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Thanks a lot :-) 06:47:29 <planetmaker> ich's exactly what I was hoping for 06:47:34 <planetmaker> *it's 06:48:49 <V453000> cool 06:49:45 <V453000> though they are only flatbed 06:50:32 <V453000> hoppers could be easy to get from the heaps on wagons, but tankers would be quite tough :) got no barrels or such, esp not barrels with varying colours 06:50:34 <planetmaker> yeah. But other cargos hardly show up :-) 06:50:55 <V453000> mostly, no, in nuts, always 06:51:02 <V453000> cargoes not showing up is boring :( 06:51:08 <planetmaker> ^ quite 06:51:28 <planetmaker> but there it then needs variations in wagons somehow 06:51:35 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/repository/entry/gfx/CHAMELEONtanker.png those would be very easy to extract 06:52:35 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/SHIP_HOPPER.png and heaps 06:53:01 <planetmaker> yeah, true. Hoppers, too 06:53:09 <planetmaker> :-) 06:55:47 <V453000> the only problem with those 3 could be that the hoppers probably are smaller as it is only a small heap 06:56:32 <V453000> so perhaps it would make more sense to use flatbed cargoes from some other flatbed I have in the repo :) 06:56:35 <planetmaker> well, yeah. But as explained yesterday, I only want one cargo icon to toy with it for some GUI buttons... so vehicle size is not of interest for me here :-) 06:56:53 <V453000> oh, one :) 06:57:03 <planetmaker> well. or two or three 06:57:12 <planetmaker> or 5 or 7:D 06:57:17 <V453000> I got a couple more than that :D should be ok 06:57:22 <planetmaker> will need to see how it goes :-) 06:57:29 <V453000> ayez 06:57:39 <V453000> also we found a funny bug :D 06:57:44 <planetmaker> oh? 06:57:59 <V453000> if basecosts track purchase is at 0, rail conversion fails due to having no tracks to replace :D 06:58:09 <V453000> I dont think it happens always, but definitely does with purr XD 06:58:41 <planetmaker> you mean if building tracks is something which costs no money? 06:58:56 <V453000> I guess 06:59:27 <V453000> frog sez that the convert tool checks for total price, if 0, then it throws no track to replace error :D 06:59:48 <planetmaker> that's my guess, too 07:01:28 <V453000> will try to reproduce and eventually report in the evening :D 07:02:45 <planetmaker> :-) 07:04:03 <V453000> also, purr will get friends :P 07:04:14 <V453000> -> meow 07:04:21 <planetmaker> lol. What will be meow? 07:04:33 <V453000> special train class friendly with purr 07:05:16 <V453000> trains which change stats based on colour of purr, something like red +speed, blue +power, yellow +TE, green +bit of each 07:05:27 <V453000> basically adds a whole new dimension of thinking to building 07:05:49 <planetmaker> will that be in NUTS or separate? 07:05:55 <V453000> in nuts of course 07:06:16 <V453000> the effect will just not apply when purr isnt loaded 07:06:18 <planetmaker> ah, I thought separate as you said 'purr will get friends' :-) 07:06:27 <V453000> ah, well ye :P 07:06:53 <planetmaker> and was about to suggest to put it into NUTS :-) 07:07:12 <V453000> I was considering to even move purr to nuts 07:07:13 <V453000> but hm 07:07:17 <planetmaker> nah 07:07:27 <planetmaker> no point really 07:07:51 <V453000> most people load both things anyway 07:08:02 <planetmaker> yes, still :-) 07:08:59 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-133.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:09:31 <planetmaker> thinking of it this way it actually *might* even make sense to meow separately. But well. 07:10:15 <planetmaker> As long as NUTS keeps its usefulness w/o PURR it doesn't matter, I guess :-) 07:11:15 <V453000> I dislike having to load many newGRFs 07:11:19 <V453000> one, done 07:11:34 <V453000> so 1 for vehicles and 1 for tracks sounds best to me 07:12:14 <V453000> twould soon be nuts, purr, meow, mooo, duck, farm, asdf, YAWTF, mine, chipnuts, ... 07:12:34 <planetmaker> I like one for each 'concept'/'idea'/'feature' (each of those words can be mis-understood and is up to interpretation, so...) 07:12:35 <V453000> the list would get long :P 07:12:44 <planetmaker> yeah 07:12:50 <V453000> yeah well problem is when different features interact :P 07:12:52 <V453000> e.g. wetrails 07:12:57 <planetmaker> well. yes 07:13:25 <planetmaker> it's not a black&white thing. But that's why you can check for other NewGRFs :-) 07:13:27 <V453000> though e.g. canadian stations influencing snow line is total wtf 07:16:16 <planetmaker> That's about the point: It need remain intuitive what a NewGRF will give you. And not influence / add stuff which is unexpected 07:16:48 <V453000> yarr 07:16:56 <V453000> -> every newGRF should add slugs 07:17:05 <planetmaker> And thinking of people liking different things, it's good to split big things so that people with different ideas possibly could cherry-pick the modules they like. But the modules need remain reasonably in size. Or it's hell 07:17:28 <planetmaker> we don't want to add each vehicle, tree and landscape tile separately, either :-) 07:17:53 <V453000> points to ecs :) 07:18:39 <V453000> tbh splitting big things should be done through parameters 07:18:51 <planetmaker> Well... the idea to separate that is not bad. But I guess with industries it's quite hard. And its requirement to make some things in certain order is not always