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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:39:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:44:42 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46:42 *** adamt [~adam@vpn-nat.statsbiblioteket.dk] has joined #openttd 07:48:44 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:16 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:30 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:04:11 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-247-209.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:06:20 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:09:54 <V453000> where the hell is andy :D 08:10:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> where in the world is andy sandiego? 08:14:32 <V453000> in ze north? :D 08:15:02 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ac840b3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:24:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-199-232.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:26:52 <V453000> hm, does anyone has an idea what does AORE in ECS stand for? 08:27:00 <V453000> there is no bauxite/aluminium ore, right? 08:27:16 <V453000> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes claimz that ECS uses it 08:28:13 <V453000> oh there is 08:28:14 <V453000> hmm 08:29:32 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:29:54 <V453000> strange, loading machinery vector does not enable it apparently 08:30:05 <V453000> while http://www.tt-wiki.net/images/ttwiki/1/1a/Ecs_Cargovectors_1_2_0_full.png claims that 08:31:19 <V453000> well, fuck ecs 08:32:23 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 08:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ECS vectors is weird somewhat, the vectors have to be loaded in the right order 08:36:58 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:36:58 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-199-232.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:56:44 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:35 <V453000> I guess, it is kind of written there but I cba to load 321413 newGRFs tbh 09:00:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:05:47 <V453000> why I am solving all this is because I never imagined bauxite as rather light pink, which andy currently added to CHIPS :D as FIRS uses the original copper ore mine and ECS uses some other colour bauxite thing, I am not sure what to think of that 09:07:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:08:09 <V453000> ha 09:08:22 <V453000> andythenorth: what colour is bauxite meant to be? :d pink? 09:09:11 <V453000> also hello :P 09:09:30 <andythenorth> http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/3f0e0c72915484f263f6e729ce3de87f/LKF-330409.jpg 09:09:50 *** nipnop [nipnop@lastninja-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:54 <V453000> that be orange/red not pink 09:10:30 <andythenorth> funny colour bauxite 09:11:03 *** snappy [nipnop@lastninja-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:14 <V453000> according to latest chips https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/unicorn_bauxite.png 09:11:35 <V453000> if you are sure on that I will just adapt NUTS to it 09:12:23 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-110-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:14:35 <andythenorth> I made that quite ugly :o 09:14:37 <andythenorth> ho ho 09:14:43 <andythenorth> unintended 09:14:51 <andythenorth> nvm 09:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> ho ho <-- yes, it looks very christmas-y outside :p 09:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> we had easter-weather on christmas, so it's only fair to have christmas-weather on easter :p 09:16:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-110-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [] 09:16:24 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:16:29 <V453000> well, if you made an intended thing, I would happily adapt :P NUTS uses this https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/unicorn_bauxite2.png 09:16:35 <V453000> should be more red I assume 09:17:11 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:19 <andythenorth> I guess it should be more red 09:17:29 <andythenorth> but then it might conflict with iron ore and copper :P 09:17:36 <andythenorth> and I think I used the pink in HEQS :P 09:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause> metals are just all the same, lets unify them... 10CC-style :p 09:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> just have "passengers", "mail", "raw materials" and "goods" as cargo :p 09:19:18 <V453000> What I have to say is, the pink certainly does not conflict with anything :D 09:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and possibly some food-ish stuff to make town growth happy 09:19:22 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19:24 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 09:19:29 <V453000> so I am not Entirely against pink but it looked wtf on the first sight 09:19:39 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 09:20:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:20:23 <V453000> bye eddi :< 09:20:34 <andythenorth> come back eddi :P 09:21:50 <alandarev> is there any solid pack with 32bit graphics? 