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00:16:29 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:22:38 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:04 *** artisticMink [c325eaed@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:28:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B1EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:16 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:41:27 *** St3f [~Anonymous@23.29.118.202] has quit [] 00:55:09 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: it will be done as soon as I get the patch :-) 00:55:13 <Ammler> good night 00:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 01:10:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D611.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D611.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:12:34 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-046-005.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:13:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D611.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D611.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:24:35 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 01:31:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:10 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:21 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Convenient. 03:47:04 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 03:47:10 *** Biolunar__ [mahdi@blfd-4d086b4a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:01 <Dewin> I'm getting into ottd again and decide I wanted to play in trunk... but have a few patches I miss, and a few improvements I've thought about making. So I'm diving in source at the moment, and *think* I have a working cargodist + automatic timetable/separation build. 03:51:04 <Dewin> I'm pondering the idea of some more advanced options for vehicle orders, namely the idea for a vehicle to force another vehicle to depart a station early under some circumstances. Then I saw the "REF_ORDER (all REFs are currently limited to 16 bits!!)" comment on the ORder struct -- since the struct is quite clearly more than 16 bits wide, I'm assuming that refers to the number of orders and not how much information they contain? 03:52:22 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:00:42 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:17:00 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:22:38 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:30:16 *** Rhamphoryncus__ [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:32:39 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:39:33 *** ST2 [~STO@118.107.136.95.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 04:46:42 *** ST2 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[~Flex@i59F6CDD1.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:30 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:04:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:21:20 <Terkhen> good morning 07:36:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:37:51 <andythenorth> lo 07:40:14 <andythenorth> @seen frosch123 07:40:15 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 10 hours, 27 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <frosch123> night 07:44:15 * andythenorth ponders decoupling breakdowns and servicing 07:44:30 <andythenorth> choosing vehicle model according to reliability is an interesting strategic choice 07:45:01 <andythenorth> managing servicing is tedious micro-management 07:45:20 <andythenorth> not helped by servicing being broken for RVs and trains 07:45:46 <andythenorth> bbl 07:45:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:50:53 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:50:53 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:45 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.135.87] has joined #openttd 08:23:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:26:51 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:27:30 <Alberth> moin 08:32:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1974A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:33:20 <Flygon> Hmm... 08:33:28 <Flygon> One thing's always bothered me 08:33:38 <Flygon> Signalling in OpenTTD not having 'moving block' type signalling 08:34:17 <Flygon> Or: The signalling that doesn't use physical signalling, but in-cab, and is automatically calculated for distances between trains... uh, hard to explain 08:34:22 <Flygon> But I know real-world systems use it 08:36:38 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:19 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 08:39:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1974A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44:44 <peter1138> sure 08:45:04 <peter1138> it doesn't make much sense game-play wise though 08:57:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-248-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:44 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-056-142.