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quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:18 <dihedral> good morning 08:07:27 <Xaroth|Work> o/ 08:11:51 <Supercheese> Amazing what sort of havok a simply obiwan error can wreak... 08:11:57 <Supercheese> simple* 08:14:32 <planetmaker> moin 08:16:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:22 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-94-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:28:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:10 *** Andreas [~Andreas@c118116.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:55 *** l4u [~l4u@124.217.186.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:48 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-72-67.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:54:55 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:16 *** DDR 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14:25:28 * MNIM flees for the satan moose. 14:29:36 <MNIM> domain would suggest finnish, but google can't make heads or tails of it 14:30:18 <__ln__> SpComb: it is, northern sami. 14:30:47 <SpComb> my tax money q_q 14:31:06 <MNIM> what's it about, anyway? apart from satan moose, I suppose 14:32:09 <SpComb> it's someone paying the government media monopoly many monies to produce content for the third official minority language spoken by perhaps 10k people or something, of which perhaps a dozen have internet connections, and those who do, probably understand finnish anyways 14:32:26 <SpComb> [citation needed] 14:33:31 <MNIM> ahah. 14:33:55 <__ln__> MNIM: reindeer owners are testing reflecting spray paint to make reindeers more visible, to avoid traffic accidents. 14:34:15 <MNIM> ahah. 14:34:23 <MNIM> explains satan moose, I suppose. 14:34:55 <__ln__> SpComb: it's the first official minority language. 14:35:22 <MNIM> Sure to make them stomp on the brakes and reverse in terror, I suppose, so it would make it safer for the reindeer. :P 14:40:07 <__ln__> who would be afraid of a friendly little reindeer 14:43:54 <MNIM> well, when that friendly little reindeer has demonic glowing eyes and antlers... 14:45:55 <SpComb> friendly reindeer butt through your windshield at 80km/h 14:46:34 <SpComb> they are very optimally structured, with low-mass supports holding the main mass at a suitable height 14:47:24 <SpComb> and then somebody goes and builds a road right through their living districts 14:48:35 <__ln__> you realize that their living district is tens of thousands of square kilometers, right 14:50:09 <__ln__> bigger than the netherlands 14:50:30 * MNIM shrugs 14:50:36 <MNIM> finland is bigger than the netherlands 14:50:39 <MNIM> considerably so 14:50:56 <__ln__> yes, but there aren't reindeers in the whole of finland 14:51:14 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.134.143] has joined #openttd 14:58:14 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.80.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:44 *** 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has joined #openttd 18:42:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f742678.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26352 /trunk/src/lang (3 files in 2 dirs) (2014-02-17 18:45:17 UTC) 18:45:27 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 7 changes by R2dical 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> marathi - 20 changes by rbarde 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> turkish - 8 changes by wakeup 18:54:27 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3870.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AE57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:23 *** Haube [~michi@77-21-133-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 19:36:49 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 19:36:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:42:06 *** KritiK 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<Alberth> do you connect all industries? 20:42:07 <Supercheese> I usually play small maps, 512x512 or less, so I'll often have everything connected if it's 256x256 or 512x256 20:42:27 <Alberth> rule of moar doesn't hold for map-size apparently :) 20:42:28 <Supercheese> for full 512², I often stop playing before everything is conencted 20:43:05 <Supercheese> but yeah, I do not subscribe to the hueg map size philosophy 20:43:24 <Supercheese> fast forward speed goes all to crap at higher map sizes 20:43:40 <Supercheese> and autosaves start taking longer and longer 20:44:03 <Alberth> I agree, bigger than about 512x512 tiles is mostly useless 20:44:05 <Supercheese> plus you'll never even touch some parts of the map 20:44:11 <Supercheese> :S 20:44:26 <Supercheese> and Av8 range kills your planes ;) 20:44:55 <Alberth> I recently started 512x1024, but it soooo laarge !!! 