09:22:54 <V453000> if solid word is important, no 09:23:09 <V453000> pixel art rules the world today 09:23:31 <V453000> 3rd expansion to starcraft will be in pixel art too 09:23:40 <V453000> confirmed 09:25:11 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:52 <V453000> andythenorth: I will try to think about something 09:27:53 <V453000> like now 09:29:19 <V453000> option A: candyfloss pink, theme: when WTF, then properly WTF 09:31:30 *** nipnop [nipnop@lastninja-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:15 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:36:12 *** snappy [nipnop@lastninja-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:23 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-20-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:37:02 <V453000> welll 09:37:52 <V453000> andythenorth: the heaps in CHIPS need more shades :P 4 aint enough ... I might give it a try to enhance them sometime soon if you like 09:38:40 <andythenorth> hmm 09:38:45 <andythenorth> 4 is ttd style :P 09:39:17 <andythenorth> V453000: also would you ever use anything like this when working on your grfs? 09:39:18 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/cargos_code_reference.html 09:39:30 <andythenorth> trying to figure out if it's useful 09:40:01 <V453000> you mean the page itself? 09:40:29 <V453000> I think pages like this are massively useful because cargoes are major mess, but I think unified in the tt-wiki in cargo labels is the best spot in the end 09:40:55 <V453000> 4 is borked, ttd style regardless :P 09:41:11 <V453000> OR needs to have 4 with larger brightness range for moar contrast 09:41:31 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:55 <andythenorth> V453000: which info is useful in the page? 09:42:13 * andythenorth needs a user to think about when designing it 09:43:10 <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/unicorn_bauxite3.png 09:43:23 <V453000> well of course mainly which cargo goes to which label 09:43:28 <V453000> But 09:43:45 <V453000> I still think the most important information is which All cargoes do go under that label which is best on unified page at tt-wiki 09:43:58 <V453000> But, info like ID and multiplier is sure good to know 09:44:05 <V453000> or, can be I guess :) 09:44:21 <andythenorth> I could print out loads of info-porn, just not sure if anyone cares :P 09:44:28 <V453000> :D info porn 09:44:35 <V453000> anyway, the thing I posted is my attempt at bauxite colour 09:44:49 <V453000> uses a bit of pink plus the darker pink and pinkbrown 09:44:58 * andythenorth -> work 09:45:00 <andythenorth> bye 09:45:04 <V453000> didnt try to "enhance"tm the heap of shit yet 09:45:09 <V453000> later 09:45:18 <andythenorth> V453000: looks better I think 09:45:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:14:02 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:50 <alandarev> are bots supported in multiplayer? (I know there isn't much sense in having bots in MP but still) 10:19:03 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 10:19:49 <V453000> yes and yes 10:21:29 <peter1139> bots? 10:21:44 <V453000> AI 10:24:38 <peter1139> oh 10:24:39 <peter1139> of course 10:28:11 <V453000> well AI in single player indeed is pointless, but in multiplayer it is seriously wtf :D 10:28:23 <V453000> reducing your cpu cause yeah 10:34:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:41 <peter1139> oh you 10:38:33 <V453000> I want to have as short work shifts as you andy 10:38:40 <V453000> 50 minutes 10:39:52 <V453000> do you actually teach some bastards? :D 10:39:53 <Terkhen> good morning 10:40:00 <V453000> hi Terkhen 10:49:10 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 11:19:49 <V453000> OMG all ships drawn :D 11:19:56 <andythenorth> :o 11:20:09 <andythenorth> V453000: irc at work innit 11:20:12 <V453000> well it is one ship right now, but all wagons 11:20:25 <V453000> :) 11:20:28 <andythenorth> I am boss 11:20:40 <V453000> well we know that :p 11:22:44 <V453000> anyway, looking at your heap naow 11:23:05 <andythenorth> this is me http://www.happygrrls.com/howto/excelatwork.jpg 11:23:13 <andythenorth> V453000: I don't like those heaps 11:23:18 <andythenorth> you have to redraw them all 11:23:26 <andythenorth> they're too high 11:24:14 <V453000> high is nice But they need more contrast and shit so that that they would look less flat 11:24:28 <V453000> :D nice leader 11:24:42 <andythenorth> also this guy http://www.steamenginefinancialcoaching.