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00:31:09 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:42:10 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:48:21 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:04 <Pikka> orudge broke my wiki :[ 01:09:41 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:35 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:26 <Pikka> 02 07 FF 89 1A 20 00 00 00 00 sto 1A 20 FF 00 00 00 rst 0C 00 FF FF 00 00 00 FF 00 01:22:32 <Pikka> seriously, what the hey NML? 01:40:48 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> what are we looking at? 01:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: which property do you think is wrong? 02:00:55 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-5d821ee8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 02:08:34 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:50 <planetmaker> Pikka, you assume wrongly, I think, after reading OpenTTD's and NML's source. OpenTTD allows to define action0 with extended IDs. But there's a feature-specific ID limit which makes extended IDs somewhat pointless to use for most features 02:11:17 <planetmaker> Pikka, thus, the NML code using extended IDs for houses is correct, as NML also makes sure that you can't use more than 256 IDs in your newgrf 02:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the specs say B* for <id>, nothing about only for vehicles 02:12:54 <planetmaker> The code says that, too 02:13:11 <planetmaker> newgrf.cpp:4274 02:14:20 <planetmaker> and NML knows the limits for features in nml/actions/action0.py:101 02:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause> "(houses and indtiles in principle allow up to 511, but action3 does not accept extended bytes)" <-- maybe this is what Pikka thought of? 02:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (and why was that not part of GRFv8? 02:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> ) 02:20:08 <planetmaker> we need something for grf v9 ;-) 02:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure it will be forgotten by then again :p 02:21:41 <planetmaker> :-D 02:21:57 <planetmaker> frosch keeps lists for such things usually :-) 02:22:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but he's not here :) 02:22:46 <planetmaker> indeed 02:37:08 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-056-142.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:40:27 <Pikka> then why doesn't it work? :) 02:41:15 <Pikka> unless ID 00 and ID FF 00 00 are different? :) 02:41:30 *** kero [~keikoz@252.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 02:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: so does it work if you change this? 03:19:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CA30.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:26:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CDD1.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:54:54 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:55:01 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 04:06:12 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 04:06:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 04:24:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CA30.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:30:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CA30.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:53:38 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:13 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 05:45:19 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC678E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5D41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:34:59 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-3-118.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:54:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:06:50 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 07:36:19 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:57 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:40:30 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:10:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:27:43 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:56 *** OSN|GriGore [Gore@79.115.87.215] has joined #openttd 08:33:34 <OSN|GriGore> hello there, i want to start a server so me and some friends can join and have phun, but i have centos, [osn@gorehost ~]$ cat /etc/*-release 08:33:35 <OSN|GriGore> CentOS Linux release 6.0 (Final) 08:33:50 <OSN|GriGore> where can i get the centos server openttd ? 08:37:24 <__ln__> on an unrelated note, 6.0 is not up-to-date, so you're missing a number of security updates and stuff. 08:39:13 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:39:46 <Alberth> moin 08:48:39 <OSN|GriGore> i know, thats not a problem, the serv is not used, will update it ... i got generic linux, hope does the job for openttd serv 08:49:15 *** OSN|GriGore [Gore@79.115.87.215] has quit [] 08:52:22 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:55:57 <Alberth> for what it is worth, it does 09:00:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:03:20 <Terkhen> good morning 09:06:01 <Alberth> moin 09:22:04 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:22:13 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:43 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-057-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:37:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-232-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:37:45 <Wolf01> hello 09:38:37 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 09:43:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:19 <Wolf01> hi andy 09:46:33 <andythenorth> lo 09:50:02 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:56:13 <Alberth> o/ 09:57:01 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:57:03 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 09:57:45 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:36:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:39:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:40:08 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:52:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-43-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:58:37 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:20:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7e6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:55 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:23 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 11:34:23 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:59 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:32 <heffer> hmm how far is the 1.3.0 release away? ottd fails to build on Fedora 19+ (GCC 4.8) and i'm wondering if i should patch or wait for the new release 11:48:36 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-057-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:38 <frosch123> heffer: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/12e78b0c4488 <- if you want to patch it 11:51:50 <frosch123> the release date is likely the usual one 12:00:14 <heffer> okay, thanks :D 12:01:58 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:05:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:16 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:14:55 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 12:29:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:29:25 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER] 12:30:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:35:21 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:10 *** emlow [mrwarmth@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:38 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:38 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:04:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25089 /trunk/src (11 files in 2 dirs) (2013-03-17 13:04:10 UTC) 13:04:17 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Move CharSetFilter from QueryString to Textbuf. 13:04:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25090 trunk/src/textbuf.cpp (2013-03-17 13:04:48 UTC) 13:04:55 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Make editbox character filters also apply to pasted content from clipboard. 13:05:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25091 /trunk/src (textbuf.cpp textbuf_type.h) (2013-03-17 13:05:18 UTC) 13:05:25 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Call keycodes by their name. 13:05:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25092 /trunk/src (6 files) (2013-03-17 13:05:45 UTC) 13:05:52 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Deduplicate keyboard handling between console and editboxes. 13:13:11 *** emlow [mrwarmth@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19:41 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:34:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7e6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7e6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:26 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:42:10 <__ln__> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/16/opinion/schneier-internet-surveillance/index.html 13:53:54 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 14:00:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:01:05 *** Warod [warod@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:18 *** emlow [mrwarmth@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #openttd 14:05:19 *** emlow_ [mrwarmth@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:17:28 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-057-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 14:21:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 14:22:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:39:31 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 14:40:29 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 14:41:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25093 trunk/src/news_gui.cpp (2013-03-17 14:41:09 UTC) 14:41:16 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5486]: Clicking the statusbar crashed, when news were pending but no news were shown yet. (3298) 14:50:22 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:09 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 14:53:01 *** gooodger [~ben@host86-143-75-37.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:54:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:26 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 14:58:20 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:53 *** Tiku [d4e233dc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:39 *** svenzzon [~svenzzon@95.209.72.23.bredband.tre.se] has joined #openttd 15:06:57 <svenzzon> hello 15:07:08 <Tiku> Guys? Anyone know why openttd.exe tries to access searchindexer.exe after quitting the game? Firewall makes an issue out of it. Normal behavior? 