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00:05:56 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-5d856653.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:40 <Bonez305> Can someone assist me with setting up a phpbb forum on debian ? 00:10:04 <Bonez305> wrong channel lol 00:10:43 *** xT2 [~ST2@188.250.231.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:10 *** xT2 [~ST2@188.250.231.91] has joined #openttd 00:19:58 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:38:25 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:43:26 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] 01:09:26 <Dewin> Bah. My version of cargodist updated to trunk and my version of slim timetables updated to trunk both work, but the build that has both applied fails an assertion every time a train hits a station, including on the title game... 01:16:12 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause> welcome to the joys of patchpacking :) 01:36:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C0CD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:00 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:32:49 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:45:18 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-50-150-145-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:08 *** akruz [~drax@179.170.149.43] has joined #openttd 03:09:36 <akruz> hello 03:09:41 <akruz> i have a problem here 03:10:08 <akruz> i have but a Newgrf 03:11:07 <akruz> i think the problem is on the ECS 03:11:20 <akruz> well, its have a lot of new cargos 03:11:33 <akruz> but, in the cities, i can just take passagers 03:11:42 <akruz> the rest kepp as invalid cargo 03:11:52 <akruz> someone have a solution, or i will have to tak away this 03:12:20 <akruz> the vecihle trans set is unload 03:12:37 <akruz> because i need a higger version, and i sont know what version is it 03:40:43 <Supercheese> post a savegame on the forum 03:40:49 <Supercheese> that'll make it easy to get help 04:11:15 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 04:42:39 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 05:17:52 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4EEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4325.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:58 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-251-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 06:00:02 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-50-150-145-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:51 *** xT2 [~ST2@188.250.231.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:51 *** ST2 is now known as xT2 06:13:08 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-50-150-145-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:21:59 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac158d4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:38 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 06:57:26 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:00:33 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 07:22:40 <dihedral> greetings 07:27:51 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:11 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-50-150-145-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:25 <Bonez305> Morning. 07:34:34 <__ln__> yes it is. 07:40:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:41:07 <Bonez305> Which should be the main lines that I should configure in the openttd.cfg as far as running a server ? I don't need to mes around with everything, right? 07:43:13 <Zuu> rcon password is good to set to a somewhat strong password or leave it blank to disable rcon. 07:43:32 <Zuu> rcon is the pasword to remotely administrate the server. 07:47:57 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:50:54 <Ammler> mainly the network settings 07:52:27 <Bonez305> Thanks, I copied my config from my game directory but there are alot of edited lines already, could I leave most blank ? 08:18:29 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:39 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:22:01 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-3-118.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:22:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:22:13 <andythenorth> bonjour and pigs and apples 08:22:21 <Pikka> bonjour and apples and pigs 08:22:31 <andythenorth> apples and pears 08:22:34 <andythenorth> pigs and pears 08:22:47 <Pikka> ee lad 08:22:51 <andythenorth> Pikka: when will you add realism to your sets? 08:22:54 <andythenorth> I am missing realism 08:22:56 <andythenorth> :P 08:23:01 <andythenorth> can I play it yet? 08:23:07 * andythenorth had better go and get ready for work 08:23:08 <Pikka> pretty soon I am adding realism 08:23:19 <Pikka> is "not using the water cycle colours for the water" realism? 08:23:25 <andythenorth> yes 08:23:28 <Pikka> yes, you had better 08:23:40 <andythenorth> when are we playing server? 08:23:46 <Pikka> I don't know 08:23:51 <andythenorth> next week? 08:23:51 <Pikka> half past three 08:24:02 <Pikka> I suppose I'll finish some trains or something by then 08:24:06 <Pikka> but no sounds 08:24:10 <Pikka> and they're boring without sounds 08:24:33 <Pikka> when will you be finished bandit? 