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#openttd 12:16:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:19:46 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:57 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:54 <V453000> hello! is there any way how to make all odd values evaluate the same way as 1: 3: 5: ? kind of dont want to spam all the way up to 255 12:24:51 <peter1139> (x & 1) == 1 12:25:13 <V453000> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2205/ I mean in NML 12:25:16 <V453000> forgot the paste :> 12:27:25 <V453000> hm yeah NML doesnt approve :s 12:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot evaluate for both "last vehicle" and "all odd vehicles" at once 12:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> for "all odd vehicles" just add "& 1" to the variable you are checking 12:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> but then all even values will result in "0" 12:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need to check for "last vehicle" in a separate switch 12:28:42 <V453000> position_in_consist_from_end & 1 ? 12:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 12:28:50 <V453000> thanks, will try 12:29:08 <peter1139> heh no. just use a bit of logic 12:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's possible. but seeing his current stage of logic, i'd not make it too complicated :p 12:30:19 <V453000> see, Eddi understands my situation 12:31:48 <V453000> I already have 4 switches or how many there, so ... :p 12:32:49 <V453000> cant hurt 12:34:32 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2206/ somehow like this, V453000 12:35:07 <V453000> it says it doesnt like the gateway :( 502 12:35:20 <planetmaker> delete cookies 12:35:40 <planetmaker> dunno why we have that issue again. Was gone... but seems to be there again :S 12:36:08 <planetmaker> or probably only with replies to pastes... and that is seldom used 12:37:16 <V453000> how the hell is cookies called in czech :DDD sec 12:38:31 <V453000> dunno, opening in other browser :D 12:38:53 <V453000> yeah that is what I am doing pm :) but thanks 12:39:18 <V453000> I have there many other switches added to that, mainly random of colours, and then colours attached to spritesets, and there even was some other thing formerly :D 12:40:46 <V453000> ._. adding 30k lines of code and like 10k more sprites seems to have slowed down my compiling to like 10 minutes :( 12:42:00 *** Polleke_ [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:17 <V453000> works =D except some stupid alignments 12:46:27 <V453000> but that isnt related :) 12:47:10 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-31-253.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:48:03 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-31-253.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, nmlc has issues with larger code files 12:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> which is why i have this totally elaborate and unwieldy system of partial compiles set up 12:49:00 <V453000> 60 000 atm :d 12:49:31 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i think CETS is a bit more than that 12:50:53 <V453000> well with that many engines .. :) 12:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> currently i have 146k lines in .gnml files 12:51:09 <V453000> :DD 12:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> which doesn't include the spritesets 12:51:13 <V453000> most of my stuff is wagons 12:51:45 <V453000> wagons for every cargo, X loading stages, X variations of every cargo, and X generations of the wagon itself ... in the last case 12 colourful variations of the whole :D 12:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> have you tried doing the colours with recolour maps? 12:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of separate spritesets for each colour? 