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00:01:17 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 00:03:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:12 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:52 <Wolf01> 'night 00:23:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:24:17 *** zydeco [~zydeco@23.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Miscellaneous hardware exception error] 00:28:15 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 00:28:48 *** haeldb [~Haeldb@cpe-72-190-39-234.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:12 <Supercheese> "Facere ut auto-mutatio longitudinem hamaxostichi contineat ablatione curruum (primo primorum), si hamaxostichus longior fiat mutatione hamaxae" 00:33:28 <Supercheese> Hehe :) 00:34:23 <Supercheese> In case reference is needed: https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamaxostichus 00:35:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:38 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:40:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:15 *** treaki_ [36f939d7f1@p4FF4BF44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:56:41 *** treaki__ [b0fd6bc3db@p4FDF6D3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:46 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 01:25:36 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C3AE4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:25:40 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@9KCAAC4L1.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 01:28:18 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.0.41.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 01:32:49 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.100.160] has joined #openttd 01:32:58 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A77F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:16 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 01:34:33 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [] 01:40:03 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:52 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:58:54 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:59:33 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-3.york.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:51 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:44 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:29:19 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:29:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:07:35 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@186.212.212.83] has joined #openttd 03:11:15 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-58-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 03:13:26 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:14:08 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.0.41.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:44 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:06 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:24:10 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@186.212.212.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:17 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.100.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:32 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.100.160] has joined #openttd 03:38:46 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.224.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Looking for a new irc client? check www.adiirc.com for a new free, light, feature-rich and portable one.] 04:03:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6C9A3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:31 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C3AE4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 04:33:42 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.100.160] has joined #openttd 04:40:25 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.100.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:29 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl6-135-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 05:46:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC675BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:46:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:50:12 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.248.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:06:54 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:17:19 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:48:45 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 07:03:08 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:39 <Supercheese> Uh oh, going over the English strings when translating I've found yet another case of non-unified capitalization... 07:25:58 <Supercheese> too sleepy now, I'll report later 07:26:09 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.155.246] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 08:02:50 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:56 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 08:24:53 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:43:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:45:50 <Wolf01> hello 08:51:24 <planetmaker> moin 08:52:16 <scshunt> planetmaker: are you finnish? 