08:24:49 <andythenorth> errp 08:25:05 <andythenorth> I think I figured it out 08:25:11 <andythenorth> just need to code it and draw it 08:25:16 <andythenorth> but the project management is good eh? :P 08:25:21 <Pikka> it's practically done, the 08:25:23 <Pikka> n 08:25:54 <Pikka> I have to do some colour swatching for my landscape 08:26:01 <andythenorth> landscape :o 08:26:03 <Pikka> it doesn't look right 08:26:10 <Pikka> I think the problem is that the grass is green or something 08:26:37 <Pikka> I should ask that one guy for his opinion, ho ho 08:27:01 <andythenorth> hmm 08:27:02 <andythenorth> we'll see 08:27:14 <andythenorth> he did anti-alias a load of FIRS sprites for me a long time ago 08:27:20 <Pikka> yes 08:27:48 <andythenorth> I am adding a cheating parameter for truck capacity 08:28:02 <Pikka> why 08:28:10 <andythenorth> 'boring (1x RL)' | 'fun (1.5x RL)' | 'cheating (2x RL)' 08:28:18 <andythenorth> same as speed for ships 08:28:34 <Pikka> and are you going to balance the other stats to the capacity? 08:28:38 <andythenorth> nah 08:28:40 <andythenorth> realistic truck capacity just means load of clickety clickety 08:28:46 <Pikka> or do players who want to play properly have to guess which one is the right one? ;) 08:28:53 <andythenorth> hmm 08:29:01 <andythenorth> let's see how much I care about that 08:29:05 <Pikka> :) 08:29:18 <andythenorth> I did consider truck convoys 08:29:21 <andythenorth> build 1, get 3 08:29:26 <andythenorth> like a special offer :P 08:29:39 <Pikka> yeah 08:29:45 <Pikka> articulated RVs are pants though :) 08:29:50 <andythenorth> might look bad in stations 08:29:53 <andythenorth> and overtaking would smell 08:29:58 <andythenorth> and breakdowns would be weird 08:30:01 <Pikka> novertaking 08:30:22 <andythenorth> maybe a 'clone 5' button in the gui :P 08:30:31 <andythenorth> hold down some arcane key combo 08:30:37 <andythenorth> maybe ctrl and a number key :P 08:30:47 <andythenorth> then document that in some forgotten wiki page 08:33:47 <Pikka> yes 08:34:32 <andythenorth> Pikka: this probably tl;dr but anyway http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2165/ 08:35:49 <Pikka> too complicated for me ;) 08:36:53 <andythenorth> :) 08:36:58 <Pikka> maximum weight of an australian b double is 62.5t, btw ;) 08:37:24 <andythenorth> I should remember that 08:37:27 <andythenorth> for the AU version 08:37:41 <andythenorth> I did consider making the set simple: truck (small), truck (big) 08:37:47 <andythenorth> auto-refit everything 08:37:51 <Pikka> and quads are extremely uncommon / limited 08:37:58 <andythenorth> triples instead? 08:38:05 <Pikka> but bandit I'm sure will be all quads all the time 08:38:07 <andythenorth> roadtypes, stop them going in town 08:38:10 <Pikka> even triples are fairly limited 08:38:13 <Pikka> roadtypes, yes 08:39:24 <andythenorth> hmm 08:39:27 <andythenorth> just doubles :P 08:39:56 <andythenorth> we'll see 08:40:11 <andythenorth> I'm doing UK first, to match that trainset you made 08:40:20 <Pikka> oh, that one 08:40:56 <andythenorth> yes 08:41:56 <andythenorth> maybe an express truck is nonsense 08:42:00 <andythenorth> all trucks are express :P 08:42:21 <Pikka> implied trucks 08:43:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:15 <Pikka> MAHOGANY PLANTATIONS OF AUSTRALIA PTY LTD -V- TABLELANDS REGIONAL COUNCIL in the planning and environment court 08:44:18 <Pikka> sounds fascinating 08:44:51 * Pikka is doing jury dooty this week and next, so I have to check the law lists to see if I have to go in or not 08:44:55 <Pikka> so far, I haven't had to go in :) 08:45:49 <andythenorth> :P 08:46:09 <andythenorth> NZ has silly big trucks 08:46:15 <Pikka> do they 08:46:23 <Pikka> sillier than australia? 08:47:20 <andythenorth> 4 axle tractor, 4 axle artic trailer 08:47:24 <andythenorth> not bigger than AU 08:47:33 <andythenorth> also should these be in BANDIT? http://www.flickr.com/photos/57633672@N07/7353960086/in/faves-56013107@N03/ 08:47:41 <andythenorth> or silly? 08:47:42 <andythenorth> hmm 08:47:51 <andythenorth> silly is probably why I would put them in 08:47:58 <Pikka> yes 08:48:17 <Pikka> hello dolly 08:48:40 <andythenorth> got any cargo for it in your set? 08:48:45 <andythenorth> I have engineering supplies :P 08:48:54 <Pikka> nope 08:48:59 <Pikka> except goods refits :) 08:49:03 <andythenorth> goods 08:49:08 <Pikka> it's all goods 08:49:19 <andythenorth> yup, I'd like to play MP with 20 of those going to shops in town 08:49:28 <andythenorth> bulldozers: every home should have one 08:49:35 <Pikka> you know what would be nice 08:50:00 <Pikka> if vehicles could know the type of industry their cargo came from ;) 08:50:20 <Pikka> anyway 08:50:26 <Pikka> I'm even getting rid of petrol 08:50:30 <Pikka> and going back to goods D; 08:51:00 <Pikka> dump industries are boring, might as well dump everything on towns, as goods 08:52:06 <Pikka> http://www.xtrucking.co.nz/content/feature-scandalous 08:52:11 <Pikka> no, really, what is wrong with these people? 08:53:35 <andythenorth> you don't like? :) 08:53:46 <Pikka> nope 08:53:54 <Pikka> I'm boring :) 08:54:06 <andythenorth> I could put blue lights under the trucks in BANDIT 08:54:09 <andythenorth> need alpha :P 08:54:16 <Pikka> why? 08:54:20 <andythenorth> transparency 08:54:25 <andythenorth> oh we have it somewhere 08:54:26 <andythenorth> hmm 08:54:27 <andythenorth> gtg 08:54:29 <Pikka> they're only going to be over grey roads, what's to see through a transparency? 