12:53:54 <V453000> no ... I always post-edited them after recolouring ... this time I even didnt so a recolour map would probably be a lot smarter solution there 12:54:26 <V453000> it is done now but whenever I will need to edit it I will probably try that option 12:57:05 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:02:32 <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/Donfingley%20Market%20Transport%2C%202096-09-05.sav try to remove that station tile, guaranteed openttd crash to me 13:02:48 <V453000> should I make a new issue or is it related to some? 13:05:04 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a fix recently about crashing station tiles 13:05:25 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:36 <planetmaker> the PublicServer was updated after that 13:05:41 <V453000> r25137 13:05:57 <planetmaker> so either it's the savegame being corrupted from before. Or it's something else which triggers the same thing 13:06:41 <V453000> it is weird from my point of view :d other tiles around it are safe to remove, that one isnt 13:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> was something about stale reservations, i think 13:07:07 <V453000> I guess 13:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> if so, then forcing a train onto that platform should resolve it 13:08:26 <V453000> :D 13:08:48 <planetmaker> it might be corrupted savegame... 13:08:52 <planetmaker> from before the fix 13:09:02 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/5b47b2c1d4c8 13:09:03 <V453000> hmz 13:09:11 <V453000> it is a station tile without rail, cant even replace it 13:09:20 <planetmaker> can't overbuild w/o crash? 13:09:28 <planetmaker> then you have to leave it or start a new game, I guess 13:10:05 <planetmaker> Or build the correct direction of rail station on it 13:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: anyway, sounds like you should make a bug report 13:10:12 <planetmaker> maybe... dunno :-) 13:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: remove all station sets, then it should revert to a station with rail :) 13:10:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-166-48.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (warning: horrible file corruption ahead :)) 13:11:25 <V453000> right 13:11:33 <planetmaker> lol. That's so crazy. But actually might work 13:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause> (In Theory(tm) it should allow re-adding the station sets afterwards, and restore the other stations. but must be the same grf order) 13:12:06 <V453000> what I tried so far was to overbuild in both directions, and re.reserve the station (even though it cannot be accessed) 13:12:08 <V453000> all crashed 13:12:13 <V453000> trying newgrf changes now 13:12:39 <V453000> yeah 13:12:45 <V453000> when I remove ISR it doesnt crash 13:13:27 <V453000> LOL XD 13:13:53 <V453000> tried to remove ISR, then add it again, it crashed upon opening station window, without even clicking the actual tile :D 13:15:55 <V453000> removing the tiel before adding ISR again seems to be safe 13:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "Dutch consumer debt amounts to about 250 percent of available income. By comparison, in 2011 even the Spaniards only reached a debt ratio of 125 percent" 13:19:45 <Belugas> hello 13:19:48 <Belugas> hello 13:20:43 <V453000> hel000 13:22:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 13:27:45 <V453000> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5520 :| 13:37:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:58 <Ristovski> whats the package name for nmlc? when compiling opengfx it says it's missing 13:40:26 <Ristovski> got it 13:43:53 <Ristovski> huh? "No rule to make target `ogfx1_base.gfx.dep', needed by `ogfx1_base.grf'. Stop." 13:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> something missing? 13:44:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember ever trying to compile opengfx 13:45:10 <Ristovski> what would be missing tho 13:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, what compile environments do you usually use? 13:47:42 <Ristovski> what do you mean 13:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> for when you ever compile anything 13:48:10 <Ristovski> I use gcc 13:48:33 <Ristovski> and im on Debian Wheezy X64 13:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you did, it just works here 13:51:15 <Ristovski> nwo it says "nmlc: "sprites/base/base-3701-smoke-explosion.pnml", line 30: alternative_sprites-block requires 2 or 3 parameters, encountered 4" 13:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong/old nml version? 13:51:44 <Ristovski> I just installed it from the repo 13:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't mean anything 13:52:02 <Ristovski> version 0.2.3 13:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it likely needs 0.3.x 13:52:30 <Ristovski> hmm, ok 13:56:39 <Ristovski> works, thanks Eddi|zuHause! 13:56:51 *** ST2 is now known as xT2 13:56:51 *** xT2 is now known as ST2 13:56:54 *** ST2 is now known as xT2 14:04:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:23:41 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:32 *** Polleke_ [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:01 <Ristovski> why do I need graphics on a dedicated server? (I did do ./configure --enable-dedicated) and I am running with openttd -D 14:36:51 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 14:49:03 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:52:41 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:56:40 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:10:32 <Rubidium> Ristovski: because "graphics" isn't only "images", but it also contains some data for certain stuff such as the landscape generators 15:11:02 <Ristovski> oh, ok 15:12:29 <Sacro> 'On the download page you will also find the complete change log...' <- where? 15:12:40 <Sacro> oh 15:12:43 <Sacro> the [changelog] button 15:14:50 *** molv [~molv@ip24-251-142-159.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:16 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:19:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac158d4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:01 <V453000> hm what does the & 1 exactly do? 15:33:22 <V453000> e.g. position_in_consist & 1 15:34:28 *** FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:35:23 <Sacro> takes the second bit 15:35:45 <Sacro> ie AND 0b00000010 15:35:46 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:35:55 <V453000> ._. 15:37:07 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:40:02 *** FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 15:40:20 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:40:53 <michi_cc> Sacro: In my world 1 is 0b00000001 15:41:19 <V453000> those numbers I understand but they are far off my world so .. :P 15:41:40 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:15 <TinoDidriksen> & 1 takes the 2nd bit only on Tuesdays. 15:42:36 <michi_cc> & 1 is basically the same as if you'd take the number % 2 (modulo 2), i.e. the remainder of the (integer) division by 2. 15:43:14 <michi_cc> (And now Eddi can hit me because the mathematical modulo isn't at all the same as a remainder :p) 15:44:18 <V453000> thats what I figured 15:44:24 <V453000> luckily Eddi is missing atm :P 15:46:18 <Sacro> michi_cc: pssh 15:46:27 <Sacro> I never specified a base 16:00:21 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:58 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 16:48:22 <Terkhen> hello 16:51:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f66d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:42 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:45 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:42 <frosch123> moin 17:04:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:37 *** molv [~molv@ip24-251-142-159.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A196BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:15 <Ristovski> I like how ships can pass through each other 17:20:22 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 17:24:49 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:49 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.3.31] has joined #openttd 17:44:34 <Wolf01> hello 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25139 /trunk/src/lang (4 files in 2 dirs) (2013-04-03 17:45:15 UTC) 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:27 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 3 changes by Marcadana 17:45:28 <DorpsGek> faroese - 177 changes by FastNinja 17:45:29 <DorpsGek> galician - 16 changes by Michi 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> macedonian - 4 changes by Ristovski 17:45:41 <Ristovski> hmm 17:46:32 <frosch123> you can highlight yourself once per day :) 17:52:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:54:18 <Ristovski> frosch123: lol 17:54:21 <Ristovski> indeed 17:55:29 <Ristovski> any idea how big zbase's repo is? 17:57:13 <frosch123> i would guess 500MiB 17:57:22 <frosch123> maybe more 17:58:40 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-052-075.