 09:09:24 <Supercheese> or conditional orders 09:09:42 <Supercheese> problem is then the ship leaves and docks repeatedly, triggering the foghorn sound over and over :P 09:10:04 <andythenorth> conditional orders smell of wee 09:10:08 <andythenorth> how do you even make them? 09:10:10 <Supercheese> they kind of do 09:10:13 <andythenorth> they totally baffle me 09:10:23 <Supercheese> they have very limited utility IMO 09:10:55 <Supercheese> a timetable can do much the same thing 09:11:07 <planetmaker> oh, it can't 09:11:19 <Supercheese> certainly not exactly the same thing 09:11:21 <planetmaker> you can balance trains between different routes with conditional orders 09:11:30 <Supercheese> but for what I use them for they can 09:11:35 <Supercheese> which is all of 1 thing :P 09:12:05 <andythenorth> this is a bit less smell of wee https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3818/container_feeder_2.png 09:12:10 <Supercheese> whoops, game crashed 09:12:16 <Supercheese> patchpacks \o/ 09:12:21 <andythenorth> ^^ could go faster at half load 09:12:51 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/publicserver_archive/PublicServerGame_151_Final.sav see there 09:13:21 <Supercheese> refittable capacities: 450t, 450t, 900t 09:13:24 <Supercheese> 450t twice? 09:13:27 <andythenorth> hax 09:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so why again have two refit sizes? 09:14:25 <andythenorth> I'm still not convinced 09:14:52 <andythenorth> "it's useful and interesting" ? 09:15:49 <planetmaker> double capacity... should that not be a different ship? I cannot imagine in any way to send a ship to the docks and refit it to twice its capacity 09:16:02 <andythenorth> container ship it's trivial 09:16:09 <andythenorth> just load more or fewer containers 09:16:09 <Supercheese> load fewer containers 09:16:12 <Supercheese> ninjad 09:16:18 <planetmaker> that's not refit, andythenorth 09:16:20 <andythenorth> no 09:16:22 <planetmaker> that's just not full load 09:16:23 <andythenorth> it's partial load 09:16:47 <Pikka> just need x% load orders :P 09:16:55 <andythenorth> that's what she said 09:16:59 <Pikka> it is 09:17:27 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3821/container_feeder_3.png 09:17:35 <andythenorth> I should lose the extra subtype string 09:18:03 <andythenorth> and make it lower capacity 09:18:05 <Pikka> perhaps 09:18:16 <andythenorth> perhaps which? 09:18:22 <Pikka> perhaps both 09:20:12 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3824/container_feeder_4.png 09:20:19 <andythenorth> I should stop calling it container feeder too 09:20:23 <andythenorth> it's just a small container ship 09:21:22 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:38 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 09:21:59 <peter1138> oh you 09:22:43 <andythenorth> FISH r1k :) 09:23:23 <andythenorth> herp 09:23:34 <andythenorth> BANDIT is r553 and still has shipped absolutely nothing :( 09:23:41 <andythenorth> CHIPS is r230 and is 'done' 09:23:48 <andythenorth> how silly 09:23:52 <Supercheese> Why does it matter? 09:23:59 <andythenorth> it doesn't at all 09:24:05 <andythenorth> I have a number fetish 09:24:25 * Supercheese doesn't even use revision numbers or the devzone (yet, anyway) 09:24:39 <andythenorth> no version control? :O 09:24:45 <Supercheese> not yet 09:24:54 <Supercheese> manual bundling and archival of releases 09:25:01 <Supercheese> past that I cba 09:25:25 <Supercheese> unless this newfangled Newgrf webtranslator is released on the devzone 09:25:38 <Supercheese> then I'll definitely move my stuff there to take use of it :) 09:25:45 <Supercheese> make use* 09:26:19 * Supercheese wonders if Pikka uses version control 09:36:29 <Supercheese> thanks for the help, good night folks 09:36:47 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 09:50:20 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 09:56:31 *** chester_ [~chester@93-80-59-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:01:08 <Pikka> hmm 10:01:25 <Pikka> yes andy, I have your problem with graphics variation and auto-refitting :) 10:03:47 <andythenorth> it smells 10:03:59 <andythenorth> who you gonna call? 10:04:27 <peter1138> know what i hate? 10:04:36 <andythenorth> haters? 10:04:40 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 10:04:44 <peter1138> yes! 10:04:45 <peter1138> also 10:04:53 <andythenorth> scorpions in your shoes? 10:04:58 <Eddi|zuHause> In Theory (tm) you should be able to disable autorefit if it's not the same subtype 10:05:02 <peter1138> i hate it when my earphones cable gets caught on a door handle 10:05:09 <andythenorth> peter1138: that is worse than scorpions 10:05:18 <peter1138> cos those tight-fit earphones HURT when they're wrenched out 10:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> get earphones without cables 10:05:33 <peter1138> yes 10:05:39 <peter1138> i call them earplugs 10:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> we have the technology. 