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00:09:03 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 00:24:56 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-159-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:37:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:49:30 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04c72b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:50:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:30 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04e9ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:50 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:09:51 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 01:16:00 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:01 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 01:48:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:58 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08e1ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 02:02:04 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:42:41 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:03 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 03:32:37 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:30 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:58:11 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:58:46 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:06:11 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 05:06:52 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has joined #openttd 05:07:08 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:42ad] has quit [Quit: brb] 05:09:03 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:42ad] has joined #openttd 05:12:40 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 05:12:48 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:12:49 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 05:37:43 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd 05:50:41 *** tracerpt [5766760b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:50:46 <tracerpt> morning 05:50:53 <tracerpt> anyone around? 06:09:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.55] has joined #openttd 06:15:34 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 06:15:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.163.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:29:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:33:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.55] has joined #openttd 06:46:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD55CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:46:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67AD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:15 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:23 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:49 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:09 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd 07:21:57 <Supercheese> Hmm, can you use switches/if/other ways to select between replace blocks in NML? E.g. to make base sprites year-dependent? 07:22:50 <Supercheese> Seems like NARoads does that 07:22:53 <Supercheese> in NFO of course 07:23:24 <Rubidium> yes-ish... but... it depends on the time-of-load, or for network games the time-of-start 07:23:54 <Supercheese> I recall problems about the replacements not dynamically updating as the year progresses, but requiring a save/reload 07:24:23 <Supercheese> that seems like a minor problem, though 07:26:23 <Rubidium> anyhow, it's not much more different than changing blocks of sprites for different climates, but instead of the climate check you do a year check 07:27:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:23 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:30 <Supercheese> So just wrap in an if-statement like http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-landscape/repository/entry/src/temperate.pnml 07:29:50 <Supercheese> Checking current_year 07:30:05 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:07 <Rubidium> yes 07:30:30 <Supercheese> All righty, easy enough 07:32:09 <Supercheese> How about bridges? 07:32:27 <Supercheese> Oh wait no NML bridges 07:32:35 <Supercheese> nevermind 07:33:28 <Supercheese> Hmm, maybe m4nfo does bridges 07:33:41 <tracerpt> :O 07:33:54 <Supercheese> Doesn't look like it 07:33:54 <tracerpt> there is life in here 07:33:58 <tracerpt> :) 07:34:09 <Supercheese> Oh, maybe it does 07:34:23 <Supercheese> Just no documentation? @_@ 07:40:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25054 trunk/config.lib (2013-02-28 06:51:45 UTC) 07:41:52 <DorpsGek> -Document: the *FLAGS_BUILD in configure 07:43:34 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:45:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r25055 /branches/1.3 (5 files in 3 dirs) (2013-02-28 06:55:22 UTC) 07:45:33 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.3] -Backport from trunk: 07:45:34 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Refactor Script Debug GUI to only set widget states in OnInvalidateData [FS#5490] (r25052) 07:45:35 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Do not let gcc include files from the "standard C" include directories; newer gcc/libc seem to otherwise automatically include some header files at the top of the preprocessed nfo files