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There's requirements and nice-to-haves :-) 08:04:50 <SamanthaD> it has to electrocute spammers 08:05:07 <planetmaker> irc bridge yes. rcon for ops via irc bridge. command logging. 08:05:10 <dihedral> that's a pluggin you can write yourself :-P 08:05:30 <dihedral> i can even give you a separate channel that mirrors the console of openttd :-P 08:05:46 <V453000> that would be cute 08:05:46 <planetmaker> too many channels will make it go unnoticed 08:05:58 <dihedral> all messages are then rcon commands :-P 08:06:08 <V453000> oh D: 08:06:15 <dihedral> it's basically a remote console on irc :-D 08:06:39 <SamanthaD> sounds insecure... better wrap it in an SSH tunnel 08:07:24 <dihedral> blah 08:07:45 <planetmaker> can we have something like we have now, cycling of passwords for server? And a command to retrieve it? 08:08:26 <SamanthaD> why replace the system at all? it kinda sounds like people like it the way it is 08:08:46 <planetmaker> they don't 08:08:53 <SamanthaD> ah 08:08:56 <SamanthaD> then burn it :3 08:09:05 <planetmaker> we did 08:09:13 <SamanthaD> fwoosh 08:09:15 <dihedral> SamanthaD, to be very direct - i cannot remember asking you 08:09:25 <dihedral> and i will not engage in that discussion again 08:09:42 <dihedral> sorry 08:09:57 <SamanthaD> dihedral: sorry if I offended you. it wasn't intentional 08:10:43 <planetmaker> your comments simply showed you did not understand what the conversation's topic ;-) 08:11:56 <dihedral> SamanthaD, i was not offended, just felt like it was not helpful to answer my question ;-) 08:12:04 <planetmaker> dihedral, as I found in the weekend you know ap+'s capabilities quite well :-) 08:12:13 <dihedral> hehe 08:12:18 <dihedral> i know them off by heart :-D 08:12:42 <planetmaker> so basically what we need is a drop-in replacement, enhanced by command logging 08:13:36 <planetmaker> once that runs, it will need testing. And I'm sure *then* we'll come up with a zillion requests. But before... it's difficult 08:14:13 <planetmaker> sorry, biab. Meeting. 08:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> exporting stats (game year, company value, ...) to a website :) 08:22:57 <dihedral> do you want command logging to go to a file per user? :-P 08:23:45 <planetmaker> nah. too tedious 08:31:04 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:36:49 <LordAro> i want one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9774380.stm 08:38:36 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "8k pixels are enough for everybody"? 08:45:28 <NGC3982> Morning 08:45:32 <SamanthaD> morning 08:51:24 <wakou2> Hallo Otters! 08:51:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 08:52:09 <wakou2> Is there a way to find out who wrote a page on the wiki (gameplay manual) 08:52:34 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:47 <Alberth> look at the history of the page, but I'd be surprised if there is just one author 08:53:09 <wakou2> Alberth: TY.. 08:55:00 <wakou2> Alberth: You are right, many people! But Andythenorth the most recent, so I can talk to him here, if I need any collaboration.... 08:55:05 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-246-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:05 <Alberth> wakou2: it much better to just ask the question here in general, you'll get better answers faster 08:56:53 <dihedral> a collegue of mine is possibly interested in writing a webinterface for grapes :-) 08:57:09 <LordAro> compilation is always so fast when i remember -j5 :) 08:57:16 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:27 <dihedral> wakou2, you can look at the diff to find out who edited the area you are interested in ;-) 08:57:29 <Alberth> LordAro: export MAKEFLAGS=-j5 08:57:47 <LordAro> that might be worth remembering :) 08:58:08 <Alberth> better, add it to your shell init :) 08:58:53 <wakou2> Alberth: I was thinking of editing/rewriting a page and did not want to offend. If I sandbox my new version and then ask Andythenorth to review before publishing? 08:59:29 <LordAro> or anyone the page isn't andy's exclusively 08:59:41 <LordAro> s/anyone/anyone - / 08:59:48 <wakou2> LordAro: yes 08:59:58 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:14 <Alberth> wakou2: just improve the page, nobody is owner of the wiki 09:00:22 <Alberth> no need to ask permission 09:00:24 <LordAro> "/home/lordaro/coding/ottd/cleantrunk/src/rev.cpp:58:41: error: expected primary-expression before â;â token \n const byte _openttd_revision_modified = ;" <-- umm, help? 09:00:38 <LordAro> revision detection seems a bit borken 09:00:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:10 <Alberth> you forgot to run configure? 09:01:15 <LordAro> nope 09:01:26 <wakou2> I know, but I don't want to offend anyone by undoing their hard work.. 09:01:29 <LordAro> i've run make clean and make mrproper too 09:02:20 <Alberth> what happens if you run ./findversion.sh ? 09:03:05 <LordAro> "h3b2f9d04M 25633 2 h3b2f9d04M" 09:03:12 <LordAro> however, it's not modified :L 09:04:17 <Alberth> hg will probably think otherwise :) 09:04:27 <Alberth> but that output looks fine to me 09:06:19 <LordAro> i'll try redoing the checkout - it's the same from the old pc 09:10:13 <LordAro> that's better 09:10:18 <planetmaker> LordAro, make reconfigure && make -jX might have done the trick 09:10:52 <planetmaker> or maybe simply a hg up C 09:10:54 <planetmaker> hg up -C 09:11:29 <LordAro> eh, a re-clone seemed to work :) 09:11:58 <LordAro> oh, the bootstrap startup looks nice - i don't believe i've seen it before :L 09:12:20 <planetmaker> you won't, if you have like base sets present 09:12:30 <planetmaker> don't you have that stuff in ~/.openttd ?! 09:12:58 <LordAro> i haven't transferred it yet :L 09:13:42 <LordAro> there you go - all 1.5GB tranferred 09:13:58 <peter1139> GT610 installed 09:14:09 <peter1139> shitty cheap modern card 09:14:21 <peter1139> suppose it's better than dodgy pixels everywhere due to the memory being cooked 09:14:38 <dihedral> peter1139, how did you manage that?? 09:14:51 <dihedral> by the way - i did miss you during the weekend 09:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> my .openttd is 2.4GB 09:16:34 <peter1139> well it was 40 degrees in the office, so... 09:16:44 <peter1139> you didn't miss me, i just wasn't there :p 09:16:51 <LordAro> Eddi: show off :P 09:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, 100MB in bananas stuff, 250MB in non-bananas stuff, 200MB in screenshots, 750MB in development stuff and 1.1GB in savegames 09:21:48 <NGC3982> 1.1GB of savegames? 09:22:22 <NGC3982> Many of them, or huge maps? :) 09:22:29 <LordAro> you keep development stuff in .openttd? 09:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> grf development stuff, yes 09:22:55 <dihedral> Eddi never throws away savegames 09:23:07 <dihedral> but you should ask him how big his irc logs are :-P 09:23:19 <dihedral> oh - and peter1139 never throws away a patch :-D 09:23:28 <dihedral> but can never find them either 09:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not fair, they are compressed :) 09:23:38 <dihedral> :-) 09:23:43 <dihedral> the savegames are too 09:23:45 <peter1139> my patches are compressed too 09:25:13 * LordAro never throws away savegames either - still has some from TTD 09:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, over 1/3 of my savegame space accounts to one game 09:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i still have some TTO savegames, but not as many as i'd like 09:30:08 * peter1139 ponders finding his TTO media and dosbox 09:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd can load TTO savegames now :) 09:31:06 <peter1139> it's not TTO though 09:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause> make a setting!! 09:32:24 <peter1139> pretty sure that's not possible :( 09:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> on my last TTO game i created a system how to have one-way rails 09:35:04 <Eddi|zuHause> (without one-way signals) 09:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it was fairly unstable though, as trains tend to turn around when they are stuck, breaking the system 09:41:16 <SamanthaD> Eddi: how did it work? 09:52:16 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 09:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: basically by abusing the pathfinder so at the end station it would always go into the "right" track 09:55:23 <SamanthaD> aaaah, clever! 09:56:07 <SamanthaD> I'm trying to figure out how cargodist works... I'm dissatisfied that it doesn't understand unload orders 09:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it does, you should just combine "unload" with "no loading" 09:56:43 <SamanthaD> I want to be able to run local and express trains on the same line and not have passengers jump on the first local train that comes along 09:57:00 <SamanthaD> nono, I want to give the train orders to load but not unload 09:57:14 <SamanthaD> oh wait... I just figured out the flaw in my thingy 09:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that is "no unloading" then 09:57:18 <SamanthaD> *headdesks* 09:57:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:38 <SamanthaD> yeah, but won't packets of cargo going to that station still load on that train? 09:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no 09:57:50 <SamanthaD> oh, okay 09:57:52 <SamanthaD> thanks! 