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00:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's awfully night here... 00:28:34 <Terkhen> good night 00:28:44 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 00:33:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1960A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:43:04 *** chester_ [~chester@93-80-59-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:49 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04f98a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:56:50 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-5d85477a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:33 *** DabuYu [DoubleYou@128.250.79.165] has joined #openttd 01:08:26 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 01:17:13 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20:59 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-113.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:23:38 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 01:23:43 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:24:51 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 02:00:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d082528.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:16 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082528.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 02:21:07 *** planetmaker changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.2.3, 1.3.0-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 02:24:10 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:03:25 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 04:22:58 *** Biolunar_ [~mahdi@blfd-4d08236f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:30:08 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082528.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:02 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 05:43:13 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-7-159.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:56:55 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:34 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:13:31 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 06:24:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BD48.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:46:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD54C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:46:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:51:45 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 08:03:29 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:18:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:27:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:33:12 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:39 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:53:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 09:03:33 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BD48.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:35 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:00 *** DrZoidzerg [~chris@124-168-103-196.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:38:34 <andythenorth> Pikka got industries yet? o_O 09:48:36 <Pikka> notyet D: 09:49:00 <Pikka> distracted by 10cc :) 09:49:10 <Pikka> I suppose I need industries to test my wagons though 09:49:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:13 <andythenorth> I want to see the style :) 09:50:20 <andythenorth> "so you must do it" 09:50:21 <andythenorth> :P 09:50:31 <andythenorth> it's nice to have encouragement eh? 09:51:18 <Pikka> the graphic style or the production style? :) 09:51:58 <andythenorth> graphic 09:52:07 <Pikka> o 09:52:13 <Pikka> 0% done, then :) 09:57:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:57:09 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 10:01:58 *** Tvel1 [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 10:03:06 <planetmaker> quickly bored :D Moin 10:05:09 <Flygon> Huomenta 10:05:15 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:45 * Pikka bbs 10:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> GrÌtze (i don't think i spelled that right :p) 11:07:44 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:13:48 <Pikka> yebbut 11:23:10 <Pikka> so 11:23:17 <Pikka> I should render these industries, right? 11:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause> 64BPPEZOMH! 11:25:18 <Eddi|zuHause> errr 11:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 64BPPEZOMG! 11:25:36 <peter1138> what 11:25:50 <Pikka> 3d model and render 11:26:13 <peter1138> and fix ottd's movement code while you're at it 11:26:29 <Pikka> it needs fixing? :) 11:26:49 <peter1138> http://pikkarail.com/openttd/a-matter-of-perspective/ 11:26:51 <peter1138> some guy wrote that 11:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> errr... did that guy really just dig a 9 year old topic? :p 11:28:18 <Pikka> I said it was not strictly "correct" 11:28:23 <Pikka> I didn't say it needed fixing :) 11:28:49 <Pikka> and the problems with rendering only apply to trains and rvs 11:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you have animated trains or rvs on your industries? 