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:10:11 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-243.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:15:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:41 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 09:20:59 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@101.117.64.75] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:48 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 09:24:17 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.135.87] has quit [Quit: Robots have shiny metal posteriors which should not be bitten.] 09:32:57 *** Thomas [~chatzilla@tmo-111-145.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #openttd 09:33:30 <Thomas> hello, good morning 09:42:18 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:14 <Thomas> can anybody tells me, what i have to do, that my planes are not crashing so fast? 09:48:26 <Kjetil> Stop buying boeings 09:49:37 <Thomas> it was two times a ffp dart... 09:51:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-232-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:52:02 <Wolf01> moin 09:52:05 <planetmaker> don't have large planes land on small airports (communter, small) 09:52:30 <planetmaker> good morning all 09:55:32 <Thomas> ahhh ok, that could be possible, thanks... 10:03:55 <Alberth> moin 10:52:08 *** tokai|noir 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Few men act theirs.] 16:00:57 *** sla_ro|vista [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:03:48 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:38 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:14:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:48 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-056-142.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:02:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC678E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:34 <__ln__> http://www.cinemablend.com/games/SimCity-Hack-Lets-Users-Destroy-Anyone-Online-City-Thanks-Always-DRM-53685.html 17:22:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:24:34 <frosch123> client side authentication? 17:32:47 <MNIM> now it would be nice if all this commotion over SC2013 would cause EA execs to reconsider their strategy. 17:32:55 <MNIM> ...but sadly they most likely will not 17:36:19 <__ln__> i demand online-drm for openttd 17:37:03 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:39 <MNIM> I demand lots of beer and pretty wenches to serve my needs 17:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i have wrenches at best 17:39:14 <MNIM> well I have wrenches as well, that is not the issue >.> 17:54:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.122.239.57] has joined #openttd 17:57:37 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 18:11:14 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.122.239.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:17 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:46 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25088 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-03-16 18:45:20 UTC) 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> english_AU - 8 changes by mrtux 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> finnish - 2 changes by jpx_ 18:45:32 <DorpsGek> serbian - 27 changes by ivan_mile 18:47:29 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.135.87] has joined #openttd 18:58:20 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:52 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.135.87] has quit [Quit: Robots have shiny metal posteriors which should not be bitten.] 19:11:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:43 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:48 <andythenorth> frosch123: you play with breakdowns on, right? 19:15:58 <frosch123> yup 19:16:13 <andythenorth> I don't, trying to figure out why. 19:16:17 <frosch123> so does albert afaik :) 19:16:22 <andythenorth> no breakdowns means vehicle reliability is meaningless 19:16:28 <Alberth> yup :) 19:16:41 <andythenorth> meaningless vehicle reliability loses a point of differentiation for newgrf vehicle sets 19:16:45 <frosch123> reliabilty makes you reconsider your engine choices every game 19:17:14 <andythenorth> yes 19:17:17 <andythenorth> but not in my game :P 19:17:21 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:17:25 <Alberth> on the other hand, V considers playing with NUTS with breakdown on breaks the idea of the NewGRF 19:17:45 <frosch123> how could it? 19:18:16 <frosch123> it just randomly limits your engine choices 19:18:25 <Alberth> we don't consider many of the vehicles, afaik 19:18:43 <V453000> I didnt say that, but I think breakdowns are so majorly broken that your whole network basically jams by default 19:18:43 <frosch123> so, you have to decide between an