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(www.adiirc.com)] 04:21:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6BD5F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67A3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67671.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:59:17 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:25 *** roadt__ [~roadt@114.96.140.248] has joined #openttd 05:40:32 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.141.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:32:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:37:18 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 06:42:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:12 <andythenorth> hmm 06:47:19 <andythenorth> don't use mixins for instantiation 06:47:20 <andythenorth> ok then 06:48:20 <andythenorth> I'll just grab values from global_ constants instead then :P 07:14:14 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 08:06:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:16:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:29:58 *** Bad_Brett2 [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:01 *** Tulitoma1tti [tt@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c15b-226.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:34:10 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:18 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: Supercheese, Born_Acorn, TheMask96, mikegrb_, Tulitomaatti, Vadtec, ToBeFree 08:39:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, Supercheese, TheMask96, mikegrb_, Vadtec, ToBeFree 08:41:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B31E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:07 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:54:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:56:25 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:59:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:59:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:00:05 <Alberth> mornink 09:01:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387ABA3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:03:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:18:04 <SamanthaD> morning Alberth 09:18:25 <Alberth> o/ 09:18:39 <Alberth> still enjoying openttd? :) 09:18:49 <Rubidium> nope :( 09:18:56 <Alberth> :( 09:22:15 <Rubidium> it's so buggy 09:22:20 <Rubidium> there're like 60 bugs... 09:24:20 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Und weg...] 09:25:09 *** michi_cc [michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 09:27:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd52.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:01 <planetmaker> adf88 is very busy creating issues. And fixing them at the same time 09:29:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B31E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:40 <SamanthaD> of course I am! 09:30:03 <SamanthaD> right now I'm hacking emacs though... 09:39:42 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:52:04 <SamanthaD> anyway... bedtime for me 09:52:08 <SamanthaD> have fun 'yall 09:52:39 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:05 <Alberth> o/ andy 10:04:17 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:04:44 <andythenorth> o/ 10:05:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:05:12 <Wolf01> hi o/ 10:05:21 <Alberth> \o 10:07:42 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:07:57 <Wolf01> I cleaned my keyboard today, I think a standard keyboard could double its mass every 3 years 10:09:41 <Alberth> I shake it while holding it upside down, amazing what comes out of it then :) 10:11:19 <Wolf01> and it's amazing what don't come out, I had to rip off all of the keys to get rid of hairs, biscuits, a gnome village under the right ctrl key 10:12:26 <Alberth> yeah, keyboards are one of the dirtiest areas in an office iirc 10:29:52 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:30:55 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:54 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-36-165.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:34:31 <LordAro> /o 10:34:36 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:34:46 <Wolf01> o/ Aro 10:38:47 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:44:50 *** Weirdlittleeye [~Weirdlitt@a88-112-47-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:44:58 <Malinux-> I guess it's a newgrf who causes this. The standard live-stock-wagons give negative income when they deliver livestock to a station 10:45:08 <Malinux-> instead of. income it says it costs to deliver 10:45:10 <Malinux-> strange 10:45:27 <planetmaker> no 10:45:33 <planetmaker> you use transfer orders 10:45:48 <planetmaker> and the initially estimated income is higher than the actual. 10:45:56 <planetmaker> thus the last vehicle delivering gets negative income 10:46:03 <planetmaker> overall you still make money with the delivery 10:49:01 <Malinux-> ah, but there is a message in top of the train when it deliver live-stock. the message says xxxxx cost 10:49:33 <Malinux-> but the station I pick up from is a transfer-station, so it gets transfered livestock from it 10:51:10 <planetmaker> Malinux-, read up in our wiki upon transfer orders :-) 10:51:27 <Weirdlittleeye> is there an easy way to get linear infrastructure maintenance costs? 10:52:01 <planetmaker> yes. Switch them off :-D 10:52:05 <Malinux-> http://pasteboard.co/2s4e4oBD.png 10:52:06 <planetmaker> it's linear with slope 0 then 10:52:16 <Malinux-> planetmaker: okey, this is the first time I have seen this :) 10:52:19 <Weirdlittleeye> i know, but i was thinking about something more demanding :( 10:52:38 <planetmaker> Weirdlittleeye, then switch them on. But then it's not exactly linear 10:52:49 <planetmaker> which can be considered demanding 10:53:18 <planetmaker> Malinux-, it's quite usual when using transfers. You can shift the income between the 'legs' of the transfer parts 10:53:25 <planetmaker> should be described in wiki in detail, too 10:53:34 <planetmaker> it's some adv. setting 10:54:39 <Malinux-> planetmaker: this means I have to do something about the transfer trains? 10:54:52 <Weirdlittleeye> so i assume there isn't any easy way to get it linear.. basecosts.grf i assume only multiplies the non-linear scaling 10:55:06 <Malinux-> the train in the picture has not a tansfer order, but it picks up transfered livestock 10:56:06 <Malinux-> http://pbrd.co/15J0dOg 10:56:07 <planetmaker> Weirdlittleeye, yes, that only sets the general level by scaling stuff linearily by the selected factor 10:56:31 <planetmaker> Malinux-, yes. transfered cargo is the key 10:57:15 <Malinux-> planetmaker: thanx. I have to check out the transfered cargo :) 10:58:07 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Negative_income_with_feeder_service 11:09:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:10:46 *** imachine_ [~imachine@2a00:dcc0:eda:3754:216:3cff:fe01:8973] has joined #openttd 11:10:53 *** imachine [~imachine@2a00:dcc0:eda:3754:216:3cff:fe01:8973] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:12:57 *** imachine_ is now known as imachine 11:20:51 *** roadt__ [~roadt@114.96.140.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:44 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:14 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 11:33:21 *** kais58__6 is now known as kais58|AFK 11:33:26 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__6 11:38:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 11:50:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:55:06 <Weirdlittleeye> i guess the nearest i can get to linear infrastructure costs is to increase vehicle running costs using basecosts.. there is some of the same effect, but it doesn't take into account infrastructure usage synergy 11:56:21 <planetmaker> Weirdlittleeye, also non-linear costs for infrastructure requires usage synergy. It actually requires it even more 11:56:30 <planetmaker> the more you build, the better you have to use it 11:56:34 <Weirdlittleeye> yes, i tried it 11:56:41 <planetmaker> but? 11:56:47 <Weirdlittleeye> but i think linear would be more fun 11:56:55 <Weirdlittleeye> simply :) 12:18:23 <Weirdlittleeye> i had an idea of demand-based economy, and then i checked the forums and YACD seemed to be closest to my idea.. gonna try it now 12:18:59 <Weirdlittleeye> if it works like i think it might, it is a tremendous improvement over the a-bit-silly default economy 12:19:00 <planetmaker> Weirdlittleeye, did you try a nightly build and play with cargodist? 12:19:16 <Weirdlittleeye> no, i checked the description of cargodist though 12:19:29 <planetmaker> well. That's what openttd now ships with 12:19:33 <Weirdlittleeye> but it didn't seem so close to demand-driven economy 12:19:50 <planetmaker> yes not exactly as close. But the gameplay is rather similar 12:19:53 <Weirdlittleeye> more like a solution for some problems created by the existing model 12:20:28 <andythenorth> YACD is closes to demand driven idea 12:20:34 <andythenorth> there is no price mechanic in ottd 12:21:08 <andythenorth> closest * :) 12:21:31 <andythenorth> price would be fun imho, but it's a whole extra layer of complications 12:21:49 *** Tom_Soft [~id@37.140.126.60] has joined #openttd 12:22:00 <Weirdlittleeye> i guess it depends on the design, but i'll have to test YACD first.. might take some time :) 12:22:52 <andythenorth> YACD is sadly not up to date with trunk 12:23:08 <planetmaker> yes... 12:23:14 <Weirdlittleeye> there are a bunch of compiled things i gathered 12:23:28 <Weirdlittleeye> how far is nightly from stable? 12:23:42 <planetmaker> ~8 months 12:23:52 <Weirdlittleeye> is there a difference changelog or such? 12:24:10 <planetmaker> yes... the repo changelog 12:24:26 <planetmaker> for nightlies. stables ship with changelog 12:24:31 <Alberth> everything in the trunk commits which is not in the changelog of stables 12:24:41 <Alberth> ie new features mostly 12:25:19 <planetmaker> and new bugs :-P 12:26:04 <Alberth> people never write then in the commit message for some reason :p 12:26:42 *** roadt__ [~roadt@114.96.140.248] has joined #openttd 12:26:54 <planetmaker> :D 12:27:15 <planetmaker> -Feature: Add some random bugs 12:28:04 <Weirdlittleeye> looks like the newest compiled YACD is for 1.3.0-beta2 12:28:07 <andythenorth> just check any commit by me :P 12:28:15 <andythenorth> random chance of bugs :P 12:28:38 <Weirdlittleeye> (unofficial) 12:31:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:38:21 <Alberth> yeah, for some reason some patchers prefer to patch against stables instead of trunk, which to me makes no sense at all 12:39:03 <planetmaker> :-) 12:48:13 <andythenorth> id range for vehicles is ~65k? 12:48:26 <andythenorth> and there's no restriction on articulated ids being <128 any more? 12:52:49 <planetmaker> there is a restriction on articulated IDs. But much bigger 12:55:50 <Weirdlittleeye> i had a bus going between two stations inside a small town, when i moved other of the stations further, i believe the income only increased in one direction travelled.. i wonder how it is supposed to go 12:56:30 <andythenorth> "For NML 0.2 and lower the vehicle ID of the articulated part must be in the range 0 .. 127." 12:56:42 <andythenorth> so for higher nml? o_O 12:57:55 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 12:57:58 <Alberth> doesn't nml handle ids for you? 12:58:15 <planetmaker> andythenorth, you haven't been handling NML 0.2 for... ages :D 12:58:30 <andythenorth> Alberth: I use explicit ids 12:58:36 <andythenorth> can't remember why, but I do 12:58:43 <andythenorth> possibly because the string ids might change 12:58:53 <andythenorth> there was some reason 12:59:16 <planetmaker> the reason is that you can then juggle around vehicles without set becoming incompatible with previous versions 12:59:38 <andythenorth> yes 12:59:39 <andythenorth> that 12:59:46 <andythenorth> and it's not much work 13:04:15 <planetmaker> andythenorth, NML 0.3: 2**15 articulated IDs 13:04:34 <planetmaker> hm, no 13:04:40 <planetmaker> 2**13 13:05:08 <andythenorth> @calc 2**13 13:05:08 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 8192 13:05:10 <andythenorth> ok thanks 13:12:23 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:15:49 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387ABA3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 13:22:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:45:14 *** Bad_Brett2 [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:47:55 <Weirdlittleeye> YACD logic seems very nice for passengers, mail and valuables 13:48:18 <Weirdlittleeye> 'route-demand' driven 13:48:42 <Weirdlittleeye> for other types i think demand-driven (without route) would be nicer 13:49:35 <Weirdlittleeye> the first idea would be that the destinations each have an individual price they pay for the cargo 13:50:13 <Weirdlittleeye> so that distance-based value is only left for route-demand-driven cargo 13:50:25 <Weirdlittleeye> or perhaps time instead of distance, hmm 13:50:38 <Weirdlittleeye> as distance determines some of the time 13:52:17 <Weirdlittleeye> destinations would set their prices based on their point of view (distance to closest source? demand could have an effect) 13:52:44 <Weirdlittleeye> something like this would be my vision of making the economy fun 13:53:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:15 <andythenorth> hmm 13:56:27 <andythenorth> newgrf with 2 eras (steam, diesel) 13:56:31 <andythenorth> 8 locos per era 13:56:41 <andythenorth> randomise the locos from a choice of say, 16? o_O 13:56:48 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:49 <andythenorth> (not even sure if it's possible) 13:56:53 <andythenorth> or wise 13:56:59 <andythenorth> but every game would be different :P 13:57:04 <planetmaker> possible... possibly 13:58:06 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:03:53 <andythenorth> how would it be done? 14:04:11 <andythenorth> is there a random seed parameter, per game? 14:05:01 <planetmaker> yes. Not sure it's newgrf-accessible. But in principle either it, or a random number per newgrf could be added 14:05:14 <planetmaker> I think Eddi|zuHause had a patch for that :D 14:06:29 <andythenorth> I would group locos into things like 'general purpose', 'heavy freight' etc 14:06:42 <andythenorth> so that gameplay wasn't totally broken 14:06:47 <andythenorth> might allow it to break a bit :) 14:06:52 <andythenorth> for amusement 14:07:09 <andythenorth> bbl 14:07:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:12:58 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:12:58 *** George is now known as Guest5957 14:12:58 *** George|2 is now known as George 14:14:48 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:27 <Weirdlittleeye> oops, the effect of distance is reverse, so never mind 14:17:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:04 *** mhl 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purposes 16:04:42 <andythenorth> (might want to save it in the savegame) :P 16:05:41 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AF8E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:08 <Supercheese> "Parameter 1: Please input a random number between 0 and XXXX" :P 16:10:41 *** Tom_Soft [~id@37.140.126.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:57 * andythenorth has considered random-on-compile before...but that would be evil :P 16:21:36 <Miauw> fucking... 16:21:39 <Miauw> Why did that train get stuck 16:22:49 <Miauw> Argh 16:23:00 <Miauw> Unelectrified piece of rail... 16:34:39 *** fjb is now known as Guest5968 16:34:41 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:46 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:24 *** Guest5968 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:18 <Miauw> I have triggered a bussapocalypse. 16:41:31 <Miauw> I made about 50 busses and released them all at once. 16:44:01 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:45:24 <frosch123> just also release a train 16:48:52 <V453000> nobody uses trains 16:51:59 <peter1138> Welease Woger! 16:58:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> I think Eddi|zuHause had a patch for that :D <-- http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5487 17:16:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:52 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:12 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:42 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 18:16:54 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:14 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:22:40 *** DanMacK [~Cyclone29@node-1660.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:45 <DanMacK> Hey a;; 18:22:47 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:48 <DanMacK> all even 18:22:54 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 18:22:54 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: * andythenorth has considered random-on-compile before...but that would be evil :P 18:54:32 <Alberth> V453000: nuts 0.5.5, monorail Brickwalker is advertised as running 211km/h, iron ore train does only 128km/h even when empty 18:54:39 <Alberth> is that correct? 18:54:50 <V453000> read the info again :) 18:55:01 <V453000> it is probably correct 18:55:32 <Alberth> oh! sorry 18:55:46 <V453000> glad you asked :) 18:56:20 <Alberth> hmm, 2 engines should then run faster 18:56:34 <V453000> same speed 18:56:57 <V453000> but generally with chameleons using multiple engines is very convenient 18:57:09 <V453000> I as you only lose 14t capacity per each added 18:57:16 <V453000> and the power/TE is inscreasing a lot :) 18:57:37 <Alberth> but there is one less added unit :) 18:58:08 <Alberth> ok, will make shorter trains :) 19:00:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:00:11 <andythenorth> DanMacK: LO 19:00:14 <andythenorth> oops 19:00:15 <andythenorth> caps 19:00:16 <andythenorth> lo 19:01:24 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:02:09 <DanMacK> HEY! lol 19:02:29 <Alberth> V453000: multiple engines do not seem very needed, they reach top-speed quite quickly 19:02:58 <V453000> I think it is worht multiplying even with 2 tile trains 19:03:55 <V453000> what length do you use 19:03:57 <Alberth> perhaps my tracks are not busy enough :) 19:04:09 <V453000> 128kmh is probably already slow enough to be just fine with the low power 19:04:22 <V453000> I personally used 5 tile trains many times and they were ~ok with 1 engine too 19:05:28 <V453000> it depends a lot on the general plan you have 19:05:40 <V453000> I often do rail strong -> chameleon -> slugs 19:05:51 <V453000> which obviously means you want 1 engine per trains since slugs 19:06:10 <Alberth> compared with the current strong engines it is a nice improvement, but I wanted more speed improvement than an additional 20km/h :) 19:06:14 <V453000> but if I plan to focus on chameleons, 2 engines cost you almost nothing and add a lot 19:06:49 <Alberth> oh, you plan that far ahead :) 19:06:54 <V453000> depends, if your network has problems at stations, chameleons can hurt as they have 7 loading stages 19:07:46 <V453000> sure, I almost always know in the start of the game which engines I will use ... which is essential to know for picking the right train length, network type, and amount of engines 19:08:32 <V453000> if I intend to use superstrong, I obviously wont bother with 2nd engine even if my trains are 10 tiles long 19:08:33 <Alberth> nah, long distance cargo-dist, with the main fun being the need to distribute stuff at the accepting end :) 19:09:03 <V453000> "cargodist" isnt defining a network, any train can be used with that specification :P 19:09:26 <V453000> but long-distance generally means monorail is best 19:09:31 <V453000> (monorail fast / intercity) 19:09:54 <V453000> - but you cannot have too many junctions that way, as both of them require long curves 19:10:05 <V453000> or well you can but .. :) 19:14:12 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/Fredtown Transport, 1963-11-24.sav and it has a weird fish http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/FISH_2-alpha4.tar in case you cannot get it 19:19:21 *** DanMacK [~Cyclone29@node-1660.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [] 19:20:42 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:38 *** Guest5957 is now known as George 19:26:43 <V453000> Alberth: flat much? :P 19:27:15 <Alberth> temperate is flat for me :) 19:28:04 <V453000> this isnt flat, this is FLAT :D 19:28:21 <V453000> bloody dutch :) 19:28:27 <Alberth> :D 19:29:24 <V453000> either way, I think majority of your network would be okay with rail medium 19:29:51 <V453000> I wouldnt expect chameleons to have any strong performance with this setup 19:30:47 <V453000> chameleons are useful in 2 scenarios for cargo trains: 1. for short trains, absolutely best for 2 tile trains, or 2. longer trains - but when they can use the very short curve resulting from the speed reduction, and monorail bonus 19:31:15 <V453000> but then still, with the traffic you have, you can probably use anything 19:31:42 <V453000> ships could have considerable capacity but would spend ages loading 19:32:00 <Alberth> yeah, you can even run different length trains at the monorail without getting trains waiting on each other 19:33:29 <V453000> still, you should make a lot of rails everywhere and use slugs for the short curve + awesomeness :P 19:34:01 <V453000> on another note, I am thinking about redrawing the ship signals, they arent quite too nice 19:35:15 <Alberth> no slugs yet :) 19:35:41 <Alberth> I have a hard time understanding front and back on those signals 19:36:10 <V453000> they didnt end up the most fortunate way :) 19:36:59 <V453000> slugs are 2016 for animal express, 2070 for the basic version and 2099 for the ultimate rainbow ones :P takes time 19:38:19 <Alberth> oh, that's ok, having lots of fun with current trains :) 19:39:16 <V453000> :) 19:39:49 <V453000> I think updating to 0.5.8 should be safe btw 19:40:34 <V453000> but most of the changes since 0.5.5 are regarding rainbow slugs, rest is rather minor 19:40:41 <V453000> so unless you intend to use those, no real reason to update 19:41:02 *** frodus [~frodus_de@static243-243-8.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:17 *** frodus [~frodus_de@static243-243-8.mimer.net] has quit [] 19:42:24 <Alberth> just like andy, you make too many new releases for me to keep up :) 19:43:16 <V453000> well, if it was all in one big release, it would be even harder to keep up :P 19:50:32 <V453000> anyway, good night :P 19:50:40 <V453000> PS there are FIVE more trains coming XD 19:53:10 <Alberth> gn, V 20:01:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.66.27] has joined #openttd 20:02:38 <andythenorth> bye 20:02:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:17:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:21:16 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 20:56:03 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.99.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 21:10:12 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:33 *** Weirdlittleeye [~Weirdlitt@a88-112-47-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:26:52 *** gelignite 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