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08:02:10 <ggsklg> Why share order can only apply to 2-3 vehicles. is it a bug? 08:02:44 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:02:59 <ggsklg> ? 08:03:57 <Terkhen> why do you say that it can only apply to 2-3 vehicles? do you encounter any error when trying to share them between more vehicles? 08:04:27 <ggsklg> yes 08:04:37 <Terkhen> which one? 08:04:54 <ggsklg> i tried to make 5-6 vehicles share the same order, but after 1-2 vehicles that i shared the order it just start to replace them 08:05:29 <ggsklg> so for exp: 1 plane is go to A go to B, share to plane 2, 3, then on plane 4 plane 2 dosnt share order anymore but plane 4 does 08:06:16 <ggsklg> I'm using the night ver, with FIRS and Japanese mods, but that happend to me on 1.3.3 too 08:08:24 <Terkhen> I just tried to share orders using diferent methods (cloning the vehicle you want to share orders with while pressing control and creating a vehicle with empty orders and using shift click on an existing vehicle to share orders with it) 08:08:54 <Terkhen> both of them work fine and orders are shared between all vehicles; I think that you are doing something wrong 08:09:04 <Terkhen> can you tell me how are you sharing orders? 08:09:11 <ggsklg> oh, didnt know you can do it with shift. 08:09:23 <ggsklg> I'm just using the button 'share orders" in the order menu 08:11:44 <Terkhen> it works correctly for me too on a recent nightly, so I don't know why it is going wrong for you... 08:12:30 <Terkhen> the only thing I can think of is that you are trying to share orders that the plane cannot follow because the destination airports are too far away, but since it's been a while since I played I don't know how those distance limitations work 08:12:56 <ggsklg> o_O 08:12:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-156.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:13:05 <ggsklg> dosnt make sense 08:13:16 <ggsklg> Maybe i'm doin something wrong 08:13:42 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:09 <ggsklg> any shorcut to share order between exisitin vehicles? 08:14:30 <Terkhen> open orders window and shift+click on the vehicle you want to share orders with 08:16:31 <ggsklg> nope. dosnt work 08:18:12 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:21 <Rubidium> try ctrl instead of shift 08:20:48 *** Virtual [~Virtual@95.44.116.115] has joined #openttd 08:21:01 <ggsklg> tried it. it stop/start the train 08:21:42 <Rubidium> open order window, click on the goto button, then ctrl-click the other vehicle 08:22:15 <Rubidium> however... the vehicle that has the order window open will be the one taking the orders of the vehicle you share with 08:23:01 <ggsklg> ya, works. but not that usefull, just one click away from click on share order and than the vehicle 08:23:28 <Rubidium> which means that if the vehicle with the order window is open, it will first unshare its orders and then share it with the newly clicked vehicle (which is the only way you might be able to reproduce what you see) 08:25:08 <George> Rubidium: Could you upload https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/164/ to bananas or configure bananas to allow me to upload file myself? 08:25:09 <ggsklg> ohhhh 08:25:19 <ggsklg> now i understand 08:25:39 <ggsklg> so what i need to do - click plane 1, share order with 2, click on plane 2 share order with 3 and so on... 08:25:40 <ggsklg> right? 08:26:04 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 08:26:11 <Rubidium> ggsklg: no, click plane 2, share with 1, click plane 3, share with 2 (or 1) 08:26:24 <ggsklg> :P 08:26:26 <ggsklg> understand 08:28:30 <Rubidium> George: should work now, I think 08:28:57 <George> Rubidium: Thank you, I'll try 08:29:42 <ggsklg> Rubidium - thanks 08:35:52 <planetmaker> moin 08:38:41 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:24 <andythenorth> o/ Terkhen 08:47:28 <andythenorth> been a while :) 08:57:45 <Terkhen> hi 08:57:54 <Terkhen> I'm usually always around, I just don't talk much :) 09:01:07 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:03:32 <planetmaker> George, do you use a railtype translation table in xussr? It's used to define a cascade of fallback types. And use code like shown in the section "railtype IDs": http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Railtypes 09:03:54 <planetmaker> afaik that should do the trick 09:07:49 <George> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/xussrset/repository/changes/src/railtype/railtypetable.pnml 09:08:08 <George> Is it what you mean? 09:08:58 <planetmaker> that's a railtype table, yes. But it defines no faillback types should your own types not be available 09:09:40 <planetmaker> but that's actually ok. Might only result in vehicles not being available 09:10:28 <George> what do you suggest to change this to? 09:11:51 <planetmaker> To get rid of your sprite error the code on the website I linked above should be needed 09:13:11 <planetmaker> a railtype table could look similar to: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/entry/src/railtypetable.pnml 