08:54:32 <Pikka> bye :) 08:54:34 <andythenorth> time to spread light and joy 08:54:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:02:41 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-7-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:04:47 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 09:08:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:32 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:25:59 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-7-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:12 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:29 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 09:53:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-100.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:45 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:02 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 10:33:38 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 10:36:04 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:40:04 *** akruz [~drax@179.170.149.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:18 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:52 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 11:05:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:28 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 11:17:27 <andythenorth> Pikka: I've got town dump industries well covered in FIRS ;) Variety between sets is good eh? 11:17:44 <andythenorth> NO EVERYTHING MUST BE THE SAME AND CONFORM ANDYTHENORTH 11:17:53 <Ristovski> :O 11:19:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4325.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:22:52 *** i4c [~i4c@2.81.129.61] has joined #openttd 11:31:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:05 * Pikka returns 11:36:09 <Pikka> return of the /me 11:36:21 <Pikka> yes andy everything must match dbset 11:36:23 <andythenorth> partir 11:36:24 <Pikka> and ecs 11:36:25 <andythenorth> retourner 11:36:48 <andythenorth> I had better get busy 11:36:54 <andythenorth> I've never used dbset :) 11:36:59 <andythenorth> maybe that's what my next game needs 11:37:01 <Pikka> what, never? 11:37:04 <andythenorth> nevr 11:37:16 <andythenorth> I tried japan set once 11:37:19 <Pikka> what, _never_? 11:37:23 <andythenorth> *never* 11:37:26 <andythenorth> not ever 11:37:31 <andythenorth> not even in a hundred years 11:37:36 <andythenorth> nor always 11:37:47 * Pikka tut-tuts at andythenorth for not understanding certain cultural references 11:37:57 <andythenorth> sorry :( 11:38:12 <Pikka> :) 11:38:19 <andythenorth> you'd better send me a yt link for my cultural re-education 11:38:37 <Pikka> I think the name of my overall pikkaworld is going to be "big D" :) 11:38:38 <andythenorth> unless it's children's tv, or tiny bit of peter cook, I'm lost :P 11:39:19 <Pikka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c548RjB8jzQ 11:39:24 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD9E5684E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:31 <andythenorth> oic 11:39:34 <andythenorth> culchur 11:39:51 <andythenorth> oh look, that one's got a YT ad on it 11:39:53 <andythenorth> we made it :P 11:39:55 <SigHunter> whats supposed to happen when you play >2070? trains loose reliability, they become useless 11:40:10 <__ln__> *lose 11:40:17 <Pikka> build maglevs, SigHunter? 11:40:36 <andythenorth> Pikka: big D? http://bigdnuts.co.uk 11:40:41 <Pikka> I don't see youtube ads, andy 11:40:51 <SigHunter> Pikka: i have everything on lev4, after some years reliability sinks 11:40:56 <andythenorth> how bad for YT's revenue model you are 11:40:58 <Pikka> not those ones, andythenorth 11:41:03 <SigHunter> is down to 48% already 11:41:10 <Pikka> but the song @ 1:40 11:41:26 <Pikka> SigHunter: start over? :) 11:41:47 <andythenorth> NewGame 11:41:50 <SigHunter> not untill i finished my gigantic farm transport 11:41:51 <andythenorth> NewNewGame 11:42:12 <__ln__> *until 11:42:28 <andythenorth> til 11:42:35 <Pikka> till 11:42:39 <SigHunter> my bad 11:42:42 * Pikka likes __ln__ alot 11:42:48 <__ln__> *a lot 11:42:48 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:42 * Pikka is effected by the effectual affect affected by __ln__ 11:44:15 <__ln__> *affected, *effect 11:44:31 <Pikka> no, not at all 11:44:35 <__ln__> :( 11:45:03 <Pikka> well, perhaps 11:45:07 <Pikka> it depends on the meaning :) 11:45:42 <Pikka> anyway, ying tong yiddle I po 11:46:22 <Pikka> SigHunter, turn on vehicles never expire and then do resetengines in the console? 11:46:37 <Pikka> or change the year back to c.2040 and do resetengines in the console? 11:46:41 <SigHunter> resetengines is forbidden in multiplayer 11:46:49 <Pikka> shamefur dispray 11:48:22 <Pikka> andythenorth, get "ying tong yiddle I po" or "shamefur dispray"? :) 11:49:32 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD9E5684E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:51:20 <andythenorth> Pikka: it's not weebl and bob I guess? 11:51:20 <V453000> nutzzz 11:51:22 <andythenorth> o_O 11:51:34 <Pikka> nope 11:51:54 <V453000> balls to cancer :d 11:51:55 <Pikka> the goon show and/or total war shogun 2. :) 11:52:00 <andythenorth> fortunately the internet knows 12:09:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:57 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-3-118.