09:58:05 <SamanthaD> now I feel silly :p 09:58:06 <Alberth> if it does, it's a bug, imho 09:58:30 <dihedral> if there are passengers who are at the station they want to go to... that really would be odd 09:58:57 <wakou2> Is the game shown in the spalsh screen avaiable anywhere as a saved game? 09:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause> wakou2: yes, rename opntitle.dat to .sav 09:59:29 <wakou2> :) TY 09:59:32 <SamanthaD> point is, I want to run trains on parallel tracks that go through, say, stations A -> B -> C -> D but one of the trains goes directly from A -> D 09:59:43 <SamanthaD> I don't want passengers jumping on the "local" train to go from A -> D 09:59:50 <peter1139> hmm, gt610 runs minecraft well enough 09:59:56 <peter1139> despite being slow 'n stuff 10:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> wakou2: you can also put any of your savegames as the opening screen that way, but it can't have NewGRFs loaded 10:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: usually you drown in passengers anyway 10:01:41 <MNIM> sounds cruel 10:02:29 <SamanthaD> Eddi: Yeah, but I'd rather not have my local trains clogged up with express passengers and I'd rather not have my express trains starved from local trains 10:02:45 <SamanthaD> I'm playing Dutch Trainset 2 and metro trains can hold about 2x the people as normal trains 10:06:26 <wakou2> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks for that! I don't why I want to do it, but I am very pleased that I can! 10:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> wakou2: we occasionally run competitions on which savegame should be the next title game :) 10:14:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 10:18:50 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:21 *** krinn [~krinn@53.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:28 <krinn> hi 10:25:23 <krinn> do you know if someone has made wagons that are unusuable with a train engine when refit to this but usable refit as that? 10:25:58 <krinn> (assuming the train can pull this & that) 10:26:10 <SamanthaD> most engines can pull any wagon 10:26:21 <SamanthaD> with the exception of some EMU and DMUs in various NewGRFs 10:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the xUSSR set may have some crazy stuff like that :p 10:28:09 *** montalvo [~montalvo@macbook60.icrar.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:27 <V453000> hm I guess attach logic can be decided by cargo type? :D 10:30:06 <SamanthaD> krinn: were you planning on making a GRF that does that? 10:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or by moon phase :p 10:30:20 <krinn> SamanthaD, lol no 10:30:49 <SamanthaD> I'm going to have to check out this xUSSR set 10:31:02 <krinn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14582 10:31:23 <SamanthaD> yup, I have to wait for my OpenTTD to recompile though 10:31:51 <SamanthaD> it crashed but I think it might have been due to some crazy mods I made to it 10:32:04 <krinn> ok so it's safe to assume a wagon usable with train X will be ok even if refit 10:32:17 <SamanthaD> yup 10:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: it's probably ok, but you might want some fallback mechanism for when it really breaks 10:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: also, attaching and then refitting, or refitting and then attaching might yield different results 10:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> like, the DBSetXL has some refit options that are only avaiable when attached to a certain engine 10:36:01 <krinn> i have it, record any wagon as compatible, on failure clear it from the list... 10:37:19 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has joined #openttd 10:37:57 <krinn> it's amazing newGRF author never do any documentation ! 10:39:55 <Alberth> how much documentation do you do? 10:40:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the DBSetXL has a moderately comprehensive readme 10:40:26 <krinn> no much just the one that says : this is special 10:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it also has a bug when wagon speed limits are disabled, the cargo wagons disappear in the late game :p 10:41:46 <Alberth> krinn: just like newgrf authors thus :) 10:42:32 <krinn> look at 2CC trainset v2.0.0 beta 5 10:42:38 <krinn> no readme :) 10:43:28 <krinn> ah ok it says check readme for parameters, so he might have just forget to include it or openttd doesn't see it's readme as one 10:44:35 <LordAro> latter is quite likely - iirc that version is before ottd could view readmnes 10:47:21 <Aristide> Hi everybody ) 10:47:25 <planetmaker> <krinn> no much just the one that says : this is special <-- it's generally assumed by "realistic" sets that you know the entire history ;-) 10:47:25 <Aristide> :) 10:48:37 <SamanthaD> glee!! I didn't need to patch the game! 10:48:41 <krinn> planetmaker, at least i understand that point 10:49:18 <SamanthaD> cargo avoids trains that have more stops between the beginning and end of their paths 10:50:06 <krinn> planetmaker, lol but how player knows it's a realistic set if not wrote anywhere ? 10:50:31 <planetmaker> krinn, generally every set which bears a country or company name, is realistic :-) 10:50:39 <planetmaker> to one degree or another 10:50:52 <planetmaker> which boils down to "all but very few" ;-) 10:51:52 <planetmaker> the question is whether they enforce exact consist management (and deny any consist which was not seen) or allow you to combine the single vehicles to trains like you desire 10:52:24 <SamanthaD> I prefer the latter, honestly 10:52:45 <planetmaker> Personally I find the first type rather annoying while I like the latter as it suits the game better - and still allows to limit oneself to anything which one thinks is comensumerable with history 10:52:54 <SamanthaD> though, I do like to roleplay :3 10:53:34 <krinn> i just prefer if the rule is write somewhere : i'm not against special rules : train Z work only when moon is high with wagon Y, while Y can only work if there no rain 10:54:09 <krinn> but if none tell there own rules for a set, it would imply i known all set special features to handle them 10:54:31 <krinn> and you end up here with : "anyone know if a special rule exists that does this or that" 10:56:16 <krinn> it's (for me) as dumb as making a GS (let's say nocargoal) that claim general rules (handling of cargo like it does) but nowhere in readme you see the special rule hide in it : if any player use train Z i raise cargo wish * 100 10:56:57 <krinn> that's what newGRF keep doing and why i say "no doc!" 11:01:59 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:14 <SamanthaD> wow... this xUSSR trainset is really nice <3 11:03:11 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has joined #openttd 11:05:40 <Alberth> krinn: imho, it's a good sign how much the author is thinking about his users while making the set 11:07:19 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:14 <SamanthaD> what really turns me on to a trainset is when the author includes locomotives they *KNOW* no player would ever use in a "serious" game 11:09:19 <SamanthaD> like shunting locomotives 11:10:21 <krinn> well, i've seen plenty already SamanthaD :) 11:10:55 <SamanthaD> me too 11:11:37 <krinn> look at DB310 kof II not sure if anyone will use it :P 11:12:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:44 <SamanthaD> krinn: from what set? 11:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: i frequently miss "shunting" type engines for small feeder systems 11:13:00 <krinn> SamanthaD, must be 2cc 11:13:16 <SamanthaD> ah yes... 11:13:45 <SamanthaD> I use shunting engines for little "branch" lines just for the roleplay factor 11:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think there actually existed a Köf II. only a Kö II 11:15:23 <krinn> http://wiki.openttd.org/2cc_TrainSet#Table_of_included_vehicles (1st one at diesel+gas) 11:16:17 <SamanthaD> by the way, am I the only person having trouble with blinking flags in 2cc? 11:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there do seem to exist a few Köf II 11:19:16 <krinn> i think many engines are too dumb to be usable, if you look from a country base point of view, it's ok, the country built is own engine for tech or money even poorer than what exists already. But in openttd that rule is bias, because player have access to any engine and not limited to his own country engine 11:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> (K stands for "small engine", ö stands for "diesel powered" (opposing to b for "gasoline powered") and f stands for "hydraulic gearing" (no letter for mechanical gearing)) 11:21:54 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Kleinlokomotive_Class_II 11:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, those 11:22:17 <krinn> foot brake, rebuilt into 322-324 stopped in February 1974 (love that one!) 11:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there's power classes I, II and III 11:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a mistranslation, it should be "finished" instad of "stopped" 11:25:28 <krinn> as i said, if not country base, that choice to build that 1974 version is dumb, by that time sure plenty better loco exist (and as openttd offer them, no play will ever use that 1974 version) 11:25:51 <krinn> grrrr s/play/player 11:29:23 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:38 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has joined #openttd 11:30:08 <V453000> anybody knows some maps which have height values? I need to get info on how high/low some points on the map are, with precision of idk, +-0,5m 11:32:10 <SamanthaD> of what region, V453000? 