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I forgot my own company password.. 09:06:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:00 <Wolf01> hello 09:09:25 <Alberth> moin 09:16:45 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:20:57 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:25:34 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:39:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:57:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008fa6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:58 <Wolf01> hi frosch123 09:58:18 <Alberth> o/ 09:58:34 <NGC3982> _o 10:05:47 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:03 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 10:16:31 <frosch123> moin 10:19:05 *** brambles_ [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 10:19:24 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: DarkAceZ, Ttech, @Belugas, @orudge, welshdragon_, jonty-comp, brambles, NGC3982, mikegrb, luckz, (+19 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 10:20:27 *** TheBix [~Esh@c27-253-111-53.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:20:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, @orudge, Ristovski, ZxBiohazardZx, oskari89, Mucht, Alice3, KouDy, Markk, morozz (+17 more) 10:20:48 *** Netsplit over, joins: DarkAceZ 10:21:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 10:22:54 <TheBix> net split? 10:22:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> nah more then that 10:23:15 <TheBix> ZxBiohazardZx, hey how come my train keeps entering the depot and won't drive past it? 10:23:42 <TheBix> is there something im missing that isn't in the tutorial? 10:23:42 <LANJesus> SIGNALS 10:24:39 <TheBix> LANJesus, this wasn't mentioned in the tutorials 10:26:22 <TheBix> LANJesus, also theres a video on the tutorial page that shows a train driving past the depot just fine 10:26:31 <TheBix> so theres something im missing or a bug 10:27:14 <planetmaker> electic engine with an unelectrified piece of track ahead? 10:27:22 <planetmaker> thus that it has no path? 10:31:08 <NGC3982> TheBix: Please contribute with a screenshot. 10:31:08 <TheBix> NGC3982, http://eshays.org/view.html?id=485169079 10:31:08 <TheBix> as you can see, it says its headed for the woods station but it has entered the depot 10:31:08 <TheBix> when it leaves the depot it heads back to the mines station and repeats the cycle and never reaches the woods station 10:31:08 <NGC3982> TheBix: You have a missing tile. 10:31:08 <TheBix> NGC3982, oh wow, silly me 10:31:08 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/Nwh1QgB.jpg 10:31:08 <NGC3982> A tip: When having issues like this, using the transparency buttons to navigate between levels of sight always help. 10:31:08 <TheBix> ah, where are those? 10:31:08 <TheBix> the tutorials said that right clicking on buttons provides a description but this hasn't worked for me 10:31:08 <TheBix> version 1.3.0 btw 10:31:33 <NGC3982> TheBix: Yes, click the big gear button right next to the double-speed arrow in the gameplay menu. 10:32:00 <NGC3982> In the list, you will find transparency options (hotkey ctrl+X). 10:34:08 <planetmaker> By default, TheBix , the tooltip appears by hovering over the buttons 10:34:19 <planetmaker> you can change it to right click in the adv. settings 10:36:07 <NGC3982> TheBix: Excuse the swedish translation, but you should be able to navigate with this: http://i.imgur.com/eiWHIOB.png 10:36:07 <TheBix> NGC3982, thank you 10:38:07 <NGC3982> Speaking of, i have been starting to feel the tree transparency to be a kind of cheat. 10:38:34 <planetmaker> town sizes and vehicles are a cheat ;-) 10:39:33 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:39:34 <NGC3982> It feels more real having to track down track errors manually, for some reason. 10:40:00 <planetmaker> how does that relate to transparency? 10:40:03 *** Eshays [~Esh@c27-253-111-53.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:40:40 <Alberth> he wants to walk in the forest, inspecting all tracks 10:41:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> TheBix most likely servicing or tracklayout errors 10:41:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> ow nvm you miss a tile 10:45:43 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: KouDy, Ttech, Sacro, JdGordon|, Mucht, KenjiE20, Vadtec, @orudge, confound, namad7, (+18 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 10:46:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, @orudge, TheBix, Ristovski, ZxBiohazardZx, oskari89, Mucht, Alice3, KouDy, Markk (+18 more) 10:46:47 *** TheBix [~Esh@c27-253-111-53.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:34 <NGC3982> The fences are a good giveaway. 10:48:59 <Wolf01> stardock fences? 10:49:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> blegh splits suck? 10:49:48 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 10:50:31 <ToBeFree> split resistance, obviously 10:53:57 <Sacro> By the Split! 10:56:25 <NGC3982> Wolf01: I read "< Wolf01> stargate fences?" 