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:01:52 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:21 *** amrith92 [~chatzilla@117.217.171.29] has joined #openttd 13:07:22 <amrith92> Hi, in my openttd (binary for ubuntu linux x86_64), the rail-road icon is always shaded - I cannot seem to use it. The same goes for the bus-stop menu in the road-construction menu 13:08:31 <amrith92> any ideas why? 13:10:54 <planetmaker> start in 1950. And make sure you don't have newgrfs active which disable the vehicles 13:11:11 <planetmaker> in earlier years with default openttd, vehicles of that type might not yet be available 13:11:22 <planetmaker> newgrfs can change that 13:11:40 <planetmaker> but there's nearly none which will make the game playable before 1870s or so 13:11:55 <planetmaker> and even there you have to know that the newgrfs work for that time 13:14:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has left #openttd [] 13:15:26 <amrith92> @planetmaker Thanks a ton! That was spot-on! Solved my issue. I couldn't find this in the documentation (at least, not in the tutorial), maybe it should be added as a Note or something similar? 13:20:16 <amrith92> # I realize that the starting date in the screen-shot in the tutorial is set to "1st Jan, 1950", but the reason behind it isn't mentioned, and neither is it the default date, which is misleading as the instructions state "Leave these to their defaults for now. " 13:20:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D648.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:49 <V453000> there should be vehicles in all climates in 1950 13:21:04 <V453000> 1950 is default? 13:22:35 <planetmaker> amrith92, 1950 is the default date 13:22:55 <planetmaker> but once you change it, your setting will be kept for future new games 13:24:29 <__ln__> it's silly to allow setting the year earlier than the earliest stuff in currently loaded grfs. 13:24:44 <planetmaker> agreed 13:25:54 <planetmaker> easier to implement though is a sanity check when pressing "generate map" though. And maybe also when you acknowledge the newgrf config 13:26:35 <planetmaker> which checks availability of vehicles at start date, and checks vehicle availability for all cargos 13:26:51 <planetmaker> but that is very easily said as opposed to the newgrf complexity you have there 13:27:41 <planetmaker> likely it boils down to generate the map, and then check whether everything works in an automated way. and then tell the user about possible shortcomings 13:27:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08f16d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:01 <planetmaker> including a nice list of newGRF warnings, if there are any 13:28:10 <planetmaker> frosch calls it newgrf utopia ;-) 13:28:21 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/NewGRF_Configuration_in_Utopia 13:30:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:31:26 <Belugas> hello 13:39:20 *** amrith92 [~chatzilla@117.217.171.29] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307122903]] 13:45:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:00:26 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 14:01:44 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:03:08 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:28:57 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-251-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:38 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-251-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:46:11 *** i4c [~i4c@2.81.129.61] has left #openttd [Saindo] 14:46:43 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: rng being a bitch; reboot] 14:55:53 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59:53 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:19 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:07:44 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:56 *** Polleke [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 15:13:56 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:21 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:44 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:41 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 15:28:14 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:17 *** stuf [stuf@heatenin.gs] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:44:21 *** stuf [stuf@heatenin.gs] has joined #openttd 15:48:04 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:11 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:31 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-070-170.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:52:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:01:46 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:18:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4325.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac158d4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:48 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 16:40:59 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:41:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 16:54:09 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 17:19:12 *** adamt [~adam@93-166-250-82-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:37 <adamt> Hello, just a quick question. 17:20:51 <adamt> If i run a dedicated client, is there a way of connecting to the game from bash? like a separate rcon executable? 17:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> there is the admin port, but no (finished) client for that is available, only some libraries 17:23:44 <adamt> ah, wasn't aware of the admin port. 17:24:40 <adamt> is http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/docs/admin_network.txt the best description of the protocol? 