11:32:32 <V453000> czech republic - central europe 11:35:57 <SamanthaD> hmm...https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Topographic_maps_of_the_Czech_Republic 11:36:00 <SamanthaD> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Topographic_maps_of_the_Czech_Republic 11:36:02 <SamanthaD> will that do ya? 11:37:36 <TrueBrain> VMAP0 ;) 11:37:56 <SamanthaD> what does VMAPO meon? 11:38:08 <peter1139> VMAP0! 11:38:30 <SamanthaD> OH! 11:38:43 <TrueBrain> vmap0 is a 90m resolution height map of the whole world 11:38:48 <SamanthaD> oh wow... this is nifty! 11:39:06 <TrueBrain> not sure if height is within 0.5m accuarcy 11:39:20 <TrueBrain> I am not sure that is even possible with modern technology 11:39:21 <TrueBrain> but okay ;) 11:40:11 <V453000> hm :) 11:40:28 <V453000> thanks anyway :P lets see what I get 11:40:38 <V453000> http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm looks interesting to me so far 11:41:00 <SamanthaD> TrueBrain: it most certainly is possible 11:41:14 <SamanthaD> TrueBrain: and VMAP1 apparently is accurate to 0.5-2m 11:41:29 <SamanthaD> but I dunno if you can get a VMAP1 of Czech Republic 11:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> should just put a GPS on a known triangulation point, go around with a second GPS, and compare the difference 11:41:38 * peter1139 ponders ditching his windows vista install 11:41:40 <TrueBrain> it is not possible, in fact, VMAP0 (and 1) state that they cannot do that 11:41:45 <peter1139> not sure when it lasted booted... 11:41:47 <TrueBrain> and VMAP1 is _very_ expensive 11:42:17 <krinn> peter1139, at install 11:42:17 <TrueBrain> but it is funny how you managed to contradict yourself in 2 sentences 11:42:27 <peter1139> krinn? 11:42:39 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:46 <krinn> <peter1139> not sure when it lasted booted... <krinn> peter1139, at install 11:43:04 <peter1139> oh 11:43:05 <peter1139> no 11:43:43 <krinn> yeah i know it makes no sense :) 11:43:44 <peter1139> hmm, last updated 3 years ago 11:43:51 * krinn is getting a coffee 11:44:05 <Alberth> krinn: technically, at install, vista was not booting, since it was not installed at that time :p 11:44:08 <TrueBrain> I thought it was funny krinn :D 11:44:20 <SamanthaD> oh good god... earth-info.nga.mil has a postal address to write to if you want the maps 11:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://img.pr0gramm.com/2013/07/lohkn7i.gif 11:45:28 <Alberth> SamanthaD: you may receive a dead-wood copy map as well :) 11:45:57 <SamanthaD> that cat is not very smart, Eddi... 11:47:12 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:27 <SamanthaD> speaking of animals... I'm not sleeping tonight. For the last month or so I've been hearing a lot of commotion outside my room. I investigated tonight to find three opossums, each as big as my thigh 11:47:33 <SamanthaD> they were not thrilled to have my company 11:48:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there are no oppossums in this part of the world 11:48:33 <krinn> :) got my coffee and my carambar jokes ready 11:50:30 <SamanthaD> Eddi: lucky bastard... 11:50:44 <krinn> where do you live to get opossums next to you ? 11:50:51 <SamanthaD> California 11:51:22 <SamanthaD> and we have the Virginia Opossum here, which are the biggest species 11:51:40 <krinn> i heard german got rancoun as invasive species 11:51:54 *** fjb is now known as Guest1696 11:51:55 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:52:25 <krinn> well, rancoon :) 11:52:33 <SamanthaD> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F7Ue_aRjqFs/TzvsNyBe4LI/AAAAAAAAEuk/n6QOdwDGm3I/s1600/Louise-opossum.jpg 11:52:39 <krinn> or raccoon 11:52:39 <SamanthaD> give you an idea of their size 11:52:57 <SamanthaD> we got raccoon, too 11:53:08 <krinn> holly sh*t ! that's a baby bear size 11:53:14 <SamanthaD> I *KNOW*! 11:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause> never seen those either 11:53:32 <krinn> i was thinking it was like a big rats 11:53:47 <SamanthaD> yes, but a *REALLY* big rat 11:54:26 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon#Distribution_outside_North_America 11:54:27 <SamanthaD> ... with really, really sharp teeth 11:54:37 <SamanthaD> and an eagerness to use them 11:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: these red spots are not anywhere close 11:56:01 <SamanthaD> how did the Raccoon get introduced?! 11:56:11 <SamanthaD> it's not like it's a little animal that can stow away on a ship 11:56:22 <krinn> no idea, wiki says two pairs introduce in 1934 11:56:30 * SamanthaD thinks exotic pets 11:56:51 <SamanthaD> I don't know why so many people think that Raccoons are small 11:56:58 <SamanthaD> they're something like the size of a medium sized dog 11:57:08 <krinn> SamanthaD, i think it was for the plet more than exotism 11:57:11 *** Guest1696 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:19 <SamanthaD> ah! farming 11:57:19 <krinn> pelt 11:57:25 <SamanthaD> though, I have read of people keeping those things as pets 11:57:30 <SamanthaD> why is beyond me 11:57:34 <SamanthaD> they're destructive little buggers 11:57:41 <krinn> 1945 when 25 raccoons escaped from a fur farm 11:58:28 <SamanthaD> hmm... let's hope they don't adapt well to the wilderness 11:58:34 <SamanthaD> they're experts at living in cities though 11:58:42 <krinn> saw a doc about invasive species, amazing how stupid the human is, as most of them is directly done by us 11:59:06 <SamanthaD> yeah, and sometimes on purpose 11:59:27 <SamanthaD> my understanding is the mocking bird was introduced deliberately to north america 12:00:20 <planetmaker> if there was no mocking bird it would need inventing ;-) 12:00:21 <krinn> they spoke about bull toad 12:01:43 <krinn> making 25000 eggs, while common frog do 15000, and of course birds here are adapt to eat frog sized animal, not that bulltoad size : so more eggs and less chance to get eat when reaching a certain size : bulltoad is kicking out common frog from lake 12:02:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CED7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:02:30 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has joined #openttd 12:02:46 <SamanthaD> doesn't surprise me 12:02:58 <dihedral> is there bullfrog fighting in the bullfrog arena? 12:03:21 <SamanthaD> what would that even LOOK like?! 12:03:45 <dihedral> green and red 12:03:45 <krinn> and they spoke too about a squirrel from ussr that have 70% chance of carrying a disease for human, and it is allowed to import them as pet 12:03:49 <dihedral> more red than green 12:04:09 <dihedral> krinn, move to england :-P 12:04:13 <SamanthaD> are you bloody serious?! 12:04:55 <SamanthaD> "Meet Mr. Fluffybutt! He brings cuteness and death!" 12:05:10 <krinn> SamanthaD, oh yes, the parasite get contamined by the squirrel (that is safe carrier of the disease) and then can contamine human 12:05:38 <SamanthaD> out of curiosity, do you remember what the parasite was? 12:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> all hail hypnotoad 12:06:20 <krinn> let me get the name in english, but a tick, it's common parasite for animals here 12:06:33 <SamanthaD> krinn: latin would work just fine 12:06:44 <krinn> then a tick :) 12:06:54 <krinn> acarian familly 12:07:10 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:28 <krinn> http://www.dinosoria.com/sciences/tique.jpg 12:08:36 <krinn> so squirrel have 70% to be carrier, and any "tique" will carry it to human if bite, and they allow import it because it's a cute squirrel 12:08:54 <krinn> we're so dumb :) 12:09:09 <SamanthaD> ah 12:09:48 <SamanthaD> a tick isn't a serious threat to humans though unless they're also carrying lyme disease 12:09:52 <SamanthaD> or plague 12:12:48 <SamanthaD> I was reading in the latest Science News about the introduction of a new species of mosquito into the United States that is causing an outbreak of certain tropical diseases all over the seutheast US 12:13:01 <SamanthaD> they think it came in on used tires 12:13:10 <SamanthaD> why would ANYONE ship used tires overseas?! 12:13:40 <planetmaker> because they can 12:13:58 <SamanthaD> do we REALLY have a shortage though?! 12:16:09 <krinn> well, if they just stop doing stupid introduction, maybe unwanted ones could be tolerate as mistakes :) 12:18:23 <SamanthaD> the most destructive species, though, are hard to avoid introduction 12:18:27 <Alberth> more likely, the labour costs overseas are sufficiently lower that it is viable to ship them 12:18:28 <SamanthaD> rats, insects 12:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: garbage is generally shipped around the whole world 12:18:53 <Alberth> we ship everything around the world :) 12:18:55 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: american garbage often to southeast asia, european garbage often to africa 12:19:25 <SamanthaD> good to know we have high esteem for the third world, eh? 12:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> some of the transports are even illegal, but they're still doing them 12:20:05 <planetmaker> it's not called garbage but recyclables 12:20:28 <planetmaker> makes all the difference in the forms ;-) 12:20:32 <SamanthaD> heh 12:20:34 <krinn> and technology does profits: if you have used tired in your country that you just cannot re-use or re-use at 20% but american have techno to re-use them at 90% ratio, here comes the used tired 12:21:11 <SamanthaD> Most "recycling" goes to the landfill... 