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/office-space-boss.jpg 11:24:44 <andythenorth> is me 11:24:46 <V453000> I will try some enhancing when keeping the same shape for now 11:24:48 <andythenorth> I even look like that 11:24:53 * andythenorth is distracted 11:25:00 <V453000> :D 11:31:42 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 11:35:09 <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/unicorn_bauxite4.png somewhat? 11:35:13 <V453000> andythenorth: ^ 11:35:49 <andythenorth> ok nice 11:35:57 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [] 11:36:14 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 11:40:20 <alandarev> do I put grf files into My documents/OpentTD/newgrf? 11:42:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:46:59 <peter1139> no 11:47:07 <peter1139> yes 11:47:09 <peter1139> maybe? 11:49:25 <V453000> I choose option 4 11:50:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:28 <V453000> wat andy gone again 11:55:30 <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/heapz.png 11:55:30 <V453000> zz 11:55:39 <V453000> he doesnt have backlog does he 11:55:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:57 <alandarev> can I increase UI scale, as high resolution small monitor is a pain in the ass how UI becomes uber-small 12:28:06 <Pinkbeast> Increasing the font size will help a bit... 12:34:00 <alandarev> why I can't find zBase in-game Check Online Content feature? 12:34:20 <alandarev> nevermind :( found it after opened same thing from main menu 12:35:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:29 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:40:53 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-31-253.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:46 <V453000> andythenorth: this is how my hopper cargoes look with the eventual heap https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/heapz.png ... just directly recoloured, no touches 12:48:07 <alandarev> looks fine 12:48:43 <alandarev> ah sweet, zBase is exactly what I needed :) 13:06:04 <alandarev> how do I add that difficult town growth requirements to my game (offline) the ones I saw on town-challenge servers? 13:07:06 <HellTiger> how much money i should have to start building tracks complete around a 256*256 island? 13:08:38 <__ln__> *starting* is cheap 13:11:50 <alandarev> where can i find server scripts? 13:12:03 <V453000> try game scripts 13:12:42 <alandarev> thanks, now i can find :) 13:26:33 <Belugas> hello 13:27:21 <__ln__> bon 13:28:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:34:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B7D8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:34:46 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:36:05 <alandarev> can I have several game scripts? 13:36:08 <alandarev> enabled 13:45:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 13:50:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [] 13:52:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B7D8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:19 <dihedral> hello 13:55:18 <alandarev> I am having problems trying to download Balanced City Growth game script. through manager, it downloads I click OK, and then it just dissapears, if I go to manager again - it offers to download again (no green circle) 13:55:36 <alandarev> I tried manually, I have put the tar.gz file into newgfx folder but game does not detect it 13:57:38 <alandarev> I can see the file in Openttd/content_download/game/balanced_city_growth-3.tar but in GS selection it is not there 13:58:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B7D8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:58 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-76-26-9-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:29 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:22:18 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 14:35:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:44 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:04 <Bonez305> what setting in cfg would I change to make the game finish at a certain amount of money and restart? 