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:26 <frosch123> oh, i am confusing it with ogfx+trains 18:00:44 <frosch123> i have no idea about zbase, never had a checkout 18:08:12 <Terkhen> I would guess it is many times larger than that :P 18:09:35 <frosch123> i am at 160 MiB, and do not have 10 revsions yet 18:09:49 <frosch123> thought maybe the first revisions are bigger 18:12:14 <Ristovski> lol 18:12:24 <Ristovski> frosch123: tho zbase is missing lots of sprites 18:12:31 <Ristovski> and the menu icons are *huge* 18:13:35 <Wolf01> where's Alberth? I want my Alberth! ok, I'll pass to the next character... hello Belugas, how are you? 18:13:35 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:13:38 <Wolf01> lol 18:13:40 <frosch123> r10: 200 MiB, r20: 226 MiB 18:13:47 <frosch123> Wolf01: nice one :) 18:13:49 <Wolf01> hello Alberth 18:13:59 <Ristovski> lol 18:14:12 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 18:15:12 <Alberth> I arrived jit :) 18:15:19 <frosch123> Alberth: Wolf01 asked about you in the same second as yoi joined 18:15:34 <frosch123> [Wednesday 03 April 2013] [20:13:36] <Wolf01> where's Alberth? I want my Alberth! ok, I'll pass to the next character... hello Belugas, how are you? 18:15:35 <frosch123> [Wednesday 03 April 2013] [20:13:36] Join Alberth has joined this channel (~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl). 18:16:08 <Wolf01> let me catch breath 18:16:10 * Alberth planned that very carefully :D 18:17:51 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:25 <Alberth> Ristovski: my zbase is 2048740 kb, ie 2.0GB according to 'du' 18:21:41 <Alberth> and it's not the latest one :) 18:21:48 <Ristovski> :O 18:22:04 <Ristovski> but... that's the size of a OS 18:22:10 <Ristovski> D: 18:22:16 <frosch123> Ristovski: that's the size of the whole history 18:22:23 <frosch123> do you only want to know the latest revision? 18:22:30 <Ristovski> yes 18:22:46 <Ristovski> and why does it keep the whole history anyways? 18:22:59 <frosch123> because we use version control systems 18:23:05 <frosch123> like every sane person does 18:23:31 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2207/ 900MB without the .hg directory 18:24:07 <frosch123> Ristovski: see, keeping the whole history only requires twice the storage memory 18:24:16 <Ristovski> thats.. akit 18:24:17 <Ristovski> alot* 18:24:19 <frosch123> and you know about every line or pixel who and why it was done 18:24:58 <Ristovski> lol 18:25:12 <__ln__> *a lot 18:25:35 <Alberth> disk space is cheap 18:26:21 <Kjetil> backup is not :P 18:26:40 <Alberth> buy another disc :) 18:26:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:26:57 <Alberth> o/ Zuu 18:27:06 <Zuu> Hello Alberth 18:27:07 <Ristovski> Alberth: it is, but not if you need to download shit on a 50-250kb/s connection 18:27:18 <Ristovski> and RARELY I get like 2mb/s 18:27:23 <frosch123> Alberth: 5 seconds too late :p 18:27:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 18:28:14 <Alberth> Ristovski: try a 38k4 modem :p 20MB/hour :) 18:28:24 <Ristovski> lol 18:29:40 <Alberth> but yeah, for collections of 32bpp pixels, your speed is quite useless 18:29:59 <Ristovski> indeed 18:30:02 <Alberth> especially at the scale of zbase :) 18:30:17 <Ristovski> Alberth: I was downloading zbase (package) for like 30 minutes 18:30:27 <Terkhen> Ristovski: you may want to clone an early revision and start updating in small intervals if you don't want to do it all at once 18:30:37 <Ristovski> I might.. later 18:30:46 <Terkhen> :P 18:31:13 <Ristovski> I hate my ISP D: 18:35:18 <Alberth> hmm, your problem may be worse; the build stuff used to be in zbasebuild, which has zbase and opengfx as subrepos 18:35:32 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:36:33 <Rubidium> Alberth: so he actually needs to clone zbuild ;) 18:36:47 <Ristovski> D: 18:36:56 <Ristovski> aah screw it, I wont clone it 18:37:00 <Ristovski> would have to waste hours 18:37:22 *** lugo [lugo@000189e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:44:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:30 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:48:53 <andythenorth> meh 18:48:55 <andythenorth> nothing 18:48:59 <andythenorth> even in suggestions forum 18:50:04 <Belugas> mmh? 18:50:19 <Belugas> ho... hello Wolf01 :) 18:50:46 <Alberth> hi andy, sir B 18:50:48 * Belugas thinks andythenorth suffers from white page syndrom ;) 18:50:54 <Wolf01> hello Belugas :) 18:50:55 <Belugas> hello sir A :) 18:57:22 <Zuu> frosch123: I can reproduce FS#5519 (town_cmd assert) with seed 9. However it is probably connected to my town density settings among others. The assert in question is triggered when a generated town have zero population but OpenTTD still fails to delete it. I'm currently trying to figure out why it fails to remove the town. 18:58:38 <frosch123> i would try a breakpoint at town_cmd.cpp:2648 18:58:57 <frosch123> conditional whether ret.Failed 18:59:18 <frosch123> then you can check which kind of tile it fails to clear 19:00:46 <Zuu> frosch123: I had one in 2648 and figured out that it fails on tile 639911. 