12:21:51 <SamanthaD> I knew a deputy mayor who told me that while she was serving they had to divert almost all their recycling to the dump 12:22:01 <krinn> lol, if you don't care about ecology, you're a top country for other countries where ecology lobbyist bug them 12:22:28 <SamanthaD> ah yeah... 12:22:48 <SamanthaD> tires are one of the few things that are very recyceable though 12:22:58 <SamanthaD> retreds for the win 12:23:19 <krinn> hmmm, like france and his old vessels that we could sent to india so child can do the work for cheap 12:23:46 <NeuhNeuh> Hi ! 12:23:51 <SamanthaD> hi NeuhNeuh! 12:23:57 <NeuhNeuh> SamanthaD: o/ 12:24:01 <krinn> hi 12:24:06 <NeuhNeuh> Hi krinn :) 12:24:49 <NeuhNeuh> I must go to town hall 12:24:56 <SamanthaD> oh, why? 12:24:57 <NeuhNeuh> I go take the bus \o/ 12:25:18 <SamanthaD> the only hotel on wheels! 12:25:22 <NeuhNeuh> For make a new ID card 12:26:12 <NeuhNeuh> Go gogo ! 12:26:19 * NeuhNeuh is now OUT (yes its possible) 12:26:28 <SamanthaD> bye NeuNeu 12:27:52 * krinn think NeuhNeuh will never get it : french townhall : 9h-12h and 14h-16h opening hours : so 14h30 + bus trip, if he get past 15h : door closed 12:28:44 <SamanthaD> oh noes! 12:29:06 <krinn> lol yes, it's like 1 hour of work = 10 mins for them 12:30:29 <krinn> but i'm in south, with strong reputation of lazyness :) 12:31:07 <SamanthaD> here we make jokes about the Department of Motor Vehicles 12:31:49 <krinn> it's one that deliver license? 12:31:53 <SamanthaD> god... I'm still watching that cat try to get through the hole... 12:32:00 <SamanthaD> krinn: yeah, that's the one 12:32:32 <krinn> saw many movie that jokes about them 12:34:31 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.209.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:11 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: that's just because you have no office for ID cards :p 12:41:18 <SamanthaD> Ha! That *IS* the office for ID cards! 12:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, effectively :) 12:42:50 <krinn> well, it's easy here : 14h-16 mean better be there at 14h and it may open ~14h30 and don't try going at 15h30 they are already closed anyway 12:43:35 <SamanthaD> I don't get how our local DMV can have something like ten clerks and it STILL takes five hours to process you 12:43:39 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 12:43:53 <krinn> they have stats that defy logic : if you think 10 workers can handle 10 customers, you're just wrong :) 12:44:01 <SamanthaD> heh 12:44:06 <SamanthaD> I think it's more like 15-20 12:44:09 <SamanthaD> they have a bunch in the back 12:44:42 <krinn> yeah, who do you think is making the coffee ? 12:45:33 <SamanthaD> heh, indeed 12:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in german we have the joke about "Beamtenmikado" (office-clerk mikado): whoever moves first, loses 12:45:43 <krinn> one day i saw guys at arsenal (a tiny city inside our city, yeah, where they build/repair warships) : 5 guys working 12:46:05 <SamanthaD> only five guys working on an entire ship?! 12:46:28 <krinn> 1 was on the ladder to change the lamp, 2 were making sure the ladder don't fall, and 1 was speaking with them or managing them i don't know 12:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that 12:46:49 <SamanthaD> oy... 12:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause> 's 4 12:47:00 <krinn> lol yes Eddi|zuHause is following 12:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "one carries the responsibility" 12:47:27 <SamanthaD> I figure he's inside doing the requisition paperwork 12:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (might be a difficult to translate pun) 12:48:17 <SamanthaD> why? it makes sense to me 12:48:32 <SamanthaD> does "responsibility" mean more than one thing in German? 12:48:33 <krinn> i had work in it when i was young, to remove paint inside a sub, guys were speaking upper while there controlling device (for radiation) was down with us, attach to a rope :) 12:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "carry" as in usually meaning some heavy working going on 12:49:09 <SamanthaD> Eddi: oh yeah, here too 12:49:26 <SamanthaD> Krinn: good to know you were well cared for! 12:49:30 <SamanthaD> all that radiation 12:49:39 <SamanthaD> now look at you! 12:49:47 <SamanthaD> playing with trains on a computer 12:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so if 9 out of 10 guys carry something heavy, and the 10th nothing at all, the joke is he "carries the responsibility" 12:50:03 <krinn> it's because when the device tell you, you have reach a certain amount, your work day is over 12:50:37 <krinn> and so, they were speaking upper with few radiation, and the device was taking his hour of exposure for them (~ an hour to reach the level) 12:51:02 <SamanthaD> ooooh! I get it now! 12:51:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:57 <krinn> the entry was easy, the exit was fucking scary 12:52:07 <SamanthaD> why? 12:53:26 <krinn> you drop clothes and enter, but to exit you must enter a device, put hands, device close the door, if ok device open the other door, if not, door stays closed and alarm ring 12:53:42 <krinn> so you endup contaminated and nude waiting in the device :) 12:54:36 <SamanthaD> eek! how do they decontaminate you? 12:54:49 <krinn> no idea, mostly bathing i think 12:54:57 <SamanthaD> ah, lucky! 12:55:20 <SamanthaD> anyone ever set off alarm while you were there? 12:55:35 <krinn> hell no! 12:55:44 <krinn> we were controlling our portable device like mad 12:56:31 <SamanthaD> my grandfather was a nuclear engineer 12:56:39 <SamanthaD> but back then they didn't really understand nuclear safety 12:56:43 <krinn> and it was hard, the guys that work in there were having digital controlling device, while we have ones that must be check with eyes and light 12:56:45 <SamanthaD> probably why our family is so screwed up 12:57:05 <krinn> ^^ 12:57:23 <SamanthaD> people working in the reactor? 12:57:58 <krinn> the good part is that we were working mostly by night (because working with light increase radiation level faster), and only an hour, but get paid for 8 hours, at night price with a danger extra : huge money 12:58:16 <SamanthaD> wow... 12:58:23 <krinn> it was an attack sub (nuclear propulsion, the ruby was its name) 12:58:26 <SamanthaD> I suddenly went from "wow, shit job" to "where do I sign up?!" 12:59:05 * SamanthaD ponders 12:59:18 <SamanthaD> if you had to go through all that just to be in the sub, how the heck do they crew it?! 12:59:31 <krinn> lol and i get a month of vacancy for 20 days of work 12:59:56 <SamanthaD> you quit this job, why? 13:00:03 <krinn> it's because it was the paint that cover the walls of the reactor in the sub 13:00:11 <krinn> the part where the water is 13:00:12 <SamanthaD> ah, I see, that makes sense 13:00:46 <krinn> because it was a temp job, they need extra guys to finish it within delays (and seeing them upper waiting, i know why they need extra guys) 13:01:13 <dihedral> SamanthaD and krinn seem to really be hitting it of :-P 13:01:41 <SamanthaD> ah, too bad 13:01:42 * Sacro is confused by the scrollback 13:02:14 <SamanthaD> dihedral: I like this channel! 13:02:15 <Alberth> just scroll back to where the scrollback srtarted? 13:05:03 <Sacro> I don't know who's who these days 13:05:06 <SamanthaD> I've never done any particularly dangerous jobs 13:05:21 <SamanthaD> the most dangerous thing I've done for money is basically wade through antifreeze 13:05:39 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 13:05:39 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 42 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 46 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 13:05:45 <Sacro> pssh 13:05:56 <krinn> that was the only dangerous one i've made (except maybe keeping my nieve) 13:06:17 <SamanthaD> The antifreeze was for use in fire sprinklers 13:06:44 <SamanthaD> I hate to think the mess those things would make spraying that gooey sludge all over the place 13:07:35 <peter1139> this spongekeyboard is horrible after using my clicky keyboard for a while 13:08:54 <krinn> SamanthaD, it looks funny when you don't own responsability for it 13:08:56 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:37 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 <SamanthaD> They put antifreeze in the sprinklers over entryways. They told us it's so they don't freeze if the door is left open. I suspect they did it because making the floor slippery by the exit in an emergency is funny. 13:12:19 <SamanthaD> When I was in school our building's fire alarm would go off every time it rained. Once we had a fire and it didn't go off. 13:12:46 <krinn> nice techno there :D 13:13:02 <SamanthaD> I know! A light fixture shorted out 13:13:04 <SamanthaD> but we were okay 13:13:25 <SamanthaD> it just happens that my city college was also the county's firefighter training camp ;) 13:13:59 <krinn> that's school, one day they were making a fire simulation, just to see all exits were closed (because closing them prevent anyone from entering, but lol prevent anyone from getting out too) 13:14:17 <SamanthaD> are you serious?! 13:14:22 <krinn> lol yes 13:14:23 <SamanthaD> OH! 13:14:32 <SamanthaD> you mean fire doors with automatic closures! 