10:57:00 <Wolf01> :) 11:49:33 *** morozz [forex@37.140.115.157] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:51:30 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah, why must the next saveload version be something evil-ish like "introduce the engine pool" :/ 12:38:27 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 12:45:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because you're living way too much in the past? 12:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the game is only in 1942 :p 12:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but this old paxdest patch really is unplayable 13:13:04 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 13:21:35 *** Eshays [~Esh@c27-253-111-53.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:59 *** Eshays [~Esh@c27-253-111-53.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:28:20 *** goodger [~ben@host86-145-89-90.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 13:37:24 *** goodger [~ben@host86-145-89-90.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:44:25 *** morozz [forex@37.140.115.157] has joined #openttd 13:47:45 <oskari89> Regearing cargo, which industry sets it disables? 13:47:52 <oskari89> FIRS, ECS? 13:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ECS has trouble if regearing is activated afterwards 13:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise i have no experience with regearing 13:54:22 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:35 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:06:21 <NGC3982> Uhm, do any of you have an idea on how fast oil and diesel can be shipped in Sweden, by train? 14:06:53 <NGC3982> I am unaware of cargo specific speed limits. 14:09:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:22 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:24:00 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 14:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> moving liquids is always a bit tricky, if the tank is not entirely full 14:24:52 <NGC3982> Yes, i got in touch with a few friends that work on the railway 14:25:03 <NGC3982> And it does not seem to exist any cargo specific limits 14:25:31 <NGC3982> Although, 110-120km/h seems to be a normal maximum speed around here. 14:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there are physical forces and electrostatics to be considered 14:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but i guess the problem is acceleration more than actual speed 14:26:23 <NGC3982> And trying to stop, i guess. 14:27:59 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:28:35 <Alberth> that could be considered negative acceleration :p 14:28:41 <NGC3982> Yey. 14:29:50 <Alberth> I would expect that wagons are designed such that no nasty things happen no matter what the train driver tries 14:30:09 <Alberth> otherwise, people may get upset with them 14:30:13 <NGC3982> Yes. 14:30:24 <Alberth> (them = the wagon designers) 14:31:06 <NGC3982> I have a few train driver friends that helped me out with this on Facebook, and it seems like they do not approve of the Swedish speed limit regulations for radioactive material 14:31:50 *** Eshays [~Esh@c27-253-111-53.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:08 <NGC3982> It seems like you cannot ship it by train over a certain speed (by law), but at the same time, they say that the carts containing radioactive material are much more protected than a normal tanker wagon. 14:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> wait, your radioactive trains manage anything other than walking speed? 14:32:12 <Alberth> depends on who make that limit 14:33:04 <NGC3982> I guess regulations make uranium carrying carts virtually indestructable in comparison to a diesel tanker wagon 14:33:10 * NGC3982 shrugs. 14:33:16 <NGC3982> wagons* 14:33:20 <Alberth> I would hope so :) 14:33:47 <Alberth> if some politician invented that law, it is likely not based on technical concerns :) 14:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't remeber lots of people trying to stop a diesel tanker train :p 14:34:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DAC7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:31 <NGC3982> Alberth: Yeah.. 14:34:48 <NGC3982> Trying to stop it does not seem to be the reason for the regulations 14:34:51 <NGC3982> But safety 14:34:58 <NGC3982> And i don't really follow 14:35:34 <Alberth> well, politicians don't follow logic 14:35:48 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the cost of shipping radioactive containers over here is police force fending off protesters 14:35:54 <NGC3982> Yeah, i guess so. 14:36:22 <Alberth> if they used logic, their decisions might be understandable :) 14:36:33 <NGC3982> I understand having a low speed limit on radioactive material, but i do not understand why you at the same time can drive hundreds of tonnes of diesel in five times the speed. 14:36:45 <NGC3982> Though, i have noticed something strange with 1.3.0, from 1.2.3. 14:37:20 <NGC3982> While right-click scrolling the map, the minimap flashes in white (sometimes). 14:37:44 <NGC3982> It's not really a problem. 14:48:31 <Alberth> it's a feature 14:49:04 <Alberth> your cursor is over one of the industry legends then 14:53:54 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:38 <NGC3982> Leg..ends? 15:01:38 <NGC3982> :> 15:03:31 <Alberth> the text-thingies at the bottom of the minimap explaining what colour each industry is :) 15:03:55 <NGC3982> Oooh! 15:03:57 <NGC3982> Neat! 15:04:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:35 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 15:05:21 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-059-208.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:09:00 <juzza1> can i use some callback to rename my vehicle after a specific year? 15:09:27 *** parkette [~pjm@apn-46-169-181-84.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:27 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector] 15:20:23 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, names can not be changed 15:30:26 <juzza1> ok 15:45:20 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:40 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 15:49:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:05 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:58:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:34 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:49 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 16:27:09 *** morozz [forex@37.140.115.157] has quit [] 16:37:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, random idea: in scenario editor, when you place a river tile, allow ctrl+click to generate a whole river 16:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and i like the idea of randomly placing lakes (although not necessarily correlated to rivers) 16:52:21 <APTX_> http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD doesn't work for me, but other wiki pages do... 16:53:02 <Ristovski> APTX_: doesn't work for me either 16:53:13 <Ristovski> "HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error)" 16:53:37 <Ristovski> it exists tho, http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=OpenTTD&action=edit 16:54:01 <APTX_> cute 16:54:34 <Ristovski> APTX_: I betya is some broken formatting which is making the server shit itself 16:54:45 <APTX_> http://wiki.openttd.org/Building_signals ... damn 16:55:26 <Ristovski> http://wiki.openttd.org/Main_Page 16:55:28 <Ristovski> it's all broken 16:55:34 <Ristovski> even http://wiki.openttd.org/ 16:55:39 <APTX_> that works for me 16:55:43 <Ristovski> not for me 16:57:53 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Any idea why the wiki is returning 500, aka internal server error 16:58:05 <Ristovski> probably PHP 16:58:49 <Ristovski> APTX_: if the main page works for you, that means you probably just have it cached 17:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it works here 17:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and i almost never visit the wiki, so caching is probably not the case 17:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, now i got an error 17:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it happens very randomly, though 17:02:33 <planetmaker> no, I don't know. But yes I know it happens. And I asked those who can do something about it to take a look 17:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause> have you tried contacting TrueBrain? 17:03:32 <planetmaker> :-) 17:04:03 *** kero [~keikoz@152.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:32 <planetmaker> but maybe Rubidium or TrueBrain can have a look at wiki VM before more people encounter many blank pages 17:16:25 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:17:03 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:17 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 17:20:59 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:23:27 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, the debug levels for sl don't really give much useful information 17:31:11 <Sacro> stupid svn:// 17:33:27 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:34:59 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:32 <Eddi|zuHause> " * Do something of which I have no idea what it is :P" 17:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> very helpful 17:42:03 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 17:42:26 <Ristovski> lol 17:44:36 *** parkette [~pjm@apn-46-169-181-84.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #openttd 17:45:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25210 trunk/src/lang/gaelic.txt (2013-04-27 17:45:08 UTC) 17:45:16 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:17 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 6 changes by GunChleoc 17:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well the code is from r1 and the comment from r2387 17:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but i am a step closer to savegame conversion 17:59:07 <Alberth> :) 17:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i have now found all places where i need to hack in settings 17:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but now need something for the "invalid chunk types" 18:00:47 *** kero [~keikoz@152.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 18:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather "unknown chunk" 18:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and maybe match the yapp stuff onto what actually got in trunk later 18:08:23 <Sacro> install: cannot change permissions of `///usr/local/share/pixmaps': No such file or directory 18:08:26 <Sacro> :( 18:09:32 <Sacro> oh right 18:09:37 <Alberth> perhaps point ./configure to an install directory where you have write access? 