11:30:38 <peter1138> rip out the engine 11:30:40 <peter1138> and make it 3d 11:30:46 <peter1138> should be easy 11:31:12 <peter1138> draw it with perspective 11:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and with fog of war :) 11:36:19 *** Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:37:35 *** Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:34 <jonty-comp> make the sprites render at runtime 11:43:45 <jonty-comp> then newgrfs are just a bunch of 3ds files 11:43:53 <peter1138> sprites? 11:44:01 <peter1138> direct3d all the way 11:47:35 <jonty-comp> how platform-specific 11:58:18 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:36 <Pikka> hmm 12:04:47 <Pikka> perhaps I should start with ground tiles 12:04:49 <Pikka> and roads 12:04:50 <Pikka> and rails 12:05:08 <Pikka> and trees 12:07:18 <dihedral> hello 12:10:59 *** DrZoidzerg [~chris@124-168-103-196.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:17:12 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-54.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:23:10 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-7-159.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:25 <Pokka> yes I know 12:23:27 *** Pokka is now known as Pikka 12:24:13 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:25 <andythenorth> Pikka: render industries :p 12:26:29 <andythenorth> rendering is for ships :P 12:26:35 <Pikka> o 12:26:40 <andythenorth> but I guess rendering means you get EZ zupport 12:26:47 <andythenorth> and map rotation zupport 12:26:49 <peter1138> like av8 12:26:54 <peter1138> that has EZ support 12:26:56 <peter1138> cos it's rendered 12:28:11 <Pikka> yes 12:41:37 <Pikka> is it possible to have too much worcestershire sauce en pie? 12:47:25 <andythenorth> how big is pie? 12:48:00 <andythenorth> if there is more sauce than other content 12:48:02 <andythenorth> you have too much 12:48:17 <Pikka> hum 12:48:37 <Pikka> shut up eccles 13:02:07 <planetmaker> hm, nice. Debian has even dropbox in its repo 13:33:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:45 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:39:11 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 14:10:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:47 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:32:56 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:00 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:57:56 *** Tvel1 [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel1] 14:57:59 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 15:01:02 <goodger> planetmaker: it's only the nautilus extension for dropbox iirc 15:11:04 <Belugas> hello 15:12:45 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 15:13:07 <planetmaker> goodger, it's good enough so that I have my dropbox folder now here 15:13:35 <planetmaker> synced with what is in it on my other machines 15:13:38 <goodger> aha 15:14:30 <Belugas> sir maker! 15:14:30 <planetmaker> complained once that dropbox is started from an "unusual location", but so what :D 15:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it's always unusual for the first time :p 15:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> could use an option to open the dropbox folder in dolphin, though 15:21:03 <jonty-comp> watching people at my uni do a harlem shake over a cctv camera 15:21:07 <jonty-comp> it's a bit surreal 15:23:57 <Pikka> I didn't even know what this is 15:24:16 <Pikka> I find it amusing that the world is imitating drongos from caboolture though 15:24:41 <jonty-comp> i don't really see the point of the whole thing 15:24:53 <jonty-comp> apparently students just like any excuse to dress up in stupid outfits 15:27:19 <peter1138> sparkleshare! 15:27:39 <peter1138> like dropbox but self-hosted (or rather, git-hosted) 15:27:56 <jonty-comp> i want something like sparkleshare but to work off my home directories at work 15:28:08 <jonty-comp> so anyone can log in like they would to ssh and get dropbox-style sync 15:28:22 <jonty-comp> but last time i checked sparkleshare was too much of a pain in the ass to do that 15:33:16 <peter1138> they make it a bit complex 15:33:29 <peter1138> with the magic script to set up a server 15:33:38 <peter1138> i just used git init --bare myself 15:49:48 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:00:13 <planetmaker> that works for me. But tell that and explain to the average joe 16:00:36 <planetmaker> it needs something which is like one click install and ready to go 16:00:46 <planetmaker> on any system they might use, mostly windoze 16:01:02 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:49 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-54.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:07:03 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:11 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-54.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:08 <peter1138> is chillcore suggesting speeding up the game by ... hiding vehicle viewports? 16:13:37 <Pokka> correct, 10 points 16:18:03 <jonty-comp> hmph 16:18:19 <jonty-comp> my SSL enforcer sent me to secure.openttd.org, but the CSS is on media.openttd.org, so chrome blocks it :( 16:18:53 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:20:37 <peter1138> so don't use it 16:20:51 <peter1138> or use a version which doesn't incorrectly list openttd 16:21:10 <jonty-comp> well it auto-detects 16:21:30 <jonty-comp> when you visit a http site it looks to see if it gets the same reply from https and if it does, it sends you there 16:21:39 <jonty-comp> i can however tell it to ignore this 16:21:44 <peter1138> that's silly 16:21:44 <jonty-comp> seeing as it hardly matters anyway 16:23:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BD48.