10:05:50 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: disabling autorefit is a terrible feature :) 10:06:02 <andythenorth> it's imho a bug 10:06:28 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i mean partially, not generally 10:06:39 <andythenorth> so do I 10:06:45 <andythenorth> it creates invalid orders 10:07:19 <andythenorth> it's odd that we have 7 pages of daily hate about iGRFs, but creating invalid orders is considered fine :( 10:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i simply won't do subtypes 10:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so i'm not going to research the problem 10:07:41 <Pikka> all we need is 10:07:47 <Pikka> persistent storage for vehicles 10:07:50 <andythenorth> or love 10:08:13 <Pikka> persistent storage would fix everything 10:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: "vehicle views" (superceding cargo subtypes) 10:08:25 <andythenorth> that would probly work too 10:08:45 <peter1138> make it so 10:09:15 <andythenorth> frosch has been threatening to do a spec 10:09:49 <andythenorth> pikka what flavour is your autorefit trouble? 10:10:06 <Pikka> bock scars 10:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the idea was that you can choose for each vehicle whether you can do subtypes (backwards compatible), views that are fixed on construction, and views that can be changed later 10:10:17 <Pikka> which may be reefings or stockcars also 10:10:21 <andythenorth> oh 10:10:23 <andythenorth> oic 10:10:26 <peter1138> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-MM550-X-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B0076NA716/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ce_6 10:10:29 <peter1138> yeah 10:10:32 <peter1138> not cheap ;( 10:10:40 <andythenorth> woah not cheap 10:11:08 <andythenorth> Pikka: reefers are stinky anyway 10:11:13 <andythenorth> and cattle can go in boxcars 10:11:17 <andythenorth> problem solved? 10:11:24 <Pikka> so's your mum 10:11:29 <Pikka> well, most people don't use autorefit 10:11:36 <andythenorth> just don't support it 10:11:36 <Eddi|zuHause> whereof i would use the "fixed" views, to alter the articulated callback 10:11:43 <Pikka> so I guess if you want to use autorefit, you can just put up with graphics changing 10:11:47 <Pikka> no, autorefit is okay 10:11:49 <andythenorth> maybe we just refuse autorefit? 10:12:12 <Pikka> maybe when you "autorefit" the train picks up different wagons in the station or something 10:12:16 <Pikka> who knows? 10:12:29 <andythenorth> I have to solve this for BANDIT 10:12:36 <andythenorth> it's probably ok for trailing vehicles tbh 10:12:40 <andythenorth> not ok for ships :P 10:12:44 <Pikka> yes 10:13:00 <andythenorth> autorefit = switching :) 10:13:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 10:13:34 <andythenorth> bandit articulated trucks wil do it 10:13:37 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: tug+barges just switches the barges? 10:14:07 <andythenorth> plausible 10:14:20 <andythenorth> barges all look same anyway ;) 10:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: container ships can refit to oil, but have much less capacity than similar sized dedicated tankers? 10:15:20 <andythenorth> that's what I've done for general cargo ships yes 10:18:01 <andythenorth> I think Squid is going to be ok 10:18:06 <andythenorth> just need graphics :P 10:19:01 <andythenorth> so when ship holds are done 10:19:05 <andythenorth> I'll have to reinvent it again 10:19:27 <andythenorth> are they done yet? 10:19:33 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause write a spec? 10:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> spec is easy, just use the articulated callback 10:20:56 <Eddi|zuHause> difficult is the UI for refitting "parts" of articulated vehicles 10:21:22 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:02 <andythenorth> well only allow 2 10:22:07 <andythenorth> then just put 2 in the screen 10:22:12 <andythenorth> and make it work with autoreft 10:22:15 <andythenorth> and autoreplace 10:22:18 <andythenorth> and upgrade 10:22:23 <andythenorth> and conditional orders 10:22:43 <andythenorth> :) 10:22:49 <andythenorth> or just buy 2 ships :P 10:22:52 <andythenorth> tmwftlb 10:23:18 * andythenorth -> work 10:23:24 <Pikka> have fun 10:23:26 <andythenorth> nn; 10:23:28 <andythenorth> vvk 10:23:31 <andythenorth> etc 10:23:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> how would "only 2" make anything easier? 