20:45:00 <Alberth> I don't use planes 20:45:21 <Supercheese> I always end up using zeppelins, because zeppelins are awesome 20:45:22 <Alberth> airport throughput isn't big enough :) 20:46:56 <Supercheese> use international airports, their throughput seems highest 20:47:47 <Supercheese> or commuters if you're pressed for land area 20:48:06 <Supercheese> but then small planes only... 20:48:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:25 <Supercheese> I haven't played with vanilla planes in so long I don't even remember what their capacities are 20:49:43 <andythenorth> Alberth: it's ok, most players are wrong, so whatever they favour is probably wrong ;) 20:50:24 <Alberth> :) 20:51:02 <Alberth> I am an industrial cargo mover, as they have nice cargo chains 20:51:23 <andythenorth> I usually play 'Basic' 20:51:28 <andythenorth> anything else makes my head hurt 20:51:42 <V453000> dying 20:51:58 <andythenorth> everything is... 20:53:36 <V453000> I iz reviving nuts naow 20:53:47 <andythenorth> just delete 50% of it 20:53:52 <V453000> LOL :D 20:53:53 <andythenorth> then declare it 'done' 20:54:01 <V453000> I dont do your approach andythenorth :P 20:54:06 <Supercheese> O_O 20:54:25 <frosch123> ah, so the poll was about what to delete 20:54:30 <andythenorth> I am considering binning about one third of Squid right now 20:54:37 <andythenorth> because the graphics aren't done, or aren't right :P 20:54:37 <V453000> :D:D:D:D: 20:54:41 <V453000> .D 20:55:01 <andythenorth> closing ticket as 'no longer valid' is my favourite resolution 20:55:09 <V453000> perfect! :D 20:57:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 20:59:24 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:59:25 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:58 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3870.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:30:13 <andythenorth> hmm 21:30:18 <andythenorth> how to unpick a fucked up hg repo? 21:30:24 <andythenorth> I had local changes, uncommitted 21:30:27 <andythenorth> then I went back a rev 21:30:29 <andythenorth> then another 21:30:41 <andythenorth> now I have hideous merge conflicts trying to get to tip 21:30:46 <andythenorth> a *lot* of them 21:31:11 <Wolf01> 'night 21:31:15 <planetmaker> hg up again the revs 21:31:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:31:23 <planetmaker> and commit / or shelve the changes 21:31:48 <planetmaker> it's generally a bad idea to update to another rev with uncomitted changes, though 21:31:53 <andythenorth> indeed 21:32:03 <andythenorth> I need to learn to use shelve 21:32:15 <andythenorth> maybe I just bin my changes in this case 21:32:52 <planetmaker> hg diff > file ? 21:33:09 <andythenorth> that's probably what I'll do 21:33:15 <andythenorth> then manually put back anything useful 21:33:26 <andythenorth> it wasn't compiling with the changes anyway :P 21:33:34 <andythenorth> the reason I went back was to see if previous rev compiled 21:34:05 <andythenorth> bad move :) 21:34:13 <planetmaker> hard to check with uncomitted changes 21:34:16 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 21:34:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth, instead of shelve you can also simply commit 21:34:39 <planetmaker> and then go back the revs. 21:34:53 <planetmaker> and then update to tip again. continue to modify. and use hg commit --amend 21:34:54 <andythenorth> I don't like committing broken :( 21:34:59 <andythenorth> oh, amend :) 21:35:17 <andythenorth> or dump it on a branch 21:35:18 *** Lizz [~Lizz@blk-89-196-21.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 21:35:29 <planetmaker> make your default phase as secret 21:35:50 <planetmaker> [phases] 21:35:50 <planetmaker> new-commit = secret 21:35:57 <planetmaker> ^ in ~/.hgrc 21:36:12 <planetmaker> then the new commits by default are not pushed. Unless you change phase to draft or public 21:37:11 * Alberth makes another clone instead of shelving 21:38:46 <planetmaker> that's actually not a bad idea at all ^ 21:39:13 <Rubidium> patch queue? 21:39:46 <Alberth> the downside is that you end up having 30 copies of the openttd repo :p 21:40:23 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-4d00d184.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:30 <planetmaker> that doesn't really matter. hg works on filesystems which support it with file system links 21:40:43 <planetmaker> thus everywhere except on windows 21:41:25 <Alberth> as usual :p 21:42:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AE57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f742678.