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:52 <jonty-comp> although i see that https://media.openttd.org/ redirects to https://secure.openttd.org/media/ 16:24:04 <jonty-comp> so if you made the CSS/image links protocol-relative then it would solve the problem :p 16:25:38 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:48 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-54.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:52 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:08 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 16:47:10 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:40 <planetmaker> jonty-comp, it's known to be broken. maybe there's a rule update for that. But... it's stupid and not OpenTTD's fault as that plugin rewrites the URL, not OpenTTD. Not much which can be done about 16:50:31 <jonty-comp> well it's only broken because of chrome blocking the insecure content 16:50:43 <jonty-comp> quite rightly too 16:50:57 <jonty-comp> but i suppose it beats you buying more security certificates :P 16:52:22 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: the main problem is that media.openttd.org isn't a relative path from www.openttd.org, server.openttd.org, bugs.openttd.org, ... 16:52:58 <jonty-comp> i believe i have the same issue on radio.warwick.ac.uk, since we have a media subdomain 16:53:33 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:56 <jonty-comp> i could update the files to reference "//media.radio.warwick.ac.uk" and it would use whatever protocol the rest of the page is, but i don't have an SSL certificate for it 16:54:07 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 16:54:26 <Rubidium> does that work? 16:54:31 <jonty-comp> yes 16:54:36 <jonty-comp> well, it would if i had the certificate 16:54:51 <jonty-comp> see https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=63092#p1066930 17:00:24 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:00:47 *** Wuzzy [~Wuzzy@0001b11e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:56 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: does it work better now? 17:02:15 <jonty-comp> yes! 17:02:25 <jonty-comp> although it blocks the OVH banner, i don't know if they do SSL too 17:02:35 <jonty-comp> apparently they do 17:03:40 <Rubidium> I rather not touch that snippet of code ;) 17:03:45 <jonty-comp> heh 17:03:59 <Rubidium> if they complain it doesn't work, then the code they provided doesn't work 17:04:14 <jonty-comp> touché 17:05:09 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 17:06:13 <Rubidium> it's quite pointless to go to the main site with ssl 17:06:22 <Rubidium> it only wastes CPU, bandwidth and such 17:07:07 <jonty-comp> i usually disable the ssl enforcer on sites like openttd.org 17:07:24 <jonty-comp> there are a surprising number of big sites that don't use SSL for lots of user-input though 17:09:57 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:47 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:15 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:23:33 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:28:41 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-155-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:48 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:25 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-193-202.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:43:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:26 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:57:01 <Terkhen> hello 17:57:10 <andythenorth> lo Terkhen 17:59:23 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:34 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:01:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:22 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-192-121.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:28:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008f6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:59 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:13 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:55:09 * frosch123 enjoys posting suggestions in the suggestion forum :) 19:07:34 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:01 <peter1138> composite to an opengl surface 19:18:04 <peter1138> texture 19:18:06 <peter1138> whatever 19:18:16 <peter1138> when render the final stuff with opengl 19:18:21 <peter1138> therefore, opengl support! ftw! 19:18:50 <peter1138> but yeah, memory usage... 19:20:33 <frosch123> who cares about memory usage since 32bpp? 19:20:54 <jonty-comp> that one person who insists on keeping his windows 2000 computer 19:21:07 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:54 <frosch123> @calc 1920*1050*4 19:22:54 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 8064000 19:23:15 <frosch123> i guess even w2k has no issue supporting multiple small viewports 19:23:39 <frosch123> but yes, if spawn 100 extra viewports you run into trouble :p 19:24:17 <frosch123> what do window manager do if you open 100 windows? 19:24:23 <frosch123> do they just run out of memory? 