which causes NFOrenum/GRFcodec to make invalid assumptions about the NFO version (r25050) 07:45:36 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Minimise gaps feature caused removal to only happen at the signal build interval instead of the implicit interval of 1 [FS#5479] (r25038) 07:45:37 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 07:52:12 <peter1138> herpaderpa 07:57:59 *** DabuYu [DoubleYou@128.250.79.165] has quit [] 07:59:47 *** tracerpt [5766760b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:09:39 <peter1138> Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 59th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3179 08:09:56 <peter1138> i'm so glad that we still have this very useful tool 08:11:16 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:14:49 <Rubidium> ah... now I know why the pope stops on the 28th of february. Pope Hilarius stopped on the 28th of february as well 08:18:07 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 08:22:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:22:37 <andythenorth> hola 08:22:38 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:33:33 *** pauska [eps@195.0.236.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:14 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:45:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wlan132097.mobiel.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:43 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:49:57 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 09:15:39 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:23:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:38 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 09:32:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:33:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:55:33 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-54.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:56:11 <Pokka> nola 09:57:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.172.10] has joined #openttd 09:58:23 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 09:59:04 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:01 *** codl [~codl@codl.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:11 *** codl [~codl@codl.fr] has joined #openttd 10:09:24 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:12:30 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-131-147-56.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:16:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:56 <Supercheese> zzz 1:30 AM 10:23:09 <andythenorth> Sleepycheese 10:23:16 <Supercheese> Indeed 10:24:11 <heffer> 10:30 am 10:24:14 <heffer> in the office 10:24:43 <andythenorth> it's midnight somewhere 10:25:04 <andythenorth> peter1138: is it done yet, your secret? 10:25:24 <andythenorth> none of my stuff is done, ever :P 10:25:33 <Supercheese> CHIPS? 10:25:41 <Supercheese> I distinctly recall that being 'done' 10:26:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.172.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:10 <andythenorth> oh yes 10:26:12 <andythenorth> maybe it is 10:26:24 <andythenorth> oh 10:26:25 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/issues 10:26:26 <andythenorth> not :( 10:27:05 <Supercheese> Well, perhaps before Jan 15 it was ;) 10:27:10 <andythenorth> also no grain cargo support 10:27:30 <andythenorth> maybe a silo of some kind 10:27:56 <Supercheese> TBH, I don't like open piles of cargo around, I mostly use buildings/tanks/bins/etc. 10:28:06 <Supercheese> Stacks of boxes are fine though, for goods 10:28:36 <Supercheese> but the CHIPS tiles blend so well 10:29:25 <andythenorth> I want an indicator of too much cargo waiting 10:29:35 <andythenorth> grain silo, with overflow on the ground 10:29:36 <Supercheese> Well, reviewing this game, actually the piles for stuff is used a lot 10:29:44 <Supercheese> coal, iron ore, wood 10:29:56 <V453000> Somebody was making a CHIPNUTS enhancement, but Somebody hasnt been seen in a while :d 10:30:12 <Supercheese> There was one cargo I didn't like sitting around in piles, hmm 10:30:35 <Supercheese> D'oh, invalid chunk size 10:30:39 <Supercheese> Patchpacks :S 10:30:41 <andythenorth> V453000: just fork it 10:30:45 <andythenorth> it's a simple set ;) 10:31:07 <Supercheese> Now I have to remember which version I used :V 10:31:18 <andythenorth> I like your graphics, but I don't know if they fit what I want for NUTS, and we could debate it, but then we're wasting time talking, not making :D 10:31:25 <andythenorth> NUTS / CHIPS /s :P 10:32:23 <andythenorth> basically CHIPS is the only thing I've made that I'm happy with and I don't want to unpick it ;) 10:32:28 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:25 <Supercheese> Ah, CHIPS iron ore piles 10:35:37 <Supercheese> they unfortunately don't match ISR (and other set) iron ore piles 10:36:10 <Supercheese> Scratch other sets, I guess only ISR 10:36:38 <planetmaker> andythenorth, adding NUTS cargos surely could be done directly in CHIPS, no? 10:36:47 <planetmaker> i.e. having the graphics supplied? 