19:01:20 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:29 <Zuu> Now I blame myself for not inserting a compiled condition into the code instead of using a slow conditional break point which slows down the loop a lot. :-) 19:02:28 <frosch123> you could take the time to fetch some coffee :p 19:03:36 <frosch123> that tile is water for me 19:04:20 <andythenorth> Belugas: you mean fear of the white page? 19:05:26 <Zuu> frosch123: Here it's a MP_TUNNELBRIDGE 19:05:35 <Belugas> indeed, andythenorth, indeed :) 19:06:17 *** chester_ [~chester@95-26-236-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:06:20 <andythenorth> see a blank page, fill it 19:06:23 <andythenorth> fear over :P 19:07:05 <Alberth> kids are very good at that :) 19:09:59 <frosch123> Zuu: ok, i try to make a scenario which enforces a bridge :) 19:13:12 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/forcebridge.png <- now i only need to make it fail building houses :) 19:15:39 <frosch123> still does not crash for me 19:16:44 <frosch123> yay, reproduced 19:16:53 <frosch123> it's important to disable extra_dynamite 19:17:13 <frosch123> so, problem is likely in tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp:721 19:22:37 <Zuu> If it is of any help, here is the tile data of the tile in my test case: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2208/ 19:24:24 *** CornishPasty [uid158@id-158.richmond.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:21 <frosch123> hmm, so when are towns allowed to remove their own bridges :) 19:29:25 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:08 *** CornishPasty [uid158@id-158.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:35 <Zuu> Owner of the bridge is MAX_COMPANIES (16) while it check for owner OWNER_TOWN (15) 19:31:28 <frosch123> so, OWNER_NONE 19:33:31 <Zuu> hmm, sorry. Owner of bridge is MAX_COMPANIES. And it is 0x0F which is 15. 19:33:48 <Zuu> Both MAX_COMPANIES and OWNER_TOWN is 0x0F 19:34:01 <Zuu> I don't know where I got 16 19:34:37 <Zuu> ah... _current_company is 16. 19:35:39 <Zuu> So at line 717, road_owner change from 16 to 15. 19:37:47 <frosch123> (rt == ROADTYPE_ROAD && !Company::IsValidID(_current_company))) return CommandCost(); <- so, that silly check implicitly allows OWNER_NONE to remove roads :s 19:40:48 <Zuu> Did you trace it down to that check? 19:41:30 <Zuu> I see that the if-statement on line 721 evaluates to true and that CheckTileOwnership(tile) then returns false. 19:42:45 <Zuu> My extra_dynamite is set to false. 19:44:02 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/fs5519.diff <- actually two issues 19:44:17 <frosch123> the town_cmd thing is the real problem, OWNER_NONE vs OWNER_TOWN 19:45:28 <frosch123> the tunnelbridge_cmd should fix that towns could potentially remove bridges with tram from other companies 19:46:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:11 <Zuu> So the first fix will execute DeleteTown as OWNER_TOWN instead of OWNER_NONE? Are you sure that doesn't add any new bugs? 19:49:28 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:49:38 <frosch123> nope :p 19:49:43 <frosch123> but it is the correct thing to do 19:49:48 <frosch123> the stuff is build as OWNER_TOWN 19:49:54 <frosch123> so it should also be removed as OWNER_TOWN 19:50:20 <frosch123> GrowTown() also switches to OWNER_TOWN 19:51:38 <V453000> town == enemy 19:56:13 <Zuu> frosch123: I don't follow how your second fix works to stop OWNER_TOWN from destroying tram bridges owned by companies. However it may still be a correct fix as I'm a bit tired now. :-) 19:56:47 <frosch123> the "return CheckTileOwnership(tile);" is supposed to always fail, just to give the right error messag ehwne extra_dynamite is disabled 19:57:00 <frosch123> but it would succeed for _current_company = OWNER_TOWN 19:57:17 <frosch123> and thus it would not do the ret = CheckOwnership(tram_owner, tile); below 19:57:38 <Zuu> Ah ok 19:59:56 <andythenorth> hmm 19:59:59 <andythenorth> FIRS 2? 20:00:06 <andythenorth> GOPD 20:00:10 <frosch123> andythenorth: is there a forum thread? :p 20:00:16 *** chester_ [~chester@95-26-236-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00:21 <andythenorth> all good sets start with a forum thread 20:00:40 <Eddi|zuHause> then CETS cannot be good 20:00:47 <frosch123> no, i mean, is there a forum thread guessing what would make up firs 2.0 ? 20:00:52 <V453000> me is insulted as well 20:00:54 <V453000> there you have it 20:01:13 <frosch123> you have a release thread at least 20:01:41 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:26 <andythenorth> FIRS 2.0 thread 20:02:28 <andythenorth> hmm 20:02:36 <Zuu> I can confirm that your fix to town_cmd.cpp fixes my test case. 20:02:42 <andythenorth> don't 2.0 threads mostly guess at what *wont'* be in the next version? 20:03:04 <andythenorth> how about 'guess what's in BANDIT' 20:03:05 <andythenorth> :P 20:03:17 <andythenorth> vote now if you want a new truck set 20:03:28 * andythenorth is mostly serious about BANDIT 20:03:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "FIRS 2.0 should implement cargo destinations, taking over industries and a tetris minigame" 20:03:36 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'll get right on that 20:03:57 <andythenorth> I did ask frosch123 for clickable industry tiles 20:04:18 <andythenorth> tetris is possible if an industry can handle user clicks 20:05:50 <V453000> if there isnt unicorn tile then dont even bother 20:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause> or even better: a warehouse with a sokoban minigame ;) 20:06:56 <Zuu> andythenorth: When GS was new, someone made a mini-game script published at forums. It placed a tree in a square area. When you demolished it, it would place a new random tree in this area. 20:07:29 <andythenorth> tetris is included here: http://tmrc.mit.edu/history/ 20:07:49 <frosch123> tree-tic-tac-toe :) 20:08:02 <Zuu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=58184 <-- Whack-a-Tree 20:09:27 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=47238 <- well, if we take the initial post only, we are about there :p 20:09:48 <frosch123> it says: c++, goals, scripted scenarios, interactive tutorial 20:11:19 <andythenorth> yes 20:11:25 <andythenorth> I mentioned that a few weeks ago :P 20:11:30 <andythenorth> technically, 1.3.0 is 2.0 20:12:03 <Zuu> Isn't it 1.2 which is 2.0? 20:12:12 <andythenorth> maybe 1.3 is 2.1 20:12:27 <frosch123> well, i like the year thingie better :p 20:12:29 <andythenorth> if it was up to me, I'd announce in forums that we made a mistake 20:12:40 <andythenorth> and say that surprisingly, 2.0 is now doen 20:12:43 <andythenorth> done * 20:12:53 <Rubidium> frosch123: but 1.3 are the 13 in 2013 ;) 20:13:08 <frosch123> yes, that's what i mean :) 20:13:09 <Zuu> frosch123: So next release will be 2.4 to accomondate for that? 20:13:20 <Zuu> Or 2.3.1 :-) 20:13:22 <andythenorth> why not count in hex? 20:13:45 <frosch123> andythenorth: you had the chance with firs, and failed :p 20:13:55 <andythenorth> FIRS is fail 20:13:59 <andythenorth> I should delete it 20:14:01 <frosch123> Rubidium: now we only need to make releases quarterly 20:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that means in 2020 we need to release 2.0 20:14:14 <andythenorth> so nobody wants a truck set 20:14:16 <andythenorth> meh 20:14:24 * andythenorth will play flash games then 20:14:35 <andythenorth> Alberth: what was that thing we were working on? 20:14:37 <frosch123> andythenorth: code bananas 2.0 :p 20:14:43 <andythenorth> oh oh oh 20:14:46 <andythenorth> banananaanas 20:14:56 <andythenorth> I thought it was seriously insanely hard? 20:14:59 <Zuu> or review http://devs.openttd.org/~zuu/musa.patch :-) 20:15:07 <Alberth> just bottle it? :) 20:15:29 <andythenorth> bottle is dubious? 20:16:11 <Zuu> andythenorth: The up side with musa is that it is free from Django :-) 20:16:23 <andythenorth> hmm 20:16:25 <andythenorth> django 20:16:28 <frosch123> unchained from django? :p 20:16:43 <andythenorth> :P 20:16:50 <Zuu> :-) 20:17:01 <V453000> im afraid the WETRail has opened a gateway to a whole new dimension of WTF, and the gate seems to be impossible to close 20:17:16 <V453000> expect the worst :D 20:17:16 <andythenorth> V453000: I was worried that migh happen 20:17:20 <frosch123> V453000: you need canals which blend in with them 20:17:32 <andythenorth> you need ekranoplancats 20:17:32 <frosch123> to green stuff on the coop server next to the ships looks weird 20:17:34 <V453000> with who? :D 20:17:46 <andythenorth> you need actual catamarrans 20:18:03 <V453000> you mean when used on water with canals 20:18:21 <frosch123> yes 20:18:35 <V453000> myeah, I just wouldnt use them that way 20:18:42 <V453000> the canal will be there anyway 20:18:48 <V453000> even if I use full water tile 20:19:14 <andythenorth> hmm 20:19:20 <andythenorth> diagonal rivers? 20:19:24 <andythenorth> I would draw them 20:19:41 <frosch123> V453000: anyway, if i understood wetrail correctly, it has no curve penalty, right? 20:19:46 <V453000> until rivers are re-buildable they are like unusable anyway 20:19:58 <V453000> it has normal rail penalty 20:20:01 <andythenorth> V453000: +0.8 20:20:13 <frosch123> hmm, ok, maybe it does not matter with the low speeds 20:20:30 <frosch123> ecranoplanes could have higher curve penalties 20:20:31 <V453000> exactly 20:20:34 <andythenorth> shall we ditch the water transport? 20:20:37 <V453000> 88kmh is the shortest curve 20:20:39 <V453000> not counting 90deg 20:20:40 <andythenorth> in favour of v's solution? 20:20:53 <andythenorth> what could go wrong? 20:20:55 <V453000> I wouldnt do that 20:21:11 <frosch123> andythenorth: you mean, replace cargos with railtypes? :p 20:21:16 <V453000> this what I did should be just something extra tbh 20:21:23 <V453000> :DD 20:22:10 <andythenorth> because...? 20:22:10 * andythenorth likes bold steps :P 20:22:10 <andythenorth> ah, a FIRS translation update :) 20:22:10 * andythenorth has something useful to do 20:22:34 <andythenorth> frosch123: everything is cargos is railtypes 20:22:35 <V453000> :DDD 20:22:58 <andythenorth> V453000: did you do it because you could? Or because water transport is lame? 20:23:13 * Alberth puts andy on the right track 20:23:19 <V453000> both 20:23:30 <V453000> and I am specifically famous for hating on ships on our servers 20:23:43 <andythenorth> I hate ships 20:23:45 <V453000> so ... just got the idea of doing it and followed it 20:23:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:24:03 <V453000> you hate ships because they have 103708 pixels and you drew them :) 20:24:11 <Zuu> V453000: So now you are going to provide a substitute for ships on the #openttdcoop servers? 20:24:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25140 trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp (2013-04-03 20:24:10 UTC) 20:24:17 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5519]: Towns are build as OWNER_TOWN, so they also need to be removed as OWNER_TOWN. 20:24:27 <andythenorth> and because they go in stupid non-diagonal routes 20:24:35 <andythenorth> and get trivially stuck 20:24:35 <V453000> I wouldnt say that Zuu, in fact I am not even sure if I will continue drawing ships 20:25:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25141 trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp (2013-04-03 20:25:06 UTC) 20:25:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix: When extra dynamite was disabled, towns would be allowed to clear bridges with trams. 20:25:18 <V453000> hint: water transporter does not necessarily have to be a boat 20:25:18 <Zuu> V453000: Will not your water rails trains look like ships? 20:25:34 <Zuu> Ok 20:25:36 <V453000> some of them will 20:25:44 <andythenorth> do some giant ducks 20:25:45 <V453000> some of them will be off the chain of wtf 20:25:47 <andythenorth> like chuckie egg 20:26:06 <Zuu> A flum ride trunk? 20:26:14 <andythenorth> http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/470617-chuckie-egg-bbc-micro-screenshot-level-9-is-a-repeat-of-the.gif 20:26:45 <V453000> you guessed one of them zuu :) 20:26:53 <frosch123> [22:24] <Zuu> V453000: So now you are going to provide a substitute for ships on the #openttdcoop servers? <- check the save in fs#5518 20:27:06 <Zuu> V453000: Or even better tug boat with loggs floating behind? 20:27:24 <V453000> second one except there will probably not be tug boat but something else instead 20:27:27 <Zuu> And when it's emtpy a rope is floating behind? 20:27:27 <V453000> or maybe even tug boat 20:27:28 <V453000> who knows 20:27:42 <V453000> there are options :) 20:27:46 <Zuu> :-) 20:28:01 <V453000> atm I am drawing a water turtle convoy 20:28:06 <V453000> your argument is invalid 20:28:14 <frosch123> i see, V will turn toyland into rollercoaster land 20:28:20 <frosch123> including water rides 20:28:30 <Terkhen> good night 20:28:42 <frosch123> night terkhen 20:29:18 <V453000> LOL 20:29:22 <V453000> almost there frosch123 20:29:35 <V453000> I didnt yet say that the tugboat subsitutes for a unicorn goldfish 20:31:51 <andythenorth> oops 20:31:55 * andythenorth plays chuckie egg 20:33:20 <Zuu> Interesting @ save in fs@5518 20:34:38 <V453000> thats the start :) 20:37:31 <frosch123> Zuu: actually i mean 5520 20:37:35 <frosch123> but maybe its the same 20:37:38 <frosch123> both coop 20:38:11 <V453000> same game in fact 20:39:17 <Zuu> A passenger station with WETRails make me think of flum rides :-) 20:39:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:39:47 * andythenorth not very good at chuckie egg :( 20:41:05 <frosch123> hmm, maybe V is a vegarian, and wants to spoil us with the cute livestocks in nuts :p 20:43:54 <V453000> :D 20:46:12 <andythenorth> imagine if V does a truck set :P 20:46:37 <frosch123> the monorail in nuts is essentially a truck set 20:46:51 <frosch123> at least those i saw on monday nocargoal game 20:48:05 <frosch123> V453000: did you consider magic carpets for transport? 20:48:32 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:49:03 <V453000> not quite 20:49:06 <V453000> too realistic 20:50:18 <frosch123> i am just trying to trick you into aircraft :p 20:54:35 <Ristovski> lol 20:55:42 <andythenorth> so what do I do with strings like STR_GRF_URL? 20:55:46 <andythenorth> which are in english.lng 20:55:52 <andythenorth> and also every translation :( 20:55:55 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:55 <andythenorth> pointlessly :P 20:55:57 <frosch123> you can translate them to localised urls 20:56:01 <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/TURLORZ.png 20:56:05 <V453000> turtle convoy anyone? 20:56:05 <V453000> wip 20:56:14 <Ristovski> lol 20:56:30 <Ristovski> V453000: add magic carpets, as frosch123 suggested 20:56:46 <andythenorth> frosch123: ho ho, localise all the docs :P 20:56:50 <andythenorth> perhaps not :) 20:56:52 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: i thought they are auto-generated? :p 20:57:20 <andythenorth> yup 20:57:27 <frosch123> just feed another language :p 20:57:32 <andythenorth> it's not a stupid suggestion 20:58:09 <frosch123> just one which involves work with questionable effect :) 20:58:17 <andythenorth> yup 21:08:47 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:11:23 <frosch123> night 21:11:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f66d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:57 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 21:46:14 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-052-075.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 21:46:33 <Wolf01> 'night 21:46:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:50:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:56:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A196BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 21:57:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C15B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:35:15 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:43:29 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@000128f3.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:49 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:51 <Zuu> Hmm, maybe I/someone should write some python code that detects which libraries a script or library imports and then verify the dependencies it sets upon upload. 23:00:20 *** tycoondemon2 [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:00:36 <Zuu> A such check would then not be able to handle conditional imports which squirrel can do, but I doubt that any AI/GS uses an if-statement to decide which library to import. 23:03:51 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:11 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:f0f9:4d9b] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:33:09 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 23:53:41 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 23:57:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]