19:24:33 <frosch123> someone wants to try that? :p 19:24:34 <peter1138> usually yeah 19:24:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19097.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:49 <peter1138> i had a bug on one system where pressing f1 in gnome-terminal would open the help 19:24:53 <peter1138> and then open the help 19:24:55 <peter1138> and then open the help 19:24:57 <peter1138> and then open the help 19:24:58 <peter1138> and then open the help 19:25:00 <peter1138> and then open the help 19:25:08 <frosch123> only 5 times? 19:25:25 <peter1138> usually got to about 80 windows before i could switch to a text mode and kill it off 19:25:25 <jonty-comp> years ago i wrote a batch file to open TTDPatch 19:25:30 <jonty-comp> and for some reason i made it loop 19:25:35 <jonty-comp> and it opened 150 TTDPatches 19:25:36 <peter1138> and then the wm would usually need to be restarted too 19:25:40 <jonty-comp> before my computer bluescreened 19:26:02 <peter1138> gotta love windows' solution 19:35:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25033 /trunk/src/lang (6 files) (2013-02-20 18:45:45 UTC) 19:35:58 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:35:59 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 4 changes by KorneySan 19:36:00 <DorpsGek> bulgarian - 8 changes by ivanarj 19:36:01 <DorpsGek> catalan - 9 changes by arnau 19:36:02 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 11 changes by cuthbert 19:36:03 <DorpsGek> polish - 2 changes by wojteks86 19:36:04 <DorpsGek> tamil - 32 changes by aswn 19:39:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:48:38 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:53:54 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:54:20 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:56 <andythenorth> @seen flherne 20:03:56 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: flherne was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 22 hours, 37 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <FLHerne> andythenorth: Different settings, and competetiveness - normally I try to use every vehicle at least once :D 20:06:14 <andythenorth> @seen alberth 20:06:14 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: alberth was last seen in #openttd 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Alberth> ice-skating ships :) 20:06:29 <andythenorth> where are people I need to talk to? :) 20:17:27 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 20:19:04 <oskari89> @seen DanMacK 20:19:05 <DorpsGek> oskari89: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all 20:19:25 <Supercheese> Wwwwow, was that an 8.5-year thread necromance?! 20:19:36 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=8180#p1067047 20:19:42 <Supercheese> Woooow* 20:20:09 <Supercheese> 3,122 days 20:22:06 <oskari89> What was the 32-bit base set, was it available from BaNaNaS? 20:22:13 *** MinchinWeb [~6034fac3@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:26:01 <Bad_Brett> hello friends 20:26:03 <Rubidium> have you tried entering 32 in the search terms? 20:26:29 <andythenorth> in scenario editor, does industry construction try all layouts? 20:26:39 <andythenorth> I have a FIRS bug report that suggests it might not 20:27:07 <oskari89> Rubidium: Only 8/32bpp Trains 2CC available 20:27:20 <Rubidium> then your openttd is too old 20:27:44 <oskari89> No, it's 1.3.0-RC1 20:27:53 <Rubidium> or you selected the only content from the newgrf window 20:27:59 <Rubidium> s/only/online/ 20:28:19 <oskari89> Oh, thanks, found :) 20:28:46 <oskari89> 273 MiB O_o 20:29:11 <oskari89> Seems to be the largest file from BaNaNas yet 20:29:24 <Rubidium> yes 20:29:29 <Rubidium> but what else did you expect? 20:29:58 <oskari89> Nothing, just thought that it might be smaller :P 20:31:11 <Bad_Brett> is there a max file size? 20:32:03 <Rubidium> 5 times as bits per pixel (rgba+mask), one layer with 1x zoom, 2x zoom (4x as many pixels), 4x zoom (16x as many pixels) -> so easily 20*5 times as big -> 100 times bigger than opengfx 20:33:14 <Rubidium> opengfx is like 3.5 MiB, so 350 MiB wouldn't be odd for zBase 20:34:29 <Bad_Brett> and if you include 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 levels it will be even bigger... 20:34:31 <Rubidium> Bad_Brett: yes, it roughly equivalent to the free size on the server's disk 20:35:27 <Bad_Brett> alright 20:35:31 <Bad_Brett> haha 20:36:49 <oskari89> How large is that server's disk anyway? 20:36:50 <Rubidium> Bad_Brett: but insignificant: 0.25+0.0625+0.015625 (=~1/3), which would account to at most 2% and then there's 1% for the actual opengfx (as fallback sprites) 20:37:26 <Rubidium> s/disk/volume used for binaries/ ;) 20:37:43 <Rubidium> I think there's a TB disk in it or so 20:38:08 <MinchinWeb> So can someone explain the difference between the two train acceleration models to me? I'm making a train set and some of the trains never hit full speed with realistic acceleration and I'd like to fix that 20:38:52 <andythenorth> just give them more power 20:39:03 <Rubidium> one is based on physics, the other on... well... something in Chris' head I guess 20:39:27 <Bad_Brett> haha 20:40:01 <andythenorth> http://www.alkrug.vcn.com/rrfacts/hp_te.htm 20:40:07 <MinchinWeb> is it just straight up HP, or do I need to play with weight or TE? 20:40:07 <andythenorth> also http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=47105&start=0 20:42:51 <andythenorth> f 20:42:54 <andythenorth> ? 