10:32:56 <peter1138> 09:30 < Eddi|zuHause> difficult is the UI for refitting "parts" of articulated vehicles 10:33:05 <peter1138> not really, you can already refit parts of vehicle chains 10:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes-ish, you can refit individual wagons, but not parts of wagons or roadvehicles 10:34:45 <peter1138> that just involves making the check for articulated parts optional 10:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but at least with wagons you have a visiual distinction where one starts and the other one ends 10:35:04 <peter1138> well true 10:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> with ships (where all "articulated parts" would be at the same position) you don't have that 10:35:59 <peter1138> pfft, articualted ships is silly 10:36:02 <peter1138> *articulated 10:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly, but all the infrastructure is already there 10:37:37 <planetmaker> it would be easy to just show a boxed compartment-ization for ships and allow refitting those 10:37:40 <planetmaker> but... well 10:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> just have to use it in the "right" way 10:40:12 <peter1138> http://www.seabreezes.co.im/images/content/community/201209/Connector.jpg 10:40:19 <peter1138> yeah, articulated ships 10:42:06 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:27 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 10:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like a sound concept :) 10:45:50 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so let me reiterate: ships use the articulated callback to define "holds". while on the map, all these articulated vehicles have the same position and orientation, which order they get drawn is pseudorandom. in the (refit) GUI, the ship is drawn in a way that visually shows the holds (GRF author's responsibility) and a "length"-ish property defines where to click on to select a hold 10:48:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so e.g. a 128 pixel (32 length-units) ship with 6 holds would get "length" of 8-4-4-4-4-8 10:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause> \__|_|_|_|_|__/ 10:51:27 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, if so, the box graphics should probably be openttd-defined for the articulated parts as in ^line 10:52:01 <planetmaker> and it need not really be different lengths, just different holds 10:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, my imagination was that the refit gui would show an "open" sliced version of the ship 10:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you should be able to do that with var10 (extra_callback_info1) 10:55:08 <__ln__> does anyone think many of Asimov's short stories are a bit weak with their plots? 10:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i never read them 11:03:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 11:05:24 <__ln__> the plot in too many of them seems to be that a robot is malfunctioning and doing something crazy, and ultimately the reason is found out to be that the robot was interpreting a human's instructions too literally. 11:07:27 <planetmaker> I didn't have the impression that this kind of plot is the prevailing one in his short stories 11:07:36 <planetmaker> which anyway are best read as paraboles 11:09:27 <jonty-comp> oh lord, using a separate thread for rendering on the android port does not work well :P 11:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure there are a dozen star trek episodes with the same plot :) 11:15:42 <__ln__> unpossible 11:17:43 <Flygon> No Star Trek episode shall ever repeat Threshold 11:17:48 <Flygon> Ever 11:18:33 <Flygon> __ln__: I read the stories. I get the feeling the plot wasn't the only draw. 11:20:17 <planetmaker> wonder what made you mention threshold... I just added tvscl, image_threshold(image_uppart - bkg_image) 11:20:17 <planetmaker> to my programme ;-) 11:23:09 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:26 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 11:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly was threshold again? 11:25:32 <peter1138> jonty-comp, oh aye? 11:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that was the year when everyone did mystery-scifi? 11:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and none of them succeeded? 11:33:57 <jonty-comp> peter1138: all the moving sprites have massive glitches over them 11:34:03 <jonty-comp> i shall screenshot it! 11:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause> jonty-comp: so you failed to lock the data during drawing? 