13:14:54 <krinn> it wasn't firedoor specially 13:15:08 <krinn> they changed them so inside you have a way to open it while outside no way 13:15:19 <SamanthaD> ah 13:15:38 <SamanthaD> I guess that makes sense until you realize that firefighters are people, too 13:15:52 <krinn> previous doors were locked by keys, so if no teacher was there to open them : everyone burn :) 13:16:04 <SamanthaD> that's scary 13:16:35 <SamanthaD> even if there was a teacher, people would pile against the door and the teacher wouldn't be able to get to it 13:17:41 <krinn> hopefuly we never had to test for real 13:18:34 <peter1139> well no, that's a not a test ;p 13:18:36 <peter1139> -a 13:19:43 <SamanthaD> my teachers got so used to the false alarms they would actually continue to lecture until they got to a good break point 13:20:43 <krinn> it's like the maps that should be there to help finding exit. They are generally made of plastic : so when fire is there, look at the platic map to find the exit :P 13:21:11 <SamanthaD> follow the exit signs! 13:21:25 <SamanthaD> I really want a tritium exit sign to hang in my room 13:21:30 <krinn> we don't have that exit sign rule in france 13:21:57 <SamanthaD> you should make it then! 13:22:05 <SamanthaD> though... sometimes our exit signs lead toward dead-ends >.> 13:22:30 <krinn> we should have a map showing the complex, exits and stuff to fight fire 13:22:40 <Alberth> a big heavy brick to smash your window works too :p 13:22:51 <krinn> but the map is always in plastic, so better read the map while no fire is there 13:22:59 <SamanthaD> yup 13:23:11 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has joined #openttd 13:23:17 <krinn> Alberth, to introduce a good amount of fresh air for your fire ? 13:23:29 <SamanthaD> in school we were taught to punch out the window through our jackets 13:23:46 <SamanthaD> but they also told us to drink from toilet tanks in case of earthquake 13:23:54 <SamanthaD> so... I'm not entirely sure that advice was sound 13:24:03 <krinn> lol drink toilet tanks! 13:24:06 <SamanthaD> yup! 13:24:16 <SamanthaD> apparently the water there is "clean" 13:24:27 <SamanthaD> but last time I looked in my toilet tank it certainly wasn't clean <.< 13:24:32 <Alberth> if you get in that situation, you'll be happy with any water, I guess 13:24:34 <krinn> do they suggest eating your neighbor too ? 13:24:57 <SamanthaD> best be prepared 13:25:12 <SamanthaD> every Californian should own a decent size bottle of iodine 13:25:24 <SamanthaD> with enough iodine you could drink from a sewer 13:26:20 <krinn> well, i prefer having a fish tank next to me 13:26:40 <SamanthaD> earthquake is likely to destroy the tank, though 13:26:58 <krinn> ah yes 13:27:26 <krinn> but i don't think the earthquake will be so long that you must drink or die 13:27:58 <SamanthaD> it's not so much that the earthquake is long it's that the earthquake destroys the city's water supply and roads and such 13:28:00 <planetmaker> if the earthquake destroys sufficiently much of the infrastructure, drinking water can become a very scarce comodity 13:28:16 <planetmaker> comodity? resource 13:28:17 <SamanthaD> yup 13:28:48 <SamanthaD> and if you live in the wrong part of the city you could be isolated and without a water supply for as long as a month 13:29:05 <planetmaker> well. you got legs to walk on ;-) 13:29:08 <planetmaker> hopefully 13:29:20 <SamanthaD> I have a friend who lives in the hills 13:29:34 <krinn> planetmaker, i would say, better count on them, seeing how they do with catrina 13:29:35 <Twofish> Everyone in #openttd is gonna freak out now, and fill up their home, car and an emergency backup location with plastic bottles of water, and iodine in case of nuclear polution... 13:29:36 <SamanthaD> there are TWO roads connecting her little town to anyone else 13:30:02 <SamanthaD> Twofish: nono, the iodine is for making water with 13:31:12 <krinn> SamanthaD, sun can also do that too, i've seen that with the guys that keep going in weird place with a rope and a knife 13:31:30 <SamanthaD> the sun can't disinfect water... 13:31:48 <krinn> that's what he said, got hot water, but good to drink 13:32:06 <SamanthaD> hmm... I don't trust it 13:32:21 <SamanthaD> I trust my iodinated water 13:32:23 <krinn> i'll google that 13:32:30 <SamanthaD> it's NOT very nice to drink though 13:32:35 <Twofish> SamanthaD: http://users.wfu.edu/matthews/misc/nuclear/ki/ki.html 13:32:51 <krinn> http://modernsurvivalblog.com/health/how-to-purify-water-with-sunlight/ 13:33:49 <Twofish> SamanthaD: me not knowing the difference between ionide and iodide 13:33:55 <Twofish> Norwegian... :/ 13:34:46 <krinn> nor me Twofish but as a french i avoid saying it to let people thinks all french are smart 13:34:56 <Twofish> iodine / iodide ... hard this :p 13:35:03 <SamanthaD> I think ionide is a typo? 13:35:17 <SamanthaD> OH! 13:35:18 <SamanthaD> I get the question 13:35:30 <SamanthaD> iodine is the element, iodide is the ion 13:35:32 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has joined #openttd 13:36:31 <krinn> 15h35 got your ID or it was closed ? 13:36:55 <SamanthaD> he's back too soon to have waded though a government office 13:37:09 <krinn> lmao SamanthaD 13:37:12 <Twofish> Still, iodide can help you protect yourself against radiation. In Norway we don't have any large nuclear plants, but with short way to Russia ... 13:37:45 <SamanthaD> yeah, because your thalamus sucks up iodine like nobody's business 13:37:56 <SamanthaD> problem is, a lot of isotopes of iodine are radioactive 13:38:10 <SamanthaD> so, you want to saturate your thalamus with safe iodine before you absorb the contaminated stuff 13:38:30 <Twofish> :) 13:38:46 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:53 <krinn> don't worry tchernobyl never reach us Twofish and why our women here have all those thyroid problem cannot be because of it 13:39:03 <Twofish> My mother ate those when she were pregnant, due to the Tsjernobyl accident. 13:39:38 <SamanthaD> speaking of eating and radiation 13:39:45 <SamanthaD> you gotta love uranium pottery glaze 13:39:48 <Twofish> We still can messure the effects in natures radioation levels 13:41:03 <SamanthaD> http://carlwillis.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/orange_stuff.jpg 13:41:05 <Twofish> Norways problem is that we didn't do regular radiation messurements before Tsjernobyl 13:41:09 <SamanthaD> don't eat off of plates that color 13:41:14 <SamanthaD> but keep the plate 13:41:20 <SamanthaD> it's a valuable collectible 13:41:44 <Twofish> Se the tables. Tsjernobyl were in 86. http://www.miljostatus.no/Tema/Straling/Radioaktiv-forurensning/Land-og-ferskvann/radioaktivitet-villrein/ 13:42:11 <Twofish> Meassured in wild reindeer 13:42:30 <krinn> upto +12500 ? 13:42:54 <SamanthaD> I wonder how they settle on reindeer as a metric... 13:43:22 <Twofish> lol... Probably just because that meat get in - so it is easy to do mass meassurement. 13:43:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87-194-85-121.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:43:33 <andythenorth> o/ 13:43:47 <SamanthaD> hey andythenorth! 13:43:56 <krinn> hi andythenorth 13:44:05 <NeuhNeuh> :) 13:44:08 <NeuhNeuh> Hi andythenorth :) 13:44:16 <Twofish> Out Sivil Defence do meassurements in the nature "all the time", so now we have regular data. 13:44:48 <Alberth> o/ andy 13:46:51 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:20 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:20 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:45 <LordAro> http://i.stack.imgur.com/PJw3h.png 14:06:54 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:35 <SamanthaD> haha 14:07:46 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has joined #openttd 14:08:16 * SamanthaD jumps up and down proclaiming the virtues of functional programming style 14:17:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@87-194-85-121.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:24:47 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:32:47 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.100.47.216] has joined #openttd 14:52:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.100.47.216] has quit [] 15:02:18 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 15:08:46 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:00 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:32:46 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:53 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.99.172] has joined #openttd 15:32:58 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has joined #openttd 15:36:15 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:53 *** Extrems1 [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 15:51:37 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:34 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.133.76] has joined #openttd 16:04:19 *** amiller [~amiller@pool-96-255-47-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:31 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 16:12:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.115.191.171] has joined #openttd 16:16:11 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:35 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:40 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:51 *** amiller [~amiller@pool-96-255-47-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18697.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:48 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 16:58:31 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:05 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:12 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 17:02:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:28 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:40 * Xaroth|Work pokes TWerkhoven 17:07:51 <__ln__> zomg, i paid 5 euros with a credit card in germany 17:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare you! 17:11:58 <Belugas> lucky you, you cold use your credit card ;) 17:12:01 <Belugas> could 17:12:04 <dihedral> __ln__, hehe what did you buy for 5 eur? 17:12:10 <dihedral> BELUGAS :-) 17:12:16 <dihedral> how are you? how was you trip? 17:12:24 <Belugas> hello dihedral :) 17:12:33 <dihedral> and how was your significant other's reaction? :-D 17:12:43 <Belugas> way better then the first one 17:13:01 <Belugas> she was really pleased seeing me coming IN TIME! 17:13:19 <Belugas> and my son was sooo trilled! 17:13:21 <dihedral> well - at least that is good :-) 17:13:22 <__ln__> dihedral: "flughafen feuerwehr-simulator", mac version :) 17:13:32 <Belugas> i arrvied soone enough nopt to catch him in bed 17:13:32 <dihedral> lol 17:13:55 <dihedral> Belugas, glad to hear :-) 17:14:08 <dihedral> so your trip back home went as planned i take it 17:14:19 * TWerkhoven pokes Xaroth|Work 17:14:28 <Belugas> quite indeed :) 17:14:54 <Belugas> i had a very good time visiting Amsterdam with Rubidium, then not to wait too long at the gates 17:15:01 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: happen to have the code that triggers it (without the .configure() call ofc) 17:15:08 <Xaroth|Work> I'll poke around on my server to reproduce 17:15:15 <Xaroth|Work> Belugas: you were in amsterdam 17:15:20 <Belugas> all was fine. slept a long time in plane too 17:15:20 <Xaroth|Work> and you didn't come have a beer? 17:15:22 <Xaroth|Work> pffffff 17:15:23 <Belugas> yup 17:15:32 <TWerkhoven> :) 17:15:38 <dihedral> he did have a beer 17:15:38 <Belugas> well... i was not in a state of mind to have a beer... 17:15:42 <Rubidium> Xaroth|Work: but you were at work ;) 17:15:43 <dihedral> just with the right people :-P 17:15:44 <Belugas> had enough in germany ;) 17:15:56 <TWerkhoven> self.connection.send_packet(AdminPoll, pollType = 0x01, extra = 0xFFFFFFFF) 17:15:59 <Belugas> yeah dihedral :D 17:16:10 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: I can just inform the boss I have to go to the DC 17:16:17 <Xaroth|Work> which is awkwardly close to amsterdam 17:16:52 <TWerkhoven> first packet after sending that always comes back with that error, clients connected or not 17:16:57 <dihedral> or you could have visited germany too 17:17:01 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: rgr 17:17:15 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: too far drive for me 17:17:44 <Rubidium> Xaroth|Work: really bull... even Belugas could make it 17:17:49 <TWerkhoven> and that packet is for requesting clientinfo on all clients, which i need to find out which client id belongs to which ingame-nick 17:17:50 <dihedral> ... drive to the dc and have Rubidium and TrueBrain and Belugas take you with them 17:18:12 <dihedral> TWerkhoven, i read you are having issues with the admin network 17:18:16 <dihedral> how can i help 17:18:41 <TrueBrain> is Xaroth now really complaining Belguas didnt have a beer with him, while Xaroth was too lazy of a bumb to join the meet? Pfffttt 17:18:49 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: reproduced, fixing now 17:19:29 <dihedral> TrueBrain, in essence, yeah 17:19:48 <Belugas> hehehe 17:19:49 <dihedral> actually, though, he is saying that he wanted to only meet Belugas and not the rest of us 17:20:04 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: work <=> amsterdam: 20 minutes , work <=> planetmaker: 4+ hours 17:20:06 <TWerkhoven> not really issues with the admin network (yet), just some corner case that libottdadmin didnt account for yet 17:20:19 <Belugas> loving whale freak... 17:20:28 <dihedral> Xaroth|Work, and how long do you think i was driving to get to planetmaker's? 17:20:32 <Belugas> Well... when you have such a nice personality as mine... cough cough 17:21:06 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: and how many days off from work do you have? ;) 17:21:15 <Xaroth|Work> I'm at -2 17:21:26 <dihedral> Xaroth|Work, i did not need a single 17:21:38 <Xaroth|Work> I would have 17:21:45 <Rubidium> apparantly Xaroth|Work works saturdays and sundays 17:21:54 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: saturdays occasionally, yes 17:22:03 <dihedral> occasionally - there you have it :-P 17:22:04 <Xaroth|Work> and every weekend stand-by service. 17:22:16 <dihedral> Xaroth|Work, get a better job :-D 17:22:21 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: pay me. 17:22:44 <dihedral> how much 17:23:10 <Belugas> 2 beer / hour 17:23:24 <dihedral> hehe - that's cheaper than the indians :-D 17:23:27 <Xaroth|Work> I'm not going to work for minimum wage :P 17:23:40 <dihedral> Xaroth|Work, we have a branch office in NL 17:23:40 <Belugas> hugh! 17:23:46 <dihedral> and i can do with a second admin 17:24:17 <dihedral> or move to germany - we have enough english speakers in the team 17:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <__ln__> dihedral: "flughafen feuerwehr-simulator", mac version :) <-- i hope it's not the BER edition :p 17:24:29 <TrueBrain> big assumption, that "english speaker" part 17:24:31 <TrueBrain> *troll* 17:24:34 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, they'd have nothing to do :-D 17:24:52 <dihedral> TrueBrain, well - english-ish 17:25:33 <dihedral> developers from india, turky, germany, cz, ... 17:25:42 <dihedral> a brit in the consulting team ... 17:25:56 <TWerkhoven> lol 17:27:18 <Xaroth|Work> brits can't speak english, no :P 17:27:48 <TWerkhoven> i've often been commented on that my english is better than the natives 17:28:16 <Xaroth|Work> I've been commented for talking better english than brits ... so imagine how crappy their english is. 17:28:44 <TWerkhoven> i mightve gotten worse since i started living here 17:28:54 <TWerkhoven> definately have a bit of a scots thing going on now 17:29:52 <Xaroth|Work> right, indeed, annoying corner-case 17:29:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.124.227.111] has joined #openttd 17:31:18 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: pushing 17:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> there was this comedian i heard recently, he went like "when i moved to germany, the people told me 'you'll be immersed in people speaking german, you learn the language in no time. -- no you're not. you're immersed in people speaking english, wis a german akzent. i'm fluent with my german accent now." 17:32:40 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: for reference, in such cases the lib now returns datetime.min 17:33:16 <TWerkhoven> thats good enough for me 17:33:21 <TWerkhoven> should only be server anyway 17:33:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.124.227.111] has quit [] 17:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: also, you should have bought the game in austria, there you could have gotten the uncensored bloody version :p 17:35:36 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: also, I'll introduce some more enums at some point for the poll requests 17:38:36 <TWerkhoven> :) 17:40:14 <dihedral> TrueBrain, i was fighting with trying to get my memories linked.... you remind me of a colleague i used to have in the UK 17:40:43 <dihedral> also a very talented Sys Op :-) 17:40:52 <Xaroth|Work> and a complete BOFH ? 17:41:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b833.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:12 <dihedral> i think that is just asking for a reaction :-P 17:41:47 <Xaroth|Work> it's not really like he needs to confirm something we already know 17:41:48 <Xaroth|Work> I mean... 17:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> he used to be much worse :p 17:45:02 <TWerkhoven> fix works 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25635 /trunk/src/lang (estonian.txt japanese.txt) (2013-07-30 17:45:17 UTC) 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:27 <DorpsGek> estonian - 231 changes by KSiimson 17:45:28 <DorpsGek> japanese - 2 changes by guppy 17:46:09 <TrueBrain> will be posting on tt-forums soon, but for the early birds: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/authentication/draft4.txt 17:49:00 * dihedral reads 17:49:39 <TWerkhoven> quick q about adminport. frame in various packets should relate to ticks or some form of time passed, am i right? 17:49:54 <Xaroth|Work> the command log ones? 17:50:09 <TWerkhoven> yes 17:50:29 <Xaroth|Work> that's the frame as per used by the networking system of openttd 17:51:03 <Xaroth|Work> it's a form of time indication, but I'm not sure as per frequency or whatever 17:51:08 <TWerkhoven> ah, so unrelated to frame as shown in openttd commandline-console 17:51:51 <Xaroth|Work> actually, might be related 17:52:33 <Xaroth|Work> looks about the same thing 17:53:20 <TWerkhoven> when building something, the servercmdlogging always show frame to be 32 17:53:39 <TWerkhoven> joining and then starting a new company show other values for frame 17:53:49 <Xaroth|Work> hm 17:54:06 <TWerkhoven> i've not looked too much into the content of the packets yet it has to be said 17:54:15 <TWerkhoven> just something i found odd 17:54:55 <dihedral> TrueBrain, "once a server validated them, they become invalid." < - Why 17:55:22 <Xaroth|Work> one-time-keys 17:55:25 <TrueBrain> a ticket is a one-time ticket 17:55:28 <TrueBrain> not a multiple-time ticket 17:55:45 <TrueBrain> like an entry ticket to a rollercoaster 17:55:49 <TrueBrain> you cannot reuse it 17:56:10 <Alberth> TB can come as often as he likes in FreeRCT parks! 