14:57:30 <Belugas> as far as i remember, nowhere. You would need a goal script or somethng like that 14:58:11 <Belugas> in other words, vanilla ottd does not have taht feature 14:58:26 <Belugas> unless things have changed drastically since last time i checked ;) 14:59:48 <Bonez305> Belugas: Ah, more stuff to give me a headache :D. I can barely start a server properly haha 15:01:08 <Belugas> continuous learning... happens even at game level ;) 15:01:50 <Bonez305> I've been helped twice to setup a server on my linux box, but everytime I attempted it myself and can't seem to get it. 15:02:02 <ToBeFree> Bonez305: you again :D 15:02:08 <ToBeFree> tell me if you need something^^ 15:02:09 <Bonez305> ToBeFree: Oh yea :D 15:02:35 <ToBeFree> I mean, the basic procedure is simple or at least it sounds simple: 15:02:37 <Bonez305> Well, I reinstalled everything on the VPS to get a clean start and failed at installing openttd lol 15:02:45 <ToBeFree> 1. start the fresh Ubuntu/Debian server, 15:02:56 <Bonez305> well I installed it, just don't remember how to get it to start 15:02:59 <ToBeFree> 2. make it secure (disable root logins, move the port whatever), and 15:03:00 <ToBeFree> oh, 15:03:11 <ToBeFree> that's the third step after you installed openttd: 15:03:19 <ToBeFree> openttd -D -f 15:03:21 <ToBeFree> should run 15:03:27 <Bonez305> from anywhere? 15:03:44 <ToBeFree> yes, but you probably want to modify ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg 15:03:51 <ToBeFree> or replace it by one you created on your home PC 15:04:00 <ToBeFree> and don't run that command as root please^^ 15:04:03 <Bonez305> well I won't have ./openttd/ until i start it once 15:04:37 <ToBeFree> okay, start it as any user first, then shut it down with a SIGTERM (use htop if you like), and modify/replace it^^ 15:04:52 <Bonez305> I don't think i have htop :/ 15:05:03 <ToBeFree> sudo apt-get install htop 15:05:04 <ToBeFree> ;-D 15:05:37 <ToBeFree> I recommend writing it down, but *not* copying it into the command line 15:05:55 <ToBeFree> every time you have to enter it yourself, you learn it, I'd say :-) 15:06:10 * Bonez305 nods 15:06:39 <ToBeFree> if you want to send a SIGTERM using another user than the one you used to start openttd, you have to use root/sudo 15:07:12 <ToBeFree> that's a nice thing: Other users would not be able to kill your processes. I think even MS Windows has that 15:07:22 <ToBeFree> ;-) 15:07:46 <Bonez305> ok installed htop 15:07:57 <ToBeFree> openttd server is running? 15:08:47 <Bonez305> openttd command not found? 15:08:56 <ToBeFree> sudo apt-get install openttd^^ 15:09:03 <ToBeFree> or you install a .deb: 15:09:07 <ToBeFree> sudo dpkg -i file.deb 15:09:12 <Bonez305> I have installed 15:09:15 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-253-197.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:17 <ToBeFree> hmm 15:09:19 <ToBeFree> using dpkg? 15:09:51 <ToBeFree> you are not trying to run it as root, too? 15:10:06 <Bonez305> yes :/ 15:10:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has left #openttd [] 15:10:17 <ToBeFree> "whereis openttd" 15:10:27 <Bonez305> in the root folder 15:10:33 <ToBeFree> huh 15:10:37 <ToBeFree> I assume it is /usr/games/openttd ;-) 15:10:41 <ToBeFree> so you can run: 15:10:46 <Bonez305> oh the game yes. 15:10:47 <ToBeFree> /usr/games/openttd -D -f 15:10:48 <ToBeFree> :D 15:11:27 <Bonez305> started :D 15:11:31 <ToBeFree> :-) 15:11:56 <ToBeFree> now kill it with htop (SIGTERM), and if you need a valid config to auto-run your server, it is probably the best idea to start a network server from your home computer, then close OpenTTD using the in-game exit button/entry 15:12:32 <ToBeFree> after that, replace the ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg on your server with the config from your PC 15:12:46 * ToBeFree wonders if there will be character encoding problems 15:12:52 <ToBeFree> er, line-break things 15:12:53 <Bonez305> how do I kill the program? 15:13:16 <ToBeFree> with htop open, look for the process (my version has F4 for filtering, but I assume yours has F3 for search again), 15:13:42 <ToBeFree> press the kill key (you'll see that at the bottom, where F3 is also described) 15:13:45 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-253-197.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:13:50 <ToBeFree> and select SIGTERM from the list. Enter and killed^^ 15:14:24 <Bonez305> nice 15:14:30 <Bonez305> i forgot all about htop :D 15:15:09 <Bonez305> So will openttd stay on even after i disconnect from SSH? 15:16:04 <ToBeFree> if you run it like I wrote, yes :-) 15:16:43 <ToBeFree> not all programs allow you to do it conveniently like this; if you need something else running while you are away, there are tools like "nohup" and "screen" 15:17:13 <ToBeFree> even better, OpenTTD gives you the command line output as a log file, openttd.log, so you can always check what's happening 15:17:41 <Bonez305> Alright. 