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00:05:05 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:07 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5011.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:18 <Djohaal> ok is there some way of telling OTTD to store the size I want for a window? 00:28:38 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 00:34:25 <glx> maybe something with ctrl 00:35:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:33 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:10:38 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 01:25:53 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:37:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67DAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:33:20 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 03:05:07 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.132.108.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:23 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.224.135] has joined #openttd 03:16:54 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-232-145.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:54 *** xT2 is now known as ST2 03:27:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A913.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67DAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4913.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:24:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:33 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.95.46] has joined #openttd 05:35:37 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:14 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:41:20 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.88.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:40 <dihedral> good morning 06:17:59 *** Pecio [~fgh@abzt23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:24:53 *** frodus [~frodus_de@mail.offsim.no] has joined #openttd 06:25:37 *** frodus [~frodus_de@mail.offsim.no] has quit [] 06:37:53 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 06:43:55 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:31 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:58:17 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:14:36 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:33 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:46:55 <planetmaker> moin 07:48:29 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-93.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:13:46 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:15:27 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:17:25 <dihedral> planet o/ maker 08:19:58 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:20:06 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 08:33:20 <peter1138> Silly Windows. I turned my network printer on, and Windows says "Yay you have an HP LaserJet 5N at this IP, now pick a driver from this list..." 08:33:30 <peter1138> List does not contain model... 08:35:27 <V453000> I blame linux 08:35:55 <peter1138> And HP's site, after filling in the fields to download the driver, says... Install the driver included in Windows 7. Right. 08:36:10 <peter1138> Yeah, in Linux it would be easy. 08:41:02 <peter1138> And after all that, the print out is fucked anyway :-( 08:43:06 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:07 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:13:17 <peter1138> Hmm, yes, random play... normal music on at regular volume, go upstairs to deal with matters... LOUDEST THRASH HEAVY METAL plays and I can't do a thing about it... :p 09:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> at least you're entertaining the neighbours :) 09:42:00 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:57:32 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:57:42 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:58:05 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:09:48 <__ln__> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2013/09/11/frog-blasts-off-with-recent-nasa-rocket/ 10:49:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A913.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:26:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:51:08 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.157.220.18] has quit [Quit: I've been using it for quite some time and I'm pretty happy with it, but maybe there's something that I don't know about it, so please do tell. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:56:07 *** DanMacK [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:56:26 <DanMacK> Hey all 12:56:33 *** Pecio [~fgh@abzt23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:03:35 <planetmaker> hey DanMacK :-) 13:08:47 <roboboy> hey DanMacK 13:11:23 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p5B0B6140.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:50 *** DanMacK [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:31:50 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 13:44:41 *** DanMacK [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:48:55 <DanMacK> Hey all 13:49:35 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-13-206.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:49:43 <DanMacK> Hey hey 13:51:08 <Pikka> hello 13:52:27 <smallfly> hey :) 13:53:06 <planetmaker> o/ 13:53:16 <planetmaker> the return of the Pikka 13:53:30 <Pikka> doesn't it 14:07:30 <peter1138> It doesn't. 14:07:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:08:28 <__ln__> you'dn't say that 14:16:58 *** DanMacK_ [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:18:05 <DanMacK_> stupid server 14:20:20 <peter1138> Hmm, I'm sure I had a patch to only get sprites for vehicles on screen... 14:20:54 <peter1138> Maybe it was slower... 14:21:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@www1.sdrf.se] has joined #openttd 14:21:50 *** DanMacK [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:33 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:24 <LordAro> /o Zuu 14:25:31 <Zuu> Hello 14:27:04 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:35:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25759 /trunk/src (goal_gui.cpp story_gui.cpp) (2013-09-12 14:35:52 UTC) 14:35:56 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r25369): Set the owner flag of the goal and story windows 14:36:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 14:36:59 <andythenorth> if I want train speed to be unlimited in nml, what value do I set for speed? 14:37:17 <peter1138> There is no unlimited. 14:37:22 <V453000> unlimited train speed? :D 14:37:29 <V453000> 65k iz max 14:37:40 * andythenorth rephrases 14:38:12 <andythenorth> if I want wagons to have no speed limit, what value do I set for speed in nml? 14:38:16 <V453000> none 14:38:33 <V453000> you just dont set speed for wagons 14:39:08 <andythenorth> hrm 14:40:32 <V453000> rm rm, please dont tell me you want your wagons to have speed limits 14:41:04 <andythenorth> what's wrong with it? 14:41:18 <peter1138> It doesn't fit his style of play, therefore it's worthless. 14:41:19 <V453000> about everything? :D 14:44:38 <Pikka> mm, Wogan speed limits. 14:45:16 <peter1138> Terry? 14:45:23 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 14:47:08 <andythenorth> lo pokka 14:47:11 <andythenorth> @seen Pikka 14:47:11 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <Pikka> mm, Wogan speed limits. 14:47:16 <andythenorth> ho ho he's here 14:47:22 <Pikka> who is? 14:47:24 <andythenorth> how is BNE? 14:47:38 <Pikka> bne is fab 14:47:52 <andythenorth> are you a working man again? 14:48:04 <Pikka> in theory! 14:48:08 <Pikka> but not an earning man 14:48:44 <Pikka> novel writing. going quite well. 14:49:02 <Pikka> hoping to have it vaguely done-ish by the end of the year. then I might go and get a job for a while to refill the coffers. 14:51:04 <andythenorth> ho that's pretty awesome 14:51:08 <andythenorth> everyone has a book inside them 14:51:21 * andythenorth wrote about 75k words of a bad novel 15 years ago 14:51:22 <andythenorth> deleted it 14:51:37 <andythenorth> what's it about? o_O 14:51:38 <Pikka> oop 14:52:18 <Pikka> it's a political thriller set in queensland in the 1880s. railways are tangentially involved. 14:54:41 <andythenorth> \o/ 14:54:52 <V453000> xd 14:55:19 <V453000> I write fictional horrors, digital rails very involved :P 14:57:01 <andythenorth> V453000: so I ask how to remove speed limits, and you think I"m adding them...? :D 14:57:50 * planetmaker only wrote a few hundret words of bad poetry 14:58:24 * andythenorth wrote 30k lines of nfo :P 15:01:23 <V453000> I WAS AFRAID andythenorth :P 15:01:47 <V453000> omg nfo :) 15:01:47 <Pikka> andythenorth, limit every wagon to 20km/h 15:01:53 <andythenorth> ok 15:02:02 <Pikka> that'll learn 'em 15:02:08 <peter1138> DBSetXL with early wagons :D 15:02:16 <andythenorth> Pikka: so no newgrfs for you? 15:02:27 <Pikka> well 15:02:45 <Pikka> I reactivated the dreaded facebook the other day, and Dan started talking to me about IH 15:02:56 <Pikka> soo... perhaps newgrfs :) 15:03:10 <peter1138> IH? 15:03:16 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/v5003-93/docs/html/get_started.html 15:03:20 <Pikka> I haven't played openttd for ages though, I'll have to have a go with cargodist and everything. 15:03:28 <andythenorth> the docs are not finished yet :P 15:04:15 <peter1138> OpenTTD... play... that'll be novel. 15:04:24 <andythenorth> write a play 15:04:29 <juzza1> Zuu: can you help me a bit with musa? im trying to run it on windows, but getting "No magic header" after it starts packaging the files 15:04:44 <juzza1> im giving it four files, changelog, the grf itself, and two readme files 15:05:49 *** DanMacK_ [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:07:11 <Zuu> That error is raised by grfid.py when the .grf file doesn't confirm to some standard required. 15:07:56 <Zuu> I know close to zero about NewGRFs so I can't tell if there is a bug in grfid.py or if your input data is malformated. 15:08:14 <Zuu> But the error is caused by your .grf file not complying with a check in musa. 15:08:53 <Zuu> How did you create your .grf file? 15:09:39 <juzza1> using the compiler at https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/finnishtrainset/ (from nml source, using makefile) 15:10:09 <juzza1> (and nmlc) 15:10:19 <Zuu> This is the python code that triggers the error: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2609/ 15:12:26 <Zuu> Someone who knows NML/nfo/NewGRFs better than me will need to look at that python code to see if its broken with respect to recent nmlc. 15:13:32 <planetmaker> well... nmlc should not create invalid NewGRFs... 15:14:09 <Zuu> I mean, there may be a header version 3 that was created the last months or so ... 15:14:20 <planetmaker> at least not invalid enough that openttd barfs on it :D 15:14:45 *** Tom_Soft [~id@37.140.124.50] has joined #openttd 15:20:28 <roboboy> gnight peoples 15:20:39 <Rubidium> already? ;) 15:20:57 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I need another push by you :-P 15:20:58 <Rubidium> it's only like the middle of the night over there, right? 15:21:03 <Rubidium> oh andythenorth... 15:21:10 <Pikka> 1:20am, Rubidium 15:21:27 <Rubidium> andythenorth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c7bISLhVl8 (Iron Horse anthem?) 15:21:39 <andythenorth> Rubidium: could be :) 15:21:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ?? 15:22:18 <planetmaker> built failed. Due to ... messed-up post-built script on CF. And I want to check the modification I made ;-) 15:22:37 <planetmaker> well. built didn't fail. Publishing did 15:25:46 *** DanMacK [~439e4949@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:25:47 <andythenorth> any specific project? 15:25:50 <andythenorth> about to push IH 15:25:53 <andythenorth> lo DanMacK 15:25:54 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:25:59 <DanMacK> Hey andy 15:26:05 <planetmaker> nah, any is fine :-) 15:26:15 <planetmaker> actually I totally have the option to manually trigger builds :D 15:31:49 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:32:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:52 <andythenorth> DanMacK: remind me, 2 generations of wagons, then maglev? 15:34:57 <andythenorth> or 3 generations? 15:35:25 <DanMacK> 3 if you include the "early" set, but the base set has 2 15:35:36 <andythenorth> hmm 15:35:37 <andythenorth> ok 15:35:45 <andythenorth> it's all in one codebase, so let's say 3 15:36:01 <andythenorth> so gen 1 and gen 2 have speed limits in that case, and gen 3 is unlimited? 15:41:04 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 15:41:48 <DanMacK> Gen 3 is Maglev? 15:41:57 <andythenorth> gen 0 for early? :P 15:42:02 <andythenorth> gen -1 :D 15:42:25 <andythenorth> I'll leave it alone for now 15:42:26 <DanMacK> yeah that works, because the "early" I was thinking a separate grf 15:42:46 <andythenorth> it would probably all be in one codebase, just generate multiple grfs from it 15:42:58 <andythenorth> remind me about gen_0 another time :P 15:59:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:46 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd03a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 16:28:05 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.132.108.120] has joined #openttd 16:29:08 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:29:09 <Djohaal> ok 16:29:18 <Djohaal> how do I disable the stock vehicles from openGFX? 16:29:38 <Djohaal> I'm getting some issues with packs such as aviators airplanes, because then I have like the concorde and the yate haugan 16:30:08 <Pinkbeast> Huh. Normally I expect the stock vehicles to be disabled by default if a vehicle GRF is loaded... 16:31:37 <Djohaal> welp I'm getting some weirdness then, duplicate airplanes and ships (I have FISH pack too, got two MPS passenger haulers) 16:32:01 <Djohaal> I'm on a nightly build, could that be the cause? 16:32:35 <Pinkbeast> Djohaal: Worth loading the same GRFs into a release and seeing what happens. 16:32:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B36E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:51 <Djohaal> yup duplicates 16:33:58 <Djohaal> yate haugan AND concorde 16:34:13 <Djohaal> and two MPS pax ferries 16:38:23 <Pinkbeast> Djohaal: This is out of my depth. I think disabling default vehicles is a function of the newgrf, but... dunno guv 16:49:22 <juzza1> it should be. some other grf might be forcing them on, though 16:49:39 <juzza1> or wait... that shouldn't happen 16:50:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 16:50:40 <juzza1> yep, disregard what i said 16:58:05 *** Jomann [~abchirk@e178184006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:05:12 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@g226181232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:15 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:38 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:09:26 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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21:23:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:24:44 <Supercheese> infrastructure maintenance? 21:25:29 <Djohaal> hmm 21:25:30 <Djohaal> could try that 21:25:44 <Supercheese> I think it was written to fill that niche, even 21:25:56 <Supercheese> OTTD inflation mechanic is notoriously broken 21:31:56 <Djohaal> makes sense 21:32:02 <Djohaal> plus I can toggle it in and out 21:32:16 <Rubidium> Supercheese: how is it notoriously broken? 21:32:55 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.95.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:23 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=64414#p1066793 21:33:27 <Supercheese> (and the rest of that thread) 21:35:55 <Rubidium> maybe your sarcasm detector isn't working ;) 21:36:13 <Bad_Brett> hmm... i don't really like stuff like super high inflation, higher taxes, maintainance cost etc. those are just simple penalties for doing too good 21:36:17 <Supercheese> Well, pikka's posts, then 21:36:26 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=64414#p1066875 21:37:26 <Bad_Brett> i would like to see a patch where the transport system needs constant tweaking instead 21:38:08 <Rubidium> Supercheese: that problem also happens with inflation disabled 21:39:01 <Rubidium> if I start in 1850, then by the time I'm in 1920 I have such a load of money that the high "initial" prices for vehicles to make a game in 1920 relatively hard to start are obnoxiously cheap 21:39:16 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:39:25 <Rubidium> but you can't increase the prices, because then you can't build them when you start in 1920 21:39:52 <Supercheese> Well, wasn't infra maintenance designed to counter the "load of money" syndrome? 21:41:14 <Rubidium> it doesn't solve that problem 21:41:24 <Rubidium> it makes it marginally harder to reach 21:42:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:34 <Supercheese> can't grfs alter maintenance costs? There could be more room for "balancing" there 21:43:38 <Djohaal> Bad_Brett: it's just it is too easy for me 21:43:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B36E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:09 <Djohaal> seems like the other players in my server are doing fine with that difficulty. but I am a seasoned simutrans player, so yeah quite economic-savvy 21:44:19 <Bad_Brett> i agree 100% 21:44:29 <Supercheese> I don't recall see any grf specifically designed to alter maintenance costs, although Av8 changes airports' 21:44:32 <Supercheese> seeing* 21:44:46 <Rubidium> Supercheese: they can... but they can't scale the amount based on the amount of money a company has 21:45:04 <Bad_Brett> my point is that it's a very common game design mistake to penalize players for doing to well 21:45:18 <Bad_Brett> there are other, better ways to make a game hard 21:45:22 <Rubidium> so, either you make it so huge that you can't get started, or it isn't high enough to prevent (eventual) infinite amounts of money 21:45:41 <Djohaal> simutrans maanged to figure out a difficulty solution that is universally difficult 21:45:49 <Djohaal> even if you are doing quite well a badly set up line can bring you ruin 21:46:10 <Djohaal> their early game is a bit more difficult than average, but the game keeps pressure troughout most of the duration 21:46:29 <oskari89> You can ruin yourself by bad line design, by using basecosts 21:46:40 <Bad_Brett> no, you can't 21:46:43 <oskari89> And raising the rail/road/etc maintenance 21:46:52 <Bad_Brett> only in the beginning 21:47:22 <Bad_Brett> rail maintenance sounds good though 21:47:40 <oskari89> Try it :P 21:47:48 <Bad_Brett> i will 21:47:52 <oskari89> Raise it 128x, you will notice 21:48:02 <oskari89> Or maybe 64x for beginning 21:48:55 <oskari89> It will eat your profits efficently if you build a large network with just few trains 21:49:12 <Djohaal> is basecost universally compatible? 21:49:18 <Bad_Brett> yeah, that doesn't sound bad at all 21:49:21 <Djohaal> because I use a huge mish-mash of GRFs 21:49:39 <oskari89> Basecost is universally compatible, grab it from BaNaNas 21:50:15 <Bad_Brett> the thing about rail maintenance is that it doesn't punish you just because you're rich 21:50:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A913.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:41 <oskari89> Yeah, it punishes you if you have too small or too large network 21:50:49 <Bad_Brett> yes 21:50:53 <oskari89> With too much or too less trains 21:51:02 <Bad_Brett> and i can imagine that gridlocks can really hurt the business 21:51:35 <oskari89> Yeah, they _do_ bring down profits if you have a main line running nearly everything or so 21:51:49 <oskari89> Few times that has appened 21:51:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.177.5] has joined #openttd 21:51:53 <oskari89> *happened 21:53:14 <Bad_Brett> i have to try it then 21:53:26 <oskari89> Try it with different cost factors 21:53:30 <Bad_Brett> yeah 21:53:43 <Bad_Brett> i'm looking for good ways to make my scenario more challenging 21:53:53 <oskari89> Train running cost factor is one way too 21:54:13 <Bad_Brett> yeah 21:54:27 <Bad_Brett> another good thing about about rail maintenence 21:54:49 <Bad_Brett> is that rivers can become quite important 21:55:10 <Bad_Brett> i really like this idea 22:01:39 <oskari89> Rubidium: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=63119&p=1096338#p1096338 22:03:34 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-176-132-167.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:38 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-176-132-167.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:19:48 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 22:26:52 *** kais58__6 [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd03a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:38:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:01:32 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> am i stupid or blind or is MB just talking in too riddly riddles? 23:08:19 *** Zuu [~Zuu@www1.sdrf.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:12 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 23:27:13 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:43:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-39-178.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:49:41 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]