15:08:13 *** emlow [mrwarmth@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08:20 <frosch123> ottd does not know about any searchindexer 15:08:22 *** emlow_ [mrwarmth@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:32 <frosch123> when it exits it saves the configuration 15:08:48 <frosch123> if that causes your desktop search to update its index that an thing of your desktop search 15:09:24 <frosch123> no idea what that has to do with firewalls though 15:09:45 *** svenzzon [~svenzzon@95.209.72.23.bredband.tre.se] has left #openttd [] 15:10:02 <frosch123> maybe your desktop search reports everything you do to fb or so 15:10:40 <Tiku> FW warns about unauthorized access on com interface at system32/searchindexer.exe. 15:11:23 <frosch123> well, ottd certainly does not do that :) 15:11:29 <frosch123> so, block it and see what happens :) 15:12:57 <Tiku> o_O guess so. Havnt given permission to do whatever it would like to do. Gotta dig up what's the purpose of searchindexer and maybe why it would activate. 15:18:16 <Alberth> it enables a "find your document on a phrase" feature, probably 15:18:56 <Alberth> aka "grep" :) 15:19:12 *** goodger [~ben@host86-143-75-37.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:12 <Tiku> Now i killed it :P 15:22:46 <Tiku> THX guys. 15:22:54 *** Tiku [d4e233dc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:26:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:41:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25094 /trunk/src (5 files in 5 dirs) (2013-03-17 15:41:40 UTC) 15:41:47 <DorpsGek> -Feature: Introduce dropdown for selecting the sort criterion in the town directory window (sbr) 15:42:56 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25095 trunk/src/town_gui.cpp (2013-03-17 15:42:50 UTC) 15:42:57 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Immediately save the sort order of the town directory instead of when closing the window. 15:44:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25096 trunk/src/town_gui.cpp (2013-03-17 15:44:19 UTC) 15:44:26 <DorpsGek> -Feature: Do descending sort order on population by default, and stabilize sort of equally populated towns. 15:45:30 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25097 /trunk/src (lang/english.txt town_gui.cpp) (2013-03-17 15:45:24 UTC) 15:45:31 <DorpsGek> -Feature[FS#5288]: Add sorting on rating for the town directory window (based on work by sbr). 15:55:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:28 <andythenorth> diagonal rivers for 1.3.0? o_O 16:09:30 <andythenorth> I'll draw them 16:11:24 <frosch123> V already did them 16:11:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25098 /trunk/src/lang (61 files in 2 dirs) (2013-03-17 16:11:19 UTC) 16:11:27 <DorpsGek> -Change(r25094): Change the population string for other languages as well. 16:11:37 <andythenorth> I've seen V's 16:11:46 <andythenorth> I doubt they'll be in trunk somehow? o_O 16:11:53 <andythenorth> or are we changing how the game works? 16:15:02 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "we" are most definitely not including V's "rivers" in trunk :p 16:16:50 <andythenorth> so that just leaves the 'proper' diagonal option o_O 16:16:55 <andythenorth> what do I need to do? 16:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138 used to have some half-baked sprites, iirc 16:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and, of course, a patch :p 16:18:10 <andythenorth> he has lost more patches than I'll write in my lifetime :P 16:20:53 <andythenorth> window resize is a bit interesting on OS X :D https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3989/Screen%20Shot%202013-03-17%20at%2016.19.37.png 16:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> my brain just exploded... 16:21:37 <andythenorth> I quite like the effect 16:25:14 <frosch123> looks like you have an obiwan 16:26:44 <andythenorth> yup 16:32:44 *** kero [~keikoz@252.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:12 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:07 <andythenorth> lo Snail 16:38:24 <Snail> hey 16:40:23 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:39 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:48 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 17:07:47 *** Varazir [~mircwars@c-94-255-130-176.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:09:34 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:31 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26:01 *** kero [~keikoz@252.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 17:37:39 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:53 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f2d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:25 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-88-37.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:03:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:03:58 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:12:49 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:56 <frosch123> so, i guess pikka only tested multiples of 20 :p 18:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> EUnresolvedReference 18:18:56 <frosch123> fs#5382 18:19:17 <frosch123> he complains that high acceleration values cause the aircraft to not accelerate at all 18:19:31 <frosch123> while ottd actually uses (acceleration mod 20) 18:24:35 <V453000> tell him to code them as trains :> 18:25:06 <frosch123> not sure how aircraft would work as traisn 18:25:57 <V453000> would be awesome 18:26:04 <V453000> runways everywhere 18:26:21 <Kjetil> to bad planes tax slow as hell ? :P 18:28:53 <frosch123> hmm, how about baggage conveyor belts as railtype? 18:29:01 <frosch123> V453000: would that suit your needs? 