17:25:21 <planetmaker> adamt, the xterm you start openttd acts as such. Simply start openttd in a screen session 17:26:06 <planetmaker> but the admin port is the more advanced / more versatile solution 17:27:37 <adamt> oh, i wasn't aware that i could communicate with ttd directly after starting the server. is that the rcon interface that is exposed there? 17:28:25 <planetmaker> basically yes. You don't need rcon or rcon password there. Just issue the rcon commands 17:28:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:46 <adamt> (tbh. i just need an easy way of spawning a server, loading saves etc., so my girlfriend can start a persistent network server) 17:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, then simply typing the commands in after starting the server will do 17:29:47 <adamt> planetmaker, okay, great. so i just wait for the "starting game" message and start throwing commands after it? much easier that i had expected :-) 17:30:29 <planetmaker> adamt, yes. But if you run on a dedicated server, you should start screen before. Otherwise server is terminated when you log off 17:30:35 <adamt> Eddi|zuHause, I'm not going to type any commands, i'm going to control it from a web interface. 17:30:47 <Bonez305> planetmaker: wouldn't -D help too ? 17:30:58 <adamt> Bonez305, it's still attached to your session 17:31:15 <adamt> although i suppose you could play with disown instead of screen, or nohup. 17:31:19 <planetmaker> Bonez305, you need that in any case... 17:31:21 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:45 <Bonez305> I guess I'll shut up now, I know nothing of Linux lol 17:31:47 <planetmaker> adamt, yes, maybe there are other solutions. I never looked for anything else but screen 17:31:53 <Bonez305> I don't even know how I got the server running 17:32:05 <adamt> Eddi|zuHause + planetmaker, thanks for the advice! :-) 17:32:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> adamt: maybe if you have enough spare time, you can develop and publish a decent web-interface based on the admin port 17:33:25 <adamt> planetmaker, i just want less technically-able users to be able to bring up a new server from a web interface and control basic things, so i wont be using screen, just spawning it directly from the webapp. 17:34:00 <adamt> Eddi|zuHause, there's certain properties that makes the admin port more interesting for me anyways, but let's see where this goes. Should be a nice little project. 17:34:23 <planetmaker> adamt, yes... might work. Actually for that purpose the admin port with a proper script might be better suited 17:34:53 <planetmaker> But I'm not aware of any admin port script 17:35:07 <planetmaker> people keep them, if they have them, to themselves... 17:35:11 <adamt> planetmaker, yeah, even though it should be rather easy to just run openttd -D and use std{in,out}, but the admin port solution is probably much less fragile. 17:35:12 <planetmaker> or so it seems 17:36:29 <planetmaker> adamt, *iff* you could bake a solution to marry web interface and admin port - I think that it will be very well received. At least I shall be interested in it :D 17:36:33 <adamt> my gf is crazy about openttd, but prefers playing on a network server so a friend can join and help, and i don't want to learn her how to edit openttd.cfg and use screen. and rcon. :P 17:37:40 <planetmaker> that's understandable 17:37:50 <planetmaker> tbh, once setup it makes management easier 17:37:57 <planetmaker> likely ;-) 17:45:59 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:47:31 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> adamt: well, her client can run as server as well, just start as multiplayer game. althought that might need firewall/router tweaking 17:49:21 <adamt> Eddi|zuHause, and it's not very persistent, her pc being a laptop. 17:51:03 <adamt> maybe it's easier to start with implemented a http api inside openttd. :P 17:51:07 <adamt> *implementing 17:52:01 <planetmaker> nah, just use the admin port, use a ready http library (python, java, whatever) and forward commands to openttd 17:52:03 <planetmaker> that's the purpose 17:53:15 <planetmaker> https://bitbucket.org/Xaroth/libottdadmin or http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/joan are python or java libraries for the admin port access 17:53:32 <planetmaker> they might need a bit polishing... but work in principle 17:53:48 <adamt> the documentation of the admin port is kinda unclear, like, how is the enums serialised? 17:55:43 <planetmaker> https://github.com/timmy469/openttd-admin is there obviously, too 17:55:50 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:01:10 <Terkhen> hello 18:04:38 <adamt> planetmaker, i know about network programming, i'm just not sure about what values the enums are translated into in the protocol 18:05:57 <planetmaker> adamt, likely OpenTTD's source is the best information source there... 18:07:11 <planetmaker> hi Terkhen 18:08:11 <planetmaker> though... we have somewhere the doxygen for that... 18:10:00 <planetmaker> http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/docs/admin_network.txt tells you actually where to look 18:10:07 <planetmaker> src/network/core/tcp_admin.h 18:10:22 <planetmaker> so it's just a matter of reading the supplied docs ;-) 18:11:29 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/aed1fb9e9315/src/network/core/tcp_admin.h 18:12:36 <adamt> my c is rusty, are the enums just translated to int values starting from 0 and incrementing by 1 (and skipping enums with specific values)? 