20:42:56 <andythenorth> oops 20:43:04 <andythenorth> mal-typed 20:43:29 <andythenorth> if alberth turns up, see if you can persuade him that valid xhtml is far nicer than html 5 20:43:33 <andythenorth> for web translator project 20:43:38 * andythenorth has to go to the pub 20:43:40 <andythenorth> hard times 20:47:42 <michi_cc> MinchinWeb: TE mostly controls acceleration from a stop, HP is more important for top speed, as is the air drag coefficient. 20:48:27 <andythenorth> bye 20:48:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:48:38 <MinchinWeb> so no that we really care about realism, but what are 'normal' values to set the TE coefficient and Air drag coefficient at? 20:50:10 <frosch123> the specs list some default value for air drag 20:50:18 <frosch123> te is something between 5% and 25% 20:50:25 <frosch123> for trains 20:56:25 <michi_cc> Modern electrics with AC motors usually go up to 30%. 20:57:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:06 <MinchinWeb> so what were steam locos rated at for TE coeffients? 21:11:20 <oskari89> zBase seems a little bit untextured 21:11:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:40 <oskari89> And seas/rivers have no animation 21:12:14 <oskari89> 8bpp FTW 21:13:33 <frosch123> MinchinWeb: just use 0.2 * (powered axles) / (total number of axles) 21:13:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-221-191.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:14:16 <frosch123> replace 0.2 with 0.3 for modern engines with electronic systems to increase te 21:15:13 <MinchinWeb> ok thanks! 21:19:23 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:34 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:15 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:49 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:52:48 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:23 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:28 <oskari89> Who did Logic Train? 22:00:46 <Rubidium> Spock? 22:00:51 <oskari89> It has a maximum speed of 1233 kph regardless of parameter setting 22:01:44 <oskari89> Ammler, V453000? 22:01:57 <oskari89> Should be fixed 22:02:00 *** pjpe [ae5f38bd@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 22:03:06 <oskari89> Parameters read 0 35000 at newgrf settings window, and when clicking set parameters, the second parameter changes, not the first one 22:03:30 <oskari89> And first one sets the speed... (?) 22:03:41 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:41 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 22:11:41 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 22:21:06 <V453000> that is rather strange :d 22:21:13 <oskari89> Yes 22:21:32 <oskari89> It worked in some version but nowadays it doesn't 22:22:27 <oskari89> Logic engine 0.6 worked well 22:22:31 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-170-113.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:22:43 <LordAro> heyo 22:23:30 <oskari89> And there is only one parameter configured on that Logic Train 0.6, manually (number of parametres, set parameter amount) 22:24:15 <oskari89> Seems that 0.7 somehow skips the first parameter and leaves it zero 22:25:06 <frosch123> night 22:25:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008f6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:32 <Bad_Brett> Hey Aro! 22:25:44 <oskari89> V453000: Try yourself using 1.3.0 RC1? 22:26:58 <V453000> I will check it 22:27:17 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:45 <LordAro> hai Bad_Brett! 22:30:23 <Bad_Brett> hai? you sound like tommy wiseau 22:31:17 <Bad_Brett> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mMyV2YQgAA 22:31:21 <Bad_Brett> best movie ever 22:38:24 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:38:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:22 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:49:23 <V453000> oskari89: fixed, on fruit market 22:58:16 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 23:00:40 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:01:14 <oskari89> Thanks :) 23:05:57 <V453000> reward for reporting :P 23:06:16 <oskari89> No problem :) 23:06:37 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 23:09:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C79F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:11:27 <oskari89> V453000: Can't set power over 32000? 23:11:44 <V453000> no? 23:11:59 <V453000> it would just overflow anyway 23:12:05 <oskari89> Ok. 23:12:23 <V453000> hm documentation says 65k 23:12:36 <V453000> but that I set originally and it overflowed twice so it gave 32000 again 23:12:57 <oskari89> Ok, you should correct that :) 23:13:02 <oskari89> That documentation :) 23:13:24 <oskari89> "Up to 65000" 23:14:07 <V453000> I mean this documentation http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles 23:14:58 <oskari89> Yep :P 23:15:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:16:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BD48.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19097.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:09 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 23:27:50 <NGC3982> tommy wiseau <3. 23:40:19 <Terkhen> good night 23:58:01 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-170-113.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]