18:29:20 <V453000> :DDD 18:31:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25099 trunk/src/newgrf.cpp (2013-03-17 18:31:35 UTC) 18:31:41 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5492]: Limit aircraft property 0D to 19, since the conversion result to km-ish/h needs to fit into a byte. 18:32:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:32:09 <frosch123> yay for mixing hex and dec in a single sentence :) 18:45:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25100 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-03-17 18:45:24 UTC) 18:45:35 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:36 <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 18:45:37 <DorpsGek> finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:45:38 <DorpsGek> russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:45:39 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:52:09 *** goodger [~ben@host86-143-75-37.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:52:28 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:00:49 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:07:55 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:10:14 *** goodger [~ben@host86-143-75-37.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:03 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:33 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 19:16:21 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-88-37.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:24 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:43 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:25:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:01 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:34 *** Ttech [ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Este é o fim.] 19:32:34 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:30 *** bitter [4f8de4c2@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:45 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:12 *** bitter [4f8de4c2@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 19:48:33 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:55:30 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55:57 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:05 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 20:00:28 <__ln__> aurora borealis 20:00:59 <andythenorth> in ottd? how rare 20:01:33 <__ln__> yeah, well, not, in the sky 20:01:58 <Supercheese> nothernLights.grf 20:02:02 <Supercheese> northern* 20:02:16 <andythenorth> probably features town replacement: nightclubs in manchester :P 20:02:26 <andythenorth> blackpool! 20:03:35 <andythenorth> http://enjoyfestivals.com/wp-content/gallery/blackpool-illuminations-photos/aerial-photo-of-lancashire-blackpool-illuminations.jpg 20:06:14 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:07:09 <frosch123> hmm, so... is it plausible that the aircraft speed unit is not 8 mph as documented for 10 years in the specs, but actually 15/2 mph? 20:07:33 <frosch123> (resp. mph/8 and mph/7.5 for those who do not know how to do calculus with units) 20:07:56 <Supercheese> aircraft speeds are borked in NML 20:08:04 <Supercheese> when using the internal units anyway 20:08:04 <frosch123> who talks about nml? 20:08:21 <Supercheese> "100 mph" â 100 mph in-game 20:08:43 <Supercheese> frosch: NML is the only grf-speak :P 20:08:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: totally plausible :) 20:09:14 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:09:15 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:16 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:28 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:14:55 <frosch123> ah, the 8 mph unit is correct 20:15:56 <frosch123> it's just that the original planespeed of 1/4 is actually 15/64 20:18:14 <andythenorth> hmm 20:18:18 <andythenorth> FIRS 0.11.0 20:18:38 <andythenorth> if anyone can translate in the next 40 minutes, I'll add them :P 20:26:19 <Supercheese> more strings eh? 20:30:42 *** pugi_ [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-057-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:55 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-057-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:57 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 20:32:32 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:33:53 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:35:50 <Wolf01> 'night 20:35:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:38:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25101 branches/1.3/bin/baseset/opntitle.dat (2013-03-17 20:38:53 UTC) 20:39:00 <DorpsGek> [1.3] -Update: the intro game 20:44:15 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:44:15 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:15 <V453000> there be a winner? :) 20:54:24 <frosch123> there was a strong disagreement between voters and devs 20:54:33 <frosch123> all devs voted for game 5 20:54:38 <frosch123> but it turned out last anyway 20:55:22 <V453000> LOL 20:55:39 <V453000> sooo ... fuck voters? :D 20:56:20 <V453000> wait 05 is in nightlies :D 20:56:40 <frosch123> game 5 would have been the least work :) 20:56:46 <V453000> which one was first by voters? :) just curious 20:56:57 <Rubidium> the one in 1.3? 20:56:58 <frosch123> i think there will be an annoucement :p 20:57:01 <V453000> well I like the nightly one personally 20:57:38 <V453000> buuut having something different for stable is nice too 20:58:13 <Eddi|zuHause> ah i knew i forgot something... 