10:36:58 <Supercheese> coal is fine 10:37:44 <Supercheese> lumber sprites are same as ISR 10:38:53 <andythenorth> planetmaker: they could, but then choices have to be made 10:38:59 <Supercheese> seems like it was just iron ore I didn't like 10:39:11 <Supercheese> of course just my opinion :P 10:39:21 <andythenorth> making choices is work ;) 10:39:31 <Supercheese> anyway, good night 10:39:51 <andythenorth> also bye 10:39:52 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331]] 10:39:55 * andythenorth -> work 10:39:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:42:27 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:45:45 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:50:34 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-131-147-56.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:52:22 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:53:16 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:38 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-59-87.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:29 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:40:22 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82045c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:35 <dihedral> hello 11:55:26 <peter1138> `hi 12:07:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.10] has joined #openttd 12:24:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:28:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 12:43:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:53:46 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 13:01:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:04 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 13:12:10 *** goodger [~ben@host86-166-165-94.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:15:41 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:16:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has left #openttd [] 13:23:19 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.191.21] has joined #openttd 13:36:18 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:37:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67AD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:01:56 *** Pol [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:18 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@eduroam-23.felk.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 14:32:08 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:07 <peter1138> or not 14:45:45 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:47:13 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 14:49:40 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:53:19 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:44 <wakou2> :) 14:53:59 <wakou2> A brief vist! 14:54:04 <peter1138> surely no 14:54:42 <peter1138> hmm, i see, a fair amount of comings & goings 14:59:17 <wakou2> :) 15:00:00 <wakou2> Do you know Peter, why electric trains are not available in arctic climate? 15:09:32 <peter1138> that's how TTD was made 15:10:00 <planetmaker> wakou2, "just because". If you use NewGRFs which supply electrical trains in arctic, then they will be available 15:10:18 <planetmaker> by default electrical trains are *only* available in temperate 15:15:31 <wakou2> planetmaker: TY, I was just wondering.. 15:25:54 <peter1138> brrr, cold 15:28:29 <dihedral> and we do not want the electricity to freeze, do we now 15:29:52 <goodger> one of the supply cables for the railway here snapped due to extreme cold a couple of months ago 15:33:11 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:07 *** RavingManiac_ [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 15:48:59 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:38 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@eduroam-23.felk.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:55:24 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:01:45 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:57 <wakou2> :0 16:20:19 *** gynter [gynter@kits.ee] has joined #openttd 16:21:18 <gynter> NewGRF's are useful only for modifying graphical content? 16:24:39 <planetmaker> GRF = game ressource file 16:24:57 <planetmaker> ;-) 16:25:07 <planetmaker> townnames are NewGRFs 16:25:12 <planetmaker> costs are newgrfs 16:25:14 <gynter> Not according to the wiki, that's why I asked. 16:25:22 <planetmaker> production behaviour of industries are newgrfs 16:25:25 <gynter> "NewGRF stands for New Graphics Resource File" 16:25:39 *** Slower [~Slower@gw.buk.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 16:25:51 <planetmaker> :-) That's why I prefer to call it "Game Resource File" 16:26:00 <planetmaker> Graphics Resource File is too misleading 16:26:22 <planetmaker> please feel free to change that 16:26:43 <gynter> My main question would be, that if I would like to make a guid system, would it be possible to do it via NewGRF instead of modifying the client? 16:27:00 <planetmaker> a what system? 16:27:10 <gynter> Globally unique identifier 16:27:27 <planetmaker> what's that in this context? 16:27:41 <planetmaker> what do you want to identify? 16:27:50 <gynter> To identify the client for the current server 16:28:15 <planetmaker> that's not what newgrfs are for or should do. They must be identical for all clients as well as the server 16:29:12 <planetmaker> within current frameworks, you likely would want to go via the admin port and associate the client IP with the client's nickname and hash that to a unique ID 16:29:13 <gynter> The NewGRF would be identical, but the guid would be generated different for the first time the client connects to the server. 