18:13:32 <__ln__> quite much so. 18:13:45 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause> adamt: when one enum value has a specific number assigned to it, the following enum values will be increments of that number 18:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so A=0, B=1, C=2, D=32, E=33, etc. 18:19:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:20:08 <adamt> Eddi|zuHause, ach so. 18:21:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4d32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:06 <NGC3982> WAT 18:22:08 <NGC3982> Oh. 18:22:11 <NGC3982> Rusty is my middle name. 18:22:57 <__ln__> how's your floor? 18:26:13 <adamt> i don't see where http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/docs/admin_network.txt specifies how to actually do things like rcon-commands. sure, it mentions the enum involved, but what terminates the rcon command that follows, and how should the command itself be packed? 18:26:52 <adamt> <enum>rcon magic as ascii<null>? 18:27:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18E09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, like any C string, i suppose 18:35:24 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:36:29 <Alberth> o/ 18:37:52 <planetmaker> o/ Alberth 18:42:07 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:42:13 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25111 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-03-20 18:45:18 UTC) 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 3 changes by KorneySan 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> greek - 22 changes by Evropi 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> icelandic - 11 changes by Stimrol 18:46:31 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 19:03:04 *** chester_ [~chester@95-28-24-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:09:32 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:10:04 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:15:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:39 <Alberth> hmm, it seems you have to patch programs yourself to keep them running :( 19:17:53 <Ristovski> Alberth: welcome to windows 19:18:11 <Alberth> it's linux, tortoisehg to be exact 19:18:32 <Alberth> Fedora is a biit very bleeding edge ;) 19:19:03 <Ristovski> oh, nvm then, and linux here aswell, debian wheezy 19:21:21 <frosch123> tortoisehg on linux? 19:21:30 <frosch123> i thought it was a pure windows thingie :) 19:23:45 <Alberth> it's Python ;) 19:28:47 <planetmaker> frosch123, tortoise(hg|svn|git) is available for all ^ 19:35:16 <frosch123> i assume it some kind of gui then :) 19:35:30 <frosch123> oh, i mean "gux" ofc :) 19:39:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:06 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:45:03 <Alberth> http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/ 19:46:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:48 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-232-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:53:27 <Wolf01> o/ 19:53:48 <Alberth> hi 19:54:13 <frosch123> hmm, how long will it take till Turkey offery to buy Cyprus? 19:54:44 <frosch123> i guess gaddafi would have suggested that :p 19:55:51 <Wolf01> how long would take 'till Germany offers to buy Italy? 19:56:21 <frosch123> i guess longer than it would take germany to return to dmark :p 19:57:09 <frosch123> Wolf01: germany would only buy mallorca from spain 19:57:18 <frosch123> i don't think there is particular interest in italy 19:58:31 <Wolf01> ^ it seem that's our govern think the same 19:58:54 <frosch123> hmm, maybe the english would also bid for mallorca 20:00:41 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:06 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 20:04:49 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 20:18:01 *** FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:20:10 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@p57AF112B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:21 <SigHunter> is it normal that oil production is permanently decreasing? 20:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:22:41 <planetmaker> in the default game: yes 20:22:59 <SigHunter> why is that? makes oil totally useless 20:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a feature of the temperate oil wells, they only ever decrease production and then disappear 20:23:16 <SigHunter> -.- great feature 20:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> to phase them out in favour of offshore oil platforms 20:23:54 <SigHunter> k thx for the info 20:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there are newgrfs which remove this effect 20:24:51 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:55 *** gooodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:34:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4325.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:35:41 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:46 *** gooodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: gooodger] 20:35:49 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:22 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@p57AF112B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:59:40 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:01:16 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:52 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: OUCH!!!] 21:11:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-100.