20:58:22 <andythenorth> ho ho, my FIRS issue list is getting bigger not small 20:58:24 <andythenorth> that can't be right :P 20:58:49 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r25102 /branches/1.3 (15 files in 3 dirs) (2013-03-17 20:58:40 UTC) 20:58:50 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.3] -Backport from trunk: 20:58:51 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Limit aircraft property 0D to 19, since the conversion result to km-ish/h needs to fit into a byte [FS#5492] (r25099) 20:58:52 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Clicking the statusbar crashed, when news were pending but no news were shown yet [FS#5486] (r25093) 20:58:53 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Make editbox character filters also apply to pasted content from clipboard (r25090, r25089) 20:58:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 20:59:31 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:59:49 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:22 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:02:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25103 /branches/1.3/src/lang (23 files) (2013-03-17 21:02:36 UTC) 21:02:44 <DorpsGek> [1.3] -Backport from trunk: language updates 21:04:10 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i smell an RC3 upcoming 21:05:53 <andythenorth> forums is logging me out every 15 mins or so, getting boring :P 21:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> cookie troubles? 21:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> disk full? 21:07:29 <andythenorth> neither 21:08:03 <andythenorth> nvm 21:10:20 <andythenorth> FIRS 0.11.0 done :P 21:14:01 <andythenorth> question: container trucks 21:14:12 <andythenorth> my BANDIT set design is now *really* minimal 21:14:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:14:28 <andythenorth> are containers a subtype refit, or a new vehicle type? 21:14:39 <andythenorth> subtype refitting got better recently ;) 21:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> container trucks: slightly lower capacity, but autorefit to everything? 21:19:41 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure how that relates to normal articulated trucks 21:22:13 <Snail> what kinds of cargo do you use containers for? 21:24:08 <andythenorth> in Squid Ate FISH, it will be express only 21:24:16 <andythenorth> give or take what I define as 'express' :P 21:25:16 <Snail> hmm 21:25:37 <Snail> I also use containers for FIRS supplies in my set 21:25:44 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:45 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:26:08 <Snail> for instance farm supplies could be tools that can be transported in containers 21:26:38 <andythenorth> ye 21:26:41 <andythenorth> yes * 21:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean mail, goods, etc? 21:28:39 <andythenorth> hang on, screenshot 21:30:37 *** Extrems1 [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:40 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3815/container_feeder.png 21:30:44 <andythenorth> not sure about petrol :P 21:30:50 <andythenorth> oops 21:30:54 <andythenorth> wrong screenshot :o 21:31:03 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3992/container_feeder_refit.png 21:31:25 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:41 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:31:42 <andythenorth> mostly secondary cargos 21:31:52 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause> petrol and plant fibres don't quite fit in this list 21:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> also, check how ECS cargos fit into that 21:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "plant fibres" is a cargo i don't really understand in general 21:33:56 <andythenorth> hmm 21:34:03 <andythenorth> how do I make ECS work? 21:34:14 <andythenorth> I loaded all vectors, but only a few cargos appear 21:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> order them by GRFID 21:34:34 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the town vector has to be first 21:35:14 <andythenorth> oops, don't change those on a running game :P 21:35:28 <Snail> yes and how about wood? 21:35:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Timber = processed wood 21:35:57 <Snail> that wouldn't fit very well in containers IMO... 21:36:06 <Snail> timber would be ok (more regular size) but wood? 21:36:25 <Snail> oh wood is not in the list :p I misread "wool" 21:36:27 <andythenorth> Snail: logs can be done, but meh 21:36:28 <andythenorth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNnYTXmKlI8 21:36:35 <andythenorth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvC3FW7rSiM 21:36:54 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause> not watching youtube tonight... 21:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the first video is blocked for copyfudge 21:37:34 <andythenorth> :P 21:37:52 <andythenorth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSBKS7dqbM 21:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently it contains music 21:38:03 <andythenorth> ^ bulldozer going in sideways to a 40ft container 21:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is not allowed. it's VERBOTEN 21:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> excuse me if i don't feel the same excitement about heavy machinery as you do. 21:40:05 <andythenorth> you're excused 21:40:28 <andythenorth> hmm youtube. there goes the rest of my evening 21:41:47 <V453000> 3 logs per container? :D LOL would not want to load that 21:43:04 <andythenorth> nice animation in ECS 21:43:22 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3995/container_feeder_refit_ecs.png 21:43:29 <andythenorth> refits with ECS 21:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not familiar enough with ECS to see which cargos are excluded then 21:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> but you left out mail 21:47:23 <Snail> gasoline in containers? 21:47:35 <Snail> wouldn't tanks be better? 