11:39:19 <jonty-comp> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2749755/openttd-android-render.jpg 11:39:28 <jonty-comp> i'm not a developer, i just installed it :P 11:39:51 <jonty-comp> and the option says "Separate thread for video, may increase FPS on some devices" 11:40:05 <jonty-comp> so i thought "eh, this is a quad-core tegra, i'm sure it won't hurt" 11:40:12 <jonty-comp> as it happens it runs fine without the option anyway 11:40:20 <peter1138> nice 11:42:23 <jonty-comp> SSL protocol error :o 11:42:41 <peter1138> whowhatwhere 11:42:48 <jonty-comp> on my own dropbox link 11:43:07 <jonty-comp> oh, it's okay now 11:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> jonty-comp: i 11:44:15 <jonty-comp> i 11:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause> 'm sure the port is "well tested" 11:44:51 <jonty-comp> i wonder how much modification it has from the original source 11:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, ' is directly next to enter 11:45:32 <jonty-comp> oh yeah, there's a github for it 11:46:04 <jonty-comp> s/github/sourceforge/ 12:08:01 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:15 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 12:47:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:48:05 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:19 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:55:57 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:57 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 13:32:58 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:25 <andythenorth> hmm 13:41:31 <andythenorth> what are 'ports' in FIRS? 13:41:43 <V453000> unicorns 13:42:25 <andythenorth> I've seen them though 13:42:43 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1066895#p1066895 13:42:56 <andythenorth> I'm happy to help, but that question puzzles me :) 13:43:50 *** kormer [~kormer@c-68-55-166-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:02:52 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:08:22 *** copy [0539a9ca@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:08:26 <copy> hello 14:09:09 <copy> has anybody an idea why I can`t buy more than 75% of other companies? 14:09:43 <planetmaker> yup. You can't buy out companies in multiplayer 14:10:15 <copy> ahh okay thanks. was a old saved game ... 14:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it remembers if a company was started by a human, and won't allow buing that out in singleplayer either 14:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> unless it goes bankrupt 14:11:19 <copy> okay thanks 14:11:22 <copy> bye 14:11:30 *** copy [0539a9ca@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 14:15:13 <planetmaker> @ports 14:15:13 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 14:29:07 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:30:11 <dihedral> oi 14:33:02 <peter1138> one for andythenorth http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21432226 14:33:09 <peter1138> oh, he's not here 14:41:00 <oskari89> peter1138: I also thought about sharing that link here :) 14:43:12 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:42 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there's currently a big controversy about deepening the line from the north sea to Hamburg for such beasts... 14:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Hamburg is actually pretty far inland 14:58:46 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 15:10:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF55.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:15:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:47 <andythenorth> I disagree 15:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> who else would... 15:18:33 <peter1138> he's back 15:19:03 <peter1138> we were talking about the article you posted on the bbc 15:23:26 <peter1138> so i got these diamonds 15:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you have Aces as well? 15:24:14 <andythenorth> I like that article 15:24:19 <andythenorth> also I have money in a bank account 15:24:25 <andythenorth> but I need someone to unlock it 15:25:28 <andythenorth> the best 419 scam I've seen 15:25:46 <andythenorth> was claiming to be from the nigerian government agency that refunds victims of 419 scams 15:25:51 <andythenorth> it was genius 15:27:35 <Pinkbeast> That article about container ships is very odd 15:28:08 <andythenorth> hmm 15:28:13 <andythenorth> I should stop reading BBC News 15:28:19 <andythenorth> I mostly just get angry or sad 15:28:24 <andythenorth> let's read Twitter instead 15:28:36 <Pinkbeast> "Bearing in mind that the carbon footprint of international shipping is roughly equivalent to that of aviation ... the prospect of these leviathans carving up the oceans in ever greater numbers is likely to be a source of concern for green consumers." er no because they're enormously more efficient that aviation 15:29:42 <andythenorth> sailing ships 15:33:32 *** Armin79 [5470bfe0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:07 *** Armin79 [5470bfe0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:48:21 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> sailing oceanliners... :) 15:52:47 <peter1138> Pinkbeast, everybody wants locally produced things, but nobody wants to pay the cost of that 15:52:56 <peter1138> therefore, shipping 15:52:59 <peter1138> therefore, ttd 15:53:17 <peter1138> (meanwhile, the beef i get locally is not horse) 15:53:22 <andythenorth> therefore, fun 15:55:03 <Pinkbeast> peter: errr I'm not sure what you're saying that I don't already know 15:55:28 <peter1138> just a random comment 15:56:58 <peter1138> i guess you only listen to sons or watch films or read books once? :p 15:57:11 <peter1138> *songs 15:57:36 <peter1138> fuck little tiny batteries that flip over :S 16:02:08 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare you get beef without horse! it's The Hype right now 16:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you think is environmentally cheaper? locally produced fruit that is stored in a refrigerated warehouse for half a year, or south african fruit that is shipped 10000km? 16:08:08 <peter1138> hence seasonal food 16:13:32 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d082528.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:27 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:41:40 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 17:01:56 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:55 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:16:38 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 17:26:21 *** kormer [~kormer@c-68-55-166-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:29 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 17:38:08 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:52:42 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:26 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:03:34 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:10 <andythenorth> any preferred solution for git-svn? 18:05:21 <andythenorth> or svn-git? 18:06:08 <blathijs> andythenorth: Are you suggesting git-svn is a problem? 18:06:23 <blathijs> Or are you not referring to the piece of software called "git-svn" ? 18:06:24 <andythenorth> it's a thing that needs to be done 18:06:34 <andythenorth> there are a range of tools, git-svn is one 18:06:47 <andythenorth> there are others :P 18:06:55 <andythenorth> looking for recommendations 18:07:01 <blathijs> To do what exactly? 18:07:12 <Pinkbeast> Richard Kettlewell's "vcs" software; http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/vcs/ 18:08:07 <andythenorth> in this case, move an svn repo into git whilst maintaining history 18:08:17 <Pinkbeast> Oh, it's no use for that. 18:08:50 <blathijs> andythenorth: I've used git-svn for that, though I don't know if it is the best tool (It is perfect for using git while the repo stays in svn, though) 18:09:42 <michi_cc> andythenorth: I haven't encountered any problems with the OTTD repo, but it of course doesn't use branching and merging much. Complicated repositories (especially if they don't follow the standard svn layout) will probably require more time to setup and some post conversion fixups. 18:10:13 <michi_cc> andythenorth: http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/git/svn_mirror.git is a straight git-svn clone of the complete OTTD svn. 18:11:05 <planetmaker> andythenorth, hg-subversion :D 18:11:15 <planetmaker> </troll> 18:11:37 <planetmaker> hg convert works nicely. Just tested it last week 18:13:28 *** daz [~daz@77-255-37-84.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:03 <Terkhen> hello 18:15:05 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:18:12 <planetmaker> hi terjesc 18:18:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:17 <planetmaker> hm... hi Terkhen 18:19:24 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:52 *** daz [~daz@77-253-112-236.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 18:23:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:03 <Terkhen> :P 18:25:51 <Terkhen> I should have dropped an additional h at the beginning of my nick 18:28:19 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d114-78-18-160.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:30:27 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:46:07 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:50:41 *** SILVER-Bucket [~marlowe@li490-134.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:53 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:09:14 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:20:58 *** tracerpt [4d565a37@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:21:09 <tracerpt> hi all 19:23:53 <Alberth> hi 19:25:23 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:38 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1960A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:36:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25025 /trunk/src/lang (15 files) (2013-02-19 18:46:18 UTC) 19:36:41 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:36:42 <DorpsGek> dutch - 4 changes by habell 19:36:44 <DorpsGek> english_AU - 9 changes by mrtux 19:36:45 <DorpsGek> english_US - 4 changes by Rubidium 19:36:46 <DorpsGek> esperanto - 13 changes by Asakha 19:36:47 <DorpsGek> finnish - 4 changes by jpx_ 19:36:49 <DorpsGek> french - 4 changes by glx 19:36:50 <DorpsGek> german - 4 changes by planetmaker 19:36:51 <DorpsGek> greek - 1 changes by Evropi 19:36:52 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 4 changes by oklmernok 19:36:53 <DorpsGek> italian - 4 changes by lorenzodv 19:36:54 <DorpsGek> korean - 4 changes by telk5093 19:36:55 <DorpsGek> russian - 4 changes by Lone_Wolf 19:36:56 <DorpsGek> spanish - 9 changes by Terkhen 19:36:57 <DorpsGek> swedish - 6 changes by Joel_A 19:36:58 <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 4 changes by nglekhoi 19:37:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009ff0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25026 trunk/src/lang/italian.txt (2013-02-19 18:52:15 UTC) 19:42:21 <DorpsGek> -Fix: language compile issue 19:43:20 <Alberth> hi :) 19:49:36 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:51:28 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:11 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:57:04 <Supercheese> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/9879331/Armed-robbers-snatch-50m-in-uncut-diamonds-from-Brussels-airport.html 19:57:16 <Supercheese> it's like the movies, but real 19:58:09 <tracerpt> lol 19:58:20 <Rubidium> Supercheese: losers... 19:58:38 <Rubidium> others before have stolen at least 50% more 19:58:49 <Rubidium> (in roughly the same manner) 19:59:17 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:28 <tracerpt> i'm sure they will make it look good in the movie :P 20:00:33 <tracerpt> when it gets made 20:00:37 <peter1138> forums are boring now# 20:00:39 <Supercheese> 180 seconds of action 20:00:42 <Supercheese> boring movie 20:00:43 <peter1138> any drama scheduled? 20:01:06 <Supercheese> peter1138: try Youtube. Or tumblr. Or, well, anywhere really 20:01:20 <Supercheese> Welcome to the Internet, it's mostly cats and drama. 20:01:25 <peter1138> no, they're crap 20:02:12 <Rubidium> peter1138: maybe there's something behind some registration wall 20:02:28 <tracerpt> lol 20:02:43 <tracerpt> i'm browsing thru them before posting some dumb questions 20:03:22 <michi_cc> peter1138: Write about our new grfcrawler search feature, maybe you manage to stir something up ;) 20:03:35 <peter1138> i don't know much about it 20:04:14 <tracerpt> but i've seen loads of dumb questions so I may not need to post at all 20:04:46 <Rubidium> peter1138: "I entered !! in the search terms, then I clicked on search external sites and it does not return anything. Have the OpenTTD devs removed the iGRF files from there as well?" 20:05:32 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:56 <tracerpt> O.o 20:06:35 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:08:31 <frosch123> Rubidium: no, they are intercepted by openttd and filtered from the search results 20:13:55 <peter1138> la la la i can't hear you 20:14:27 <frosch123> isn't that what tb usually says? 20:15:22 <Rubidium> that's why I haven't seen peter1138 and TrueBrain in real life at the same time ;) 20:15:34 <Rubidium> it's possibly the same person 20:15:36 <jonty-comp> dun dun dun 20:16:48 <TrueBrain> I refuse to give any insight in the matter; that is personal. 20:17:35 <frosch123> Rubidium: you make the bold assumptions that they are "persons" 20:17:48 <Supercheese> WHOIS check 20:17:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:02 <Supercheese> that should settle it eh 20:18:16 <TrueBrain> you never used a BNC before, hav eyou? 20:19:05 <andythenorth> oh look it's TrueBrain :) 20:19:33 <TrueBrain> are you sure? 20:20:29 <andythenorth> not in the least 20:20:47 <andythenorth> so 20:21:11 <Supercheese> a needle pulling thread 20:22:54 <frosch123> collecting postage stamps is far better than collecting needles 20:23:57 <Rubidium> Supercheese: where do I live, based on whois? 20:24:09 <Supercheese> it doesn't say where you live 20:24:25 <Supercheese> Just some generic IP and node stuff 20:24:43 <Rubidium> but... what does it tell? 20:25:01 <Supercheese> I was thinking more of comparing the WHOIS results to see if they were identical or close to it 20:25:05 <Supercheese> as opposed to wildly different 20:25:24 <Supercheese> not just checking a single result by itself 20:25:50 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:25:52 *** rubidium_ [~rubidium@5ED087F6.cm-7-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:12 <rubidium_> yes, this looks pretty much not like the whois of Rubidium 20:26:55 <Supercheese> Well there you go, you've spent more effort than I care to :) 20:27:23 <rubidium_> though I couldn't even care enough to make a new user account to prove you wouldn't have guessed until I told you 20:27:38 <Supercheese> of course 20:27:44 *** rubidium_ [~rubidium@5ED087F6.cm-7-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 20:30:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:31:19 <Wolf01> hello :D 20:35:31 <andythenorth> should nmlc report multiple lang files with same ID? 