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:55 *** Haube [~michi@77-21-133-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:47:57 <Alberth> good night 21:48:29 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:54:49 <andythenorth> meh 21:54:59 <andythenorth> FIRS supplies are a boring way to grow industry production 21:55:14 <andythenorth> at least until planes are available 21:55:17 <andythenorth> "Something must be done" 21:56:02 <frosch> build trams 21:56:06 <frosch> no aircraft 21:57:01 <frosch> maybe increase the amount of supplies produced and needed 21:57:11 <frosch> so mass transport becomes more viable 21:57:19 <frosch> instead of silly planes 21:57:21 <andythenorth> it makes routing really fiddly and boring 21:57:27 *** Lizz is now known as Lisbon 21:57:58 <andythenorth> and primary industry clusters, which makes it even worse :) 21:58:10 <andythenorth> have to build loads of reverse feeders to distribute supplies :( 21:58:15 <frosch> that makes trams just more viable 21:58:37 <frosch> farm clusters are a tram paradise 21:58:54 <frosch> it's actually the part i enjoy most about firs 21:58:58 <andythenorth> oic :) 21:59:04 <andythenorth> happy to help 21:59:05 <frosch> it's "different" to the usal 21:59:11 <andythenorth> unless you just really hate the rest of FIRS :P 21:59:45 <andythenorth> oops 21:59:46 <frosch> i played years with transporting mass cargo 21:59:55 * andythenorth gets spanked by lack of python deep copy 21:59:58 <andythenorth> again 22:00:02 <frosch> farm clusters are an extension to that 22:00:25 <planetmaker> I agree with frosch there. Supply chains for farm(cluster)s are a part which I quite enjoy with firs 22:00:40 <Xaroth|Work> andythenorth: qoi? 22:00:59 <Xaroth|Work> python has deepcopy :| 22:01:26 <andythenorth> Xaroth|Work: yes, but you have to use it in your code 22:01:28 <andythenorth> I didn't :P 22:01:53 * Xaroth|Work shrugs 22:03:12 <andythenorth> hmm 22:03:22 <andythenorth> someone has profiled and found a list comprehension is speedy 22:03:59 <Xaroth|Work> the entire reason of list comprehension :p 22:04:09 <Xaroth|Work> make simple for loops faster 22:05:20 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:10 <frosch> night 22:15:13 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-4d00d184.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:16:38 <andythenorth> Pikka: so I am trying CivilAI 22:16:50 <andythenorth> but oopsie, I forgot I can't bulldoze competitor roads :) 22:17:57 <andythenorth> now I can't build my canal :D 22:27:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:40 <Andreas> just forcefully close him andythenorth, then you can XD 22:32:04 <Andreas> or cheat to change company XD 22:33:43 <andythenorth> :) 22:36:52 <planetmaker> g'night 22:40:16 <andythenorth> bye 22:40:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 22:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm wtf? i just moved a file, it disappeared at the old location, but didn't appear at the new location 22:44:58 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:43 <Supercheese> You must've been using a socks proxy, the kind of socks that disappear in the laundry machine 22:48:00 <Supercheese> Where do the socks go, nobody knows... 22:48:25 <Andreas> I saw a picture of an ecaping soch caught in action a few days ago 22:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> there must be a parallel dimension where always new socks appear 22:48:39 <Andreas> *sock 22:48:55 <Andreas> it was halfay behind the filter 22:58:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:01:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@83.96.177.35] has joined #openttd 23:23:08 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 23:27:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:33:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:26 *** Andreas [~Andreas@c118116.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:21 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.26.197.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:30 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:49:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@83.96.177.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 23:50:07 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.139.121.99.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:54:58 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.134.143] has joined #openttd