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00:13:49 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 00:16:57 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:40 *** Kjetil_ [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:59 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:14 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 01:39:19 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:39:25 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@e178249088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:45:41 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:32 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052207062.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:48:28 <Supercheese> Ugh, I need to go back and add accusatives to all cargoes 01:48:34 <Supercheese> :( 01:52:27 <Supercheese> Why didn't I do that in the first place... 01:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what the hell do you need those for? 01:53:40 <Supercheese> In a few places 01:53:53 <Supercheese> especially "no longer accepts {CARGO}" 01:54:21 <Supercheese> I could flip to passive 01:54:21 <Supercheese> {CARGO} is no longer accepted 01:54:21 <Supercheese> but then I'd need ablative on the station name... 02:00:36 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: lucky_, Sacro, maddy_, efess, Fuco, lugo, Vadtec, Pereba, theholyduck, retro|cz, (+89 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 02:00:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: peter1138, George, Sacro, Prof_Frink, KenjiE20, abchirk_, Hazzard, retro|cz, Kjetil_, Aristide (+36 more) 02:00:48 *** Netsplit over, joins: Sanfred_ 02:00:48 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+vvo tokai|noir glx peter1138] by reticulum.oftc.net 02:00:48 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, @orudge, EyeMWing, XeryusTC, Twofish, LordAro, SmatZ, lobster, jonty-comp, TrueBrain (+42 more) 02:01:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 02:01:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 02:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> so if a {STRING} were to insert an adjective instead of a noun, german would need cases 02:05:14 <Supercheese> if German nouns don't need to change based on case, then yeah they're not required 02:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> at least i can't quickly find a noun that changes on case 02:05:57 <Supercheese> but I seem to need at least genitive accusative and dative on cargoes for Latin... 02:06:23 <Supercheese> since station names do not have cases available 02:06:40 <Supercheese> and thus should stay nominative if at all possible 02:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the welsh translation wanted cases for town names, which was pretty much impossible to fulfill 02:07:38 <Supercheese> yeah I would love to have cases for town names for Latin 02:07:47 <Supercheese> it's very difficult without at least the locative 02:07:53 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-228-182.dsl.telepac.pt] has 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[~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 13:23:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 13:35:47 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:12 <V453000> Ammler: YEAH 13:58:12 <V453000> :D 13:58:16 <V453000> And^ :) 13:58:19 <V453000> asdf 13:58:24 <V453000> andythenorth isnt in channel 13:58:25 <V453000> what a traitor 14:01:35 <peter1138> what a tractor 14:02:14 <V453000> . 14:03:05 <peter1138> should i play a game of ottd? 14:03:55 <V453000> you dont play openttd? 14:04:43 <peter1138> no 14:07:09 <V453000> easy answer thenz 14:08:23 <peter1138> Hmm, lots of NewGRF updates. 14:09:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:08 <peter1138> Should've fix that NewGRF preset system to use just GRF IDs... 14:12:10 <peter1138> +ed 14:13:34 <peter1138> When did kerning support get added? I'm sure I wrote a patch for that years ago but never did anything with it. 14:26:17 <planetmaker> peter1138: a button like 'update preset' would be nice. Instead of automatic updates. 14:29:57 <V453000> that would be amazing 14:30:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C448.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:46 *** Zarkhgard [~Zarkhgard@151.236.21.167] has joined #openttd 14:33:11 <peter1138> Apparently I don't have all the old NewGRFs installed, so just having the filename is useless. 14:34:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C448.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:36:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C448.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C448.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:38:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:38:21 *** Zarkhgard^ [~Zarkhgard@151.236.21.