21:47:50 <andythenorth> http://www.tectainer.co.uk/products_transport_tanks/images/diesel_petrol_container.jpg 21:47:55 <andythenorth> tanktainer 21:48:47 <Snail> but then you'd have to change the visual representation on the ship (if any) 21:54:41 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:54:53 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:57:49 <andythenorth> Snail: that is a good point :o 21:58:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25104 trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp (2013-03-17 21:58:18 UTC) 21:58:24 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5507]: Allow changing GS settings in-game via the AI/GS config window. 21:58:40 <Snail> or just restrict liquid stuff to tank ships :) (water can be ok, if it's in bottles) 22:02:30 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:05:27 <andythenorth> bed time 22:05:28 <andythenorth> bye 22:05:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:11:45 <frosch123> night 22:11:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7e6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:32 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.58.24] has joined #openttd 22:14:40 <nicfer> hello 22:17:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:37 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.58.24] has left #openttd [] 22:21:07 *** emlow [mrwarmth@0001b323.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:37:00 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 23:04:56 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:57 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:14 <Terkhen> good night 23:32:55 *** Core_Xii [~Core_Xii@a88-115-204-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:35:03 <Core_Xii> what, in terms of the game engine and NewGRF capabilities, is the difference between bus stations and truck stations? 23:35:15 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 23:35:23 <Supercheese> Bus stations are for RVs that carry Passenger cargo classes only 23:35:34 <Supercheese> truck stations are for RVs that carry other-than-passenger cargos 23:35:58 <Core_Xii> so NewGRFs cannot define trucks that carry passengers nor buses that carry cargo? 23:36:22 <Supercheese> any "bus" that carries, say, mail, becomes essentially not-a-bus 23:36:34 <Supercheese> you can define what you like 23:36:42 <Core_Xii> so what's the difference between the two? 23:36:51 <Supercheese> the RV will have to go to the appropriate station based on what cargo it currently carries 23:37:23 <Core_Xii> but I can define each type of station, what type of cargo it can handle? 23:37:23 <Supercheese> I have no idea what happens if you have an articulated RV with mixed passenger & non-passenger cargoes 23:38:05 <Supercheese> newgrfs can only change road station graphics 23:38:50 <Core_Xii> bus/truck stations are fixed to always handle passenger-class cargo and other cargo, respectively? 23:39:17 <Supercheese> yep 23:39:25 <Supercheese> also, I wonder if weird things would happen if your RV decides to autorefit to passengers while in a truck station, or autorefit to non-passengers while in a bus station 23:39:48 <Core_Xii> is there anything special about passenger class cargo? (other than this) 23:40:05 <Supercheese> a few things 23:40:09 <Supercheese> town growth stuff 23:40:15 <Supercheese> requires passenger-class cargo 23:40:45 <Core_Xii> I recall the wiki saying that temperate towns grow as long as any cargo is transported near them? 23:41:15 <Core_Xii> "Town growth can be accelerated by loading and unloading at least one item of cargo at up to five stations within town influence within a two month period. It does not matter which cargos are loaded/unloaded." 23:41:15 <Supercheese> yeah, think it's custom town growth (i.e. other climates or game scripts or whatnot) 23:41:36 <Supercheese> also capacity multiplier is different methinks 23:41:45 <Zuu> There is a set of town effects. One of them is called PASSENGERS. Default passengers belong there but NewGRFs can define additional cargos that are included in that town effect. 23:41:46 <Zuu> http://nogo.openttd.org/api/trunk/classGSCargo.html#bb93eb754dcd7b9e5623b18169f293b3 23:42:02 <Supercheese> ^ that 23:42:22 <Core_Xii> ok that I grok 23:42:33 <Core_Xii> can town houses be defined to generate any cargo? 23:42:44 <Supercheese> probably 23:42:49 <Supercheese> I haven't tried, but I don't see why not 23:43:13 <Core_Xii> can industry tiles change dynamically based on the industry's production amount? 23:43:36 <Supercheese> I think they can change dynamically based on any available variable 23:43:45 <Supercheese> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Industries#Industry_tile_variables 23:43:49 <glx> houses generate only passenger and mail 23:44:02 <Supercheese> glx: we're talking about newgrf houses 23:44:11 <glx> me too :) 23:44:15 <Supercheese> that still true in grfs? 23:44:35 <Supercheese> "cargo_production (cargo_type * 256) + amount " 23:44:50 <Supercheese> specify some arbitrary cargo, eh? 23:46:12 <Core_Xii> the wiki doesn't list industry production as a variable that an industry tile can access, as far as I can tell. so I guess it's not possible? 23:46:20 <glx> hmm maybe callback 2E 23:46:58 <Supercheese> Hmm, maybe the production_level variable is unavailable to tiles 23:47:13 <Supercheese> not sure 23:47:24 <glx> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Custom_cargo_production_.282E.29 23:47:24 <Core_Xii> can industries change layouts dynamically? could hack tile changes in that way perhaps 23:47:34 <glx> so houses can produce anything 23:47:49 <Supercheese> :) 23:48:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:49 <Core_Xii> do you foresee any problems if electric rail was available *before* normal rail? 23:57:36 <Supercheese> Probably not technical problems. Might confuse players, though :P 23:59:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]