older model of the most suited engine class or whether using a different engine class 19:19:18 <frosch123> well, it reduced the capacity of your network 19:19:34 <frosch123> but that is exactly what your choice on the engine affects 19:19:48 <V453000> yeah which is a problem because the game loses any importance on details on the network and improving your construction, because everything will jam anyway 19:19:52 <frosch123> the only thing which breakdowns make pointless are engine previews :) 19:19:58 <V453000> you just have to provide stupid amount of rails with low train density :) 19:20:12 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 19:21:27 <Alberth> V453000: indeed, I rememberered wrong 19:21:34 <Alberth> frosch123: http://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttdcoop.devzone&date=1362787200#1362842220 19:21:35 <V453000> :p 19:22:01 <Alberth> it was about weight multipliers 19:22:09 <frosch123> andythenorth: well, i guess if we add randomised grf parameters (fs#eddi), one can use them to randomise vehicle statistics 19:22:30 <V453000> I think it mentioned breakdowns somewhere too, but yeah multipliers indeed defeat the purpose of fragile cargo classes 19:22:35 <frosch123> which would achieve almost the same goal as reliability does, just without breakdowns 19:22:42 <V453000> :DDD 19:22:44 <V453000> lol idea 19:23:46 <frosch123> i guess with multipliers you are right when using nuts 19:23:59 <frosch123> it's more for other train sets which have no strong/fast engines 19:24:08 <frosch123> and where you have to do everythnig via multiple engines 19:24:19 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:36 <frosch123> i am just to used to it, to disable it :p 19:24:41 *** sla_ro|vista [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:24 <V453000> well yeah but that is because "other train sets" have broken stats 19:25:33 <V453000> so the multipliers indeed can "fix" them 19:26:21 <V453000> but whenever the train set is made with at least some logic for choice of engines like UKRS or obviously NUTS, multipliers only hurt there imo 19:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the freight multiplier was from when train length was limited to 5 tiles 19:38:03 <V453000> I rarely use trains longer than 5 tiles anyway :P 19:38:25 <V453000> if you have weak fast trains, they obviously will completely break with multipliers, even with 2 19:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the multiplier doesn't apply to passengers 19:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> which is 90% of fast trains 19:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone fix grfcodec yet? 19:40:11 <V453000> not in NUTS :) and it is boring not to have fast cargo trains tbh 19:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: randomised parameters are found here: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5487 (4th version of the patch) 19:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause> need test grfs 19:43:40 <Eddi|zuHause> different topic: is there a way for nml internal parameters (the ones you define by "x = blah" statements) to be bitstuffed into one grf parameter? 19:46:14 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:47:01 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:51:40 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?] 19:56:16 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:18 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:45 <andythenorth> so I turn off breakdowns because setting up servicing is really not fun 19:57:10 <andythenorth> I don't mind the vehicle jams 19:57:37 <frosch123> setting up servicing is easy 19:57:48 <frosch123> you just need to disable the service interval 19:57:52 <V453000> honestly if it was possible to make trains never break down with good enough servicing, it would have been fun 19:57:54 <frosch123> (i.e. set it to 800 days) 19:57:57 <V453000> but getting no reward is no fun 19:58:27 <andythenorth> frosch123: what happens in that case? 19:58:36 <andythenorth> doesn't reliability simply fall to 0%? 19:58:50 <frosch123> you can force the servicing at specific locations 19:58:55 <frosch123> instead of specific times 19:58:59 <andythenorth> that's what I find boring 19:59:04 <andythenorth> having to add servicing orders 19:59:20 <frosch123> for trains you do not have to use orders 19:59:23 <andythenorth> no 19:59:29 <frosch123> you can just force them into depots along the way 19:59:34 <andythenorth> but the performance with PBS is sub-optimal :P 19:59:45 <andythenorth> I don't like the depot force trick :P 19:59:45 <V453000> anytime train goes to depot it is serviced 19:59:58 <V453000> ye, well breakdowns == bad :P 20:00:48 <andythenorth> do road vehicles service at all without explicit orders? 