15:17:41 <ToBeFree> "tail -f ~/.openttd/openttd.log" is nice to see what's happening in real time 15:17:54 <ToBeFree> I assume you need a way to enter admin commands 15:18:03 <ToBeFree> that's possible and easy, too: 15:18:35 <alandarev> ToBeFree: while you are helping with linux server to Bonez305, may I ask some similar questions regardless my debian server? 15:18:53 <ToBeFree> yes; if they are not openttd related, let's move to /query or #linux 15:18:57 <Bonez305> I actually have a Debian server alandarev :D 15:18:57 <alandarev> There are awesome servers with city challenge, but I struggle to make one even on my local windows client 15:19:18 <ToBeFree> Bonez305: in the openttd.cfg, you can add a line like this in the [network] part: 15:19:36 <alandarev> I want to create own server with city challenge like goal, are gamescripts used on those servers private? 15:19:37 <ToBeFree> rcon_password = Ihavakoolpazzword 15:20:08 <ToBeFree> alandarev: do you mean with "private" that nobody can copy them? 15:20:26 <alandarev> ToBeFree: private that they do not share with community 15:20:28 <Bonez305> No he means servers with custom settings 15:20:59 <alandarev> ToBeFree: there are several city challenge servers with all the fancy automation, like "place your HQ to take a city", proteciton etc.. I want same but can't find 15:21:02 <ToBeFree> alandarev: as long as you are able to run it on Windows, you can (probably) easily move it to a Debian/Ubuntu server 15:21:17 <Bonez305> ToBeFree: Should I get rid of all the other settings under [NETWORK]? 15:21:26 <ToBeFree> until you found a way to run a server like this on Windows, I probably can't help you with OS-specific help 15:21:27 <ToBeFree> :-) 15:21:29 <alandarev> ToBeFree: yah, but I can't run it, that's the trick. I can't seem to find scripts those game servers use 15:21:30 <ToBeFree> Bonez305: nooo 15:22:25 <alandarev> I managed to launch server both on windows and linux, I just can't find how would I make my server as awesome as other without needing to write my own game scripts 15:24:18 <ToBeFree> alandarev: that's not OS specific, just saying; I suggest asking the admin of one of the "awesome" servers how they did it 15:24:19 <Bonez305> alandarev: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65%7Cdevelopment 15:24:37 <Bonez305> This forum has alot of gamescripts and helkp available. 15:24:40 <ToBeFree> there are usable game-scripts on the BaNaNaS server (the one you get the GRFs from) 15:24:51 <ToBeFree> but they might not be as awesome as the ones you have seen 15:28:38 <Bonez305> I'd just like something simple where your gamemode restarts after someone makes it to a certain $ 15:29:17 <Bonez305> Could I remove network id from config? 15:29:32 <alandarev> Bonez305: yah I am currently surfing this forum 15:30:07 <alandarev> ToBeFree: "might not be as awesome as the ones you have seen" That is exactly the issue, I tried all available in GRFs :( 15:35:57 <ToBeFree> ok 15:36:05 <ToBeFree> ask the admins of the awesome servers then ;-) 15:36:41 <ToBeFree> give them your email address to send you their scripts or whatever 15:37:04 <alandarev> ToBeFree: based on your experience, how likely it is to happen? 15:37:16 <ToBeFree> Bonez305: you could restart it after a specific year without any scripts afaik 15:37:27 <Bonez305> how so? 15:37:42 <ToBeFree> alandarev: depends on the admins. If they aren't away or evil, they will give you the scripts 15:37:46 <Bonez305> under restart_game_year? lol 15:37:49 <ToBeFree> ^^ 15:38:31 <Bonez305> could I erase what is in the network_id: section? 15:38:37 <ToBeFree> I mean, they run an open-source game, probably even on Linux... Why shouldn't they give you their scripts 15:38:41 <ToBeFree> Bonez305: nooo 15:38:44 <ToBeFree> don't 15:38:54 <ToBeFree> even if nothing is written there, keep the options 15:39:03 <alandarev> what is NoGo 15:39:17 <ToBeFree> alandarev: what what is nogo 15:39:18 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:39:32 <alandarev> topic name: [NoGo] Neighbours are important 15:39:35 <alandarev> what NoGo means 15:39:43 <ToBeFree> NoahsGoalserver 15:39:53 <ToBeFree> why should I know? ;-) 15:40:12 <ToBeFree> again, should be no problem to ask the admin 15:40:15 <alandarev> just asking if somebody knows 15:40:24 <alandarev> it's a topic at tt-forums.net 15:40:39 <alandarev> in Game Scripts section 15:40:47 <ToBeFree> look at the topic then? 15:40:49 * ToBeFree shrugs 15:41:27 <alandarev> no really, I did, and I know what this script is about, but I found no single explanation what NoGo stands for and what it means, evnethough I met it in different places several times aleady 15:44:10 <alandarev> Can I have several game scripts enabled (more than 1) at same time? 15:44:15 <Bonez305> I'm bout to just say f it :/ 15:49:31 <Bonez305> Where do I set map size? sprite_Cache_size_px? 15:49:59 <alandarev> Bonez305: based on its name, soundsl ike a very wrong place to modify 15:51:22 <Bonez305> hrmm, then Where? 