helpful 07:19:00 <planetmaker> nah, really depends 07:19:01 <V453000> parameters are extra effort for setting up, but the default is done by 1 click of adding the newgrf 07:19:58 <planetmaker> with industries I'd do it with parameters. rails + trains I'd always do separately in NewGRFs. Also it makes e.g. no sense to combine HEQS with another vehicle grf. It's just a separate idea 07:21:09 <V453000> well of course, separate that much, yeah 07:21:31 <V453000> was talking more like about e.g. if each train class of nuts had its own newgrf, or idk, cargo/pax trains had one 07:21:39 <V453000> like newGRFs which fit together 07:22:52 <planetmaker> no, that'd be nUtS of course ;-) 07:23:16 <V453000> mhm :) 07:26:16 <Supercheese> 'night 07:26:26 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.159.76] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 07:35:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:42:12 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:34 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has joined #openttd 07:43:06 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:44:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:59:05 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has joined #openttd 08:05:47 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:19 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:08:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:42:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:46:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C450.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:30 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5dbc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:23 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 09:27:53 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:00 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD987.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:33 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 10:32:10 <NGC3982> Morning. 10:46:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:02 <__ln__> technically yes, if you are in denial of the daylight saving time. 10:51:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 10:57:24 <peter1139> 1057 UTC 11:00:15 <V453000> 666 11:52:39 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 12:03:48 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.139.149] has joined #openttd 12:18:40 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 12:30:32 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:54:50 *** Pecio [~fgh@drk102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:19:14 <Belugas> hello 13:25:18 <frosch123> morning canada! 13:26:37 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-79-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:55 <Malinux-> is there a way to get a higher rating than 67% with oil tankers? 13:33:22 <frosch123> buy a statue 13:33:26 <frosch123> buy smaller faster tankers 13:44:45 <Malinux-> I can't get faster tanker than the one with max speed of 40Km/h 13:46:45 <Malinux-> * a faster 13:46:56 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:47:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:49 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:06 <Xaroth|Work> always have a tanker loading? 13:51:28 <V453000> use proper vehicles (trains)? :) 13:53:10 <frosch123> hmm, some yogscast member started a ottd let's play series 13:53:38 <frosch123> increasing downloadrate since 2013-09-20 13:54:33 <Malinux-> Xaroth|Work: I have several tankers waiting ;) 13:55:10 <Malinux-> V453000: Don't think train is useful in the ocean 13:55:14 <Malinux-> *trains 13:55:33 <Xaroth|Work> depends on how much money you have to spend tbqfh 13:56:56 <V453000> looks useful enough to me 13:58:27 <Malinux-> Xaroth|Work: fair enough, but it looks ugly with a trainline out to a oil rig 13:59:09 <V453000> and a good reason to use oil wells instead 14:00:28 <Belugas> canada (i'd say Quebec but whatever...) salutes yu back sir frosch123 :) 14:00:57 <frosch123> oh right, quebec! 14:01:07 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:23 <Belugas> well... don't formalize yurself, it's just an internal matter ;) 14:01:36 <frosch123> someone compared the voting results from east and west germany, noting the difference after 23 years of reunification 14:01:51 <frosch123> someone else mentioned the difference of canadian vorting results compared to quebec, after 150 years :p 14:02:41 <frosch123> (relativating the relevance of 23 years :p) 14:03:00 <Malinux-> Xaroth|Work: Anyhow. Your answeer dosen't answeer my question :) sure it's possible to build a train line out to a oil-rig. 14:05:25 <Malinux-> that's more of a work around 14:18:43 <peter1139> answeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer 14:19:53 <Malinux-> peter1139: I don't think you can demand an answer like that :) 14:21:04 <frosch123> depends on the dose 14:23:25 *** DanMacK [~453f3eb5@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:23:33 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:24:54 <Malinux-> frosch123: oki :) 14:28:04 <Pinkbeast> frosch123: Or England and Scotland, 350-odd years after King James I and VI 14:28:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 14:45:25 <Belugas> frosch123, the more