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:52 <Zuu_> So nowdays users don't just want a tailormade forum response, they also want you to make a video tutorial for them... 21:21:07 <goodger> there is nothing better than watching video game footage at a fraction of the game's intended resolution, especially when it's an unrehearsed screencast done by a man with a thick accent and a cheap microphone inside his mouth 21:22:07 <frosch123> night 21:22:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4d32.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-100.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:28 <planetmaker> hehe, Zuu_ - I also though "wtf?!" when I read that. But chose to ignore the ... what is it called? audacity? impertinence? 21:24:46 <goodger> either of those is a good choice 21:25:28 <adamt> you forgot about the awesome screencasts with techno in the background, or rather, loud enough to make the voice-over seem like a voice-under... 21:25:56 <planetmaker> it's not that... it's a user asking a question and demanding a video tutorial as answer, adamt 21:26:43 <adamt> planetmaker, i was just jumping in to goodger's apparent train of thought 21:26:59 <planetmaker> people making video tutorials IMHO is fine. And good. That they can improve is... well... a learning curve, I guess :-) 21:27:13 <planetmaker> I wouldn't do it better, most likely 21:27:29 <planetmaker> aye, yeah :-) 21:27:48 <planetmaker> I find it also hard to follow at times when I listened to it 21:28:08 <planetmaker> and chillcore is totally right with his remarks on giving people some break to breath and absorb a thought 21:35:13 *** SILVER-Bucket [~marlowe@li490-134.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:38:21 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:42:52 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:43:13 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 21:49:33 <Wolf01> 'night 21:49:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:50:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-100.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:55 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 22:03:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:08:40 *** adamt [~adam@93-166-250-82-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:03 <V453000> video tutorials? :D 22:27:26 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:28 <Zuu_> Yeah, whats wrong with intractive tutorials. It has moving pictures and is .. interactive :-) 22:34:13 <Zuu_> Althrough a GS tutorial that explains how to setup a server is a bit out of the picture. 22:35:22 <glx> I already seen video tutorial with just text :) 22:36:01 <glx> my first reaction was "why do a video for that ???" 22:36:45 <Zuu_> Next cool thing is to release an e-book as a GS. :-) 22:37:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18E09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:43 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-50dd93-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:21 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 22:42:59 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@0001707a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:43:13 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-070-170.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:43:14 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@0001707a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:50 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@0001612d.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:46:14 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@0001612d.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 22:48:41 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:48:44 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:51:32 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:51:45 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:58:12 *** chester_ [~chester@95-28-24-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:36 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-153-251.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:28 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:38 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-50dd93-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:15:02 *** akruz [~drax@177.197.110.216] has joined #openttd 23:15:41 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-50dd93-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:13 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:31:00 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-50-150-145-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:32:50 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:02 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:49:22 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:49:40 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 23:54:43 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:46 <Terkhen> good night 23:57:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4325.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:56 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-5d85760b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:09 *** FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]