09:14:00 <planetmaker> but I can't exactly make a suggestion as I know neither the vehicles nor the used railtypes in xussrset sufficiently in order to give good fallback types 09:15:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:53 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.227] has joined #openttd 09:25:55 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 09:32:23 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:33:42 <George> that should be easy 09:34:08 <George> RLA1, RLA2, RLA3 are RAIL 09:34:35 <George> ERA1, ERA2, ERA3, ERD1, ERD2, ERD3, ER2S are ELRL 09:35:00 <George> in case there is AC/DC diff then 09:35:10 <George> ERA1, ERA2, ERA3 are AC 09:35:18 <George> ERD1, ERD2, ERD3 are DC 09:35:30 <George> ER2S is combo 09:36:09 <planetmaker> did you ever look at http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Standardized_Railtype_Scheme ? 09:36:19 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:37 <George> no 09:37:14 <planetmaker> using that scheme might help compatibility in general a lot, I'd think 09:37:31 <George> I'll have a look 09:38:25 <andythenorth> anybody want to make a railtype set to match IH? o_O 09:38:29 <planetmaker> well, of course it won't magically solve any issues. But would make it possibly easier to see which other types would match :) 09:38:38 <andythenorth> no sprite drawing needed, that can be done later 09:40:58 <planetmaker> hm... I would need to take a look at what it offers 09:41:07 <planetmaker> next year :P 09:41:10 <andythenorth> :) 09:41:17 <andythenorth> dunno if I can wait that long 09:41:30 <planetmaker> it's tough, I know 09:43:11 <planetmaker> George, does any of your vehicles actually use RAIL or ELRL? 09:43:39 <planetmaker> and how do RLA1, RLA2, RLA3 differ? 09:44:30 <George> speed 09:44:38 <George> A B C 09:45:42 <George> None uses default type 09:46:08 <planetmaker> then I don't understand why RAIL and ELRL are in your railtype table :) 09:48:49 <George> they should be removed? 09:49:09 <planetmaker> RLA1: [SAEN, RAIL] 09:49:21 <planetmaker> yes, the RTT should only define the types used by your vehicles 09:49:36 <planetmaker> so 09:49:37 <planetmaker> RLA1: [SAEN, RAIL] 09:49:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A192AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:49:47 <planetmaker> and rename your *railtype* RLA1 to SAEN 09:49:55 <planetmaker> but keep vehicles using RLA1 09:50:15 <planetmaker> RLA2: [SBEN, RAIL] 09:50:23 <planetmaker> RLA3: [SCEN, RAIL] 09:50:27 <planetmaker> possibly 09:51:16 <planetmaker> how do the ERAx and ERDx differ? 09:51:41 <George> AC | DC 09:52:07 <planetmaker> k 09:52:13 <George> Does S means 1435 mm? 09:52:40 <planetmaker> standard gauge. whatever that is :) 09:52:51 <George> We use 1520, so that should be B? 09:52:54 <planetmaker> Russia uses broad? 09:52:55 <planetmaker> yeah 09:53:31 <planetmaker> though, are your tracks actually wider and do your vehicles show that in pixels? 09:53:46 <George> I do not know how much is "broad" in mm 09:54:52 <George> In our scale it is wider, than 1435. But other sets use different scale 09:58:53 <George> Axle load class [**X*] I suppose *3 should be not E 09:59:55 <planetmaker> E means heavy load 10:00:42 <planetmaker> i.e. disregarding that 10:02:07 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-219-69.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:41 <George> RLA1 = BAEN 10:02:41 <George> RLA2 = BBEN 10:02:41 <George> RLA3 = BCCN 10:02:41 <George> 10:02:41 <George> ERA1 = BAEA 10:02:43 <George> ERA2 = BBEA 10:02:43 <George> ERA3 = BCCA 10:02:45 <George> 10:02:45 <George> ERD1 = BAED 10:02:47 <George> ERD2 = BBED 10:02:47 <George> ERD3 = BCCD 10:03:02 <George> and what to do with 10:03:06 <George> ER2S = BBE? 10:03:19 <George> It is AC+DC 10:03:39 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 10:03:50 <George> (a line, where AC | DC is seceted according to a train, that uses it) 10:03:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:04:00 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2941/ 10:04:06 <planetmaker> not sure about the latter 10:04:51 <planetmaker> why reduce the axle load for the fastest track type 10:04:52 <planetmaker> ? 10:05:39 <George> Heavy trains may destroy a very expencive line? 10:05:57 <planetmaker> they may also destroy a cheap line 10:06:13 <George> but it would cost less to repair 10:06:24 <planetmaker> or are the foundations for your high speed tracks less robust etc? 10:06:54 <planetmaker> i.e. the fast tracks build to other standards? 10:07:00 <George> No, I suppose they are strong enough 10:07:02 <planetmaker> worse standards 10:07:04 <andythenorth> moin Alberth 10:07:21 <planetmaker> then... it should be able to carry the same weight and have the same axle load class, I'd recon 10:07:25 <Alberth> moin andy, planet maker 10:07:32 <planetmaker> heya albert h :) 10:08:21 <andythenorth> we should also consider super-elevation, depth of ballast, and whether rail is welded or jointed :) 10:08:31 <Alberth> oh, I forgot ge0rge, morning to you as well 10:08:32 <peter1138> Damn it, on Windows I can use my analogue and s/pdif outputs independently. With PulseAudio, I can only use one or the other :-( 10:08:34 <andythenorth> and the amount of time since last maintenance 10:08:48 <George> Technically yes, but I never heard lines for express trains are used for heavy cargo trains 10:08:52 <planetmaker> totally, andythenorth ;) 10:08:57 <George> I have to think about it 10:09:03 <planetmaker> George, it's about technically possible 10:09:15 <planetmaker> not about what is done 10:09:23 <andythenorth> George: don't think too hard, the railtype scheme is overkill :D 10:09:23 <planetmaker> what is done should be left to the player 10:10:13 <George> Sorry, I have to go, come back later 10:10:19 <andythenorth> so new year....new company colour GUI? 10:10:22 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 10:10:28 <George> Happy new year to all! 10:10:35 <planetmaker> same to you, George :) 10:10:45 *** DDR [~kvirc@154.20.134.39] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 10:11:37 <planetmaker> andythenorth, yes, it's somewhat overkill. But then, you know, number of standards ;) 10:11:53 <planetmaker> so I try to not make it worse with each new rail set :P 10:12:20 <planetmaker> it's disgusting as it is with the existing plethora of railtypes where most basically mean the same thing 10:12:49 <planetmaker> Personally I totally prefer games with less railtypes 10:13:20 <andythenorth> I'm trying to limit IH to 5 or so per game 10:14:12 <planetmaker> that's already man :) 10:14:47 <andythenorth> rail, elrail, maglev forces a minimum of 3 10:14:47 <planetmaker> to me different track types don't add to gameplay other than visual 10:14:58 <planetmaker> yes, and those 3 suffice for me :) 10:15:33 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:42 <planetmaker> if I have to choose between two somewhat equivalent ones, I choose the one which supports most vehicle types 10:16:20 <andythenorth> the IH ones are mostly exclusive sets 10:16:29 <andythenorth> except for electrified [type] 10:16:43 <andythenorth> narrow guage, metro, rail, maglev are incompatible 10:17:32 <planetmaker> it totally should introduce dual-tracked or tripple-tracked tracks which combine narrow, standard and metro tracks :D 10:17:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I considered that :P 10:17:56 <planetmaker> (don't) :) 10:18:09 <Wolf01> hello o/ 10:18:14 <planetmaker> hey Wolf0 1 10:18:25 <andythenorth> I rejected it :) 10:18:39 <Alberth> moin Wolf01 10:18:40 <andythenorth> unless we do a roster for a country where that happens a lot, like India 10:20:44 <andythenorth> so who has the company colour gui open right now? o_O 10:22:51 <Alberth> people playing the 2cc set? 10:23:23 <andythenorth> :P 10:23:42 <Alberth> you'd hope it has better features than its name suggests :) 10:24:22 <planetmaker> he :) 10:24:54 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 10:26:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:49:18 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3DB5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:25 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-219-69.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:28 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 10:59:18 *** Pecio [~fgh@abxw74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:27 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 11:21:52 <Flygon> planetmaker: Triple gauge was a disaster here 11:22:10 <Flygon> 1435mm, 1600mm, and 1067mm (South Australia) 11:22:25 <Flygon> 1435+1600mm imposes 80km/h max on the BG line... 11:22:39 <Flygon> Now if all our HST's weren't BG... 11:23:50 <George> planetmaker: I've changed table to http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2942/ and now compilation fails 11:25:14 <George> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2943/ 11:25:33 <George> what am doing wrong? 11:27:47 <Alberth> you broke nml :) 11:28:35 <Alberth> ie it's a bug in the nml compiler 11:28:53 <MNIM> heh. AC/DC on the radio. 11:29:44 <Alberth> nah, radiohead in the cd player :) 11:29:47 <Virtual> :) 11:29:54 <Virtual> I'm listening to AC/DC now 11:31:08 <George> Alberth: And how to fix it? 11:32:01 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-173-75-27-114.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:02 <Alberth> mostly by fixing the nml compiler 11:32:16 <MNIM> Virtual: Top2000, eh? 11:32:22 <George> I can't do it 11:32:33 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:08 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-75-27-114.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:56 <Alberth> can you make a small example? 11:38:09 <Alberth> ie I need to reproduce the error here 11:38:22 <Alberth> preferably with as little code as possible 11:40:46 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 11:43:12 <Alberth> I don't have your version here, and if r1278 is the real nml revision, it is very old 11:43:21 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 11:43:40 <George> I'm looking for latest version now 11:43:56 <Alberth> ie (number cbddf81837f4 doesn't exist in the repository of nml 11:45:10 <Alberth> the line does look to be able to generate that error 11:51:17 <planetmaker> maybe somewhere the label is used w/o quotes where it needs to be used with quotes. 11:51:35 <planetmaker> there's no railtype label anywhere which does start with a number, is there? 11:53:17 <planetmaker> but yeah, first try with current NML. About 50% more commits have been made since the version you use(d), George 11:58:53 <George> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2944/ 11:59:28 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:27 <George> I hve not change anything since xUSSR set 0.2 execpt railtypetable 12:04:48 <Alberth> what should be changed relative to xussrset r1278 ? 12:06:29 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.227] has joined #openttd 12:07:06 <George> one file 12:07:51 <George> from http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/xussrset/repository/changes/src/railtype/railtypetable.pnml to http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2942/ 12:09:10 <George> changing it back restores compilation 12:13:22 <planetmaker> George, with just that change and current xussr in the repo, I get something different: nmlc ERROR: "src/dummy/dummy.pnml", line 31: Unrecognized identifier 'RAIL' encountered 12:14:58 <Alberth> me too 12:17:22 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:06 <planetmaker> that might be expected as you don't define a RAIL anymore in the railtype table - but if the 'dummy' uses it, it will fail 12:20:33 <George> I compile under win, may it be the reason? 12:22:24 <Xaroth|Work> more likely that you use an outdated nmlc version 12:22:44 <Alberth> 5100 is the latest nightly 12:23:04 <Alberth> I just tried that one, and it gives also the error of unrecognized identifier 12:24:20 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:17 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has joined #openttd 12:25:53 <Alberth> could you insert before line 40 print type(value), repr(value) ? 12:26:52 <George> insert where? 12:27:08 <Xaroth|Work> nml/expression/__init__.py 12:27:11 <Xaroth|Work> under the def 12:28:08 <George> I do not have such file in the NML folder 12:28:50 <George> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2946/ 12:28:59 <Alberth> in windows, its nml\expression\__init__.py 12:29:03 <planetmaker> Alberth, Xaroth : the windows version is an exe file created by throwing cxfreeze onto the python 12:29:15 <planetmaker> so it might not have all that stuff there. Not sure 12:29:17 <Xaroth|Work> meh :P 12:29:29 <Alberth> yeah, looks like it, only an .exe 12:29:30 <Alberth> :( 12:34:54 <George> may be you could compile a special exe for me so I could test? 12:39:42 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 12:40:49 <George> Alberth: I've created the smallest GRF that fails. Here it is http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2947/ 12:45:52 <Alberth> after adding a language file, it compiles here 12:46:12 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.105.54] has joined #openttd 12:46:21 <George> but not here :( 12:46:40 <George> With error specified above 12:47:20 <Alberth> I believe you, but if I cannot reproduce it, it's very difficult to understand why it doesn't produce that error 12:47:39 <Alberth> ie the "unrecognized identifier" error 12:48:22 <Alberth> you could try switching to the python source code version, but that needs installing python etc etc, which is also not that simple 12:48:57 <Alberth> and of course that will not help if the error is not in the conversion of python to the .exe file 12:49:06 <George> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2944/ 12:49:47 <Alberth> yeah I know, but the problem is much earlier 12:50:06 <Alberth> namely at the point where it decides not to give an "unrecognized identifier" error 12:50:37 <George> I think the first step would be to provide an exe file for me that would generate more log information 12:53:39 <Xaroth|Work> I doubt it's anything to do with an exe version requiring more log information, and more to do with the exe file you have being hugely out-of-date 12:54:01 <Alberth> Xaroth|Work: 5100 is the latest nightly 12:54:23 <Xaroth|Work> Alberth: and his .exe version is 5100? 12:54:43 <Alberth> that message comes from the exe, doesn't it? 12:55:16 <Xaroth|Work> that depends on what kind of weird magic cx_freeze uses 12:55:24 <Xaroth|Work> it wouldn't be the first time that it cocked up on something 12:55:26 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:27 <Alberth> to decide that, you need to run the same input on the pure python nml version, and see what it does 12:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <George> (a line, where AC | DC is seceted according to a train, that uses it) <-- AC should be ***A, DC ***D and both ***E, and one or both of ***A and ***D should have ***E and ELRL as fallback, should a trackset which doesn't model multiple power types be loaded 13:03:08 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:38 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.29.139.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 13:05:13 <George> So what changes do i need to make in railtypetable.pnml? 13:06:04 <planetmaker> George, you indeed verified that your bat(ch) file uses nml v5100, yes? 13:14:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 13:16:26 *** Tom_Soft2 [~id@37.140.115.246] has joined #openttd 13:16:38 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:24 <planetmaker> Alberth, you meant a diff like https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2948/ ? 13:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ERA1: [BAEA, SAEA, ELRL], <-- you should put BAEE and SAEE as fallbacks in here as well 13:17:51 <Alberth> planetmaker: no, below the 'def' 13:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ER2S: [BBEE, SBEE, ELRL] <-- and this should be *A** since you don't have any speed distinction here 13:18:03 <Alberth> ie print the value of the argument 13:18:23 <Alberth> which is not a string or buffer, but what is it? 13:18:41 <Alberth> perhaps also find the place where the identifier error is decided 13:19:56 <planetmaker> George, http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/ has a hacked version with Alberth's suggested debug line 13:20:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> Thought of the day: Rhinos are just fat Unicorns..... 13:20:40 <planetmaker> However, I've to leave for the rest of the year, so I wish you all a nice NewYear's eve 13:20:44 <planetmaker> and a happy new year 13:20:46 <andythenorth> bye 13:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> George: the distinction for *A**/*B**/*C** should probably not be in the translation table at all, since you should define trains for *A** only, the *B** and *C** should be in the trackset only, without the vehicle set being aware of them 13:21:14 <planetmaker> Alberth, if you want to continue today, you could test stuff directly on the build server (probably easiest way to get the exes) 13:21:32 <planetmaker> would you like that kind of access? 13:21:57 <Alberth> not really, I am busy with other things 13:22:10 <planetmaker> fair enough :) 13:22:12 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:22:18 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:32 <Alberth> and building dozen of exes with just 1 line extra or so is not the most useful way to find what's wrong 13:23:01 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/nml--windows-win32.zip @ George 13:23:21 <planetmaker> nah, likely right. But would allow to compile versions without commit or so :) Very hacky :D 13:23:58 <planetmaker> operating on jenkin's checkout w/o using jenkins ;) 13:24:54 <Alberth> hmm, using nml r1278 gives an error on the language file 13:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> George: for reference, this is my translation table: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/src/railtype_definitions.pnml 13:26:31 <planetmaker> have a good time and see you next year :) 13:26:55 <Alberth> you too, planet maker 13:30:13 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.105.54] has joined #openttd 13:31:08 <George> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/nml--windows-win32.zip is the same as 5100 - is that intended?] 13:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth, planetmaker: the first thing i ever do when getting "internal error" is disable the wrapper that catches the error, so i can actually see the backtrace, and can inspect it with pdb 13:32:47 <Alberth> doesn't -s do the same? 13:33:34 <Alberth> but the problem in this case is that it works here, no stack dump to look at and inspect 13:34:18 <Alberth> even with the stack-dump of george, the only thing you can conclude is that somewhere higher in the hierarchy you're not supposed to get at that line 13:34:47 <Alberth> but that doesn't tell me why the test fails 13:36:49 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.105.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:45 <George> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/nml--windows-win32.zip @ George - the zip is different but files inside are the same as in 5100 13:38:24 <George> Sorry, I have to go, let us return back to it in 2014-th 13:39:38 <George> P.S. Eddi|zuHause - could you explain me how should that work (the *B** and *C** should be in the trackset only, without the vehicle set being aware of them) 13:41:24 *** tparker [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has joined #openttd 13:42:42 <Alberth> George: ok, have a good time, see you next year again 13:46:25 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 13:54:41 <Flygon> Whelp 13:54:44 <Flygon> I just learned something new 13:55:00 <Flygon> Towns complain, even when noise levels are off, if you try to build a third airport 13:55:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:55:49 *** Macha [~Macha@109.76.217.85] has joined #openttd 13:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "max 2 airports" was the behaviour of the original game 13:56:01 <Flygon> It's not possible to uncap that at all? 13:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you can enable noise levels, but set all levels to 0 13:56:41 <Flygon> I have a Metro line that has 3 awkwardly named terminuses, hahaha 13:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> or there's a (hidden) setting that you can tweak 13:56:57 <Flygon> I assume that bypasses the 2 airport cap? 13:57:09 <Flygon> x3 I'll see if I hit capacity constraints 13:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which scales the allowed noise per population 13:57:15 <Flygon> Thank you :) 13:59:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:31 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:55 <Eddi|zuHause> George: that depends on what you try to achieve. the speed of a vehicle doesn't limit which tracks it can use (unless you want to forbid slow vehicles travelling on highspeed rail, which i don't think is a great idea) 14:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> George: so defining all vehicles for *A** should be sufficient 14:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause> George: unless you want to use the vehicle availablility to make the track types available, too 14:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but that approach has problems with compatibility between track sets 14:03:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:48 <Flygon> Annnnd FRISS just megaderped 14:03:57 <Flygon> Could build the 140km/h electrified track... 14:04:00 <Flygon> Annnnnnd now I can't 14:05:24 <George> Eddi|zuHause: I specify track availability by year, not by train available 14:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> George: yes, that's why the vehicle set doesn't care at all 14:06:11 <George> I try achive the following: high speed tracks costs more 14:06:32 <George> so a player should choose the right track and the right train 14:09:43 *** adf89 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 14:09:55 <andythenorth> Alberth: cleanest way to test if a variable is an int or a tuple? 14:09:59 <andythenorth> (could be either) 14:10:17 <Alberth> don't get in that situation 14:10:41 <andythenorth> hmm 14:10:44 <andythenorth> well I'm not yet :P 14:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> George: the railtype translation table is for the vehicle set only, the trackset has no use for it (similar to how the cargo translation table has no use for the industry set). 14:10:52 <andythenorth> I was planning to be though 14:11:16 <Alberth> the idea is that you know what you get at all times 14:11:23 <andythenorth> ok I'll solve it the easy way :P 14:11:28 <andythenorth> it's always a tuple 14:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause> George: as such, the vehicle set can ignore all additional track types that it doesn't directly define vehicles for 14:11:42 <andythenorth> lots of parentheses will now appear in my code :) 14:12:08 <Alberth> lots of commas, I think :p 14:12:26 <Alberth> ie (5) and 5 are both integers 14:12:29 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:40 <George> Eddi|zuHause: And what should be changed in the current code of xussr train set? 14:12:48 <andythenorth> yes, I recall that issue 14:12:52 <andythenorth> doesn't have to be a tuple 14:12:58 <andythenorth> could be a list 14:13:11 <Alberth> (5,) is a 1-tuple 14:13:25 <Alberth> and (,) a 0-tuple :p 14:13:25 <andythenorth> ugly commas 14:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> George: just leave out all *B** and *C** tracktypes, only use *A** 14:13:36 <andythenorth> [1] will do 14:13:40 <Alberth> tuple(5) should work too :) 14:13:47 <andythenorth> hurgh 14:13:49 <andythenorth> worse :) 14:13:51 <George> Eddi|zuHause: I do not have yet 14:14:09 <George> this is the change that planetmaker suggested 14:14:46 <George> see http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/xussrset/repository/changes/src/railtype/railtypetable.pnml 14:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2942/ <-- i'm talking about this change 14:16:58 <andythenorth> wonder how my compile will explode :P 14:17:02 <andythenorth> oh like that :P 14:18:17 <George> Eddi|zuHause: And how do you suggest to change it? 14:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> Alberth: cleanest way to test if a variable is an int or a tuple? <-- "try: iter(blah) catch: it's an integer" 14:18:56 <Alberth> or x[0] 14:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause> George: don't make the 1/2/3 distinction, only have "RL", "ELA", "ELD" and "ELS" [the last one only if you want to make dual-power engines] 14:21:54 <George> what do you mean "do not make"? And what should I do? 14:23:52 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.105.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean like this: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2949/ 14:27:23 <George> compilation fails. The same way as above 14:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> George: that error must be windows specific, i can't reproduce it 15:01:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:02:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:24 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:12:44 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-156.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:48 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 15:33:53 *** Virtual [~Virtual@95.44.116.115] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:40 *** Virtual [~Virtual@95.44.116.115] has joined #openttd 15:49:14 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:14 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:54:06 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.216] has joined #openttd 16:05:17 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 16:09:08 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:42 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:27 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:32 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.75] has joined #openttd 16:18:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:19 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:24 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has joined #openttd 16:21:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 16:22:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:08 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.227] has joined #openttd 16:22:31 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:07 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 16:33:24 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 16:35:05 <Virtual> Don't forget that the New Year is 2013S if you have an iPhone! ;) 16:44:23 *** ggsklg [ggsklg@bzq-79-179-154-200.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:53 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:04 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:02 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:52 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 17:07:50 <Wolf01> good bye, I'll return in the next year ;) 17:08:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 17:16:19 *** Tom_Soft2 [~id@37.140.115.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:01 *** Muharremm [~stylaz@88.234.101.221] has joined #openttd 17:21:39 <Muharremm> EUZUBILLAHIMINEÃÃEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM 17:21:41 <Muharremm> ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÃLAHE ÃLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH! 17:21:57 *** Muharremm [~stylaz@88.234.101.221] has left #openttd [] 17:24:33 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 17:27:05 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:09 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:36:40 <Xaroth|Work> that.. was random o_O 17:40:07 <Rubidium> it doesn't look random to me 17:40:55 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:59 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3DB5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 17:49:24 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:24 *** Macha [~Macha@109.76.217.85] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:49 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:44:17 *** DDR [~kvirc@154.20.134.39] has joined #openttd 18:45:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26190 trunk/src/lang/indonesian.txt (2013-12-31 18:45:07 UTC) 18:45:14 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:15 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 2 changes by abdu354 18:51:12 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 18:53:54 *** adf89 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:59 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:41 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:33:44 *** DDR [~kvirc@154.20.134.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:21 <andythenorth> is it 2014 yet? 19:45:41 <__ln__> nope 19:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it has been 20:14 yet 19:47:25 <__ln__> just over a year until we'll have flying cars and hoverboards 19:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> well we do have cars that know the way, talk to you, keep on the lane autonomously and park automatically 19:52:37 <__ln__> but no mr. fusion 19:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> but way more important about that movie is that for people who watch it now for the first time, the "present" of 1985 is about as far in the past as the "past" of 1955 was when the movie was released 19:58:07 <__ln__> that is indeed a bit alarming 19:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder why they didn't attempt a remake of that movie yet 20:01:57 <__ln__> an interesting idea, especially what years would they choose for past, future, and now. 20:02:25 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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