20:00:57 <andythenorth> mine seem to have real trouble with it :P 20:01:22 <V453000> code HEQS as trains to make sure 20:03:18 <andythenorth> can I keep breakdowns, and turn off servicing? o_O 20:03:24 <andythenorth> fixed reliability, no decay 20:04:26 <V453000> :DD 20:04:50 <V453000> I think if you set servicing inverval to 0 then it is never 20:04:52 <V453000> unsure 20:06:17 <frosch123> yeah, there was that annomaly 20:06:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: afaik fish breaks servicing like that 20:06:48 <andythenorth> orly? :o 20:06:48 <V453000> more importantly 20:06:59 <V453000> if your interval is set to never, vehicles will not autoreplace 20:07:04 <V453000> unless forced to depot 20:08:00 <V453000> I do the vice versa case - I have servicing interval on 5 days with no breakdowns, therefore when pushing autoreplace button, they always want to autoreplace and dont have to wait for next servicing 20:11:11 <andythenorth> and you have signals everywhere? 20:16:56 <V453000> what do you mean by that 20:17:54 <frosch123> andy encounters the issue that in many pbs layouts path costs are too high 20:18:06 <frosch123> so vehicles never consider a depot near enough to go to it for servicing 20:18:14 <V453000> lol 20:18:49 <frosch123> once a vehicle reseves a path it follows it 20:19:09 <frosch123> so all tiles from the pbs to the junction for the depot count towards the path 20:19:17 <frosch123> which is different from non-pbs 20:19:42 <frosch123> also i believe at some point pbs caused the red signal penalty, though pbs are always red :p 20:19:46 <frosch123> but maybe that was fixed 20:20:59 <frosch123> anyway, both only affect players which build incorrect pbs junctions :) 20:21:08 <frosch123> with signals behind junctions, and not in front of them 20:23:28 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-3-118.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:26:43 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:12 *** whidgle [5ed0ea33@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:53 <andythenorth> yeah the pbs depot issue bugs me 20:49:15 <frosch123> night 20:49:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6898.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:07 *** whidgle [5ed0ea33@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never had a pbs depot issue 20:50:36 <andythenorth> you signal in front of them? 20:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> we should have NewBreakdowns :) 20:51:21 <andythenorth> :) 20:51:27 <andythenorth> you won't see the issue on two track main-lines 20:51:33 <andythenorth> only single track stuff usually 20:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i don't service :) 20:51:45 <andythenorth> you win 20:51:56 <andythenorth> pikka choo hi hi. Breakdowns on in your games? 20:52:19 <Pikka> reduced, usually 20:56:46 <andythenorth> maybe I should set reliability decay to 0 20:57:02 <andythenorth> until the model life is up 20:57:58 <V453000> or disable the newGRF when breakdowns are on :evil: 21:00:14 <andythenorth> I like breakdowns ;) 21:01:25 <V453000> I figured :) 21:01:40 <andythenorth> Pikka: do you do anything interesting with reliability? 21:02:01 <V453000> like taking it to the zoo? 21:02:09 <andythenorth> or water skiing 21:02:16 <V453000> or that 21:02:40 <andythenorth> where is multiplayer game at? 21:02:42 <V453000> too bad reliability doesnt quite combine with going out for beer 21:02:43 <andythenorth> I have 1hr to kill 21:02:59 <Pikka> I changed the decay a bit in my older sets but I think I'll probably leave it at 20 for mostly everything from now on 21:03:05 <V453000> our Welcome Server is pretty much always active andythenorth 21:03:10 <Pikka> it's too small an effect to be worthwhile 21:03:21 <Pikka> maybe less for ships 21:03:28 <andythenorth> decay is meh 21:03:35 * Pikka no play, got to go in a bit 21:04:02 <andythenorth> I am thinking about vehicles which are fast and cheap and stuff, but 50% unreliable :P 21:04:59 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:44 <Pikka> and how do you balance it for the 95% of people who play with breakdowns off, andy? :) 21:21:58 <andythenorth> hmm 21:22:02 <andythenorth> fuck em? 21:22:02 <andythenorth> :P 21:22:05 <andythenorth> dunno 21:22:21 <andythenorth> the answer then is just have fewer vehicles 21:22:24 <andythenorth> less balancing 21:25:49 <Pikka> of course ;) 21:25:51 * Pikka bbl 21:25:54 <andythenorth> bye 21:48:38 <Snail> you mean most ppl play with breakdowns off??? 21:52:10 <V453000> dont they 21:52:30 <andythenorth> we have no idea :P 21:53:04 <Snail> haha, this means I'm wasting my time trying to set a realistic reliability decay :p 21:54:31 <andythenorth> probly :) 21:54:46 <andythenorth> most properties are pointless afaict 21:55:03 <andythenorth> speed, power, capacity are the only useful ones 21:55:15 <andythenorth> and power is just a factor of speed 21:55:21 <andythenorth> so capacity and speed only 21:55:23 <andythenorth> the rest is meh 21:58:37 <andythenorth> eh so what's the smallest useful truck size? 21:58:43 <andythenorth> 10t? 12t? 16t? 21:59:07 <V453000> 2 tiles 