15:52:02 <alandarev> where should I place .tar.gz files downloaded directly from bananas? 16:09:01 <peter1139> you should unzip them 16:09:08 <peter1139> well, ungzip 16:09:12 <peter1139> but not untar 16:09:28 <peter1139> and then put it in the approriate data directory 16:12:50 <NGC3982> Evening. 16:17:59 <Ristovski> planetmaker: hmm, could I get voice in the dev channel? 16:18:35 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac158d4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:52 <V453000> say it here and they will ask you to move the discussion if they deem it necessary 16:19:18 <Ristovski> ah, nvm then 16:19:52 <V453000> lol k 16:20:38 <Ristovski> :P 16:20:55 <Ristovski> I just said that since "Voice (talk-right) upon request via #openttd" 16:21:01 <Ristovski> but yeah, nvm 16:21:16 <V453000> I just dont understand when people need rights they dont intend to do anything with them 16:27:08 <peter1139> i just don't understand why we need a dev channel when we have here 16:27:29 <michi_cc> Ristovski: The .dev channel is meant as an alternative if this channel gets full with non-dev stuff. Talking here is totally alright. 16:28:18 <peter1139> just kick from here if it gets off topic :p 16:28:40 <michi_cc> Playing OTTD isn't really off topic though ;) 16:29:07 <Ristovski> ok 16:36:06 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:41:25 <V453000> I dont think talking about various real life trains is too on-topic either ;) :P 16:41:36 <V453000> or about frosch and unicorns in his garage 16:49:02 <Ristovski> true 16:55:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f64a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:03 <V453000> speaking of the unicorn 17:09:18 <frosch123> quak 17:16:52 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:31 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-247-209.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:29:16 <HellTiger> are there any costs calculators 17:29:46 <HellTiger> lets say what 1000 railways cost or so 17:31:04 <Pinkbeast> There are some UI elements to show the cost of an individual build before building it (eg a big tunnel) but not really. 17:31:17 <Pinkbeast> In particular rail costs can (and do) change in newgrfs... 17:33:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:34:01 <alandarev> how to invite a person to the company? when I try to join my friend, it says he has to invite first 17:34:55 <HellTiger> i wana get oil from oilfield. better make small route for ship and large one for train or let ship drive far? 17:36:16 <alandarev> how to invite to join company? 17:36:19 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 17:37:08 <molv_> have all your ships in an area drop at the same transfer 17:39:34 <HellTiger> good 17:39:36 <HellTiger> thx 17:43:26 <frosch123> alandarev: there is no such thing as invite in ottd 17:43:37 <frosch123> if you are playing on a modified server, you have to ask the server admin 17:48:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19494.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:35 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:58:52 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:14:51 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 18:30:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25125 /trunk/src/lang (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-03-27 18:45:17 UTC) 18:45:27 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 9 changes by Devastator, Stabilitronas 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 1 changes by GunChleoc 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> welsh - 31 changes by kazzie 19:02:25 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:02:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:02:58 <Alberth> moin 19:03:35 <frosch123> hai 19:05:51 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:21 <andythenorth> lo 19:17:12 <Alberth> hi andy 19:22:20 <V453000> him again! 19:24:13 <Alberth> and the V person too ! hi :) 19:25:45 <andythenorth> what I need is someone to finish FIRS for me :) 19:25:49 <andythenorth> volunteers? 