17:57:11 <LordAro> :D 18:01:44 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: i get 32 as well :o 18:05:43 <scshunt> what about freerct? 18:06:29 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: from what I get data-wise, it -is- always 32 18:06:56 <Xaroth|Work> except once or twice 18:08:31 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause> we hate freerct, it's a competing project!! :p 18:14:44 <LordAro> scshunt: what about it? http://freerct.org 18:20:07 <scshunt> I know about it 18:20:15 <scshunt> 's about it 18:22:15 <TWerkhoven> Xaroth|Work: maybe it gives the game-frame for certain operations (eg company creation) and frames-to-execute-this-packet for any actual construction works (this might mean there are 32 frames per tick?) 18:23:27 <Xaroth|Work> probably 18:23:29 <TWerkhoven> as i know theres a 1tick delay in some places so that all clients have a chance to receive and execute said command 18:28:57 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:58 *** Jomann [~abchirk@e179068032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:30:17 <frosch123> dihedral: who is the goldfish? 18:34:47 * krinn has put socks on after loosing 2 litters of blood offer to mosquito's God 18:35:07 <Belugas> better yet... what's that stuff about goldfish??? 18:37:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:37:04 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052015108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:35 <dihedral> I will not risk my ass just to answer your question, frosch123 :-P 18:37:54 <frosch123> ok, tell belugas in private :p 18:38:02 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Live long and prosper] 18:39:53 <dihedral> done 18:40:40 <dihedral> TrueBrain, did you check the openssl bindings? 18:54:08 <krinn> those stupid newGRF non-sense, took me time to see that ! you cannot attach X to Y, but you can attach Y to X 18:55:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25636 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2013-07-30 18:55:52 UTC) 18:56:00 <DorpsGek> -Fix: invalidate last_loading_station when stopping in depot 18:57:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-234-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:57:28 <Wolf01> hello 18:58:14 <Wolf01> accidents, what are you doing... accidents... stahp! :( 18:58:18 <krinn> hello 18:59:34 <Xaroth|Work> Wolf01: what did you blow up this time? 19:00:23 <Wolf01> nah, I meant the latest 3 transportation accidents 19:04:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25637 trunk/src/linkgraph/linkgraphjob.cpp (2013-07-30 19:03:56 UTC) 19:04:04 <DorpsGek> -Fix: don't keep minimal routing information if automatic distribution has been disabled 19:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> or 4? or 5? 19:07:23 <V453000> yes 19:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> did they actually find out the cause of the one in france? 19:08:22 <Rubidium> some piece of metal was missing in the switch 19:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so it was not locked in place properly? 19:09:37 <Rubidium> not sure. I can't remember (or rather can't remember having heard) the piece that was actually missing 19:10:11 <Rubidium> if it was the guard rail, then the switch could have been locked 19:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a fairly serious train vs. car accident a few weeks back in germany 19:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> where the crossing was only guarded by a light, not by a barrier, and the train (DMU) approached at high speed 19:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause> like 140km/h 19:12:36 <Eddi|zuHause> they now made these trains go slow, and sound the horn, which immediately annoyed the people living there 19:13:12 <Rubidium> yup... the switch was locked 19:13:21 <krinn> it's an eclipse (piece to attach two rails with each other) 19:13:21 <Rubidium> http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/service-distribution/actu/0202895748689-bretigny-la-sncf-confirme-la-these-de-l-eclisse-585985.php 19:13:38 <krinn> that jump out of rail and goes put itself within a crossing point 19:14:36 <krinn> yeah eclisse not eclipse :) 19:16:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:54 <krinn> sncf says it just a material problem, well, better read it as "not our fault", eclisse should be control (and are in theory), so clearly like all accidents : bad piece (material, not well fixed...) + bad control + bad luck = accident 19:20:02 <krinn> but even without the bad luck the piece jump to that point, two rails attach by one eclisse would have gave awful result soon or later 19:20:59 <Rubidium> or they just don't look at them often enough 19:21:08 <krinn> but in france (like many countries i suppose) : responsibility = money, better says it's material so 19:21:34 <krinn> Rubidium, totally right, less control === more money 19:21:50 <Rubidium> actually, better checking => more control => lower costs 19:22:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but... how can 4 screws go loose simultaneously, at a switch that was subject to maintenance recently? 19:22:40 <Xaroth|Work> same way BP Deep Horizon happened 19:22:40 <krinn> well, less control to some point gave a good result, but at a totally out of control point, it gave poorer 19:22:42 <Xaroth|Work> bad maintenance 19:22:43 <Xaroth|Work> bad control 19:24:04 <krinn> and if you see how are the screws, you automatically knows they really abuse 19:25:08 <krinn> http://www.railfasteners.fr/2-rail-jointing/1b.jpg 19:25:30 <krinn> this is the piece that lost its screws 19:25:31 <Rubidium> those joints shouldn't get that much abuse. If they get a lot of abuse, then the track isn't laid right 19:26:16 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:27 <krinn> you can even see in the picture some screws are more tight than others :P 19:27:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:27:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:29:20 <krinn> and so for sncf : the piece lost its screws after last control and while the train was going on... Must be why they never tell "when" was that last control 19:29:41 <krinn> hi Zuu 19:30:37 <Zuu> Hello 19:39:46 <Zuu> IIRC, here trains must use the horn before they pass a railway crossing w/o barrier. It may also be true for some/all crossings with a barrier. 19:41:44 <krinn> we don't have many crossing w/o barrier, but i suppose horn & slow speed should be the rule (except if you want crush some cars) 19:42:39 <krinn> but i know they horn before station :) 19:43:27 <krinn> i have a small station here, and tgv pass it (but don't stop at it) and they horn to warn people (the station rails are even incline so it could pass fast) 19:44:04 <krinn> it's boring when you take a train that stop at it, as the wagon is real high compare to ground because of the inclination 19:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a difference between "not technically secured crossings" and "technically secured crossings", where this one counted as "technically secured" because it has a light 19:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the car driver claimed she couldn't see the light because of the sun 19:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (by some miracle she survived with heavy injuries) 19:50:15 <Rubidium> doesn't not seeing the light imply it being red? 19:50:52 <krinn> not for women :D 19:51:05 * krinn hides 19:51:05 <Rubidium> so Darwin 1-0 19:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause> kinda. the rule is even if the light is off, you should approach slowly and check if a train is coming 19:51:30 <Rubidium> oh, there is no light saying it's safe-ish? 19:51:34 <dihedral> blast - i spent the last hour chasing why a overriding method was not called, just to find out it was called, but the api used catches "Exception" without any output ... grrr 19:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> (but if the light doesn't work, the train has to stop before the crossing) 19:52:12 <krinn> Rubidium, only light saying watchout or watchout even more 20:04:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:40 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C347F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:18 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:18 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:18:51 <krinn> anyone have some odd newGRF feature (for trains/wagon/tracks) in mind i could look at ? 20:19:11 <Rubidium> action 6 20:19:32 <krinn> can you tell me what this do ? 20:19:53 <Rubidium> I rather not talk dirty in this channel 20:19:56 <krinn> i know 0 about newGRF action or the like, only as noai see it 20:21:05 <krinn> i see, modifie contents of sprite ? isn't that just graphic ? 20:21:46 <Rubidium> rather everything but the graphics 20:22:52 <krinn> gave us the actionE to noai :) 20:27:23 <krinn> well, this newGRF doc is good to make newGRF not to discover what people has made with that 20:29:19 <krinn> action0 property 18 is ? 20:29:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DF17.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:26 <krinn> forget last query, i see openttd don't use it 20:31:01 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "action 0 property X" is incomplete without "feature y" 20:33:35 <krinn> must be 0 0 18 20:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: evil thing for AI is probably brake wagons 20:33:44 <krinn> but it's ok i saw openttd don't use it 20:33:59 <krinn> any newgrf i could see with it ? 20:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, the few i would immediately think of said they disable this for AI 20:34:40 <krinn> ah good, not affecting me so 20:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> which is a feature that might be removed in the future, though 20:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (the being able to check whether it's an AI) 20:35:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CED7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:40 <krinn> i was thinking the wagonX only use with trainY was the worst until i saw that trainY cannot be attach to trainZ, but you can do trainZ with trainY 20:36:09 <krinn> what a dumb feature, looks more like a bug than anything 20:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, attaqchment is neither symmetric nor transitive 20:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> attachment rules are stupid, i don't use them 20:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you can attach an ICE3 to a BR01 for all i care... 20:38:22 <krinn> just like this stupid one, it looks ok on paper : autoattach wagon when create to a train 20:38:54 <krinn> without the newgrf openttd create the train, and the wagon, and you move it then, but that newGRF change that and automove it 20:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that has nothing to do with newgrfs 20:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it worked like this in the original game already 20:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> have only 1 engine in depot, create wagon -> automatically attach wagon to train 20:40:14 <krinn> well, dunno, it doesn't do that with stock openttd 20:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> have only wagons in depot, create 1 engine -> automatically attach wagons to train 20:40:38 <krinn> not as AI 20:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i never made an AI 20:41:05 <krinn> create train, create wagon : both remain alone 20:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it's a bug 20:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> like, feature was disabled in one code path, but not the other 20:42:21 <frosch123> i would think it's intentionally disabled for ais 20:42:27 <krinn> well, with 2cc it do that, without it doesn't 20:42:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18697.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:13 <krinn> :o i should recheck that, maybe i only see wagons that cannot be attach 20:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, that was kinda my thought 20:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: maybe make a testcase and report it 20:44:47 <krinn> i'm adding some break after wagon creation to see 20:45:31 <frosch123> [22:40] <Eddi|zuHause> have only wagons in depot, create 1 engine -> automatically attach wagons to train <- is that actually the case? 20:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it used to be, but there was some reshuffling with free wagon chains, not sure if that still works 20:46:05 <krinn> no frosch123 it work for new wagon, not train 20:46:18 <frosch123> anyway, commands should not behave differently for ais depending on whether there is one or two engines in the depot 20:46:29 <frosch123> the auto-attach is a gui feature for humans, not for ais 20:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the use case is: sell engine -> get free wagon chain, immediately buy a new engine -> automatically attach 20:48:11 <frosch123> ah, it does indeed both for humans 20:48:21 <frosch123> though with different methods 20:48:27 <krinn> just tried : it doesn't autoattach them, my mistake, i was moving them too fast 20:48:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it used to be annoying if you had leftover wagons in the depot. then it would attach all wagons, not just the ones you just freed. not sure if that changed 20:49:28 <krinn> well, as ai i prefer the current never attach state 20:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. that makes sense for AIs 20:50:36 <frosch123> hmm, i don't see where it is prevented for ais 20:50:46 <frosch123> i see it for the build wagon case, but not for the build engine case 20:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that's what i suspected. one case might be treated different than the other 20:54:24 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: btw, I'd love to see what you're building. 20:55:05 <Eddi|zuHause> if you build it, they will come 20:57:31 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C347F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:01:41 <krinn> really there's that race condition that cannot be avoid 21:01:52 <krinn> build wagons : save : load you're dead 21:03:19 <krinn> it's then impossible to get the id of the wagons as no functions exist for that, and loosing the id by save/load : so long the wagons, the ai cannot find them (and so remove/move/attach...) 21:05:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't really help you with that 21:06:40 <krinn> i'm trying my last trick to get them to see 21:07:21 <TrueBrain> dihedral: openssl is a nogo because of license issues (ask Debian about details) 21:08:28 <krinn> i'll open a ticket for that, they really are lost 21:11:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:13:08 <dihedral> TrueBrain, and how do you then want to communicate over https only? 21:13:21 <TrueBrain> gnutls 21:13:34 <TrueBrain> its not like there is only a single possible implementation of SSL / TLS 21:13:40 <TrueBrain> more people tend to write the same software 21:13:54 <Xaroth|Work> http://xkcd.com/927/ 21:13:58 <Xaroth|Work> ^ relevant xkcd 21:14:27 <TrueBrain> semi-relevant; the standard is still the same 21:14:31 <TrueBrain> only the implementation differs :D 21:14:39 <Xaroth|Work> true 21:16:20 <dihedral> good to know :-) 21:17:47 <planetmaker> michi_cc, so I need a new(er) ICU to compile your patch queue? 21:18:42 <planetmaker> I have installed icu 4.8.1 but get a linking error with "ld: library not found for -licudata-licule" 21:19:47 <michi_cc> planetmaker: That looks more like an error in either icu-config or our config.lib. I would guess that should read "-licudata -licule" as the libraries are called libicudata and libicule. 21:20:24 <michi_cc> And besides, icule is for the layout engine, which Rb already added to trunk :) 21:20:33 <NGC3982> Are you guys familiar with xt9 on smaller Android tabs? 21:21:18 <planetmaker> right. Let's see 21:37:52 <Wolf01> 'night 21:38:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:43:49 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 21:44:28 <planetmaker> hm, I don't exactly find anywhere where those LDFLAGS are added... 21:45:17 <planetmaker> getting late, though 21:45:27 <planetmaker> a new look at a new day might work wonders :-) 21:46:04 <michi_cc> planetmaker: config.log around line 1719. There's even a comment about missing or not missing spaces. 21:47:36 <michi_cc> Either you have yet another variant or whatever tr is in your path is some weired BSD special version. 21:48:04 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:51 *** amiller [~amiller@pool-96-255-47-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:52 <planetmaker> the "compatibility" section of the man page talks of "previous FreeBSD versions..." :D 21:53:55 <planetmaker> michi_cc, put each icu_config --ldflags-XXX into its own command call 21:54:01 <planetmaker> don't chain them in one 21:54:44 <michi_cc> Don't look at me, I touched exactly zero characters there :) 21:55:20 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/config_icu.diff 21:55:40 <planetmaker> right... let's see. Then I guess I will commit and go to bed :-) 21:57:47 <planetmaker> well then :-) 21:59:11 *** Superuser [~superuser@host86-157-218-28.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:42 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25638 /trunk (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-07-30 22:03:36 UTC) 22:03:43 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r25470): Some icu_config are too stupid to separate two ldflags by spaces, thus only call it with one 22:03:52 <planetmaker> ups... 22:04:02 <planetmaker> that was more than intended 22:04:29 <planetmaker> but that's alright, I guess 22:04:50 <glx> some icu_config don't even work without manual tweaking ;) 22:05:02 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 22:07:18 <planetmaker> good night 22:13:16 <dihedral> it's too late for me too 22:13:18 <dihedral> good night 22:16:26 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:27:02 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:27:03 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [] 22:34:55 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.204.128] has joined #openttd 22:35:36 *** Superuser [~superuser@host86-157-218-28.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. 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