20:35:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25027 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/gaelic.txt (2013-02-19 19:45:26 UTC) 20:35:33 <DorpsGek> -Fix: missing svn properties on Gaelic 20:36:16 <Supercheese> andy: sounds nice 20:36:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25028 /branches/1.3 (7 files in 7 dirs) (2013-02-19 19:46:46 UTC) 20:36:56 <DorpsGek> [1.3] -Backport from trunk: 20:36:57 <DorpsGek> - Feature: Searching of (missing) content via GrfCrawler (r25024, r25023) 20:36:58 <DorpsGek> - Fix: [SDL] Crash after bootstrap download of 32bits base set due to referencing a deleted mutex [FS#5466] (r25017) 20:36:59 <DorpsGek> - Fix: [SDL] Improve 8bpp hardware palette support. Instead of always requesting SDL_HWPALETTE, it is now only done for 8bp blitters in fullscreen mode (r25003, r25002, r24993) 20:38:13 <Rubidium> andythenorth: it shouldn't, or at least it should warn about it 20:42:34 <Supercheese> no warnings for duplicate langids yet 20:42:52 <Alberth> Hi Wold 20:42:56 <Alberth> *Wolf 20:44:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25029 /branches/1.3/src/lang (29 files in 2 dirs) (2013-02-19 19:54:06 UTC) 20:44:13 <DorpsGek> [1.3] -Backport from trunk: language updates 20:46:00 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:52 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25030 branches/1.3/src/lang/tamil.txt (2013-02-19 19:58:46 UTC) 20:48:53 <DorpsGek> [1.3] -Backport from trunk: tamil was upgraded to finished 20:49:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25031 /branches/1.3 (5 files in 4 dirs) (2013-02-19 19:59:08 UTC) 20:49:14 <DorpsGek> [1.3] -Update: documentation 20:54:24 <Wolf01> <Alberth> Hi Wold <- ok, you unmasked me, I'm Woldemort! 20:54:40 <Alberth> :) 20:54:54 <Wolf01> or Wolfemort 20:55:06 <Supercheese> Werewoldemort 20:57:24 <Wolf01> or Wolfmoth 20:58:08 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25032 tags/1.3.0-RC1/ (2013-02-19 20:08:02 UTC) 20:58:09 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.3.0-RC1 21:02:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:16 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:10:19 <Alberth> andythenorth: your nml version checking is broken :) 21:10:27 <andythenorth> :P 21:11:15 <planetmaker> o/ RC! 21:13:24 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 21:13:49 <andythenorth> hmm 21:13:55 <andythenorth> MP GS game to test the RC? :P 21:14:05 * andythenorth is bored :P 21:14:24 <Rubidium> andythenorth: binaries are not done yet 21:14:28 <andythenorth> :( 21:14:33 <andythenorth> neither are my newgrfs :P 21:14:47 <andythenorth> "patience grasshopper" 21:16:42 <frosch123> andythenorth: write an annoucemost post instead :) 21:17:50 <andythenorth> who me? :P 21:17:54 <andythenorth> hang on 21:18:02 <andythenorth> "We've shipped it. Is it good?" 21:18:02 <andythenorth> done 21:18:42 <andythenorth> my announcement posts are...terse http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1066845#p1066845 21:18:52 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-116-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:43 *** tracerpt [4d565a37@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:26:15 <andythenorth> controversial idea 21:26:27 <andythenorth> vehicle sets that suit the climate 21:29:23 <Alberth> snowy wagons and engines above the snow line? 21:31:20 <andythenorth> :) 21:31:23 <andythenorth> snowy ships :P 21:33:24 <Alberth> ice-skating ships :) 21:33:46 <Supercheese> Horse-drawn vehicles on ice 21:33:49 <Supercheese> slip slide 21:37:41 <andythenorth> hovercraft 21:39:40 <andythenorth> who speaks welsh? 21:40:28 <andythenorth> or swedish> 21:40:30 <andythenorth> or slovak? 21:41:00 <NGC3982> I speak Swedish. 21:41:06 * Supercheese speaks English, Spanish, and Latin 21:41:30 <andythenorth> NGC3982: can you fix a FIRS string? 21:42:03 <NGC3982> That depends on what it contains. I guess translation wont be any fuss, if that's your poison. 21:42:17 <NGC3982> Just tell me what to do :) 21:43:04 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2129/ 21:43:08 <andythenorth> swedish string is outdated 21:43:14 <andythenorth> it should now be three strings, as per english 21:46:02 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-113.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 21:51:38 <NGC3982> andythenorth: I notice that the old string uses "t" for man supplies, but crates in the new one. I think i need to know how you translate "crates" in other instances of FIRS, in Swedish. 21:52:19 <NGC3982> I could just translate it, but i guess you want consistency. 21:52:27 <andythenorth> it looks like we don't afaict 21:52:42 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/lang/swedish.lng 21:52:48 <andythenorth> translation might be outdated somewhat 21:52:53 <NGC3982> Ill look for it. 21:52:54 <NGC3982> THanks 21:53:15 <andythenorth> should be same as what OpenTTD does with 'crates' for goods 21:53:34 <NGC3982> "STR_CARGO_UNIT_ENGINEERING_SUPPLIES" + ":{SIGNED_WORD} låd{P 0 a or} med ingenjörsmateriel" 21:53:37 <NGC3982> (Y) 21:54:38 <NGC3982> As with the old translation, the word "delivered" should really be added for cinsistency and ..logic. 21:54:55 <NGC3982> cinsistency \o/ 21:55:48 <Rubidium> andythenorth: the binaries are done 21:56:04 <andythenorth> :) 21:56:08 <andythenorth> too late for GS? 21:57:59 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:44 <NGC3982> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2131/ 22:06:57 <andythenorth> bah 22:07:00 <andythenorth> nginx crashed :P 22:07:06 <NGC3982> Please note the old string on row 1. 22:09:21 <andythenorth> I can't see the paste due to devzone pastebin dying :) 22:09:23 <andythenorth> sorry :P 22:09:35 <NGC3982> Oh, i can always paste somewhere else. 22:10:05 <NGC3982> http://justpaste.it/20ut 22:14:42 <andythenorth> NGC3982: thanks :) http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/942eba8bb504 22:16:59 <NGC3982> Though, please note that "Cargo production" is a word that should be permanently changed in the Swedish translation, if used somewhere else. 22:17:16 <NGC3982> "Lastproduktion" is a literal translation, and does not really exist as a used term. 22:17:40 <Wolf01> 'night 22:17:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:17:45 <NGC3982> I can take a look after it in the diff. 22:19:40 <NGC3982> ..It is everywhere in the diff. 22:20:17 * NGC3982 takes this with a higher power. 22:20:40 <jonty-comp> i don't think praying will help 22:21:02 <frosch123> night 22:21:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009ff0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:45 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-169-201.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:13 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:50:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:55:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF55.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:41 <andythenorth> optional end tags in html 5 22:56:43 <andythenorth> madness :) 22:57:40 <peter1138> stupid 22:59:28 <jonty-comp> what 22:59:33 <jonty-comp> that can't be a thing D: 22:59:41 <peter1138> yea 23:00:04 <peter1138> that's why it's not xhtml 23:00:18 <peter1138> too hard for the plebs 23:00:42 <andythenorth> that's 14 years of instinctive end-tag closing I have to overcome now :P 23:00:50 <andythenorth> it does look better for <li> 23:00:58 <jonty-comp> or you could just carry on closing tags like a good boy 23:01:02 <andythenorth> yes 23:01:10 <andythenorth> it's not even clear what we're supposed to do 23:01:18 <andythenorth> standard w3c crap 23:01:28 <peter1138> dont deliberately miss them 23:01:28 * jonty-comp needs to apply for a new SSL certificate but keeps forgetting 23:01:39 <andythenorth> the thing is 23:01:44 <andythenorth> if html 6 brings back end tags 23:01:48 <andythenorth> that's a crapload of code to fix 23:02:06 <andythenorth> not closing <p> is bonkers 23:02:08 <peter1138> end tags aren't wrong 23:02:17 <andythenorth> no 23:02:25 <peter1138> they just left it too lenient 23:02:29 <andythenorth> but why bother if you don't have to? o_O 23:02:37 <andythenorth> ^ and this is how we got PHP 23:03:28 <andythenorth> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=15x8GLV6 23:03:36 <peter1138> ^ and this is how we got reality tv 23:03:36 <andythenorth> ^ on the one hand it's kind of neat 23:03:42 <andythenorth> and otoh, <shudder> 23:03:51 <andythenorth> it's all unbalanced :P 23:04:33 <peter1138> dont do it 23:05:51 <andythenorth> is there any good reason, besides ugliness? 23:06:04 <andythenorth> and I have to write valid xhtml by day 23:06:12 <jonty-comp> i hope <shudder> isn't a tag 23:06:21 <andythenorth> it should be closed if it 23:06:22 <andythenorth> is 23:06:36 <andythenorth> otherwise I'm still rendering shudder 23:06:40 <andythenorth> which will be boring 23:06:41 <jonty-comp> otherwise you would end up with the html5 equivalent of parkinsons 23:06:46 <andythenorth> it should be a tag 23:06:52 <andythenorth> I should go to sleep 23:06:58 <andythenorth> where is pikka pops? 23:07:07 <andythenorth> he should get up around ow 23:07:08 <andythenorth> now 23:08:38 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:09:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 23:34:41 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:58 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:41:38 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:06 <Bad_Brett> Helllooo 23:56:38 *** MinchinWeb [~6034fac3@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:41 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-169-201.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:44 <Bad_Brett> anybody? 23:57:52 <Bad_Brett> it's awfully quiet here...