19:26:16 * frosch123 just notices that "V" looks like a unicorn upside-down 19:26:26 * Alberth prints big yellow "FIRS 1.0" stickers 19:28:12 <andythenorth> what I need is some users with actual requirements for documentation 19:28:17 <andythenorth> otherwise I'm guessing :P 19:28:36 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/set_overview.html 19:28:41 <Alberth> HellTiger: Pressing 'shift' gives a cost estimate of an operation 19:29:28 <HellTiger> ye 19:29:36 <HellTiger> but for tracks over complete map it dont work Alberth 19:29:50 <HellTiger> oke i could make a test map ultraflat 19:31:10 <Alberth> why do you want to know if you never actually buy it in a game? 19:31:30 * Alberth guesses it is 1000* the cost of a single tile 19:32:17 <Alberth> I stop caring about money the moment I get as much income as I spend buidling new stuff :) 19:37:09 <Alberth> andy: the only form I can think of is a nice industries picture with cargo arrows 19:39:54 <andythenorth> that one I can't do :P 19:52:05 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 20:02:04 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-42-185.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:16 <LordAro> evenings 20:03:55 <Alberth> hi hi 20:09:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host18-237-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:15:00 <Wolf01> hi :o 20:19:50 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has joined #openttd 20:22:47 <Alberth> hi 20:22:49 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:24 <Wolf01> I purchased another display, now I could use my computer in stereoscopy :P 20:25:01 <Wolf01> so I can play TT in 3D 20:28:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:15 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:28:41 <Alberth> display the entire world at the main view :) 20:37:06 <andythenorth> I fixed up docs a bit 20:37:07 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/set_overview.html 20:37:10 <andythenorth> needs pictures :P 20:37:28 <andythenorth> "here's some I made earlier" :P http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=point_7_release#aluminium_plant 20:39:30 <Alberth> the latter is much prettier :) 20:39:54 <Alberth> I cannot go back to the first page in the set overview, it seems 20:40:21 <Alberth> and lots of the data is too technical, and not aimed at end-users, imho 20:40:24 <andythenorth> prettier because of the images, or the smaller style? 20:41:21 <Alberth> more readable information 20:41:47 <Alberth> ie I don't care about internal IDs, or internal cargo names 20:42:21 <andythenorth> I am +1 to that 20:42:44 <Alberth> and the picture gives a better visualisation of what you talk about then the name of the industry 20:42:47 <andythenorth> yup 20:52:54 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-247-209.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:57:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.0] has joined #openttd 20:57:24 <andythenorth> so what are the 'features' of FIRS? :) 20:57:30 <andythenorth> why do you guys play it? 20:57:35 <andythenorth> I need some bullet points for my docs 20:58:26 <Alberth> more connection opportunities 20:58:58 <frosch123> longer cargo chains 20:59:06 <frosch123> different types of cargo requirements 20:59:22 <frosch123> "mass transport" vs. "spreaded transport" 20:59:23 <Alberth> cycle and production boost cause large changes in the transport network 20:59:52 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:59:54 <frosch123> [21:59] <frosch123> different types of cargo requirements <- s/cargo/transport/ 21:00:05 <Alberth> "challenges the transport network design" :) 21:00:22 <frosch123> "no realism crap" :p 21:00:41 <Alberth> only if you play with nuts :p 21:00:44 * frosch123 is not so sure abouit that 21:00:52 <Alberth> :) 21:01:09 <andythenorth> can I assume that everyone has html for docs? 21:01:18 <V453000> I would even say the opposite but hm :D 21:01:20 <andythenorth> are there people who really want to be able to read the docs in emacs :P 21:01:22 <andythenorth> ? 21:01:44 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can safely assume that noone will read any doc, that is not accessible via a simple click somwehre 21:01:54 <andythenorth> awesome 21:02:19 <andythenorth> FIRS readme must look horrible in game, it's huge 21:02:45 <V453000> I basically replaced readme with a wiki 21:02:49 <frosch123> i guess you should go for some online doc 21:02:50 <V453000> I had 10k character readme too :s 21:02:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B7D8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:19 *** ckop64 [~ckop64@193.68.59.245] has joined #openttd 21:03:26 <Alberth> restructured text ;) 21:03:54 <ckop64> hey I can't find the autoreplace list item. shouldn't it be on the bottom of the train replacement window? 