18:09:37 <Sacro> --install-dir 18:09:48 <Sacro> Alberth: no, it doesn't respect DESTDIR being the problem 18:10:55 <Alberth> build directory and install directory are separate things in sane build environments 18:11:09 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:18 <Sacro> yes 18:11:27 <Sacro> and make DESTDIR=$pkgdir install 18:11:32 <Sacro> is standard nomencleture in arch 18:12:09 <planetmaker> provide us with a patch so that it does respect it :-) 18:12:10 <Alberth> ok, that's good, there are too many build environments that think the build path and the install path are the same 18:18:41 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 18:20:52 <Sacro> now why can't it find the lang directory 18:21:18 <Sacro> strace shows it finding it 18:22:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:31 <Alberth> does ./openttd -d 9 display why it is rejected? 18:24:02 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:49 <Sacro> oh there we go, had to compile it with the path i was moving it into 18:24:53 <Sacro> now it needs a graphics set >< 18:27:53 <Sacro> grr 18:27:58 <Sacro> I put it in data/baseset 18:28:00 <Sacro> what more do yo uwant 18:29:22 <planetmaker> data/baseset sounds wrong 18:29:31 <planetmaker> OpenTTD does not want a data directory anymore 18:29:38 <Sacro> ah unzip 18:29:42 <Sacro> pssh 18:29:44 <Sacro> still works 18:29:49 <planetmaker> it still does, yes 18:29:58 <planetmaker> but use baseset directly 18:30:36 <planetmaker> unless you run OpenTTD pre-1.2 alongside. 18:30:44 <planetmaker> it makes no sense to use the legacy paths 18:32:27 <Sacro> argh fuck, just overwrote my openttd.cfg >< 18:34:50 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:18 <Eddi|zuHause> use your backup 18:38:36 <Sacro> yes... 18:39:50 <Sacro> wtf 18:40:06 <Sacro> why is the version I compiled 24662M 18:40:13 <Sacro> and the windows client 24663M 18:41:37 <Alberth> you didn't update at the root of the check-out? 18:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> why did you check out a version from half a year ago? 18:43:04 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: Reddit servers have is2, cargodist and daylength 18:43:16 <Sacro> though they provide a slightly retarded diff 18:43:21 <Sacro> I might bitch for a full source dump 18:44:09 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 18:44:31 <Sacro> oh wait 18:44:38 <Sacro> it's just deleting files that don't exist in .svn 18:44:39 <Sacro> >< 18:47:33 * Wolf01 is going to watch ironman 3 and quits before somebody spoilers it :D 18:47:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:49:32 <Sacro> ah well, it lives 18:55:24 <Sacro> maybe I didn't trash my cfg, just added a load of stuff 19:01:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> !passw 19:01:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> fail 19:01:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> wrong channel, incomplete sentance 19:01:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> epic 19:04:25 <Supercheese> be glad, I think there might be auto-kick if you do that in this channel :P 19:05:00 <Supercheese> Let's test 19:05:03 <Supercheese> !password 19:05:04 *** Supercheese was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:05:38 <__ln___> ZxBiohazardZx: *sentence 19:18:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:50 <andythenorth> hola 19:20:13 <planetmaker> hola andythenorth 19:22:10 <__ln___> latin only 19:23:49 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:45 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol supercheese 19:26:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> and yes __ln__ your right 19:27:12 <__ln___> *you're 19:27:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> obviously 19:41:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i somehow don't manage to just skip a whole chunk without knowing its specific data format :/ 19:45:41 <Eddi|zuHause> so i have to replicate some functionality for understanding the data, even though the final result doesn't interest me :/ 19:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> just to know how much data i have to read 19:46:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:10 <frosch123> it is possible to skip unknown chunks 19:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> where? 19:51:16 <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2241/ <- that's my hack-tool to modify savegames 19:51:21 <frosch123> you have to uncompress it before though 19:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that won't be an issue, since i' modifying the saveload code 19:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but if i provide an empty function, it won't read any data 19:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and there i can't find a way to know the size of the chunk to just read all of it 19:57:00 <frosch123> isn't it enough to just put a NULL into the table instead of a function? 19:57:12 <frosch123> or does that only work for saving it? 19:57:17 <__ln___> can anyone point me to a book, article or reliable web page that compares different approaches to cross-platform software? e.g. native applications vs. java vs. python. 19:57:25 <frosch123> anyway, the data format contains the information of the length 19:57:36 <Alberth> do you know what follows? then you can read upto that 19:57:41 <frosch123> but it would not try to skip them with the chunk handlers 19:57:42 <michi_cc> Do you still have the sources for the old code? Simplest way is to NULL the save proc in the old version and save. 19:57:44 <frosch123> but on a lower level 19:58:14 <michi_cc> Otherwise look at SlLoadChunk() in saveload/saveload.cpp 19:59:23 <michi_cc> And replicate what SlLoadCheckChunk() does in there as well. 19:59:32 <Alberth> __ln___: java vs python is about different application areas, imho 20:00:11 <Alberth> python is good at glueing, where you mostly wait for other code 20:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have the old code, and managed to load-ish the savegame yesterday (but it had some issues which might or might not be related) 20:00:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i have the essence of the data format now, to try and just read it 20:01:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:22 <andythenorth> drawing good winding wheels for a coal mine is bloody hard 20:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, this is too complicated, i'll try nulling the save function 20:13:25 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:14:48 <andythenorth> this is the best I've got https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4325/coal_mine.png 20:15:02 <andythenorth> RL, the wheel spokes are way too thin to show up in TTD 20:15:34 <andythenorth> also the cables are too thick, but it's TTD style :P 20:15:55 <andythenorth> I might trim them 20:16:07 <andythenorth> they look odd 20:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> could scrape off one or two pixels 20:18:40 <andythenorth> yup 20:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and then animate them ;) 20:19:32 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:50 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:50 <andythenorth> I will animate them 20:23:04 <planetmaker> even TTD ones are animated :D 20:24:04 <planetmaker> surprisingly simple, though 20:26:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it still doesn't load... 20:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i must have missed something 20:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the initial check now runs, but the loading stops at chunk VEHS 20:27:26 * Eddi|zuHause goes digging 20:27:35 * andythenorth wonders if the default coal mine tile has animation frame 20:27:57 <andythenorth> FIRS uses default tiles, changing that would break savegames a bit 20:28:16 <planetmaker> andythenorth, original coal mine has 3-stage animation 20:28:29 <andythenorth> I'll reuse that if I can 20:28:50 <planetmaker> it then means to replace the appropriate sprites in the base set simply. Easy... 20:29:23 <planetmaker> iirc... I hope I don't confuse mines :D 20:30:27 <planetmaker> my memory served me well :-) 20:31:09 <andythenorth> I can replace base set sprites? o_O 20:31:24 <planetmaker> if you don't change the industrie's graphics? Sure. 20:31:27 <andythenorth> I have been adding my own graphics in the nml block thus far 20:31:38 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/sprites/base/base-2011-industries.pnml 20:31:39 <andythenorth> maybe that's the same thing 20:31:42 <planetmaker> just copy it :-) 20:31:45 <planetmaker> nearly 20:31:57 <planetmaker> use a replace block 20:32:14 <planetmaker> not base_graphics as I linked 20:32:36 <planetmaker> replace coal_mine_anim1(2013, ...) 20:33:09 <andythenorth> neat 20:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the NFO equivalent would be action A (or action 5, i always mix those up) 20:33:56 <planetmaker> actionA 20:34:06 <planetmaker> action5 corresponds to replace_new 20:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe nml should abstract from that? 20:34:59 <planetmaker> difficult. But in general I agree 20:36:48 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/entry/src/tiles/gold_mine_tiles.pnml <-- similar to that, andythenorth 20:36:56 <planetmaker> you can use one block instead of the many I used there 20:37:28 <andythenorth> k 20:37:33 <andythenorth> something to figure out tomorrow :) 20:37:54 <planetmaker> it actually has also animation of the same kind... so it's an example :-) 20:49:19 <andythenorth> thanks 20:49:25 <andythenorth> bye for now 20:49:34 <planetmaker> g'night, andythenorth 20:49:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:12:43 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:35 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 21:31:52 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@irc.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 21:32:37 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #openttd 21:49:04 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:55 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Few women admit their age. 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