08:53:01 <planetmaker> not exactly 08:53:01 <Rubidium> if he were, he'd omit the n 08:54:51 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:09 <planetmaker> btw, I just saw last evening, that OpenTTD has a seven page article in the current German linux magazine 08:56:22 <andythenorth> o/ 08:56:30 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 08:59:35 <Rubidium> what's "current"? The November one? 08:59:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@109.130.15.190] has joined #openttd 08:59:53 <Rubidium> or am I looking at the wrong Linux-Magazin(.de) 09:02:34 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:02:56 <andythenorth> No alberth 09:03:00 <andythenorth> Nvm 09:03:18 <planetmaker> I just try to find it online, too. it was 11/2013. Maybe the magazine had a slightly different name :-) 09:03:29 <planetmaker> saw it at a friend's house 09:03:37 <Rubidium> linux-magazine.com has one though 09:03:40 <Rubidium> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2013/156/OpenTTD 09:04:41 <Rubidium> unless you meant http://www.linux-user.de/ 09:04:48 <planetmaker> http://www.linux-user.de/ 09:04:50 <planetmaker> ^ yeah 09:07:45 <Rubidium> damn... that's quite an article 09:09:01 <Rubidium> http://www.linux-user.de/Community-Edition/ <- it's in the community edition ;) 09:10:17 <planetmaker> oh, indeed 09:10:40 <Rubidium> so... more notability for wikipedia 09:13:08 *** zydeco [~zydeco@23.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19127.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:16:10 <planetmaker> in any case, it's a nice review article, I think. The choice of used NewGRFs is interesting, though :-) 09:16:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:16:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:16:29 <Rubidium> and there are some errors 09:16:38 <Alberth> moin 09:16:44 <Rubidium> Micropolis GPLv3, Simutrans GPL, OpenTTD frei 09:16:47 <planetmaker> moin Alberth 09:16:54 <planetmaker> yeah, I wonder about their distinction 09:16:58 <planetmaker> probably mixed-up 09:21:19 <Wolf01> hello Alberth 09:21:27 <planetmaker> hm, should we start our own link page in our wiki, Rubidium ? 09:21:37 <planetmaker> like 'OpenTTD in the press'? 09:21:49 <Rubidium> feel free ;) 09:22:40 <Rubidium> though the notability thing was more because they once threatend to remove openttd, so I cited everything that they would think of as being a reliable third party source (even though some sources are just plain incorrect) 09:22:52 <Rubidium> (remove it from wikipedia) 09:24:38 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 09:26:35 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:27:09 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:00 <planetmaker> yeah, I recall. wikipedia admins sometimes have a strange sense of 'notable' 09:38:16 <TinoDidriksen> It is (or was) official Wikipedia policy to require dead tree media to have mentioned something for it to be notable. 09:38:49 <planetmaker> that alone is not sufficient how I experienced a few times. Then I gave up to edit wikipedia 09:43:07 <Rubidium> but openttd is mentioned in dead tree stuff 09:43:29 <Rubidium> namely the proceedings of some papers about an AI ;) 09:43:40 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-254.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:43:40 <planetmaker> even several thesiss 09:43:52 <Rubidium> theses? 09:44:04 <LordAro> moin 09:44:09 <planetmaker> well. One thesis. Several thesises? 09:44:22 <Rubidium> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thesis 09:44:39 <Rubidium> though that's American 09:44:39 <planetmaker> interesting. ye 09:45:54 <Rubidium> my dead tree oxford dictionary says the same 09:53:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:11 <peter1138> Theses sounds like faeces, hurr 10:04:05 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 10:36:57 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 10:38:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19127.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:56 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:01 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-56-181.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:47 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.100.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:00 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@torland1-this.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is] has joined #openttd 11:28:11 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:54 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:35:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe9aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:32 <planetmaker> quak 11:41:39 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:50 <Alberth> hi 11:42:16 <frosch123> moin 11:48:56 <frosch123> "dead tree" is an interesting term 11:50:50 <Rubidium> frosch123: thinking about biomass electricity? 11:51:23 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 12:11:10 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:28 <frosch123> hyro is so obsessed with back seat moderation. when you check topics from 2012 and older, he is moderating everywhere, despite of not being a moderator :p 12:13:07 <Alberth> :) 12:16:10 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:11 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 12:33:28 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.244] has joined #openttd 12:33:38 <gynter> hmm 12:38:14 *** tststs [~id@37.140.101.204] has joined #openttd 12:39:23 <gynter> If I checkout revision 25632 why can't I play in 1.3.2 servers? 12:39:35 <LordAro> ... 12:39:46 <LordAro> because 25632 != 1.3.2 12:39:54 <gynter> (svn r25632) -Release: 1.3.2 12:40:24 <LordAro> you need to build the branch, rather than trunk 12:40:25 <peter1138> You want the tag 12:40:57 <gynter> 1.3 branch? 12:41:25 <peter1138> tags/1.3.2/ 12:50:59 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:54:49 <Alberth> o/ 12:57:16 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: NGC3982 12:57:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: NGC3982 13:04:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:27:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:12 *** Sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB02AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:10 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:40 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:40:12 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 13:55:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C9A3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:59:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:12:02 <andythenorth> hmm 14:12:14 <V453000> nope 14:12:16 * andythenorth just found a sensible way to cut 50 classes / subclasses down to 7 14:12:34 <andythenorth> as getting stinky 14:12:42 <andythenorth> was * 14:12:42 <V453000> I found the way to cut all day classes down to beer years ago 14:12:50 <andythenorth> good technique 14:13:02 <V453000> took serious effort finding out 14:13:42 <andythenorth> Alberth: simple dict vs. a little property holding class....what's a good reason for latter? o_O 14:13:50 <andythenorth> currently I am favouring dict 14:13:59 <Alberth> V453000: and lots of continuous training :) 14:14:03 <V453000> yeah 14:15:29 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 14:15:29 <Alberth> andythenorth: documenting meaning of data, deriving new values by combining values, perhaps easier syntax(?) 14:17:49 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:45 <andythenorth> methods 14:18:51 <andythenorth> @property decorator 14:18:53 <andythenorth> hmm 14:19:13 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052016074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:30 <andythenorth> trying to have less architecture :) 14:20:27 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052016074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:25:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25887 trunk/src/core/pool_type.hpp (2013-10-20 13:35:35 UTC) 14:25:41 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Ignore NULL pointers in delete operator of PoolItem. 14:35:56 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25888 /trunk (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-10-20 13:45:50 UTC) 14:35:57 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add a smallstack type. 14:36:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25889 trunk/src/core/smallstack_type.hpp (2013-10-20 13:46:14 UTC) 14:36:21 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add forgotten file. 14:37:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25890 /trunk/src (station.cpp station_type.h) (2013-10-20 13:47:11 UTC) 14:37:18 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: define a smallstack for station IDs 14:38:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25891 /trunk/src (7 files) (2013-10-20 13:47:58 UTC) 14:38:04 <DorpsGek> -Feature: Use smallstack to allow for multiple next hops when loading and unloading. 14:51:16 <NGC3982> What do you people think is the best way for me, if i want to add -everything- in the online content to my Ubuntu server? 14:51:27 <NGC3982> Terminal only. 14:54:56 <peter1138> Definitely not using the in-game content downloader. That would be *far* too easy. 14:55:09 <Xaroth|Work> why the hell do you want -all- the content? 14:56:19 <NGC3982> Well, "everything" was a stretch. All the NewGRF's would be nice. 14:56:21 <peter1138> Xaroth|Work, cos then you can set up a game with your client, upload it to the server, and now worry about having the GRFs local. 14:56:25 <peter1138> *not 14:56:27 <peter1138> :S 14:56:30 <NGC3982> Exactly. :P 14:56:42 <Xaroth|Work> waste of hdd space tbqfh 14:56:43 <peter1138> NGC3982, seriously, fire up the daemon, and type "content" on the server.; 14:56:50 <NGC3982> peter1138: :-O 14:57:08 <Xaroth|Work> NGC3982: you know he's trolling you, right? 14:57:08 <peter1138> +console 14:57:27 <NGC3982> Xaroth|Work: No, i did not. It sounded perfectly logical. :( 14:57:31 <peter1138> Am I? 14:57:37 <NGC3982> For god sake. 14:57:42 <peter1138> [2013-10-20 15:06:48] - Query, select and download content. Usage: 'content update|upgrade|select [all|id]|unselect [all|id]|state|download' 14:57:48 <NGC3982> I'm being trolled about being trolled. 14:58:01 <peter1138> There actually is a magic "all" there... 14:59:47 <NGC3982> I'll look into it. Thank you. 15:00:43 <peter1138> Xaroth|Work, as if I would :p 15:00:51 <Xaroth|Work> you? never 15:04:45 <andythenorth> Alberth: passing config objects in parameters ftw :) 15:05:54 <Alberth> :) 15:10:43 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:14:31 <andythenorth> bbl 15:14:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:17:41 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25892 /trunk/src (station_base.h station_cmd.cpp) (2013-10-20 14:27:36 UTC) 15:17:42 <DorpsGek> -Fix: off-by-one error in GetVia prevented certain flows from getting picked 15:21:21 <NGC3982> How big is the complete online-content? 15:21:31 <Xaroth|Work> few gig 15:21:40 <NGC3982> Ok. 15:21:46 * NGC3982 downloads everything. 15:23:09 <FLHerne> NGC3982: Don't do that :P 15:23:17 <NGC3982> Why not? :( 15:23:42 <Xaroth|Work> because it's stupid 15:23:43 <FLHerne> If nothing else, it's no good for BaNaNaS hosting 15:24:00 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 15:24:18 <Xaroth|Work> hosting of bananas is gifted mostly 15:24:24 <FLHerne> And every time you want to use a file in your game you'll have to look through a list of hundreds of things you never cared about 15:25:08 <FLHerne> You can't use more than 64 NewGRFs, 15 (?) AIs, one heightmap or scenario and one gamescript at the same time anyway 15:26:22 <V453000> seriously if your server doesnt have everything it can be huge pain in the ass to add those newGRFs when loading game 15:26:40 <V453000> I even think it would be nice to have the option to download older versions of newGRFs to server 15:26:43 <NGC3982> Well, if it hurtz BaNaNaS, ill stay out of it. Though, the reason for downloading everything is so that i don't have to bother with downloading NewGRF's to the server, each time i export a new save game to my server. 15:26:55 <NGC3982> Aight. 15:26:58 <V453000> how should downloading hurt bananas if it is made for it ... 15:27:35 <NGC3982> I guess i could rsync the local NewGRF catalogue with the server one.. 15:27:43 <Alberth> NGC3982: that's a false assumption, things get updated 15:27:47 <NGC3982> Or simply have a click fest. 15:27:56 <NGC3982> Alberth: Yes, and that's also an issue. 15:28:08 <NGC3982> This feels like more work than fruit. 15:28:13 <FLHerne> Perhaps something that extracted the MD5sums from a savegame and compared against the grf folder would be handy 15:28:28 <Alberth> my guess is you don't need about 80% of the newgrfs 15:37:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25893 /trunk/src/core (random_func.cpp random_func.hpp) (2013-10-20 14:48:08 UTC) 15:38:13 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:14 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Document RandomRange and change misleading parameter name 'max' in random functions. 15:38:23 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:40:42 <Taede> so from an admin-port app point of view, how does one download the necessary grfs to load a particular savegame? 15:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a parameter to the "load" command? 15:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> like "load <file> --download-missing"? 15:42:31 <V453000> possible but I dont know about it (yet) :) 15:43:22 <Taede> not listed on the openttd wiki if there is 15:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> then write it :) 15:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> ca. 10 LOC, i see your patch in an hour, ok? :p 15:44:32 <Taede> i'll just use the autopilot way for now 15:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how does autopilot do it? 15:45:01 <Taede> content update, select all, upgrade, download 15:49:59 *** zydeco [~zydeco@23.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Miscellaneous hardware exception error] 15:51:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:56:56 <NGC3982> Not being that familiar with Linux and programs. I have installed 1.3.2 by downloading the package from the site, and installing it with dpkg. If a new version comes along, should i simply download it and re-do the procedure? 15:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:57:13 <NGC3982> :-) 15:57:18 <NGC3982> Okidoki. 15:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> or you find a repo for your package manager that contains the update 15:59:07 <Alberth> that package doesn't include the baseset, afaik 15:59:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:45 <NGC3982> I guess i forgot an update or something, but downloading via apt-get installed 1.4.0 or something. 16:01:23 <LordAro> i doubt that 16:01:43 <Alberth> of what? OpenTTD 1.4 stable has not been released yet 16:02:01 <LordAro> source please! :p 16:02:25 <Alberth> yeah, it would be interesting to know what we will implement :p 16:05:15 <NGC3982> 0.4.0 or something* 16:05:31 <LordAro> ! 16:05:47 <LordAro> that's approximately 7 years old 16:06:08 <LordAro> what linux distro do you have? 16:06:10 <NGC3982> Please take the "or something" as the main part of this situation. 16:06:15 <LordAro> :p 16:06:30 <NGC3982> It's on Ubuntu 12.04. 16:07:10 <LordAro> that would be 1.1.4 then ;) 16:07:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:07:18 <LordAro> still, 2.5 years old now 16:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.4.0 was only available for a week :p 16:07:36 <NGC3982> Oh 16:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it was immediately replaced by 0.4.0.1 16:07:57 <NGC3982> Why isn't aptitude updated? 16:08:02 <NGC3982> Or did i missunderstand this. 16:08:22 <LordAro> only security fixes are backported 16:08:37 <LordAro> you want to upgrade to 13.10 to get (almost) latest 16:08:50 <LordAro> s/13.10/ubuntu 13.10/ 16:08:51 <Alberth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/LATEST/ opengfx seems to have 0.4.7 as latest stable release 16:08:57 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe with 1.4.x it meant lightles? 16:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> *nightlies? 16:09:37 <Alberth> with ubuntu, I'd guess that's an option :) 16:09:42 <LordAro> doubt it 16:09:50 <LordAro> especially not 12.04: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/games/openttd 16:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you're jumping to conclusions without all necessary data 16:10:42 <LordAro> wait, now i'm confused 16:11:31 <NGC3982> \o. 16:30:05 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 16:31:58 <peter1138> herpderp 16:35:57 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.155.246] has joined #openttd 16:42:39 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 16:47:57 *** Sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB02AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:12 *** Sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB0633.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:08 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:58:56 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59:13 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 17:00:40 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@109.130.15.190] has joined #openttd 17:00:55 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [] 17:01:12 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 17:03:35 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [] 17:03:54 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 17:05:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@109.130.15.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:24 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@83TAADEO3.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 17:21:20 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:22:17 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A22E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:07 <Supercheese> Aww, there's no ship disasters in OTTD, I wanted to translate "Shipwreck" as "Naufragium" 17:23:14 <Supercheese> one of my favorite Latin words 17:23:43 <FLHerne> Supercheese: Do the mysterious subs count? 17:24:23 <Supercheese> I don't think any ship actually is destroyed though 17:25:18 <FLHerne> Nope :-( 17:25:30 * FLHerne would quite like a 'realistic disasters' setting 17:25:30 <__ln__> feature request 17:25:41 <Supercheese> __ln__: definitely 17:25:58 <Supercheese> "Add this feature to the game, for the Latin translation would be awesome" 17:26:02 <Supercheese> best reasoning ever 17:26:23 <FLHerne> So shipwrecks, mine collapses, maybe something shiny like tornadoes or fires but not the stupid UFO things 17:26:24 <Supercheese> :D 17:26:40 <Supercheese> mine subsidences are already in game 17:27:05 <frosch123> shall we replace the ufos with unicorns? 17:27:06 <Supercheese> In fact, I'm translating that string right now ;) 17:27:14 <FLHerne> Supercheese: I know that ;-) 17:27:40 <Supercheese> "Ignotus volans unicornis" 17:27:55 <__ln__> FLHerne: floods that destroy railways and roads would be quite r********* 17:28:02 <FLHerne> Supercheese: What I mean is that additional realistic disasters would be nice instead of (or inaddition to for the crazy people) the silly ones would be nice 17:28:08 <Supercheese> Floods in game too 17:28:18 <Supercheese> but of course only due to bad terraforming :P 17:28:27 <FLHerne> Supercheese: Yeah, that doesn't really count 17:28:52 <FLHerne> You have to do something ridiculously stupid to cause any real damage by flooding 17:29:11 <Supercheese> Hehe: https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_volans_ignota 17:29:58 <FLHerne> Occasional flooding from rivers would be neat, perhaps 17:30:04 <FLHerne> Don't build on floodplains :P 17:32:50 <Supercheese> Hmm, I need accusative town names... 17:33:00 <Supercheese> but I very much doubt town name grfs provide accusative forms 17:33:22 <Supercheese> well, maybe the Latin one does :P 17:33:40 <Supercheese> genitive forms would be nice too 17:34:17 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.166] has joined #openttd 17:36:14 <__ln__> how about just "civitam Townname", or does the name need to flex even in that case? 17:36:20 <Supercheese> I wonder if the base town names even have cases... 17:36:31 <Supercheese> Well, "Oil refinery explosion near {TOWN}!" 17:37:00 <Supercheese> I'm not sure how to construct a translation only using a nominative there 17:37:28 <Supercheese> the most direct route is obviously "... apud {TOWN.acc}!" 17:38:26 <Supercheese> other adverbs/prepositions would work too 17:39:42 <__ln__> other languages would also benefit from accusatives of townnames 17:39:59 <Supercheese> Inspecting the Greek translation, they do not use accusatives in these strings, which is interesting 17:40:20 <Supercheese> perhaps the translator just said, "well, town names don't provide cases so there's nothing I can do"... 17:43:36 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A22E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 17:44:51 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 17:46:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19127.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:49 <Supercheese> Hmm, station names also need to be accusative in many instances... 18:02:46 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@109.130.15.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:48 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:01 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:43 *** tststs [~id@37.140.101.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:51 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:53:27 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:45 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052016074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:31 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052016074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:48 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:41:42 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052012046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:48:55 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052016074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:13 <andythenorth> hmm 19:56:19 <andythenorth> this editor supports folding 19:56:21 <andythenorth> who knew? :P 19:57:08 <Rubidium> how often can it fold the same piece? 19:58:35 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@sns61-3.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:59:03 <andythenorth> 7 times 20:00:21 *** LordAro is now known as Guest2949 20:00:21 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 20:00:48 <andythenorth> meh 20:01:02 <andythenorth> passing a string because the thing I want to refer to doesn't exist yet :P 20:01:03 <andythenorth> ugly 20:01:13 <andythenorth> why can't python predict the future? 20:01:32 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:56 *** Guest2949 [~LordAro@sns61-254.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:17 <Xaroth|Work> you can import antigravity though 20:07:42 <LordAro> ^^ 20:09:11 <andythenorth> hmm 20:09:22 <andythenorth> I hope I haven't left too many default values behind in get() 20:09:32 <andythenorth> otherwise my compile is failing silently :P 20:15:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:18:28 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:23:35 <frosch123> does anyone use code folding? 20:23:48 <frosch123> i have seen many editors which support it, but never anyone using it 20:24:07 <Xaroth|Work> very occasionally 20:26:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:03 <andythenorth> I am using it today 20:28:14 <andythenorth> it's probably a sign of too much stuff in one file :P 20:29:18 <frosch123> do you use it more often than conditional orders in ottd? 20:30:32 <Japa> Code folding is when you smaller-ize parts of the code, right? 20:30:41 <Japa> I use that... um... not often 20:30:51 <frosch123> yes, collapsing if-else and such 20:35:33 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25894 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-10-20 19:45:27 UTC) 20:35:34 <DorpsGek> -Change: Unify behaviour when clicking on different items in the goto dropdown list when giving orders (adf88) 20:39:48 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A22E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:56:41 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 20:56:57 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:59:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C9A3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:32 *** Twofish [~Thorbjorn@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 21:18:05 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:36:38 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 21:47:56 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 21:50:44 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.224.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:02:37 <frosch123> night 22:02:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe9aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:16:01 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:16:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:27:07 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:41 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:32:04 *** help_please [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #openttd 22:32:11 <help_please> hello 22:32:30 <Supercheese> Greetings 22:32:40 <help_please> i need help 22:32:50 <Supercheese> I gathered from your username :P 22:32:54 <__ln__> who would have guessed, indeed 22:32:55 <help_please> i know 22:33:01 <help_please> that was the point 22:33:13 <Supercheese> explain your problem 22:33:40 <LordAro> @topic get 3 22:33:40 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Don't ask to ask, just ask 22:33:45 <help_please> when i start an openttd server it says could not start server 22:34:12 <LordAro> i doubt that's all it says... 22:34:14 <help_please> how do i fix this? 22:34:31 <help_please> thats all i get in a red error box message 22:34:58 <Supercheese> I know very very little about multiplayer stuff, sorry 22:35:02 <help_please> :( 22:35:21 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:35:25 <help_please> does anyone else know about multiplayer stuff? 22:36:34 *** help_please [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 22:36:51 <LordAro> the string "could not start server" does not appear anywhere in the source code 22:37:03 <LordAro> but, are you using a different language (other than english) ? 22:38:39 *** Openttd [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #openttd 22:38:58 <Openttd> hello 22:39:33 <Supercheese> Salutations 22:39:45 <Openttd> ? 22:40:03 <LordAro> you need a proper nickname ;) 22:40:13 <Openttd> ? 22:40:15 <LordAro> (i'm assuming you are "help_please") 22:40:27 <Openttd> no 22:40:47 <LordAro> you have exactly the same hostname 22:40:59 <LordAro> that could be the web client however 22:41:02 <Openttd> i use the same computer as him 22:41:16 <LordAro> right 22:41:19 <Openttd> and same user 22:42:25 <planetmaker> quite a presumptious username, no? 22:42:25 *** Openttd [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 22:42:31 <LordAro> either way, "Openttd" is a ... 22:42:32 <LordAro> damn 22:42:32 *** help_please [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #openttd 22:42:42 <LordAro> ok, i don't believe you anymore 22:42:44 <help_please> hi (again) 22:44:05 <help_please> help me about my previous question please 22:44:18 <LordAro> "<LordAro> the string "could not start server" does not appear anywhere in the source code 22:44:18 <LordAro> <LordAro> but, are you using a different language (other than english) ?" 22:44:36 <LordAro> we need the _exact_ message to be able to help you 22:45:01 <planetmaker> do you try to start a dedicated or non-dedicated server? 22:45:13 <help_please> i use "english US" 22:45:22 <help_please> non dedicated 22:45:40 <LordAro> again, the string "could not start server" does not appear, anywhere 22:46:01 <planetmaker> ^ 22:46:09 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A22E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:46:12 <help_please> message "Could not start the server" red error message 22:46:23 <help_please> just opened game and checked 22:46:40 <LordAro> "grep -rni 'could not start server' src" results in no results 22:46:52 <help_please> huh? 22:47:00 <LordAro> again, the string "could not start server" does not appear, anywhere 22:47:02 <Supercheese> "could not start the server", perhaps 22:47:22 <LordAro> damn, sorry 22:47:24 <help_please> this problem has gone on all day 22:47:42 <help_please> and i have tried to fix it for hours 22:48:34 <help_please> also after the error message it uses same settings for world gen and leads me singleplayer 22:48:41 <planetmaker> the server will - without the config file telling it otherwise - try to bind to your IP and the default port 22:48:52 <planetmaker> if that is not available, it will fail with the mentioned message 22:49:09 <LordAro> basically, your network connection is screwed up slightly 22:49:11 <help_please> what config file 22:49:17 <planetmaker> openttd.cfg 22:49:26 <help_please> i have seen that file 22:49:27 <planetmaker> chapter 4.2 in the readme tells you where to find it. Depends on OS 22:49:36 <help_please> in documents 22:49:57 <LordAro> if you don't know, it'll probably be in My Documents/OpenTTD 22:50:02 <planetmaker> there are also the network settings. Maybe you also configured a IP address there which you don't own 22:50:09 <planetmaker> (if you edited it) 22:50:30 <planetmaker> or you are not allowed to open ports 22:50:32 <planetmaker> @ports 22:50:32 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 22:50:50 <help_please> i opened command prompt and typed "ipconfig/all" and entered that Ipv6 ip 22:51:08 <help_please> it uses port 3979 22:52:03 <help_please> ive been using port 3979 22:52:35 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:53:28 <help_please> ive been using port 3979 and my ipv6 ip adress e.g. 192.168.1.xx 22:54:08 <LordAro> ... 22:54:11 <planetmaker> 192.168.1.xx is not IPv6 22:54:17 <help_please> ??? 22:54:22 <planetmaker> that's IPv4 22:54:43 <help_please> i mix those 2 up 22:54:49 <help_please> oops 22:55:13 <LordAro> 192.168.1.xxx is a local ip address too, not an external one 22:55:32 <planetmaker> that, too. But you can create a (local) server then 22:55:43 <help_please> im trying to play with family in same network since im a kid 22:55:53 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:20 <help_please> im trying for local play 22:56:43 <help_please> yet every time i try to start server i get that error message 22:56:44 <planetmaker> I would bet that some personal firewall disallows you to start a server by disallowing it to bind to the port 22:56:57 <help_please> it worked before though 22:57:14 <planetmaker> then... what did you change? Undo that change to your system config :-) 22:57:32 <help_please> i never changed the config file 22:58:07 <planetmaker> even though it may feel like, it's not openttd which fails, it's your OS failing to provide the required ressources. 22:59:42 <help_please> so do i change firewall settings? 22:59:44 <LordAro> help_please: suggestion: delete openttd.cfg file, restart computer 23:00:32 <planetmaker> yes, of course you have to configure your firewall to allow starting a server 23:00:48 <help_please> my openttd.cfg file has stuff in it though LordAro 23:00:58 <planetmaker> rename it 23:01:06 <planetmaker> then you can copy it back later 23:01:15 <help_please> ill try that 23:01:28 *** help_please [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:02:45 *** help_please [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #openttd 23:02:54 <help_please> it worked 23:03:03 <help_please> thank you 23:03:16 <help_please> now to copy the data back 23:03:23 <LordAro> i'm impressed with your restart time 23:03:38 <help_please> i didnt have to restart my computer 23:04:01 <help_please> i had to rename openttd.cfg file and open openttd 23:04:50 <help_please> bye and thank you again 23:05:15 *** help_please [~oftc-webi@66-189-84-72.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 23:05:45 <planetmaker> strange how resetting to defaults fixes the issue, if the defaults were never changed :-) 23:05:55 <LordAro> windows is strange ;) 23:13:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19127.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:05 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:11 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:59:54 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052012046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: What? 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