21:04:28 <andythenorth> hmm 21:04:32 <andythenorth> .rst parser :P 21:05:05 <frosch123> ottd only has 3 font sizes and 16 colours 21:05:12 *** CornishPasty [uid158@hillingdon.irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:13 <frosch123> no bold or italic and stuff :p 21:05:25 <frosch123> and no bullet points and indenting 21:05:44 <V453000> readme should have minimal amount of info imo 21:05:45 <frosch123> hmm, though you can do that with monospace and unicode bullet points 21:06:06 <Alberth> ckop64: http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace#Autoreplace 21:06:49 <V453000> NUTS readme is actually still quite wtflong 21:07:05 <andythenorth> I'll edit 21:07:09 <andythenorth> "wtf, go play" 21:07:10 <andythenorth> done 21:07:11 <Alberth> andythenorth: python-docutils-0.10-0.6.20120824svn7502.fc18.noarch 21:07:29 <andythenorth> more deps :P 21:07:31 <andythenorth> :) 21:07:39 <Alberth> is what contains rst2html here 21:08:09 <ckop64> Alberth, I swear it wasn't there 5 minutes ago. :D Whatever, I'm silly. Keep up the good work and happy building for you all! :) 21:08:36 <andythenorth> blearch, docs age badly 21:08:48 <V453000> dogs too 21:08:54 <andythenorth> lots of outdated info 21:08:55 <andythenorth> dogs too 21:09:24 <Alberth> doesn't matter, nobody reads it anyway :) 21:10:08 <andythenorth> someone will :P 21:10:10 <andythenorth> then they'll complain 21:10:29 <Alberth> "write a patch" :p 21:10:35 <V453000> then only include general info instead of values 21:10:46 <V453000> guess kind of hard to do in case of FIRS 21:11:02 <Alberth> general strategy perhaps? 21:11:42 <V453000> pretty much, when you have an item, write how it is specific 21:11:54 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki/Cargo_Train_Classes like that 21:12:10 <V453000> I do add speeds there because they are crucial to curve lengths 21:12:27 <V453000> but other than that the page does not age if I change the train stats a bit 21:12:32 <V453000> which I do rahter often 21:14:23 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:14:23 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:54 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:20:37 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:21:28 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:44 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:23:58 *** CornishPasty [uid158@id-158.richmond.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:24 <Terkhen> good night 21:24:42 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:26:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:30:17 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:30:46 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 21:31:16 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 21:49:56 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:53:42 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.174.70] has joined #openttd 21:55:28 <frosch123> night 21:55:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f64a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:51 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:55 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-76-26-9-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19494.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:36 *** ckop64 [~ckop64@193.68.59.245] has quit [Quit: Távozom] 22:13:56 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ac840b3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:24:01 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:24 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:27:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:43:43 <LordAro> @logs 22:43:43 <DorpsGek> LordAro: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 22:49:37 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-42-185.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:52:10 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:55:24 *** adamt [~adam@vpn-nat.statsbiblioteket.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:40 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:17:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:32 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:27:29 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-247-209.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:56:57 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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