16:29:23 <gynter> And saved to some datafile afterwards for reading. 16:30:02 <planetmaker> newgrfs are for changing map components and gameplay. Not client/server behaviour. There's no communication path there 16:30:29 <gynter> Thanks, that's what I wanted to know :) 16:31:30 <gynter> So basically for this kind of guid hash support I would have to server and also the client. Well that sucks :P 16:31:57 <planetmaker> Well. Technically I think you could do without modifying anything, just writing an admin script 16:32:09 <planetmaker> which reads the IPs of clients and the associated nicknames 16:32:32 <gynter> But now if the client changes IP or nick, this would be useless :) 16:32:37 <planetmaker> yep 16:32:43 <gynter> I would like to have guid instead of somekind login system 16:32:54 <planetmaker> what would you like to bind a unique identifier to? 16:33:08 <planetmaker> a token in the config file? Also easily changed 16:33:58 <planetmaker> Though that would likely do and only is circumvented if explicitly wanted to. But then, that's easy with every system 16:34:09 <planetmaker> just change source, reply what is expected, done 16:34:37 <gynter> Ofc is easily changed. 16:35:32 <planetmaker> But a unique ID is, if you want to keep it easy, probably indeed best implemented as clientID, a user-side variable which can be transported upon authentication ot the server 16:36:06 <planetmaker> and that variable is config-only. And the configfile is written after first start of openttd, so... remains there 16:36:32 <Rubidium> GUIDs aren't going to work well in OpenTTD 16:36:50 <Rubidium> the configuration files are shared/copied around, so storing something GUID-ish in there will not work 16:37:20 <gynter> Not in the config ofc. A separate datasource. 16:37:22 <planetmaker> would be rather GID ;-) without "u". But it might be "good enough" 16:37:40 <planetmaker> gynter, you need to make sure it's independent of openttd version then 16:37:43 <Rubidium> gynter: so how would you save it? 16:38:01 <planetmaker> and then.... why not config file? 16:39:19 <planetmaker> it's the same like you don't want to share your cfg with your nickname's password(s) ;-) 16:39:26 <gynter> because it would increase the possibility to mistakenly share your guid 16:39:52 <planetmaker> making the guid more secure than your default company password sounds like a ... strange idea 16:40:29 <peter1138> why do you need to identify the client? 16:40:42 <gynter> For example, statistics. 16:40:56 <gynter> Or admin permissions. 16:41:39 <peter1138> hmm, you could extend the server password system to use per-user passwords 16:42:00 <peter1138> hmm, i guess client name isn't available there yet 16:42:16 <planetmaker> whereever you want to store it: that should not be your primary worry. Config file is good enough for a starter. The implementation of the actual protocol is the itneresting thing 16:43:05 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the client name is available 16:43:11 <Rubidium> s/planetmaker/peter1138/ 16:43:18 <gynter> Yes, the key transport would have to be secure too. 16:43:18 <peter1138> ok 16:43:48 <planetmaker> gynter, also there, making that more secure than server or company PW - pointless 16:44:45 <gynter> You mean the guid would be pointless or paswords would be? 16:44:49 <planetmaker> or rcon password for that matter when sending rcon commands 16:45:11 <planetmaker> I mean adding extra security measures beyond what is done for current rcon access 16:45:27 <planetmaker> which likely is rather "none" 16:46:14 <planetmaker> also, encryption or so, that's also not the main problem. Can always be added :-) 16:46:51 <planetmaker> Unless you want to re-write the protocol 16:46:55 <Rubidium> I think some passwords are md5ed and salted 16:47:03 <planetmaker> good :-) 16:47:05 <peter1138> planetmaker, i disagree with your "that isn't secure, why bother making anything else secure" theory 16:47:28 <gynter> But You think that this kind of feature, which would make life easier for identifying clients for servers (eg Goal server login stuff etc, statistics) would be pointless or not :) ? 16:48:01 <gynter> So instead of logging-in the player would be identified uniquely on every server without logging in. 16:48:21 <planetmaker> peter1138, that's not what I said ;-) 16:48:57 <Rubidium> having said that, the game password isn't hashed/salted 16:49:01 <gynter> Also it would give the possibility to add access levels using the guid to the companies. 16:49:11 <gynter> or even to the servers 16:50:56 <Rubidium> gynter: the question remains, how do you want to save the GUID? 16:51:10 <planetmaker> I can only speak for myself: I don't mind such feature. But it needs questions answerd 16:51:17 <planetmaker> Rubidium, could be done via admin script 16:51:26 <peter1138> aes512 encrypted using a user supplied passphrase ;) 16:51:54 <planetmaker> so servers can setup their own solution to that, no need to put that in openttd core 16:52:25 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the GUID can't be saved by the game script 16:52:37 <planetmaker> admin. not game 16:53:00 <Rubidium> that runs server side, the GUID needs to be saved client side 16:53:11 <gynter> Yes, it needs to be client side 16:53:26 <planetmaker> ah, you mean client-side. I'd still save that in the config file 16:54:00 <planetmaker> That's really good enough for what goal servers need or what one needs for access to pr0 servers 16:54:33 <Rubidium> planetmaker: actually, there is a set of servers that release their own binaries to implement something like this 16:55:15 <planetmaker> yes... 16:55:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.191.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:41 <gynter> I don't really like the own-binary solution, thats why I hoped it would be possible to do it using the NewGRF :) 16:55:56 <Rubidium> it isn't 16:56:10 <Rubidium> NewGRFs don't have disk access, and do not even know about network 16:56:48 <gynter> But are OpenTTD devs interested of such feature? 16:58:19 <planetmaker> each of us probably has a different view ;-) 16:58:41 <Rubidium> I wouldn't be against it, but the major problem is and remains: how to save the GUID; the config file isn't good, as then it is not a GUID anymore 16:58:42 *** mseidl [~aaa@p5DCE6F95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:48 <Rubidium> i.e. not globally unique 16:59:07 <peter1138> what was network_id for? 17:00:01 <Rubidium> the same, but it was flawed and not useable. Which is exactly why I am so against saving it in the config file 17:00:02 <gynter> Rubidium: for example, the Tremulous has GUID saved in a file "qkey" which is located under the game base (eg ~/.tremulous/ 17:00:32 <Rubidium> gynter: there are several torrents on the internet with whole folders, including the whole config directory. 17:00:44 <gynter> well, that sucks :D 17:00:45 <Rubidium> this is even worse with the "stand alone" torrents, which have everything in a single folder 17:01:09 <gynter> The idea of guid is not to protect people form their own stupidity :P 17:01:54 <Rubidium> this is not stupdity, it's not knowing what repercussions it might have 17:02:06 <planetmaker> shooting down the idea by "you can't get an absolutely unique ID" can always be done by scenarios of "people just share everything" 17:02:06 <Rubidium> just like I reckon you do not read all EULAs you agree to 17:02:07 <gynter> Github as also lots of ~/.ssh/id_rsa files :)) 17:02:49 <planetmaker> if it's not absolutely unique it practically still doesn't matter 17:03:23 <planetmaker> but it might fall on our feet ;-) 17:03:43 <gynter> Solution would be to save it in completely different location? 17:03:47 <peter1138> store it in the gnome key manager 17:03:50 <gynter> Which would suck thou. 17:03:52 <peter1138> ;) 17:03:55 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:04:04 <planetmaker> windows registy ;-) 17:04:08 <gynter> :D 17:04:32 <Rubidium> gynter: which such for portable 'installs' 17:05:03 <gynter> exactly 17:05:05 <Rubidium> s/such/sucks/ 17:05:17 <planetmaker> hm... I think I ... never installed an OpenTTD, at least not on OSX or linux 17:05:31 <gynter> me neither :D 17:05:33 <planetmaker> I can't vouch for not installing it back in the 0.5.x time 17:05:43 <planetmaker> but definitely not since 0.6 time :D 17:05:51 <Rubidium> I've installed it plenty of times 17:06:00 <planetmaker> :-) 17:06:21 <gynter> I wonder how exactly does the Trem do the guid thingie 17:06:22 <planetmaker> (as in using an installer, ofc) 17:06:25 <gynter> must dig the code 17:06:50 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes, well before anyone else installed it actually ;) 17:07:17 <planetmaker> hehe :-) thought so 17:07:29 <planetmaker> gotta go. See you later all 17:12:32 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:42 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:46 <supermop> can track have custom foundations yet? 17:25:36 <michi_cc> Store GUID and MAC, if MAC changes, generate new GUID. 17:25:50 <Rubidium> michi_cc: fails for portable install ;) 17:26:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67AD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:59 <Slower> Hello, I'm willing to participate in open ttd development and therefore I wanna ask if the feature/fix with the giving money function is still free to be done 17:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> probably 17:29:28 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:10 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:54 <Slower> what should I do to get the task assigned to me? 17:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause> just start doing it 17:32:09 <blathijs> Perhaps comment on the bugreport, if any, that you're giving it a go 17:34:42 <Slower> in fly spray? 17:40:52 <blathijs> yup 17:41:45 <Slower> there's not created the issue yet 17:44:44 <blathijs> The just start coding, I guess :-) 17:45:51 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-137-43-162.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:47:06 <Slower> I'll ask later if there'll be someone who can provide me more details, but thanks for advices anyway! 17:47:30 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds] 17:49:24 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:21 *** Slower [~Slower@gw.buk.cvut.cz] has quit [] 17:56:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:57:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:59:21 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82045c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 18:00:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:04 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 18:02:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 18:04:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:54 *** RavingManiac_ [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:11 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:10:51 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-048-194.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:59 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:00 <Terkhen> hello 18:38:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdf58.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:44 <NGC3982> What is the best way to use a feeder system in ECS? With or without full load orders? 18:47:50 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:48:33 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:52:51 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:27 *** joey8 [~JoeEvans@host86-137-43-162.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:33 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:13:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:04 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never really played with ECS, but maybe using timetables is better 19:30:08 <NGC3982> It seems so 19:30:13 * NGC3982 tries. 19:30:51 <NGC3982> Feeding also worked. 19:30:58 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/AG0zF1k.jpg 19:32:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-232-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:32:14 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:33:01 <gynter> Hello. 19:33:06 <Terkhen> hi 19:35:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25056 /trunk/src/lang (basque.txt indonesian.txt) (2013-02-28 18:45:12 UTC) 19:35:21 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:35:22 <DorpsGek> basque - 10 changes by Thadah 19:35:23 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 2 changes by adjayanto 19:38:35 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:40 <George> frosch123: Are you here? I'd like to ask about FS#5086 19:41:09 <George> Is there a FS thet transforms a task to 19:41:16 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:41:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:42:47 <George> same introduction/extroduction date 19:42:56 <George> for EMU parts? 19:43:17 <George> Including preview stage? 19:45:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67AD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:47:33 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:21 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-54.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:23 *** Slower [~Slower@gw.buk.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 20:52:22 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:03 <frosch123> [19:51] <George> Is there a FS thet transforms a task to <- transform what? 21:18:28 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:52 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:30:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19070.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:04 *** tracerpt11 [5766760b@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:48:15 *** tracerpt11 [5766760b@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:56:34 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:07 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:10:27 <Terkhen> good night 22:16:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:19:02 <frosch123> night 22:19:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdf58.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:22 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82045c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:31 *** kormer [~kormer@c-68-55-166-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:51 *** kormer [~kormer@c-68-55-166-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:03 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 22:25:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19070.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:32 *** kormer [~kormer@c-68-55-166-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:00 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:32 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:43:49 *** tracerpt [5766760b@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:56 <tracerpt> aloha 22:46:21 *** mseidl [~aaa@p5DCE6F95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:36 <Wolf01> 'night 23:04:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:15:17 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 23:15:58 <tracerpt> hey :) 23:34:40 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wlan132116.mobiel.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 23:44:25 <planetmaker> Slower, the task wrt giving money to companies is still free. I'd recommend to just give it a go. Feel free to ask here or in our forums or also in a FS task, if you got further questions about that 23:44:49 *** michal104 [53072e1c@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:45:17 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:45:29 <michal104> siema 23:45:36 <michal104> :D 23:45:48 *** michal104 [53072e1c@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:50:36 <tracerpt> who's willing to take a look at a station and tell me what a mess it is? 23:59:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd