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00:01:14 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:50 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 00:20:56 <Wolf01> 'night 00:21:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:21:30 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 00:32:15 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 00:32:24 <Tirili> What else except the config file must be changed to enable autorenew for trucks? 00:32:40 <Tirili> Is a whole new game required? Or some newgrfs? 00:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you must change it ingame 00:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> changes to the config file do not alter savegames 00:34:56 <Tirili> But where can I change it ingame? 00:36:04 <Tirili> Ah, found it! 01:10:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:21 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.24/20140207013742]] 01:55:43 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C3E53.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:02:59 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C32EE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:08 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.98.114] has joined #openttd 02:20:11 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:41 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.98.114] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:21 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:34 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:49 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:11:21 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.98.114] has joined #openttd 03:40:01 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:23 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:33 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.98.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:23:12 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C3E53.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 04:41:55 *** KillerByte [~quassel@c-67-160-166-115.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:46:25 *** Randominty [~Randomint@124-171-99-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:46:56 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-72-67.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:03:41 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:28:21 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.8.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD51A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5ADA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:15:24 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:15:25 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44:03 *** Morgan_Freeman [~nagrom@99-194-195-10.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:53:12 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@5ED26A11.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:55:44 <zwamkat> Crew, I've setup a 1.3.3 stable server. (linux) All works just fine. On my client I've crafted a savegame with a few newgrf's. How can I make sure my server has the same newgrfs available as my client? My client can make changes based on the savegame. How do achieve this on my server? I'm not sure I understand the syntax of the console commands. 07:10:49 <planetmaker> zwamkat, you cannot join with a client a server which has different NewGRFs. The server console knows the rcon command content update and friends to obtain content from bananas 07:11:03 <planetmaker> other content you have to manually place in the appropriate dirs of the server 07:11:14 <planetmaker> good morning also everyone :) 07:11:50 <planetmaker> rcon password "content update" 07:12:44 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Console 07:13:45 <planetmaker> https://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_server 07:14:05 <zwamkat> planetmaker: Morning! I know I need matching newgrfs. I was hoping to invoke the 'automatic update' mechanism found in the client, on the server. 07:22:52 <planetmaker> that does not exist in that form for a server 07:23:14 <planetmaker> the server won't load the game, though, if it misses NewGRFs. You'll then quickly notice it 07:44:05 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 07:55:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:13:48 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:20:19 *** Beul [~Andreas@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:24 *** Andreas [~Andreas@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:24 *** Beul is now known as Andreas 08:41:00 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 08:41:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:46:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 08:51:30 <Alberth> moin 08:51:53 <Pikka> tschoin 08:51:56 <planetmaker> moin 08:55:52 <Alberth> maybe we should make a townname newgrf generator service :p 08:56:56 <Alberth> or build it into openttd :D 09:12:04 <Pikka> Alberth: charge tree fiddy, make a fortune! :) 09:12:30 <Alberth> :o good idea :p 09:12:49 <Alberth> perhaps as funding for devzone :) 09:12:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:14:17 <planetmaker> hm, Alberth that's an idea. Might be easier than a general "upload nml+lng files" 09:15:40 <planetmaker> https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/upload-test/ <-- I've started this so far. But it's not yet quite safe to use for the general public 09:16:02 <planetmaker> upload of an nml file and graphics in a zip and another with the lang files is needed there 09:16:43 <Alberth> interesting 09:16:56 * Alberth likes the cloud with rain :) 09:17:14 <planetmaker> :P 09:29:15 *** Elyon [~elyon@0x52b41996.static.bcbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:33 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 09:48:45 <fonsinchen> Moin 09:51:07 <planetmaker> moin 09:51:24 <planetmaker> so... time to upload the final versions of the entrances for the titlegame competition :) 09:54:25 <fonsinchen> Nothing new from me. I'll stick with what I've already uploaded. 09:54:37 <planetmaker> :) 09:55:17 <planetmaker> updating screenshots also always blocks my machine... flashing the screen with titlegames till all are gathered :D 09:56:32 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:02 <Alberth> titlegame movie! 09:59:43 <planetmaker> the way it appears here on screen it's more suitable to cause epileptic seizurse :D 09:59:51 <planetmaker> flash, flash, flash, flash,... :P 10:00:36 <Alberth> use all cores up raise the framerate :p 10:00:55 <Alberth> s/up/to/ 10:01:10 <planetmaker> :D could actually do that, I guess 10:01:18 <planetmaker> threaded bash scripts... hm :) 10:04:37 <Alberth> smatz once wrote a script for testing whether all #include lines are needed, it also runs g++ in parallel 10:05:31 <Alberth> perhaps make -j6 is the easiest solution :) 10:06:30 <planetmaker> maybe that would work, yes, but so far it's very simple: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3093/ 10:06:40 <planetmaker> and I don't run it terribly often :) 10:07:00 <planetmaker> http://xkcd.com/1205/ <-- applies :D 10:08:34 <planetmaker> with yearly repetition and time to shave off being in the order of 5 minutes. Hm... 10:08:37 <planetmaker> 25 minutes? 10:09:08 <Alberth> it omitted the fun factor :p 10:09:10 <planetmaker> ah, for 5 years. So yeah :) 10:09:14 <planetmaker> true :) 10:09:51 <Alberth> oh, zbase too 10:09:57 <planetmaker> yes, everyone 10:10:05 <planetmaker> only fair, I think 10:10:17 <planetmaker> and there is meanwhile a substantial amount of players who seem to use it, I think 10:10:51 <planetmaker> NightGFX surely is more for the sake of completeness, IMHO. But then, doesn't really hurt to generate 10:11:58 <Alberth> I should try that one time, all screenshots look just totally black with some yellow in it to me, no idea if it's playable 10:12:17 <Alberth> probably only when it's dark outside :) 10:12:40 <planetmaker> summary pages aren't generated yet as it still uploads... You'll see it conveniently when upload finished and triggered web page generation :D 10:17:53 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:46 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:50:07 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:50:08 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:46 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:56:11 *** TheStevens [~lachlan@14-200-254-27.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:03:19 <planetmaker> hm... all savegames and screenshots are a whopping 700MiB 11:03:38 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/titlegame/round1/ 11:04:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:01 <TheStevens> do the default and cargo-specific spritegroups need to be in a particular order in the graphics block to work correctly? 11:07:56 <planetmaker> not that I know. 11:08:11 <planetmaker> is JapaneseSet on the roll again? :) 11:09:09 <andythenorth> o/ 11:10:23 <TheStevens> supplementary question, would defining a recolor sprite for a cargo label through the default graphics option somehow override the cargo-specific entry? 11:11:53 <planetmaker> I don't understand that question 11:12:35 <planetmaker> but if you define an entry for a cargo in the action3, then that is assumed the grapics decision path for that cargo and it probably should also be able to return a real sprite 11:12:50 <planetmaker> thus I expect it to override the defaults 11:13:29 <planetmaker> thus I'd not expect the branch to be taken, if you have a cargo-specific branch already 11:13:43 <TheStevens> nor would I 11:13:46 <planetmaker> and the recolour sprite being ineffective... but... dunno 11:14:20 <Alberth> hi hi andy 11:14:20 <TheStevens> I am 99.9% sure I'm doing something stupid 11:14:46 <TheStevens> this is probably the one time I've found NFO to be simpler to get working. 11:19:32 <TheStevens> and yes. 11:19:36 <TheStevens> I was doing something stupid 11:20:04 <TheStevens> note to self: make sure you're point to the right realsprites before doing anything else. 11:23:41 *** skyem123 [~skyem123@cpc1-walt4-0-0-cust432.13-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:38 *** Elyon [~elyon@0x52b41996.static.bcbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:39:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:40:50 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@ip-82-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f743c58.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:25 *** Tuiq [~tuiq@46-159.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:05:51 <Tuiq> Quick question: Do I need to install libsdl or compile ottd myself to get it running as a dedicated server on Linux? -D still seems to require libsdl and all forum posts are years old 12:07:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A317.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:06 <LordAro> i'd expect so 12:09:13 <LordAro> morning all, btw :) 12:10:14 <frosch123> Tuiq: if you compile yourself, use "./configure --enable-dedicated" to compile without video backends like sdl 12:10:25 <frosch123> if you use the prebuild binaries, you will need sdl 12:10:35 <Tuiq> I'm always afraid of compiling stuff myself on Linux 12:10:54 <Tuiq> (wasn't there a time when dedicated were offered too?) 12:10:58 <frosch123> i would be afraid on compiling stuff myself on other platforms than linux :p 12:11:18 <frosch123> i think that time ended 2008 or so 12:11:40 <Tuiq> Yeah well, seeing that I've played around 2007/2008, that sounds acceptable 12:12:07 <Tuiq> Back then, everything was better!1 12:13:01 <frosch123> hmm, i think nightgfx is slightly mislabeled 12:13:37 <frosch123> all windows in factories are lighted, while only few ones are lighted in normal houses 12:13:48 <frosch123> so, it's obviously during working hours 12:14:13 <frosch123> during a solar eclipse or so 12:14:19 <Rubidium> then it must be winter in a nordic area 12:14:20 <frosch123> for polar nights there is not enough snow 12:14:34 <Tuiq> global warming 12:15:00 <Rubidium> frosch123: as if there is enough snow in Sochi for winter olympics 12:15:17 * Rubidium wonders when the winter olympics are hold in the Malediven or so 12:15:40 <frosch123> i wouldn't notice :p 12:16:09 <LordAro> :D 12:16:30 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:17:09 <Tuiq> I've heard Qatar has been nominated 12:17:26 <Pikka> we could probably do one here 12:17:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:51 <Wolf01> o/ 12:17:53 <Pikka> 36 degrees tomorrow 12:18:25 <TheStevens> joyous 12:19:29 <Rubidium> Pikka: Celsius or Fahrenheit? 12:19:38 <Pikka> Kelvin 12:19:41 <Pikka> no, celcius. 12:19:44 <Tuiq> Kelvin doesn't use degrees 12:19:51 <planetmaker> ^ :) 12:19:58 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26338 /trunk/src (main_gui.cpp viewport.cpp) (2014-02-15 12:19:46 UTC) 12:19:59 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5908]: Don't redraw the link graph overlay if it's empty (MJP) 12:21:20 <Pikka> possibly angular, then 12:21:29 <LordAro> so, when is MJP getting added as a developer? ;) 12:21:30 <Pikka> or longitude 12:22:27 <planetmaker> lattitude? 12:22:43 <Pikka> platitude? 12:22:44 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E53.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:00 <TheStevens> dem parallels 12:23:42 *** Morgan_Freeman [~nagrom@99-194-195-10.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:45 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:29:12 <Tuiq> as I've expected, compiling openttd is a pain 12:30:08 <frosch123> "apt-get build-dep openttd" sounds easy to me 12:30:42 <Tuiq> there's no build-dep package 12:30:52 <Tuiq> oh 12:30:55 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest118 12:30:56 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 12:31:06 <Tuiq> brr 12:32:00 <Tuiq> except I don't have root access myself on that server, so apt-get is kind of not available 12:32:18 <Rubidium> then how would you install other dependencies of OpenTTD? 12:33:34 <Tuiq> ... ideally they would already have been installed! That's how much of an optimist I am 12:33:48 <fonsinchen> You could compile them all manually and install them into your home. That IS a pain, though. 12:34:15 *** Elyon [~elyon@0x52b41996.static.bcbnet.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:34:55 *** Morgan_Freeman [~nagrom@99-194-195-10.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:55 <TheStevens> unknown property name: default_cargo_type. hm. 12:36:10 *** Guest118 [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:41 <frosch123> sounds like you installed nml 0.2 and try to compile source meant for nml 0.3 12:37:30 <planetmaker> Tuiq, can you compile and run in a chroot? 12:37:54 <TheStevens> how have I not noticed this before now 12:37:56 <Tuiq> I have no idea what a chroot is 12:38:10 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the first question is whether he even may start a chroot (AFAIK it requires root access) 12:38:23 <planetmaker> hm, might be 12:38:36 <planetmaker> Tuiq, a pseudo-root environment 12:38:48 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:56 <Tuiq> I'm just a parasite on that vserver, I don't have any root power whatsoever 12:39:07 <Rubidium> schroot doesn't require root, but... must (AFAIK) be configured as root 12:39:39 <Tuiq> Let's see if I can compile it on a vm and then upload it 12:39:51 <FLHerne> Tuiq: chroot essentially says 'ok, pretend [arbitrary directory] is root' 12:39:52 <Tuiq> Yeah, I'd need a valid VM first. I've ruined this one. 12:40:27 <Tuiq> I guess I'll have to wait until the guy with (real) root rights comes back 12:40:34 <Tuiq> At this point I'm somewhat more inclined to just install libsdl though 12:42:07 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:49 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:09 *** bolli [~b011i@88.223.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:15 <bolli> Hola 12:43:35 <frosch123> ciao 12:43:58 <bolli> Is there a known desync issue with the current beta? (1.4.0 beta4) 12:44:44 <frosch123> there are rumours about unknown desync issues 12:45:05 <fonsinchen> We're always very curious about reproducing those. If you can help us in any way, please do. 12:45:09 <bolli> Well, I've got an issue whereby I get desynced after about 2 minutes... 12:45:31 <bolli> https://gist.github.com/sambol/b40392457d643e1ec223 12:46:32 <planetmaker> I saw a desync the other day on coop's stable/testing server, too 12:46:49 <fonsinchen> That bollibackup.sav would be quite interesting. 12:46:50 <planetmaker> was it fixed that a faulty newgrf can cause them? 12:47:13 <planetmaker> I'm still unsure what about the nuts desync issue 12:47:49 <fonsinchen> frosch123 did something about newgrfs randomly changing vehicle capacity. It's not proven that this is the reason for any real world desync, though. 12:47:57 <bolli> http://bolli.org.uk/bollibackup.sav 12:48:00 <bolli> lnock yourself out 12:48:03 <bolli> *knock 12:48:18 <fonsinchen> Thank you 12:48:37 <frosch123> the capacity issues was with the 2cc set 12:48:46 <planetmaker> fonsinchen, iirc that added an error - but does it mean that the game would stop? 12:49:32 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:37 <frosch123> planetmaker: unless it causes the game to crash, that 2cc issue is capable of causing desyncs 12:50:00 <planetmaker> so I can still have desyncs with the "right" NewGRF(s)? 12:50:18 <frosch123> the fix is not in beta4, is it? 12:50:32 <planetmaker> ah, that might be 12:50:38 <fonsinchen> It's r26317 12:50:44 <planetmaker> but I'm very sure we don't use 2ccts on stable server 12:51:57 <fonsinchen> And the capacity change will now be ignored and cause a warning if done from the wrong place. 12:52:50 <planetmaker> as does length 12:56:06 <fonsinchen> The desync isn't obvious, but the save is relatively small. I'll create a bugreport from it. 12:56:21 <bolli> thanks 12:56:37 <bolli> Its stopped happening after leaving the server idle for a while and rejoining 12:57:47 <frosch123> i would think that's the usual case for desyncs 12:58:38 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 12:58:44 <MJP> hi 12:58:49 <frosch123> moin 12:58:52 <bolli> ok 12:59:22 <frosch123> hmm 1400 already, and i still was not shopping 13:00:04 <planetmaker> I luckily did that last evening :) 13:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i counted, it was 2014 13:00:36 <frosch123> no shopping past 2000 here 13:00:46 <fonsinchen> In 1400 you don't go shopping anyway. 13:01:11 <frosch123> well, light signals are introduced in 1492 13:01:37 <fonsinchen> Columbus did it. 13:05:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:11:50 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@5ED26A11.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:00 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:22:00 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:21 *** skyem123 [~skyem123@cpc1-walt4-0-0-cust432.13-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye!] 13:31:59 *** APTX [~APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:2ff:ffff:fe00:1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:30 *** Randominty [~Randomint@124-171-99-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 13:35:31 *** Andreas [~Andreas@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:19 *** welshdragoon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:53 *** APTX [~APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:2ff:ffff:fe00:1] has joined #openttd 13:48:38 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:17 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:26 *** Afdal [~chatzilla@host-174-45-212-205.chy-wy.client.bresnan.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:33 <Afdal> So... 13:54:40 <Afdal> I'm having an issue where 13:54:51 <Afdal> clicking the "find servers" button in multiplayer 13:54:58 <Afdal> seriously messes up my router 13:55:12 <Afdal> Such that I have to restart it to fix my connection 13:55:18 <Afdal> Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before? 13:55:54 <Afdal> I have not experienced this with any other game, but I believe this has been an issue for me for quite some time now, I just didn't realize until now exactly what it was. 13:56:33 <Afdal> Probably been happening as far back as 1.3.0 13:57:46 <Rubidium> if your router can't handle it, then your router is broken 13:58:02 <bolli> What model of router? 13:58:23 <Rubidium> OpenTTD already limits the amount of traffic it sends out because of such broken routers, but apparantly your one is even more broken 13:58:48 <Afdal> A Linksys WRT54GS 13:58:58 <Afdal> But why is it only OpenTTD though? 13:59:06 <Afdal> And it happens on Linux too 13:59:12 <Rubidium> anyhow, limiting it even more will make the showing the list extremely slow 13:59:13 <Afdal> so it's very specific to OpenTTD itself 13:59:37 <Afdal> Showing the servers is actually pretty quick, what happens is it 13:59:53 <Afdal> messes up my connection speed and causes me to disconnect every30 seconds or so afterwards 13:59:54 <Rubidium> we only have a list of servers as: IP + port, the rest is gathered from the actual game servers itself 13:59:57 <Afdal> It's really bizarre 14:00:16 <Rubidium> apparantly your router can't handle sending out a small packet to all those servers 14:01:22 <Rubidium> then the servers will reply with their name and some game statistics 14:01:47 <Afdal> I don't have this happen with any other game server browsers though D:> 14:02:14 <Rubidium> because with those the "master server" of that game is gathering all information and sends that in one stream to you 14:02:55 <Afdal> by what causes the router to go loopy 14:03:01 <Afdal> unable to recover until I reboot it? 14:03:19 <Afdal> This keeps going after I close OpenTTD and such 14:03:43 <Afdal> Only after a network guy came over to do some maintenance on my hardware 14:03:46 <LordAro> if it continues after OTTD is closed, it's definitely a hardware issue 14:03:51 <Afdal> did I realize it was the router and more specifically OpenTTD 14:04:06 <Rubidium> so... basically: with other games you have a HTTP/FTP download with all the data from their master server. With OpenTTD the master server is more like a torrent tracker, and the different servers send you the actual data 14:04:08 <Afdal> But only OpenTTD causes it @_@ 14:05:55 <bolli> Have you actually tried anything that behaves similar to openttd? 14:06:33 <bolli> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=545379 14:06:34 <Afdal> uh 14:06:38 <bolli> that looks similar 14:06:40 <Afdal> well I don't have any trouble using torrents 14:07:24 <Afdal> That does sound like the same issue though 14:07:39 <Afdal> Lemme try running a torrent right now just to be sure 14:08:18 <Rubidium> it will probably only trigger if you get data from over 200 different uploaders 14:08:30 <Afdal> Why that number? 14:08:47 <Rubidium> just a guestimate 14:09:16 <Rubidium> but there are about 250 server, and that number slowly increases over time 14:09:43 <Rubidium> arguably long long ago you didn't have the problem, so I guestimate that must've been before we had 200+ servers 14:09:51 <Afdal> ah 14:10:04 <Afdal> yeah once upon a time this definitely wasn't an issue 14:10:18 <Rubidium> because the design has not changed since it was introduced 14:10:26 <Afdal> So it's an old hardware limitation of my router possibly? 14:10:50 <Rubidium> well, maybe it's just inefficient firmware 14:10:56 <Afdal> Has anyone else ever brought up an issue like this? 14:11:24 <Rubidium> yes 14:11:39 <Afdal> Is it mostly recently? 14:11:44 <Afdal> after that 200+ was reached? 14:11:54 <Rubidium> back then we changed it from: query all servers at once to: query them slightly more slowly 14:12:22 <Afdal> Is there a way I can test this 14:12:30 <Afdal> like... 14:12:48 <Afdal> modifying something 14:12:53 <Afdal> to slow down the query rate? 14:13:27 <Rubidium> src/network/network_gamelist.cpp 14:13:39 <Afdal> Gotta compile it myself though huh 14:13:42 <Afdal> Well... 14:13:50 <Afdal> What all do you need to compile OpenTTD? 14:14:08 <Rubidium> see the wiki page on compiling for your platform 14:14:57 <frosch123> apt-get build-dep openttd 14:17:14 <Rubidium> anything I can quickly find regarding that issue was more than 5 years go 14:17:46 <Afdal> hmmph 14:19:25 <Tuiq> I'm a bit confused about content managing on dedicated servers... 14:19:53 *** Elyon [~elyon@0x52b41996.static.bcbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:20:10 <Afdal> Well thanks for the help Rubidium 14:20:20 <Afdal> I didn't expect anyone to have any insight into this 14:22:19 <Afdal> I wonder if there's a setting on my router I can change to fix this 14:22:34 *** Andreas [~Andreas@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:00 <bolli> I doubt it 14:23:20 <Afdal> :( 14:23:20 <bolli> Looks like its running out of memory... 14:23:31 <bolli> Get a better router? 14:23:35 <Tuiq> Do I have to use `content` to install stuff? Can't I just upload the .tars to content_download? 14:25:24 <bolli> I found the easiest way is to run "content select all" then "content download" 14:25:33 <Afdal> Well I guess I'll try upgrading the firmware first 14:25:39 <Afdal> I don't think I've ever done that 14:27:02 <LordAro> Tuiq: you can, but it's not recommended 14:27:13 <LordAro> is there a reason you can't use the ingame stuff> 14:27:13 <LordAro> ? 14:27:33 <Tuiq> I don't exactly fancy grepping 3500 lines to get 5 ids 14:27:52 <LordAro> ..why do you want to do that? 14:28:09 <Tuiq> I don't understand Bananas 14:28:10 <Tuiq> at all. 14:28:28 <LordAro> What's not to understand? 14:28:40 <Tuiq> I would expect that if I download something on my client, then upload said content_download to the server, that the server has downloaded it too 14:28:51 <Tuiq> but that's not the case 14:29:03 <michi_cc> MJP: Is there a reason (besides lazy-ness ;) why you didn't try to unify the drawing code in your zoom out to smallmap-like patch with the real smallmap drawing code? Having very similar code twice isn't really something we're fond of, and maybe the smallmap could also profit from the 32bpp improvements. 14:29:21 <LordAro> Tuiq: if you copy the folder to the server, it will work 14:29:32 <LordAro> as long as you've put it in the right palce 14:29:47 <Alberth> you may have to restart the program or press "rescan files" 14:29:48 <Tuiq> LordAro: Well, then ottd isn't loading it 14:29:58 <Tuiq> It's loading some file, a town replacement grf, but not the other stuff 14:30:24 <Alberth> stuff isn't loaded until it is needed for a game 14:30:51 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.8.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:30:58 <LordAro> what's the output you're seeing which shows the other files aren't being read? 14:31:22 <Tuiq> There's no output at all; the client doesn't show the content however 14:31:34 <Tuiq> In this case, it's a bunch of station addons - industrial renewal for example 14:32:40 <planetmaker> content update 14:32:44 <planetmaker> content select all 14:32:47 <planetmaker> content download 14:33:15 <Tuiq> Alright 14:33:19 <Tuiq> It's wiping the [newgrf] section 14:33:37 <planetmaker> for savegames the newgrf section of your cfg is totally irrelevant 14:33:45 <Tuiq> It's not a savegame 14:33:54 <Tuiq> ... openttd -D doesn't load a savegame, does it 14:34:06 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:07 <planetmaker> no, not unless you specify one 14:34:11 <Tuiq> yeah, I don't 14:34:12 <MJP> michi_cc, it was my first patch, at that time, having something that worked was awesome by itself. then the drawing style of the smallmap is quite "specific" with the 4 colours blocks... tbh I have not look inside the smallmap for a long time, maybe there is possible deduplication but I don't remember of any 14:34:26 <Tuiq> I copy [newgrf] from my client to my server and the server deletes the section 14:34:42 <michi_cc> Tuiq: Client is Windows and servier Linux? Change \ to / then 14:34:48 <Tuiq> oh. 14:35:15 <Tuiq> That's it 14:35:26 <Tuiq> Thanks! I'm not going to question why it worked for one of the GRFs... 14:40:15 <michi_cc> MJP: Last time I looked at it (many moons ago) I seemed to me that many functions are very similar in structure and mostly only differ because the smallmap is drawn differently. Unifying would probably mean unifying the drawing styles. I don't think it would hurt the viewport if the area redrawn is bigger than the dirty rect, which means the smallmap blocks could maybe be kept. 14:43:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:08 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@8JQAAF5HS.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:29 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:38 <bolli> hmm 14:58:41 <bolli> another desync 14:58:47 <bolli> http://bolli.org.uk/commands-out.log 14:58:51 <bolli> no save this time :( 15:00:00 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@8JQAAF5HS.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:51 <Afdal> Is there perhaps a way to browse servers without using the client? 15:01:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r26339 trunk/projects/openttd_vs90.sln (2014-02-15 15:01:32 UTC) 15:01:46 <DorpsGek> -Revert (r26305): Accidental changes to the VS9.0 solution file disabling the x64 build. 15:02:31 <Alberth> Afdal: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers ? 15:03:22 <Afdal> heh 15:03:23 <Afdal> thank you 15:04:32 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:09 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 15:10:22 <fonsinchen> bolli: Just a shot in the dark ... What operating system are you using? 15:11:49 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:12:14 <bolli> win 7 15:12:40 <bolli> server is on Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS 15:13:23 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:13:54 <fonsinchen> Could you attach any additional info to the flyspray task? https://bugs.openttd.org/task/5912 15:14:46 <fonsinchen> It's a good idea to have logs available from client and server. 15:15:53 <bolli> I've tried making the client log 15:16:08 <bolli> starting it with -d desync=1 doesn't produce a log 15:17:15 <frosch123> -d desync=2 15:17:26 <bolli> ok, set to 2 15:17:29 <frosch123> it writes the log into the autosave fodler 15:17:34 *** chrswk [~ch.rswk.n@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 15:17:49 <bolli> ahhh 15:18:02 *** chrswk [~ch.rswk.n@213.188.53.45] has quit [] 15:18:02 <frosch123> actually -d desync=3 is max 15:18:04 <planetmaker> bolli, when I try to obtain more debug info, I usually do the following 15:18:19 <planetmaker> rcon set debuglevel desync=3 15:18:27 <planetmaker> rcon save desync_start 15:18:30 <frosch123> but that creates a savegame every few seconds, and fills your disk :p 15:18:32 <planetmaker> rcon load desync_start 15:18:49 <planetmaker> that way it ensures that there's a defined starting point from which a desync can be traced 15:19:18 <planetmaker> mind the order to first set debuglevel, then (re)load the savegame 15:19:49 <bolli> If I get it to the point that it happens repeatedly, I will do 15:19:59 <bolli> I've added logs now:https://bugs.openttd.org/task/5912 15:20:02 <planetmaker> well, also helps when it happens sporadically 15:20:08 <planetmaker> or especially then :) 15:20:17 <planetmaker> but you will need to have sufficient disk space available 15:20:32 <planetmaker> and clean the autosave folder upon loading a new map 15:20:38 <planetmaker> if nothing happend 15:20:58 <planetmaker> especially sporadic desyncs are hard to track and require this patience 15:21:43 <bolli> Yeah, disk space is a premium on the server 15:21:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:21:52 <bolli> hmm 15:22:02 <bolli> desync level 2 appears to have crashed the game 15:22:11 <planetmaker> hm? 15:22:30 <bolli> or stopped it from responding at least 15:23:16 <bolli> http://gyazo.com/6a1a15829088a39a7a86e2601a1d6f9f 15:25:46 <planetmaker> hm 15:26:16 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:32:26 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:00 <frosch123> hmm, some animal farm produces lots of "discarding persistent storage changes" 15:37:10 <frosch123> i wonder what that is 15:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andy being andy, probably :p 15:40:25 <frosch123> it's ecs though 15:40:50 <Eddi|zuHause> then it's George being George :) 15:41:06 <planetmaker> :D 15:41:25 <Afdal> I like the change from LAN/internet 15:41:32 <Afdal> to Advertised: Yes/No 15:41:44 <Afdal> That's a big clearer 15:41:46 <Afdal> bit 15:41:55 <frosch123> blame pm 15:42:32 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 15:44:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:45:02 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 15:50:45 <planetmaker> uhm... :P 15:50:52 <planetmaker> did I really suggest LAN/internet? 15:57:59 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:13 *** welshdragoon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:12:39 *** Afdal [~chatzilla@host-174-45-212-205.chy-wy.client.bresnan.net] has left #openttd [] 16:14:58 *** bolli [~b011i@88.223.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:51 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g226165111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:17 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:22:52 <Alberth> seems the other way around http://webster.openttdcoop.org/?channel=openttd.dev&date=1368835200 16:26:56 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@e179189089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:37 <planetmaker> :D 16:33:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:31 *** Ailure [~xxx@81-234-70-203-no41.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:17 *** Ailure [~xxx@81-234-70-203-no41.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 16:36:13 <planetmaker> STR_NETWORK_SERVER_LIST_CAPTION :{WHITE}Multiplayer 16:36:13 <planetmaker> STR_NETWORK_SERVER_LIST_ADVERTISED :{BLACK}Advertised 16:36:13 <planetmaker> STR_NETWORK_SERVER_LIST_ADVERTISED_TOOLTIP :{BLACK}Choose between an advertised (internet) and a not advertised (Local Area Network, LAN) game 16:36:15 <planetmaker> hm 16:36:28 <planetmaker> so it's possibly just not instable :) 16:37:10 <planetmaker> s/instable/in stable/ 16:39:35 <Alberth> I didn't look there, should have started there of course :) 16:39:42 <planetmaker> yes, stable branch has it still different 16:39:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:40:07 <Alberth> paying tribute to its name :) 16:40:15 <planetmaker> but afdal is not here anymore, so won't learn that his suggestion is done already for long :D 16:44:58 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@dd5765bac.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:48:01 *** Morgan_Freeman [~nagrom@99-194-195-10.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:53:04 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@dd5765bac.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:33 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g226165111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@ns.sdr.org] has joined #openttd 17:17:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:39 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@201.47.8.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:19:00 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@201.47.8.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [] 17:23:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:12 <andythenorth> "take poll here" http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&start=3420 17:30:39 <Pikka> take two and call me in the morning 17:30:52 <andythenorth> if symptoms persist, stop using 17:31:21 <andythenorth> lo pikka 17:31:31 <Pikka> hello 17:31:54 <andythenorth> did you finish it? 17:32:21 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:23 <Pikka> for given values of "finish" and "it". and "did", probably. 17:34:47 <Wolf01> http://englishrussia.com/2014/02/15/metro-rail-tram-system-for-a-tiny-village-in-siberia/ nice 17:34:55 <andythenorth> I didn't finish it :) 17:36:12 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:37 * andythenorth is in a bored patch 17:36:46 <andythenorth> I have been prescribed curry and wine 17:36:52 <andythenorth> a proven solution 17:37:02 <planetmaker> curry and wine? Sounds like a solution to a lot of things :) 17:37:16 <planetmaker> but not a solution for weight watchers :P 17:37:50 * andythenorth will go and test it 17:37:52 <andythenorth> bye 17:37:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:40:34 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:04:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:15 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:31 *** l4u [~l4u@124.217.186.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:50 *** Zuu [~Zuu@ns.sdr.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:26 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:42 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26340 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2014-02-15 18:45:33 UTC) 18:45:43 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:44 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 4 changes by Phreeze 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by wojteks86 18:45:46 <DorpsGek> serbian - 11 changes by Suleiman 18:51:07 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-72-67.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:47 <planetmaker> hm... is admin port also available in single player? 18:54:41 <Alberth> seems unlikely to me 18:55:42 <planetmaker> I guess I want to hack it then to run fast-forward in multiplayer :) 19:05:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:47:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 19:47:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:27 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:29:23 *** Elyon [~elyon@0x52b41996.static.bcbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:56 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:38 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.16.122.22] has joined #openttd 21:10:30 <Tirili> How can I fly Food to other airports? I need an airport, that HAS food waiting yet, but how do I get one? 21:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause> food will pile up if you build the airport near a food processing plant, and send a vehicle to pick it up 21:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> (and deliver raw materials to that plant) 21:12:55 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.8.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:04 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 22:09:47 <frosch123> night 22:09:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f743c58.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:19:02 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:22:14 *** namad8 [aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:01 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:37 *** l4u [~l4u@124.217.186.22] has joined #openttd 22:35:34 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:43 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 23:08:14 <LordAro> i... i just segfaulted gdb 23:08:48 <planetmaker> he 23:08:57 <planetmaker> gdb gdb blah ? :) 23:09:04 <LordAro> yeah, done that :) 23:09:57 <LordAro> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3097/ 23:11:07 <Wolf01> 'night 23:11:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:13:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:46 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:21:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:12 <Tuiq> Hm. Does it make a difference where I put the locomotives in a train? 23:42:59 <LordAro> no, iirc 23:47:00 <planetmaker> depends on newgrfs :) 23:47:16 <planetmaker> might just be that it depends on date 23:47:37 <planetmaker> on full moon or february 29th you get 15% extra power. But 5% less max speed. maybe :) 23:47:53 <planetmaker> except when it's the 13th 23:52:18 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd