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02:36:32  <AndreasB> dayumn
02:36:40  <AndreasB> 1957 and I have 4 mill already
02:36:45  <AndreasB> I'm doing something right :D
03:26:09  <Flygon> Inflation on or off?
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04:12:59  <AndreasB> on
04:13:05  <AndreasB> But not much inflation yet
04:13:22  <AndreasB> maxloan when I started was 200 000, now at 250k
04:13:31  <AndreasB> and i have 27 mill
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06:44:28  <zgrillo2004> yo
06:44:45  <zgrillo2004> anyone there?
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06:45:58  <planetmaker> @topic get 3
06:45:58  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask
06:46:10  <planetmaker> but good morning
06:46:11  <zgrillo2004> lol
06:46:23  <zgrillo2004> anywyas Im having a problem on getting silicon valley to work
06:46:34  <zgrillo2004> apparently it crashes becauses of superlib
06:46:45  <zgrillo2004> from what I red Ottd is opening the wrong type
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06:46:59  <planetmaker> did you use ingame content download to obtain silicon valley?
06:47:04  <zgrillo2004> yes
06:47:06  <zgrillo2004> I did
06:47:07  <planetmaker> then you should get the proper superlib version
06:47:09  <planetmaker> hm
06:47:18  <zgrillo2004> I using revision 35
06:47:22  <zgrillo2004> its SUperlic for NoGO
06:47:28  <zgrillo2004> *superlib
06:48:56  <planetmaker> hm, difficult, I guess
06:49:22  <zgrillo2004> I think its A WELL KNOWN PROBLEM
06:49:25  <zgrillo2004> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/date/2012-09-08?page=2
06:49:29  <zgrillo2004> CAPS
06:49:31  <zgrillo2004> oi
06:49:32  <zgrillo2004> sry
06:49:37  <zgrillo2004> cant see tonight
06:50:03  <planetmaker> ok, I suggest to make a comment in the thread dedicated to SiliconValley in our forums
06:50:10  <planetmaker> Then the author can see that and fix that possibly
06:50:18  <zgrillo2004> alright
06:50:23  <planetmaker> I would think there's a new version since 2012, though...
06:50:46  <planetmaker> that conversation you link is 12 months old... maybe dependency was not properly set
06:50:58  <zgrillo2004> thats what I think also
06:51:04  <planetmaker> though... I don't recall an issue when I setup that on our server. But we might have had the proper SuperLib by chance
06:51:06  <zgrillo2004> probably a change to the nut file?
06:51:26  <zgrillo2004> if you had the proper file, why was it deleted?
06:53:00  <planetmaker> You need the exact same version for the library. It won't become deleted
06:54:17  <zgrillo2004> but where is that revision then?
06:54:25  <zgrillo2004> its not in bananas
06:54:59  <planetmaker> probably it is. But you only get the latest. Unless a script or AI requests an older library as dependency
06:55:44  <planetmaker> http://ps.openttdcoop.org/content_download/game/library/ <-- take that from here
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06:57:58  <zgrillo2004> got it. lets see if it works
06:58:25  <planetmaker> needs to go in ~/game/library folder
06:58:42  <planetmaker> not directly the game folder
06:58:52  <zgrillo2004> already knew that
06:58:57  <planetmaker> good :-)
06:59:04  <zgrillo2004> I put it with the rest of the library files the GS needs
06:59:05  <zgrillo2004> and it works
06:59:23  <zgrillo2004> though im not sure if that GS is compatible with later revisions4
06:59:23  <planetmaker> :-) I'd still leave a comment at the SiliconValley thread
06:59:24  <zgrillo2004> does it?
06:59:33  <planetmaker> what later revisions?
06:59:39  <zgrillo2004> revision 35
06:59:43  <zgrillo2004> *36
06:59:57  <planetmaker> the GS needs exactly 35, if it says so. Later won't work
07:00:06  <zgrillo2004> hmm
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07:02:02  <zgrillo2004> ok I made a POST
07:02:17  <zgrillo2004> though it aint detailed but it will do
07:02:24  <zgrillo2004> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=62556&p=1098477#p1098477
07:02:29  <zgrillo2004> also another peoblem
07:02:39  <zgrillo2004> I tried to connect this IRC through mibbit
07:03:11  <zgrillo2004> but it throws this error  Closing Link: ircip1.mibbit.com (Banned)
07:03:22  <zgrillo2004> I dont know if its me or something
07:03:24  <zgrillo2004> its odd
07:03:36  <planetmaker> it's mibbit banned on the whole network
07:03:47  <zgrillo2004> I dont understna
07:03:50  <zgrillo2004> *understand
07:03:56  <planetmaker> mibbit doesn't work with this IRC server
07:04:10  <zgrillo2004> what...... o_O
07:04:16  <zgrillo2004> and so mibbit banned this IRC?
07:04:17  <planetmaker> not your fault, rather an issue between oftc.net and mibbit
07:04:22  <planetmaker> no, vice versa
07:04:28  <zgrillo2004> ah
07:04:34  <planetmaker> this irc doesn't allow connections from mibbit website
07:04:55  <zgrillo2004> well then I think that the chat link's irc interface should be changed to a different system
07:05:02  <zgrillo2004> im currently using Kiwi IRC
07:05:04  <planetmaker> as mibbit doesn't provide anti-spam measures the network asked them to implement
07:05:14  <zgrillo2004> ah
07:05:28  <zgrillo2004> like I said
07:05:33  <zgrillo2004> maybe KiwiIRC?
07:05:45  <peter1138> Which chat link is that?
07:05:51  <planetmaker> dunno which link you followed, so I can't answer that, zgrillo2004
07:05:52  <zgrillo2004> https://kiwiirc.com/client
07:05:56  <zgrillo2004> oh
07:05:58  <zgrillo2004> hold on
07:06:06  <zgrillo2004> http://www.tt-forums.net/chat.php
07:06:08  <zgrillo2004> this one
07:06:13  <zgrillo2004> it uses mibbit
07:06:36  <planetmaker> yeah, true. orudge still didn't change chat link from mibbit to something else it seems :-)
07:06:53  <zgrillo2004> I guess you need to harp him on doing that
07:07:05  <planetmaker> I guess i just did with that line :-P
07:07:17  <zgrillo2004> Harping?
07:07:49  <planetmaker> well. prodding
07:08:24  <peter1138> Hmm, I didn't think mibbit was Java.
07:08:46  <peter1138> The Java applet there doesn't work for me, though.
07:08:54  <Xaroth|Work> morning
07:09:11  <planetmaker> well. mibbit generally is blocked, so whatever is there, won't connect you here, peter1138
07:09:21  <planetmaker> it's a global ban on oftc.net
07:09:37  <planetmaker> hi Xaroth
07:09:39  <peter1138> Welcome to missing the point :p
07:09:46  <planetmaker> :-)
07:10:02  <peter1138> If it's a Java applet, it's probably not mibbit. But I can't tell, because the Java applet won't load.
07:10:52  <planetmaker> peter1138, it's mibbit, though
07:11:20  <planetmaker> even when it's java
07:11:34  <planetmaker> at least that applet tells me it's mibbit
07:12:25  <peter1138> Okay. Weird. Java should be able to connect from the local host...
07:12:36  <zgrillo2004> sorry for chaning the subject
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07:12:48  <zgrillo2004> but I signed up to a site called INFRA
07:12:53  <zgrillo2004> which makes GRFs
07:13:01  <planetmaker> lol
07:13:01  <zgrillo2004> thought not much activity is on there
07:13:12  <zgrillo2004> who are they
07:13:21  <planetmaker> zgrillo2004, http://dev.openttdcoop.org
07:13:26  <zgrillo2004> ???
07:13:41  <planetmaker> that's other people. But... more working, less talking ;-)
07:13:50  <zgrillo2004> yea
07:13:57  <zgrillo2004> but is IFRA a joke site or something?
07:14:01  <zgrillo2004> *Infra
07:14:12  <planetmaker> I prefer to not comment on that
07:14:16  <zgrillo2004> cause they havnt uploaded anything that they present
07:14:21  <zgrillo2004> why not
07:14:25  <zgrillo2004> I would like to know
07:14:32  <zgrillo2004> I dont know this community that much
07:14:40  <zgrillo2004> remember I just signed up to this forum
07:14:45  <planetmaker> you judge yourself. Your experience is my judgement
07:15:00  <zgrillo2004> well
07:15:10  <zgrillo2004> they seem to show off but dont release their GRFS
07:15:14  <zgrillo2004> I dont know
07:15:15  <planetmaker> ^^
07:15:23  <zgrillo2004> is that what they do?
07:15:27  <V453000> haha <3
07:15:44  <zgrillo2004> Oh
07:15:50  <zgrillo2004> its called Simuscape
07:15:56  <zgrillo2004> thats the sit ename
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07:16:30  <V453000> world of assholes is the motto :)
07:17:01  <planetmaker> keep it civil, V453000
07:17:13  <V453000> no why
07:17:18  <zgrillo2004> planet he maybe right
07:17:30  <zgrillo2004> thought im not sure about regulatings of cursing
07:17:36  <zgrillo2004> of sites like this
07:17:44  <zgrillo2004> I sually just say Damn or hell
07:21:01  <V453000> those words arent sufficiently descriptive in some cases :P
07:30:16  <zgrillo2004> Oi
07:30:34  <zgrillo2004> alright planet
07:30:36  <zgrillo2004> thanks for the help
07:30:52  <zgrillo2004> I have a big day tomorrow so im gonna go as well
07:30:57  <zgrillo2004> thanks again guys
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07:39:51  <V453000> also I enjoyed how he was wondering if it is a joke site XD
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07:45:22  <V453000> can GIMP export something like a .psd for photoshop?
07:47:14  <V453000> hm looks like somehow it sould
07:47:27  <planetmaker> it can at least read them
07:48:41  <planetmaker> seems it's also available in export options
07:48:53  <V453000> I pressed the magical export button but it looks like it froze :d
07:49:03  <Supercheese> my GIMP exports to .psd
07:49:49  <V453000> yay, finished :D
07:50:04  <V453000> everything was suspiciously grayed out in the process :D
07:50:30  <Supercheese> anyway, good night
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07:50:43  <V453000> bai
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10:42:44  <dihedral> oi
10:44:57  <planetmaker> o/
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11:55:00  <andythenorth> moin
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12:01:21  <roboboy> hello
12:04:15  <planetmaker> salut
12:17:10  <AndreasB> Hei hei :)
12:34:39  <__ln__> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41c03P3wR8L._SS500_.jpg
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13:54:45  <LordAro> /o
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14:41:42  <__ln__> http://www.nasa.gov
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14:42:33  <SpComb> :D
14:43:04  <LordAro> that's... not how webspace funding works...
14:43:13  <peter1138> ;)
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14:46:29  <SpComb> perhaps if their production support personell is out, noone to respond to things breaking
14:47:20  <planetmaker> do I miss something on the nasa site?
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14:47:57  <planetmaker> tweet column?
14:48:25  <SpComb> < HTTP/1.0 302 Found
14:48:25  <SpComb> < Location: http://notice.usa.gov
14:48:41  <SpComb> www.nasa.gov is an alias for publicredirects.ksc.nasa.gov.
14:50:11  <planetmaker> not for me
14:52:00  <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/272444
14:52:58  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you're privileged
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14:54:37  <planetmaker> I doubt that.
14:54:40  <peter1138> http://i.imgur.com/iKM977z.png
14:54:56  <planetmaker> well, yes. that's not www.nasa.gov :-)
14:55:05  <peter1138> Redirect-fu...
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14:59:50  <planetmaker> anyway, I can't remember to have seen such folly in politics in a loooong time
15:00:15  <planetmaker> "how to ruin a country in three steps" could learn from this, I guess.
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15:20:43  <Eddi|zuHause> "Windows Phone (8.8%, +5.0) closing up on iOS (9.5%, -1.6) market share in Germany"
15:22:10  <Eddi|zuHause> "Data based on interviews with consumers, excluding major company deals"
15:23:21  <SpComb> iOS having a 9.5% market share?
15:23:25  <SpComb> market share in what :)
15:26:18  <peter1138> I have a bit of Cisco IOS...
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15:45:28  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: share in sold smartphones
15:48:42  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: there's also the android figure of 78.8%, +0.0 :)
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16:47:01  <DanMacK> Hey all
16:47:07  <Alberth> hi hi
16:47:43  <DanMacK> \o
16:48:28  <planetmaker> ho
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17:13:14  <Alberth> hi hi
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17:19:04  <andythenorth> ho ho he gone :P
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17:19:18  <DanMacK> Hey all
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17:45:16  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25802 trunk/src/lang/polish.txt (2013-10-01 17:45:10 UTC)
17:45:17  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:18  <DorpsGek> polish - 7 changes by joziowicz
17:46:41  <planetmaker> that guy is fast. He got translator access like 1 hour ago at most
17:47:06  <planetmaker> hm. two hours :-P
17:52:15  <Alberth> @calc 3993/7 * 2 / 24.0
17:52:15  <DorpsGek> Alberth: 47.5357142857
17:53:18  <planetmaker> :D
17:56:04  <Alberth> oh all wrong, polish is almost complete :)
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18:36:26  <Wolf01> 'llo
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18:38:54  <Wolf01> hi Eddi
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19:05:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> this looks totally weird, the backlog on this computer is from almost exactly 3 years ago
19:06:33  <frosch123> what year do you have?
19:06:49  <frosch123> here, it's 2013
19:06:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> i need a program that joins logfiles based on timestamps :)
19:08:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but the last lines from the log are:
19:08:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> [Samstag, 9. Oktober 2010] [10:46:26] <xiong> I'll try that, too, Rubidium. I'm trying several different approaches -- this folder, that folder, zipped, unzipped, in a folder, loose, etc.
19:08:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> [Samstag, 9. Oktober 2010] [10:47:45] <xiong> Bingo on installing OpenGFX, unzipped, into /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ -- FWIW.
19:09:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> but actually i needed this computer to boot windows, which didn't work, and then i strayed :/
19:10:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> windows starts to boot properly, but stops towards the end somewhere, and safe mode the same way...
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19:12:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> and the newer kde4 has extremely slow response time when switching windows
19:12:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> and there i strayed again :)
19:15:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> it feels like it has zero 2D acceleration
19:16:46  <frosch123> select a different gui schema
19:22:56  <frosch123> one without round edges
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20:13:17  <NGC3982> Wat.
20:14:01  <Supercheese> Watt.
20:14:23  <NGC3982> Tesla much?
20:15:02  <Supercheese> Joule see what I mean.
20:16:00  <NGC3982> How coulomb of you.
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20:16:19  <planetmaker> Maxwell soon
20:16:50  <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25803 /trunk (bin/baseset/orig_dos.obg src/vehicle_gui.cpp) (2013-10-01 20:16:44 UTC)
20:16:51  <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#5738]: Draw start/stop graphics of the vehicle bar at the right place in rtl mode (adf88).
20:19:06  <Supercheese> I Gauss so...
20:22:44  <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25804 trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp (2013-10-01 20:22:38 UTC)
20:22:45  <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#5739]: Lower sprite and text at the vehicle bar if it is pressed (adf88).
20:23:44  <frosch123> Alberth: what are you doing? :o
20:23:50  <frosch123> is committing the new trend? :p
20:24:08  <planetmaker> fighting the tide :)
20:24:17  <LordAro> did you mean to commit that translation? :L http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/c2043d650dd2
20:24:42  <planetmaker> probably not. But not hurtful either
20:24:55  <planetmaker> need be done occasionally
20:25:01  <frosch123> planetmaker: well, i was kind of amused that ottd commits stopped just when ttdp started again
20:25:10  <planetmaker> :D
20:25:25  <LordAro> you guys aren't working hard enough :p
20:25:29  <Alberth> where does that line come from?
20:25:47  <planetmaker> Alberth, from the update to base translation. which is NOT in the obg files but only lang
20:26:01  <frosch123> LordAro: they are auto generated
20:26:04  <frosch123> but not auto committed
20:26:14  <LordAro> ah
20:26:39  <Alberth> ah, right
20:26:46  <frosch123> it's one of those grey area where you commit generated files to simplify build dependencies for others
20:26:47  <LordAro> shouldn't they be generated on compilation, rather than commit?
20:27:01  <LordAro> right :)
20:27:09  <Alberth> frosch123: perhaps ttdp is stopped again? :)
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20:27:12  <frosch123> like we do not require gawk to generate the script wrappers
20:27:13  <planetmaker> yes. But then grfcodec would become a build dependency. Currently it's only recommended
20:27:21  <planetmaker> and needed after maintainer-clean but not clean
20:27:40  <LordAro> fair enough :)
20:27:44  * LordAro -> out
20:27:53  <LordAro> laters, all
20:27:58  <Alberth> bye bye :)
20:27:59  <planetmaker> bye, LordAro
20:28:29  * LordAro stays online to make sure no one says mean things about him :p
20:28:33  * LordAro waves
20:29:25  <Alberth> just admit you're too curious what is said here :)
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20:35:12  <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25805 trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp (2013-10-01 20:35:06 UTC)
20:35:13  <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#5740]: Ensure the vehicle bar is high enough for the start/stop vehicle graphics (adf88).
20:40:14  * Alberth apologizes for any confusion that the DorpsGek messages may have caused
20:42:34  <frosch123> as long as you do not commit lordaro's patch, it's all fine :p
20:43:01  * frosch123 was waiting for a chance for a pun
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20:44:11  <NGC3982> Don't be such a Röntgen.
20:44:18  <NGC3982> Oh, we've stopped.
20:44:19  <NGC3982> :(
20:44:57  <Alberth> did anyone consider subsidies in the light of cargo-dist?  (FS#5766)
20:45:33  <frosch123> Alberth: i think noone ever thought about that :)
20:46:06  <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/LO4yypb.png
20:47:08  <planetmaker> I guess not, yes
20:47:14  <planetmaker> probably a genuine omission
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20:47:28  <planetmaker> I checked, the bug is real
20:47:38  <frosch123> subsidies are not exactly a popular feature
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20:48:02  <Alberth> something for the todo list?
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20:49:53  <frosch123> if it's a bug, it belongs on fs, not on the todo list
20:50:12  <frosch123> todo list is for fancy new stuff
20:50:25  <frosch123> we only were desperate enough to also mention osx there :p
20:51:02  <frosch123> anyway, i did not look at the issue, so i do not exactly know what it's abuot
20:51:34  <frosch123> but if it needs discussion how subsidies should interact with cargodist at all, it might make sense to carry it to the forums
20:51:52  <Alberth> basically, subsidies and cargo-dist have different ideas how passengers get moved
20:52:19  <Alberth> so you get subsidies with very little pax and vv
20:52:42  <Alberth> the reporter wanted to get money for pax that transferred at the destination
20:52:45  <frosch123> well, ideally it should suggest a route which would generate a lot of pax then
20:53:18  <frosch123> but ok, we could also just pay for transfers
20:53:37  <frosch123> though that might be quite imbalanced when not using cdist :po
20:54:09  <Alberth> what about pax that travel through the station without switching to another train?
20:55:03  <Alberth> I'd say you want to pay only for pax that actually go to the destination, or the meaning gets very blurry
20:55:09  <frosch123> hmm, actually... i have no idea what part of the travel should be subsidises for transfers
20:55:38  <frosch123> if you transport a->b->c->d and b->c is subsidised
20:55:44  <frosch123> but only a->d distance defiens the income
20:56:06  <Alberth> or subsidize c->d and get a negative income :p
20:56:06  <frosch123> and transporting stuff just via b->c, even if they are nowhere on the route a->d ...
20:56:47  <frosch123> yeah, i am pretty lost on what is the right thing
20:57:10  <frosch123> so, if someone can word the problem in an easy way, forums may help
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21:26:46  <__ln__> salvete
21:27:50  <frosch123> hugh
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21:34:29  <Supercheese> Heus
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21:38:49  <__ln__> etiam salve, caesus magnus
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21:48:42  <Caseus_Maximus> Optime
21:49:07  <planetmaker> Valete
21:49:27  <Caseus_Maximus> atque vale
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21:53:59  <frosch123> eus appellantur logaithmum naturalis
21:54:43  <Caseus_Maximus> :)
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22:00:47  <Eddi|zuHause> Gesundheit
22:01:39  *** frosch123 is now known as rana123
22:01:41  <rana123> noctem
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22:02:21  <__ln__> an "ranaCXXII"?
22:02:42  <__ln__> +I
22:05:03  <Caseus_Maximus> Cura te ipsum; sed si occasio est tibi mutandi in unicornem, eam carpe.
22:05:35  <Caseus_Maximus> (smashing rule -3 here, beg pardon)
22:07:25  <__ln__> according to google translate, 'ipsum' is 'football', which i might strongly doubt.
22:07:31  <Caseus_Maximus> hahaha
22:07:40  <Caseus_Maximus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_te_ipsum
22:08:00  <Caseus_Maximus> Where on earth did they get football
22:09:14  <Caseus_Maximus> It's not quite 'be yourself', but meh
22:09:36  <__ln__> football is there twice: http://low.fi/~viznut/loremipsum-google.txt
22:09:48  <Caseus_Maximus> O_o
22:10:21  <Caseus_Maximus> Perhaps more of "esto te ipsum"
22:10:48  <glx> __ln__: the joy of automatic translations :)
22:10:57  <Prof_Frink> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
22:11:38  <Caseus_Maximus> Sane ;)
22:13:50  <Caseus_Maximus> The problem there is lorem ipsum is not Latin
22:14:54  <glx> it just looks latin
22:20:12  <__ln__> are numbers 0-9 appropriate in latin text, or should they be I V X L C M?  especially in openttd.
22:20:40  <Caseus_Maximus> Nolo legere numeros Romanos
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22:23:40  <Caseus_Maximus> https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:De_orthographia#Numerorum_usus
22:26:18  <__ln__> gratias
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22:42:09  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:58:17  <Eddi|zuHause> roman numerals can't cover 64 bit integers :)
23:58:56  <Tulitomaatti> whynot? (except for zero?)
23:59:56  <Tulitomaatti> ...just that i agree that any sensible representation probably fails after... what do they have? I V X L C M? anything higher than M?
23:59:57  <Eddi|zuHause> even if you allow multiple use of the numeral for 100.000, you run out of screen space :)

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