21:59:11 <V453000> :P 21:59:35 <andythenorth> size / capacity /s :P 21:59:44 <andythenorth> V453000: I keep considering a vehicle 'truck convoy' 21:59:48 <andythenorth> 3x 15t trucks 21:59:52 <andythenorth> saves effort on building 22:00:27 <V453000> I dont really know, I am always trying to come out of the "standard" which is to me most of newGRFs and mainly original stuff 22:01:03 <andythenorth> you should do a plane set 22:04:04 <V453000> that is 99.8% likely to never happen 22:05:07 <andythenorth> would you put a â¬5k bet on it? o_O 22:05:22 <V453000> yes 22:05:45 <andythenorth> :) 22:05:53 <V453000> seriously planes are even more dumb than ships 22:08:17 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:08:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: that still means every 500th GRF you make will be a plane set :p 22:09:30 <V453000> Eddi|zuHause: :D 22:09:42 <andythenorth> V453000: write a grf generator 22:10:57 <V453000> and I hoped my newGRF clearly stated it is aimed to make sense :( 22:11:55 <andythenorth> herp 22:12:03 <andythenorth> BANDIT can have a capacity multiplier param 22:12:11 <andythenorth> that will solve all evil 22:13:35 <andythenorth> 1x, 1.5x, 2x real-life capacity 22:14:17 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:29 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:15:07 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 22:17:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, except you shouldn't call it "real-life" 22:18:58 <V453000> :d 22:22:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:22:29 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:22:29 <andythenorth> @calc 28*1.5 22:22:29 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 42 22:28:26 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:30:52 <Terkhen> good night 22:37:16 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:38:00 *** gooodger [~ben@host86-150-31-224.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:40:24 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-31-224.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:35 *** LANJesus [~WOOAARGH@advisoryalerts.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:54 *** gooodger [~ben@host86-150-31-224.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:49 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 23:04:11 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:59 <andythenorth> trucks at 14t, 30t, 42t 23:05:09 <andythenorth> and silly road trains at 78t and 165t 23:05:32 <andythenorth> models change every 25 years or so, 1900-2000 23:07:05 <V453000> 0 23:07:10 <V453000> 165t per RV? 23:07:13 <V453000> thats lol 23:07:27 <andythenorth> not even unrealistic :o 23:07:30 <andythenorth> australia 23:07:31 <Supercheese> 3 trailers eh 23:07:38 <V453000> I didnt ask about the R word :P 23:07:42 <andythenorth> 2AB (quad) 23:07:50 <andythenorth> 4 trailers, lots of tyres 23:07:53 <V453000> why is R so close to F 23:08:07 <andythenorth> has to be close to something 23:08:07 <Supercheese> tires* ;) 23:08:10 <Supercheese> :P 23:08:12 <TinoDidriksen> To slow down typing. 23:08:29 <Supercheese> "tyres", "kerb" 23:08:54 <Supercheese> Well, we did switch the driving side, makes sense some words would switch as well 23:09:42 <andythenorth> wonder if I can get it done in a limit of 20 vehicles 23:09:45 *** gooodger [~ben@host86-143-75-37.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:09:48 <andythenorth> probly 23:09:53 <andythenorth> "20 is plenty" 23:10:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1974A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:42 <andythenorth> bye 23:11:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:13:46 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@p57AF16F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:02 <SigHunter> so i have a trainstation at a factory that was (without noticing) also in range of a farm. the station accepts crops and cattle but somehow also delivers, though the farm is not in range anymore. how can i get rid of the "delivering" part and just make it accept again 23:16:15 <SigHunter> trains now dont unload but rather try to load there now 23:16:30 <Supercheese> You can specify "no loading" 23:16:43 <SigHunter> yes, for ~60 trains manually 23:16:43 <Supercheese> but even easier may be just to demolish that station and route trains to a new one 23:16:49 <Supercheese> oh 60 trains 23:16:55 <SigHunter> 37 sry 23:17:05 <Supercheese> You'll have to do something manually unfortunately 23:17:11 <Supercheese> nothing automatic to take care of that 23:17:15 <SigHunter> its not even my mess, its the one from a friend, but he wants me to fix it :D 23:17:27 <Supercheese> well, use shared orders if he/you aren't 23:17:27 <SigHunter> ofcourse no shared orders, groups or else :/ 23:17:31 <Supercheese> heh 23:19:47 <MNIM> Isn't there a way to force a group to share orders? 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