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:09 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:48:20 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 14:49:10 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [] 14:53:36 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:54:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C448.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:33 <peter1138> Hmm, multistop docks... 15:18:51 <peter1138> Can't remember if I got that to work... 15:20:28 <peter1138> Heh, just found my patch for aforementioned preset change, heh 15:23:39 *** krinn [~krinn@129.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:46 <krinn> o/ 15:24:05 <krinn> I have "tried" add eints support, but ^^ where can i see the result? 15:28:48 <krinn> ok found url, but what are invalid ? -> https://translator.openttdcoop.org/project/gs-awards 15:33:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "invalid" means it doesn't understand the string parameters 15:34:12 <krinn> and i don't understand that :) 15:34:50 <krinn> is there a way to "see" what is causing problem ? 15:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause> (Invalid) STR_INFO_0 : With {NUM} vehicle{P "" s} <-- did you declare the plural type? is {P} after the parameter correct or do you need to specify {P:0}? 15:37:41 <krinn> in no lang file i declare the plural form, it just works in openttd as-is 15:39:39 <krinn> and look at it in french.TXT : STR_INFO_0 : Avec {NUM} véhicule{P "" s} 15:39:51 <krinn> and it doesn't complain for anything in french.txt 15:41:09 <krinn> That's planetmaker's fault ! he suggest me to use eints, forgetting i'm a kick ass bug finder ! 15:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it works in openttd, but eints may be a tick stricter 15:41:42 <krinn> it should complain for the same reason in french.txt if it was that strict no ? 15:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea, i'm just guessing things 15:43:05 <krinn> reject ones cannot be edit by users ? 15:49:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:56:29 <krinn> I must go, but for debug help : check STR_AWARD_OWN_MULTI reject in english good in french and both use {P x y} 15:57:00 <krinn> later guys 15:57:10 *** krinn [~krinn@129.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: must rush out] 15:58:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:58:24 <andythenorth> tra la la 15:58:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C448.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:07:50 <Xaroth|Work> your singing scared him off, andythenorth 16:09:59 <planetmaker> lalalala :) 16:10:18 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: are you trying to start a war here? 16:10:27 <planetmaker> of course the lang file headers need to declare the plural and gender forms. lalalala :) 16:10:59 <planetmaker> nah, there's enough war out there. I don't need one here. 16:11:09 <planetmaker> Anyone who wants one, can go and find one 16:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> # i'm covering my ears like a kid 16:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> # when your words mean nothing i go lalala 16:27:02 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 16:34:30 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:19 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 16:43:51 <Phreeze> evening 16:58:22 * Phreeze is sticking panini stickers into the stickeralbum. sticky. 16:59:47 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood how people can fall into this ripoff scheme 17:09:30 <Phreeze> collecting 17:09:34 <Phreeze> :) and fun 17:21:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A48E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:54 <__ln___> http://news.sky.com/story/1231155/inmarsat-how-missing-flight-mh370-was-tracked 17:43:54 <Terkhen> hello 17:44:00 <andythenorth> lo Terkhen 17:46:11 <andythenorth> V453000: maybe weâre doing it wrong :( 17:47:03 <Pinkbeast> andythenorth: you're doing it right from where I am 17:47:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:47:21 <andythenorth> forum posters disagree 17:47:25 <andythenorth> as does the FIRS poll 17:47:43 <Phreeze> speaking of ? 17:48:42 <andythenorth> making things better 17:48:56 <andythenorth> players who post in the forums are pretty strong advocates of making things worse 17:49:37 <Phreeze> they sometimes don't know the backgrounds 17:49:42 <Phreeze> *often 17:49:48 <Pinkbeast> andythenorth: Welp I enjoy your sets, as you know 17:50:34 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-87-15.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:51:17 <andythenorth> lo Pikka 17:51:24 <Pikka> lobob 17:51:33 <Pinkbeast> j0 17:51:44 <Pikka> nice weather we're having for the time of year 17:51:52 <andythenorth> not for me 17:51:56 *** rubenwardy [~rubenward@host86-144-211-58.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:52:06 <Phreeze> now yes 17:52:17 <Phreeze> this morning we had -3.5.... 17:52:22 * Pinkbeast would settle for "not actually a bastard headwind" 17:52:23 <Pikka> what be the haps? 17:52:57 <Pikka> it's been raining here, and it's currently 22c at 4am. Winter is coming. 17:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> who cares about weather when you can sit in front of your computer? 17:54:10 <Phreeze> 22c -> winter -> lol 17:54:23 <Phreeze> winter is back here.... -3 today, but +15 on saturday.... 17:54:36 <Phreeze> 4 seasons in 1 week 18:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, typical april weather :) 18:01:11 <Pinkbeast> As long as there are not leaves on the line. 18:01:13 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:01:17 <andythenorth> Pikka: you need to make your sets more realistic 18:01:23 <Pikka> I do 18:02:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:02:34 <Pikka> that got rid of him 18:02:49 <Pinkbeast> Pikka: In particular there should be no livestock after Beeching oh no wait 18:08:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A48E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:45 *** Zarkhgard [~Zarkhgard@151.236.21.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:16 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3214.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-16-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should make a guide how to handle andy 18:19:12 <Phreeze> ? 18:20:57 <planetmaker> hm :) 18:21:59 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:36 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:14 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A72A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:41 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 18:30:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A72A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A72A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:02 *** APTX_ [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 18:41:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00ba40.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26427 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2014-03-25 18:45:09 UTC) 18:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:18 <DorpsGek> catalan - 160 changes by juanjo 19:21:59 <Pikka> livestock is a silly cargo anyway ;) 19:23:06 <planetmaker> especially in times of scrapie and mad cow disease ;) 19:25:25 <NGC3982> Silly? 19:25:29 <NGC3982> Boulderdash! 19:25:40 <Pikka> with default industries, at least 19:26:01 <Pikka> two cargos which go from the same industry to the same industry 19:26:07 <Pikka> at least one of them is redundant ;) 19:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause> remove farms from the game. "realistic" food comes out of the supermarket anyway 19:27:48 <planetmaker> soylent green anyone? 19:28:00 <planetmaker> new colours available on request 19:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> soylent yellow sounded way more delicious 19:30:15 <planetmaker> so, soylent yellow for you? 19:34:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:23 <rubenwardy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLeO_CtQmbQ&list=UUnt-X59WdLWjSNM5diQ4wmg 19:34:34 <rubenwardy> g 19:35:49 <planetmaker> I really wonder why people keep finding cyclotrons useful 19:36:17 <planetmaker> you also should learn about auto-completion of signals, rubenwardy ;) 19:36:36 <rubenwardy> The drag thing? 19:36:53 <rubenwardy> I use it normally. Don't know why i didn't then 19:38:01 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39:07 <planetmaker> rubenwardy, imho it also misses any explanation as of what a cyclotron is and why one would want to build one in the first place 19:39:17 <planetmaker> and then why one shouldn't build one at all ever 19:39:31 <planetmaker> (it jams and can f*** your whole network) 19:40:04 <frosch123> maybe cyclotrons try to mimik aircraft holding pattern 19:40:26 <frosch123> for those who don't like airports :p 19:40:42 <planetmaker> somewhat they do... but without the height levels :) 19:41:29 <frosch123> maybe trains get robbed when they stop 19:41:57 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:39 <planetmaker> proper pre-signaling can also ensure that trains from a side line will join the main line at full speed - even if they waited in stand-still on the side line for a proper gap in ML trains 19:43:52 <planetmaker> it's fiddly. But possible 19:44:15 <rubenwardy> cyclotrons are more of a gimic for me. I don't use them in serious games 19:47:30 <Kjetil_> hm. I guess the runnings cost for a train should be different if it actually moving 19:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> you can do that 19:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but it has hardly any influence in the big picture 19:49:17 <planetmaker> Kjetil_, a number of NewGRFs do so. But as Eddi said: makes no difference really 19:52:55 <V453000> is there a way to have a wagon which would define length (and articulation) based on leading engine? E.g. have one master wagon which would look as two articulated 4/8 with train A, and as one intact 8/8 with train B 19:53:00 <V453000> I guess that isnt possible right 19:53:06 <Kjetil_> then the cost difference isn't large enough :P 19:53:27 <Pikka> length, yes, articulation, no 19:54:24 <frosch123> V453000: number of articulated parts is fixed upon purchase 19:54:36 <frosch123> heqs does invisible articulatred part to shorten stuff 19:54:36 <V453000> I thought so 19:55:03 <V453000> well utterly theoretical is to have 3/8, 2/8 and 3/8 articulated and use sprites accordingly 19:55:12 <V453000> but that is functionaly w.e.i.r.d 19:55:29 <V453000> my aim is to have one ultimate wagon which could connect to any train but the articulated thing is making it quite tough :D 19:55:40 <V453000> I guess the 3+2+3 would look strange in curves etc 19:57:15 <frosch123> cets does that stuff 19:57:24 <frosch123> i guess a lot sets actually do 19:57:32 <frosch123> more articulated parts than visible 19:58:04 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs78237230.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 19:58:14 <frosch123> a 3+2+3+ vehicle does not look any different to a 8/8 one, if only the middle part has a sprite 19:58:40 <frosch123> you only need to be careful with dragging in depot 19:58:58 <frosch123> which does not completely support articulated vehicles yet 19:59:06 <frosch123> it only draws the first part at the mouse cursor 19:59:20 <frosch123> but ofc, you can also make a patch for ottd for that :p 19:59:53 <V453000> exactly, I am worried about the depot part 20:00:22 <V453000> 3+2+3 could easily handle my requirements visually ... not sure about the 2x4/8 but definitely the 8/8 20:01:30 <frosch123> well, there is var 10 to distinguish depot/vehicle list from map 20:01:37 <Pikka> 1+2+2+2+1, obviously. :) 20:01:45 <frosch123> so you can specify different sprites for the gui anyway 20:01:54 <V453000> OH 20:02:08 <V453000> so I could define depot sprites the way so that the first dragged vehicle is visible 20:02:16 <frosch123> yes 20:02:28 <frosch123> you can also put text on depot vehicles :p 20:02:30 <V453000> amazing 20:02:36 <V453000> yeah I do that already 20:03:10 <V453000> hm 20:03:26 <V453000> 1+2+2+2+1 sounds great too 20:03:54 <V453000> if edge 2s get the 4/8 it means in a long chain it is 2 gap, 2 wagon, 2 gap, ... which should look okay in curves 20:04:00 <frosch123> it affect curve speed limits ofc :p 20:04:07 <V453000> that is what I just thought of 20:04:10 <V453000> which will cause wtf :D 20:04:21 <planetmaker> why do the short wagons need articulation? 20:04:38 <V453000> planetmaker: to keep 8/8 total 20:04:45 <V453000> autoreplaceable 20:04:53 <V453000> +convenient upon purchase, less clicking 20:05:23 <planetmaker> wouldn't then articulation in units of the shortest wagon make sense? 20:05:29 <planetmaker> which is... 4/8? 20:05:34 <planetmaker> or is it 2/8? 20:05:38 <V453000> 4/8 20:05:49 <planetmaker> so 2-vehicle articulation to get 8/8 20:05:52 <V453000> but I want an ultimate wagon which can look like 8/8 and 4/á at the same time 20:05:55 <V453000> yes that is done currently 20:06:06 <V453000> so for 8/8 I need a center part for sprites 20:06:17 <V453000> and for 4/8 I need two in the middle-ish 20:06:24 <V453000> 1+2+2+2+1 fits that perfectly 20:07:21 <planetmaker> look like 8/8 and what at the same time? 20:07:40 <V453000> like 8/8 with engine A 20:07:48 <V453000> like 2x4/8 with engine B 20:08:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:14 <V453000> same item 20:08:21 <planetmaker> hm, I see 20:08:48 <frosch123> we need a notation for visible and invisible parts :p 20:08:53 <V453000> :D 20:08:54 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: do you have one already? 20:08:55 <alluke> hopefully the new 2cc set will support railcar wagons 20:09:08 <frosch123> 1+[2]+2+[2]+1, 1+2+[2]+2+1 20:09:11 <planetmaker> 1i-2v-2i-2v-1i 20:09:16 <V453000> exactly frosch 20:09:26 <planetmaker> 1i-2i-2v-2i-1i 20:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i had no need for that yet 20:09:30 <V453000> y 20:09:36 <V453000> im going to try to do that 20:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, which part is visible depends on some factors 20:10:56 <andythenorth> wt? 20:11:01 <andythenorth> wtf even? 20:11:07 <andythenorth> what have I stumbled into? ;) 20:11:08 <Pikka> why not? 20:11:12 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth :) 20:11:23 <planetmaker> you've stumbled into an invisible discussion :P 20:12:33 <Pikka> who said that?!? 20:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't see anything 20:13:53 <frosch123> andythenorth: we only try to get V to work, after we all bashed him on the forums :) 20:14:29 <andythenorth> we bashed V? 20:14:50 <andythenorth> I missed that 20:14:53 <V453000> V will get to work tomorrow :P 20:14:57 <andythenorth> can I join in? 20:15:15 <V453000> bashing was insufficient but Pikka reminded me that I wanted to get rid of the complex fit wagon to correct engine puzzle in the purchase menu 20:15:22 <andythenorth> Pikka: itâs shameful that authors have an opinion 20:15:23 <V453000> having one ultimate wagon was my dream a long time ago already 20:15:43 <andythenorth> I really wanted to troll in that thread 20:15:52 <andythenorth> but I figured I just piss off the mods :P 20:15:53 <V453000> you are welcome to do so still andythenorth :D 20:16:01 <Pikka> andythenorth: well, the parameters of the discussion are "things which are annoying to players" 20:16:10 <Pikka> if you don't mind annoying players, have as many opinions as you like ;) 20:16:25 <frosch123> andythenorth: i legitimately gave two issues which annoy me about nuts :p 20:16:37 <andythenorth> I have the opinion that the vehicles in my RV set are all wrong 20:16:46 <andythenorth> I shall fix that 20:17:00 <frosch123> oh, i missed the obvious one 20:17:15 <frosch123> most annoying are authors who want to change their set all the time to something cmopletely different 20:17:31 <frosch123> or who think that 3 vehicles should be enough for everyone 20:18:07 <V453000> frosch123: XD 20:18:08 <V453000> LOL 20:18:18 *** rubenwardy [~rubenward@host86-144-211-58.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: You may notice this notice is not worth noticing] 20:20:06 <andythenorth> frosch123: 3 vehicles is 1 too many 20:20:15 <andythenorth> universal engine, universal wagon 20:20:20 <andythenorth> engine has upgrades 20:20:48 <andythenorth> wagon auto-refits but it checks the current date against a grf-local lookup table of a lunar cycle on a fictional planet 20:21:23 <andythenorth> auto-refit is allowed for liquid cargos if moon is waxing, and for all other cargos if waning, except in June 20:21:27 <andythenorth> when it reverses 20:21:32 <andythenorth> and leap years, when it inverts 20:21:53 <andythenorth> engine stats âupgrade' constantly 20:22:02 <andythenorth> but may regress 20:22:32 <andythenorth> I just need a name for this set 20:22:42 <andythenorth> I thought of NUTS, but I think itâs taken :( 20:22:56 <V453000> LOL 20:22:58 <andythenorth> 3CC? 20:23:12 <Pikka> perfect 20:24:48 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has joined #openttd 20:25:08 <andythenorth> imagine 20:25:17 <andythenorth> what if we *collaborated* :o 20:25:26 <andythenorth> maybe we could make a set with just no vehicles? 20:25:33 <V453000> well then! I will try to start coding it tomorrow (: thanks for the input guys ... I am just afraid that I will run into some "out of IDs" or "too many switch results" thing 20:25:35 <V453000> but lets see 20:25:44 <V453000> gnight (: thanks 20:29:59 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:48 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 20:45:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:47 <Wolf01> /o/ ... \o\ ... /o/ 20:47:31 <andythenorth> hrm 21:11:27 <NGC3982> :( 21:12:44 <planetmaker> V453000, out of IDs? you really need 64k? :P (well... 8k for articulated) 21:13:05 <planetmaker> or was it 16k for articulated? 21:14:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A48E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> 16k i believe 21:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> CETS can grow about 4 times bigger before i run into trouble 21:31:23 <Phreeze> lol found that thread about bad features xD 21:33:22 <frosch123> usually people who start a thread take offence on replies 21:33:31 <frosch123> it's a new thing that it is the other way around :p 21:34:32 <andythenorth> not unusual for purno 21:36:53 <frosch123> no idea, he's one of the guys whose profile says thousands of posts, but i cannot remember seeing any of them 21:37:07 <frosch123> some people only post in areas i do not read :) 21:40:23 <planetmaker> he used to be active drawing. But that's long ago. 21:40:40 <planetmaker> His replies in that thread are typical for recent times 21:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> which thread are you talking about anyway? 21:41:58 <frosch123> the thread of the day 21:44:01 *** davidstrauss [~quassel@2001:4800:7813:516:62f:ce48:ff05:1b82] has joined #openttd 21:44:39 <planetmaker> the one which could also be titled "I never will apply as ambassador" :P 21:44:47 <davidstrauss> Is there a way to configure the replacement of existing vehicles with the existing type without using a deep, advanced option? 21:45:14 <davidstrauss> Often, vehicles get too old before any newer tech is available. 21:45:28 <planetmaker> you mean like autorenew instead of autoreplace? 21:45:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A72A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:54 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autorenew#Autorenew 21:46:27 <davidstrauss> planetmaker: I'm aware of that option. It just seems like there should be a better, more discoverable way. 21:46:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A72A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:46:53 <planetmaker> then you'll be disappointed 21:47:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26428 /trunk/src (fios_gui.cpp lang/english.txt) (2014-03-25 21:47:07 UTC) 21:47:14 <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#5953]: Load button for heightmap list 21:48:51 <planetmaker> davidstrauss, afaik that setting is active by default. So it would not need adjustment 21:49:18 <frosch123> i am quite sure it isn't :) 21:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> davidstrauss: do you have a suggestion how that would be better available? 21:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i would be surprised if that is on by default 21:50:35 <planetmaker> ok :) 21:50:41 <planetmaker> why actually isn't it? 21:51:07 <planetmaker> if breakdowns are on, autoreplace with reasonable money safety margin probably should be on :) 21:51:14 <planetmaker> err... autorenew 21:51:22 <davidstrauss> Eddi|zuHause: It would work fine for me if the same technology were available in "replace vehicles." 21:51:44 <davidstrauss> Eddi|zuHause: The tool already allows you to configure replacement purchases if the technology is different. 21:52:09 <planetmaker> I guess that makes sense 21:52:23 <davidstrauss> Obviously, it wouldn't make sense to allow using the "replace all" option with the same tech, but "replace old" would be useful with the same tech. 21:53:07 <Eddi|zuHause> there was an ancient topic about combining both features, so you could do "replace this vehicle to that vehicle when old" 21:53:23 <frosch123> that went into trunk :p 21:53:41 <frosch123> anyway, we could convert the current setting into a default setting for the autoreplace dialog 21:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played for several years, i might have missed some features :p 21:54:06 <frosch123> i.e. new engines either default to "no replacement" or "replace with same when old" 21:54:26 <frosch123> similar as for the non-stop setting and such 21:55:02 <frosch123> that way people do not need to know about the setting, and can click all engines in every game one by one :p 21:55:11 <planetmaker> :) 21:55:17 <planetmaker> 25% would 21:55:23 <davidstrauss> Would be helpful, too, if there were a clear way to get to the "replace vehicles" dialog from the old vehicle warning. 21:55:40 <planetmaker> that's more difficult, I think :) 21:56:11 <frosch123> yeah, we have no clippy :) 21:57:52 <davidstrauss> Well, OpenTTD has the in-your-face half of Clippy without the next-steps part. ;-) 21:59:33 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 22:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> "looks like you're trying to build a railway line, can i help you with that?" 22:00:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "looks like you're trying to build a cyclotrone. there's not going to be any benefit of that, you should stop-" .p 22:01:51 <davidstrauss> But the cyclotrone is the fastest transportation option yet! 22:02:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:02:32 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A72A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:04:28 <frosch123> "you ar eusing a terrible train set - click here to see how to improve on it" 22:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so... the thread is basically "YOU DARED CRITICISING MY SET?!?!" 22:08:31 <alluke> hah....historical flags on 2cc set 22:09:23 <alluke> nazi flags would cause incredible amount of butthurt 22:16:58 *** Starlight [~chatzilla@80.202.82.36] has joined #openttd 22:17:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A48E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you could get in real trouble for those 22:23:17 <planetmaker> yes, I would not like my servers being confiscated on grounds of propagating or showing nazi symbols 22:23:45 <alluke> real trouble? 22:23:46 <planetmaker> And I guess no-one would want that here. It would hurt many people ;) 22:23:48 <planetmaker> real trouble 22:23:58 <planetmaker> like police shutting down and I getting sued 22:24:13 <alluke> do you live in north korea? 22:24:13 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 22:24:27 <planetmaker> I live in Germany. And nazi symbols are illegal here 22:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try to argue it's for historic/educational/artistic content 22:24:39 <alluke> hah 22:24:46 <planetmaker> yes, that would be my defence. But... not worth the trouble 22:25:04 <alluke> funny since more people was killed in ussr 22:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> because technically, they're only illegal if you use them to identify yourself with such groups 22:25:13 * andythenorth -> bed 22:25:19 <planetmaker> g'night andythenorth 22:25:19 <alluke> double moralism fuck yeah 22:25:21 <andythenorth> before inevitable Godwin 22:25:25 <planetmaker> :) 22:25:35 <andythenorth> sometimes you can smell one in the air 22:25:54 <planetmaker> I'm sure it already slammed-down hard 22:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a big legal battle a few years ago over an icon where someone threw a swastika into a garbage bin 22:26:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 22:26:46 <planetmaker> yeah. Anti-fashists sold those. And iirc they got sued and only won in the 2nd revision or so 22:27:10 <alluke> antifas are total clowns 22:27:15 *** djura-san [~djura-san@djura-san.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:12 <planetmaker> I prefer clowns over murderers 22:28:49 <djura-san> Hi there. I was wondering what is the availability of diesel trains? 22:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on which NewGRFs you use 22:29:15 <alluke> depends on your train set(s) you're using and year 22:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and climate 22:29:55 <djura-san> SO what is the lifespan of dieles trains? 22:30:02 <djura-san> blah, bad keyboard 22:30:13 <planetmaker> 1900 - ever. Quite variable 22:30:32 <djura-san> planetmaker: but will i be able to buy them in 2120? 22:30:52 <alluke> yes 22:31:00 <Eddi|zuHause> with the default set: no 22:31:06 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Train_Comparison 22:31:10 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you switch on "vehicles never expire" 22:31:24 <planetmaker> and what eddi said 22:31:43 <djura-san> but that is like cheating :\\\\\ 22:31:54 <djura-san> dammit, my keyboard is off power, ignore it 22:32:16 <planetmaker> I don't consider that cheating 22:32:27 <planetmaker> It's also not recorded in the cheat menu ;) 22:32:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if it were cheating, it would be a cheat :) 22:32:31 <planetmaker> it's a valid setting 22:33:26 <djura-san> Okay then. SO i can set that up and just use it? With that option on i will be able to use diesel trains for their regular price (for that year) till the end of the time? 22:33:46 <planetmaker> inflation applies, if it's enabled 22:34:18 <djura-san> i believe it is, by default 22:34:32 <planetmaker> but with vehicles-never-expire, they're available till the end of OpenTTD time, yes 22:36:28 <djura-san> planetmaker: why i sid i conider it cheating: i wiiiileave te pc on for the night and generate as much money as i can using current build. Since it is not 2050, i must wait to get to the last upgrades in all vehicles 22:37:09 <planetmaker> I would rather suggest to cheat money, if your real joy is building rather than waiting for income 22:37:34 <planetmaker> it would actually save you real money on electricity 22:37:50 <djura-san> but cheats are recorded forever :> 22:37:59 <planetmaker> so who cares? 22:38:04 <djura-san> true dat 22:38:04 <planetmaker> setting changes, too ;) 22:38:20 <alluke> oh yeaaaah 22:38:27 <frosch123> night 22:38:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00ba40.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:38:30 <alluke> leftists left the government 22:50:02 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs78237230.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:58:24 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [] 23:00:04 <Wolf01> 'night 23:00:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:00:20 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3214.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:00:33 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-167-16.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:00:58 *** djura-san [~djura-san@djura-san.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: goes to :ninjamode:] 23:02:50 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:49:45 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.115.84.222] has joined #openttd