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01:23:08  <Snail> hey guys... any OTTD developer there?
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02:22:25  <Flygon> It seems a lot of peeps are sleeping
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04:14:53  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i assume by "the CFR" he doesn't mean the romanian railways, what does he mean there?
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11:27:17  <AndreasB> Why doesnt save_config save the config?
11:27:39  <V453000> because it is evil
11:28:15  <AndreasB> I think so too
11:28:40  <AndreasB> but V453000, can you confirm that I manually need to edit a copy of the config, stop server, replace con fig, and start it? o.O
11:28:53  <V453000> no
11:29:42  <AndreasB> But it doesnt save the config o.O
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11:41:54  <AndreasB> Ok, all my primaries start with same amount.. Where did I go wrong? haha
11:42:35  <AndreasB> (etc all coal has 120)
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13:00:03  <Hendikins> Am I the only one who finds people joining a multiplayer game late in the piece and begging for money annoying? And am I mean for ignoring such begging?
13:09:01  <peter1139> Yes. Nobody else plays this game.
13:09:29  <Belugas> hello
13:17:49  <V453000> I think it is easier to just send them money and not care :)
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14:19:12  <Eddi|zuHause> is it a wolf-ox or a wo(o)l-fox? :p
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14:22:29  <zydeco> so I was making a patch that enables vehicles to run on the other side of the road in certain areas that can be defined for the map
14:22:48  <zydeco> where's the best place to store the data in saves? a new chunk?
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14:44:12  <Eddi|zuHause> depends on how much data it is
14:44:19  <Eddi|zuHause> and how you define it
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17:17:23  <Wolf01> hello
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17:27:26  <andythenorth_> O/
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17:46:02  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25824 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-10-07 17:45:49 UTC)
17:46:03  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:04  <DorpsGek> croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne
17:46:05  <DorpsGek> french - 9 changes by glx
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17:46:08  <DorpsGek> russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf
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18:55:55  <andythenorth> bonsoir
18:57:57  <Alberth> hi hi
18:59:44  <Rubidium> bonjour
19:00:48  * andythenorth is having design paralysis :P
19:01:30  <andythenorth> I have to recode Iron Horse to accomodate 10/8 long trains
19:01:44  <andythenorth> or articulated vehicles which might contain 10/8 or 9/8 'vehicles'
19:01:50  <andythenorth> e.g. tender locomotives, etc
19:03:24  <andythenorth> I could do it 'properly' and work out the minimum number of vehicles required
19:03:37  <andythenorth> e.g. 10/8 = 2/8 and 8/8 or such
19:03:53  <andythenorth> but I want to do it wrong, and just use n 1/8 long vehicles
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19:45:09  <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=454230&nseq=71
19:52:01  <V453000> no wetrail, 0/10
19:53:27  <andythenorth> V453000: how long are your shortest trains?
19:54:06  <V453000> 4/8
19:54:12  <Alberth> they are too fast to measure accurately :)
19:54:13  <Rubidium> doesn't look like an economically viable train
19:54:56  <andythenorth> V453000: I am considering something made up of 1/8 units
19:54:59  <andythenorth> dunno what it does
19:55:14  <andythenorth> but if it goes superfast, it will look awesome going round lots of corners
19:55:21  <V453000> thats surely nice, but in my opinion it should always sell in 8/8 consists
19:55:35  <V453000> be sold*
19:55:50  <andythenorth> I am not serious about it for a set
19:55:56  <andythenorth> I just think it will look neat :P
19:56:00  <V453000> -> if 1/8, I would do 7 articualted parts
19:56:05  <V453000> doesnt matter if serious or not :)
19:56:09  <andythenorth> like the day I screwed up HEQS, and made a 256 part bulldozer :P
19:56:17  <Supercheese> Many 1/8 units... going superfast... are you sure this is not RCT? :P
19:56:50  <Supercheese> Roller Coaster newgrf
19:57:36  <LordAro> http://freerct.org obligatory plug
19:59:51  <frosch123> you are lagging behind
20:00:11  <frosch123> i think at this age psim1 already had the third homepage
20:00:16  <__ln__> wtf kind of line length are they using for the GPL header? http://code.google.com/p/freerct/source/browse/trunk/src/coaster_gui.cpp
20:01:31  <LordAro> length-of-sentence length
20:01:44  <frosch123> they stole that from ottd obviously
20:01:51  <LordAro> also, they = Alberth ;)
20:02:01  <frosch123> anyway, it's the only usable line length
20:03:41  <frosch123> hmm, do we have an Intermediate widget in ottd?
20:04:04  <V453000> wtf is intermediate widget?
20:04:14  <V453000> presignals and eol? :P
20:04:50  <LordAro> frosch123: no, iirc. the widget system is slightly different to OTTD
20:05:00  <frosch123> V453000: well, assume there were two games, with widgets systems programmed by the same gui
20:05:10  <frosch123> you obviously wonder about the things which are different
20:05:21  <V453000> ok wtf is a widget XD
20:05:41  <frosch123> hmm, "override"... are you using c++11 ?
20:05:43  <planetmaker> hello
20:06:09  <LordAro> yup :)
20:06:18  <LordAro> not fully (yet >:) )
20:06:19  <__ln__> that's good
20:06:48  <planetmaker> V453000, a widget is a GUI element. where an element can consist of further elements
20:06:50  <frosch123> yeah, pascal features from 1993 finally making it into c++ :)
20:07:03  <frosch123> hmm, 1993... maybe even 1990
20:07:09  <V453000> element of elements inside elements
20:07:11  <V453000> good :D
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20:07:29  <frosch123> widget = window gadget
20:07:43  <Tulitomaatti> mind_blown
20:08:36  <__ln__> stroustrup says he had implemented the 'auto' functionality already in early 80's, but it was incompatible with C and its implicit int, so dropped.
20:10:21  <Alberth> frosch123: no openttd doesn't have intermediate widget, unless someone implemented a 2D grid container widget
20:10:44  <frosch123> ah, that kind of widget
20:10:59  <frosch123> i always wondered why we do not have that
20:11:14  <frosch123> but at least now in know, that i can look at freerct if i need one :)
20:11:27  <LordAro> you should get Alberth to rewrite the widget system for you :p :p
20:13:21  <Alberth> I pondered about it, but it seemed to difficult at the time
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22:40:40  <aditsu> hi, I think I found a bug, one of my trains got stuck
22:40:55  <LordAro> probably a signal issue
22:41:04  <aditsu> nope
22:41:14  <LordAro> screenshot/save
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22:41:23  <aditsu> it actually moves from time to time, 2 km/h then it stops again
22:41:35  <LordAro> maybe a newgrf issue
22:41:49  <aditsu> not using newgrf or anything unusual
22:41:58  <aditsu> just some common AIs
22:42:00  <LordAro> screenshot/save needed
22:42:05  <aditsu> let me put the save somewhere..
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22:42:11  <LordAro> and version
22:42:15  <aditsu> 1.3.2
22:44:28  <LordAro> screenshot would be nice too, because i cba to boot up ottd atm
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22:44:34  <LordAro> :)
22:45:11  <aditsu> LordAro: http://209.141.41.3/autosave2.sav
22:45:22  <aditsu> let me get a screenshot too
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22:47:29  <aditsu> LordAro: http://209.141.41.3/openttd.png
22:48:38  <LordAro> i suspect it is a signal issue - the movement is probably the train turning round
22:48:52  <LordAro> i don't know if it's an actual signal issue though :L
22:49:18  <aditsu> I took out all the signals around it, nothing changed
22:51:32  <aditsu> also forced it to ignore the signals, didn't move
22:52:23  <aditsu> and also it's not turning
22:53:40  <LordAro> hmm, yeah, looks like a valid bug
22:54:01  <LordAro> i'm going to assuming it's got something to do with you turning up the freight multiplyer to stupid high
22:54:45  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:54:52  <LordAro> i would say report to bug tracker ( http://bugs.openttd.org )
22:54:57  <planetmaker> path finder issues can nearly never be answered unless one has access to the savegame
22:55:03  <LordAro> mention the freight
22:55:07  <LordAro> multiplyer
22:55:24  <aditsu> ok
22:55:34  <LordAro> planetmaker: it's not a pathfinder issue, it knows where it's going, it's just going oddly slowly
22:55:49  <LordAro> planetmaker: "<aditsu> LordAro: http://209.141.41.3/openttd.png"
22:56:29  <planetmaker> yes... but I see no speed in that image. And if the train is overloaded for its power it'll crawl
22:56:41  <LordAro> planetmaker: it is crawling, i'm watching it
22:57:06  <Hendikins> What is the tonnage of it?
22:57:10  <aditsu> speed is 2km/h
22:57:11  <LordAro> it also speeds up if you turn it around and make it go down the hill
22:57:29  <LordAro> i'm guessing freight multiplyer issue
22:57:44  <LordAro> - it was turned up to 255 and then back down to 5
22:58:12  <aditsu> huh, you can see that? :p
22:58:17  <LordAro> yup :)
22:58:24  <LordAro> "`gamelog" :)
22:58:38  <aditsu> yeah I played with a bunch of settings
22:59:42  <LordAro> aditsu: i say it's a valid bug, and you should report it to the bug tracker
22:59:50  <LordAro> ... and that's all you're getting from me
22:59:52  <LordAro> night all
23:00:02  <aditsu> ok thanks
23:00:08  <planetmaker> g'night LordAro
23:00:16  <aditsu> g'night
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