years passing, obviously, the less differences in the voting. The separatist feeling is shrinking since peple start to realize there is nothing to gain, apart a national pride that does not bring any food to the table. All in all, the only ones who would gain anything are the politicians, and they are not lasting 23 years ;) 14:47:50 <Belugas> and thanks to today's access t inernet, i can correct all that i did wrong at the time hehehe 14:49:34 <frosch123> hmm? is there more bandwith for canada since us powered off? 14:49:50 <frosch123> s/canada/quebec/ 15:09:29 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:28:06 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 15:32:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:09 <peter1139> Hmm, quite a few 7:3 monitors around now... 15:37:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:14 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:20 <frosch123> mine is 11:3 15:40:30 <frosch123> what nonsense :p 15:44:09 <V453000> wtf 15:47:36 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:47:51 <Belugas> frosch123: i wrote the last part on the wrong channel :( sorry 15:48:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a83-160-53-141.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:02 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has joined #openttd 16:08:46 <peter1139> That CyberClean stuff... 16:08:49 <peter1139> http://imgur.com/6J1i0PS 16:20:50 *** DanMacK [~453f3eb5@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a83-160-53-141.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:28:15 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:31 *** cyph3r [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:47:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25809 trunk/src/script/api/script_event_types.cpp (2013-10-03 16:47:24 UTC) 16:47:32 <DorpsGek> -Fix: [Script] Decoding JSON data with an empty array from Admin port failed 16:56:11 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.159.76] has joined #openttd 16:57:56 *** permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has joined #openttd 17:01:52 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:06:31 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has joined #openttd 17:07:55 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:45:29 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25810 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-10-03 17:45:20 UTC) 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:31 <DorpsGek> czech - 2 changes by retro 17:45:32 <DorpsGek> korean - 5 changes by telk5093 17:45:33 <DorpsGek> portuguese - 106 changes by vesgo 17:49:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:12:48 *** The_Dude [~Miranda@ip-213-220-219-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:13:21 *** TheDude is now known as Guest1206 18:13:21 *** The_Dude is now known as TheDude 18:20:53 <V453000> in what form does the website URL for bananas needs to be? 18:20:58 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki 18:21:00 <V453000> seems broken 18:21:43 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/asdfffffffff.png :| 18:22:36 <Supercheese> Isn't that the website embedded in the newgrf, not Bananas? 18:22:38 <Rubidium> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action14#GRF_website_.28.22INFO.22_-.3E_.22URL_.22.29 18:22:58 <Supercheese> name : string(STR_GRF_NAME); 18:22:59 <Rubidium> V453000: ^ ought to give you clues why it is broken there 18:23:00 <Supercheese> desc : string(STR_GRF_DESCRIPTION); 18:23:01 <V453000> o_O 18:23:01 <Supercheese> url : string(STR_GRF_WEBSITE); 18:23:05 <Supercheese> the URL? 18:23:22 <V453000> does NML have that? 18:23:49 <V453000> does 18:23:51 <Supercheese> just like I copy/pasted 18:23:51 <V453000> :) 18:25:30 <V453000> thanks guys :) 18:26:44 <Supercheese> libenter 18:28:43 <Zuu> Supercheese: The URL is both given in the bananas entry and in the content itself. 18:29:11 <Supercheese> Zuu: yes, but the Visit Website button in the linked image is the embedded-in-grf version 18:29:30 <Zuu> The URL given in the bananas entry is used for the download content dialog. The URL in the content itself is used when you work with actual downloaded content. 18:29:47 <Supercheese> Indeed 18:48:12 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:31 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has joined #openttd 18:54:28 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:55:17 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:39 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:02 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has joined #openttd 19:25:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:53 <Wolf01> hi hi 19:28:49 <Alberth> o/ 19:31:20 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:35:59 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:28 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 19:41:23 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.135.26] has joined #openttd 19:44:57 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 19:55:48 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 19:56:20 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:57:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:47 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:14 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has joined #openttd 20:43:20 *** tparker [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:44:35 *** tparker [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:00 <__ln__> who is in charge of the configure script? 20:47:01 <Alberth> nobody 20:48:45 <__ln__> i would like to ask nobody what this is supposed to mean in --help: "--with-liblzma[=liblzma.a] enables liblzma support" 20:49:22 <frosch123> i have been wondering about that for the past 5 years 20:49:30 <frosch123> never figured it out, but it usually works anyway 20:50:45 * Zuu just released yet another GS that for the change doesn't do anything on its own but allows Admin Port clients to remote control the GS 20:50:46 <__ln__> as far as i can see, it is not expecting a path to liblzma.a as the =parameter... rather it is expecting some kind of an executable that returns the proper paths given proper arguments. 20:51:13 <frosch123> yes, some script which is compatible to pkg-config 20:51:22 <frosch123> but prints more useful stuff than pgk-config usually does 20:51:34 <frosch123> sometimes pkg-config just reports non-sense 20:52:00 <__ln__> so why the "[=liblzma.a]"? i demand an answer from nobody! 20:52:25 <scshunt> __ln__: it means you can tell it that the library has a different name 20:52:53 <__ln__> scshunt: no it doesn't 20:53:18 <frosch123> __ln__: it does mean that, it's just lieing 20:54:18 <__ln__> i don't like configure scripts that are lying 20:56:27 <Alberth> it suggests a perhaps usable name? 20:58:10 * andythenorth watches the Gromit auction 20:59:21 <andythenorth> Gromit Lightyear selling for about £70k 20:59:26 <__ln__> Alberth: whatever is given after the '=' the script will try to execute. static libs are not executable. 21:00:52 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:04:27 <glx> inside [] is the default value IIRC 21:06:02 <__ln__> well fair enough, that's what i also agree it is *supposed to mean*. however, it obviously doesn't mean that. 21:06:22 <peter1139> It's pretty pointless as it stands. 21:09:16 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:09:17 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: obviously you aren't supposed to type the [] 21:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: [] means you can leave this part out 21:10:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:11:44 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: but i can't because OS X doesn't come with liblzma 21:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: --without-liblzma? 21:12:57 <frosch123> maybe just switch to steamos? 21:15:15 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: then i can't load some stuff like savegames. but the real point is, the help text in my opinion implies you could provide a path to liblzma.a, but that is not the case. if you enter --with-liblzma=/blabla/liblzma.a, the script will attempt to execute /blabla/liblzma.a and fail. 21:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, weird 21:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ask TrueBrain? 21:16:57 <glx> or ask the one that added it to config.lib 21:17:07 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: it's the same issue with all config options 21:17:17 <frosch123> but i never had a clue what to really put there :) 21:18:07 <peter1139> Really it should be a base path to the library/includes... 21:19:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.175.13] has joined #openttd 21:26:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C450.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:29:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:16 <__ln__> @seen TrueBrain 21:36:16 <DorpsGek> __ln__: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 25 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> GPL should only be used on code, nothing else :) 21:37:18 <Supercheese> No GPL graphics? Odd... 21:37:32 * Supercheese doubts he was being serious, of course. 21:37:51 <TrueBrain> Graphics should NEVER be licensed under GPL 21:37:56 <TrueBrain> so no, I was rather serious 21:37:57 <TrueBrain> sorry :) 21:38:02 <Supercheese> well 21:38:08 <Supercheese> too bad for OpenGFX then 21:38:25 <Supercheese> and numerous grfs 21:38:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but that wasn'T the actual question ) 21:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 21:39:08 <frosch123> is tb licensed under gpl 21:39:11 <frosch123> can we patch him? 21:39:20 <TrueBrain> you can patch me any dy ;) 21:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the question was what is this nonsense in configure supposed to mean :) 21:40:21 <frosch123> that's a useless question 21:40:30 <frosch123> you should rather ask what there should be instead 21:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is whether we want to change the behaviour or the help text 21:44:12 <__ln__> i vote for changing the behaviour, because there cannot be assumed to be a pkg-config nor a pkg-config compatible script to run for a particular library on a particular platform. 21:44:25 <frosch123> good luck with that 21:44:32 <frosch123> you need at least path to lib and path to include 21:44:37 <frosch123> sometimes also cflags 21:44:41 <frosch123> and version info 21:44:41 <__ln__> i know, i know 21:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and today's earworm sponsored by www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AWS8IcJPvE 21:46:40 <__ln__> frosch123: so both options have drawbacks. 21:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> "--with-library=path:/blah,include:/blah,cflags:blah"? 21:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "--with-library=pkg-config:/blah"? 21:48:41 <__ln__> i don't see how that would be more difficult than writing a script for returning those. 21:52:12 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea, but i thought we were trying to find a solution 21:53:20 <__ln__> yes, and i was supporting your proposal and questioning frosch's doubts about it being impossible. 21:56:36 <__ln__> so does anyone actually currently give a parametre to --with-liblzma anyway? (except for myself). 21:57:15 <frosch123> distros if any 21:57:23 <frosch123> and they are most likely to have a script 21:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't know, but my proposal could be made backwards compatible by checking whether there is : in it, and give a deprecated warning 21:57:26 <Zuu> Oh the custom bridge head patch is only 34977 lines long :-) 21:57:45 <Supercheese> only 21:58:30 <Zuu> I wonder why it is that long 21:59:21 *** TheDude [~Miranda@ip-213-220-219-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: contains "new map array" with potentially huge refactorings 22:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: i'm fairly sure there are smaller steps in there :) 22:00:39 <Supercheese> He has a patch queue 22:00:51 <Supercheese> ehm, somewhere at least 22:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like he never wrote a patch before... 22:02:07 <Zuu> Yep, I'd not be surprised if he got a patch queue somewhere. 22:03:09 <Supercheese> seems like he didn't post the queue for recent revisions 22:03:25 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=58420&start=140#p1072130 has one with 401 patches 22:06:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:08:28 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:27 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@100.231.90.146.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:24 <frosch123> night 22:18:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5dbc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:25:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.175.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:08 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.103.188] has joined #openttd 22:39:30 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:39:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:55:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:58:00 *** pure [~pure@192.241.171.112] has joined #openttd 22:58:04 <pure> Hello! 22:58:22 <pure> Is there anything currently in the game for sharing infrastructure? 23:00:01 <Supercheese> Not in trunk, but There's a Patch for That⢠23:03:22 <pure> Out of interest, can you set someone else's station as a destination? 23:03:36 <Supercheese> Probably, when using the IS patch 23:04:41 <pure> But not in vanilla? 23:04:47 <Supercheese> no 23:05:17 <pure> I'm tempted to start an OTTD server, but not sure if people will want to mess around with patches and stuff 23:05:20 <Supercheese> only time something like that can work is with oilfields/fishing grounds 23:05:33 <Supercheese> then, since they are not owned by anyone, any company can send vehicles there 23:06:37 <pure> Fishing grounds?! 23:06:44 <pure> I haven't played OTTD in ages >_> 23:06:57 <Supercheese> Those come from newgrfs 23:07:01 <pure> Aaah 23:07:11 <Supercheese> FIRS / ECS 23:07:12 <pure> Was thinking it might just be 'cus I only play temperate. 23:07:22 <pure> Do you still need newgrf for trams? 23:07:25 <Supercheese> yep 23:07:35 <Supercheese> although if planetmaker has his way, that may change :) 23:07:44 <pure> opengfx? 23:08:01 <Supercheese> what of it? 23:08:08 <pure> I mean, opengfx trams 23:08:21 <pure> I suppose I could build ottd and distribute the binary. 23:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause> don't bother with patches unless you have a very close circle of friends playing 23:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause> even with newgrfs, the servers that use them are more empty than others. 23:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i think because once people start using newgrfs they have their own special opinion on which ones are good, and then servers always use a "bad" one 23:27:10 *** fjb is now known as Guest1244 23:27:12 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:34:05 *** Guest1244 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:18 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-133.york.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:37 *** AndreasB [andreas@80.64.200.25] has quit [] 23:42:27 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.97.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:23 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.101.39] has joined #openttd 23:49:37 *** cyph3r [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:55:59 *** cyph3r [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd