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00:27:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C31D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:30:51 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:52 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:43:38 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.1.167.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 01:04:28 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 01:05:19 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:20 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19:46 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc5-pres9-0-0-cust199.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:37 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:37:54 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 02:39:39 *** kais58___ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:49:04 *** kais58__ is now known as kais58|AFK 03:14:51 *** kais58|A1K [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:33 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:39 *** Extrems1 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 03:28:51 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.1.167.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:45 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:46:49 <Supercheese> FIRS Beer Economy 03:47:42 <Supercheese> Heart of Drunkenness 04:07:04 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 04:08:49 *** kais58|A1K [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:33 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 04:12:00 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:16:02 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.160.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: (._. ) ( ._.) 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[www.adiirc.com]] 04:54:53 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67387.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66157.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:03:11 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:08:38 <V453000> I see the beer has taken severe impact 06:10:09 <Supercheese> Beer is exactly the opposite of a BAD FEATURE 06:10:18 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:19:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:19:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 06:24:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-35-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:28:48 <V453000> :D 06:44:03 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 06:53:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:02:31 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:39:56 <planetmaker> moin 07:40:13 <planetmaker> kein Bier vor vier 07:40:27 <planetmaker> Luckily it's always somewhere after 4 in the afternoon 07:49:11 <peter1139> Morning. 07:49:18 <Xaroth|Work> wait, that rule is for 4 in the afternoon? 07:49:22 <Xaroth|Work> thought it was 4 in the morning :| 07:50:17 <V453000> rock 07:50:40 <Xaroth|Work> V453000: I'm not going to sing Tribute at work. 07:52:47 <V453000> everything is rock 07:54:40 <planetmaker> peter1139, "kein Bier vor vier". In German it rhymes. And translates to "no beer before 4" 07:57:06 <V453000> which makes it an incorrect rhyme 07:57:12 <V453000> it doesnt make sense 07:57:26 <planetmaker> it's not a Czech rhyme, indeed :P 07:57:43 <V453000> point 07:59:00 <peter1139> planetmaker, err... I guessed. Bier is pretty obvious ;) 07:59:52 <planetmaker> :) 08:04:21 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/FPP_.png not nearly final, textures are wrong, but ... (: 08:04:27 <V453000> guess what industry it is 08:04:41 <V453000> wrong channel 08:04:42 <V453000> beh 08:09:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:14:14 <peter1139> Too clean 08:14:29 <peter1139> Also missing ambient occlusion 08:16:35 <V453000> y 08:18:04 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 08:18:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:18:59 <planetmaker> ho hat :) 08:22:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:22:42 <peter1139> What is this, TF2? 08:28:01 <Alberth> moin 08:28:59 <Alberth> just a guess, it's like XY3, but with different letters and numbers 08:30:21 <V453000> team fortress 2 08:30:26 <V453000> no idea what the game is though 08:30:44 <V453000> some different-roles-kill-each-other-type-of-game 08:30:53 <V453000> you can shoot people there. 08:31:33 <Xaroth|Work> python you so silly :| 08:31:39 <Xaroth|Work> having an enum type in the stdlib 08:31:43 <Xaroth|Work> and having that start at 1 08:33:59 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:34:14 <peter1139> V453000, yeah it's that. It also has hats. 08:34:15 <Alberth> ieks :) 08:34:45 <Alberth> ^ Xaroth|Work 08:36:28 <Xaroth|Work> Alberth: which makes what I'm doing even more annoying :| 08:36:32 <Xaroth|Work> I understand why python does it 08:36:36 <Xaroth|Work> ..but I don't agree :P 08:37:04 <Xaroth|Work> (python enums are supposed to be non-false; an enum starting at 0 means the first object evaluates to a false) 08:37:34 <Alberth> makes sense 08:38:03 <Alberth> perhaps you should stop thinking enum values as being numeric :) 08:38:30 <Alberth> ie it's a set of unique values, and that's it. 08:49:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:17 <Xaroth|Work> Alberth: I could; but not with CFFI :P 08:53:05 <Alberth> just add a dict access to map values, in both directions :p 08:53:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:19 <Xaroth|Work> meh, too much effort :p 08:58:34 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:44 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 09:33:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:08 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:48:54 *** fjb is now known as Guest6872 09:48:56 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:40 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:53:38 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 09:55:43 *** Guest6872 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:00 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.212.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:29 *** George|2 [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 10:37:30 *** George is now known as Guest6875 10:37:30 *** George|2 is now known as George 10:37:41 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:42:54 *** Guest6875 [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:14 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:45:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0095a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:14 <frosch123> ottd gets the weirdest spam 10:46:46 <frosch123> should we do some merchaindise plastic trains? 10:49:06 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:50:55 <planetmaker> :) 11:02:41 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had plastic trains as a kid 11:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if they still exist somewhere 11:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that was long before we got legos 11:22:37 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.212.31] has joined #openttd 11:25:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CB3C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:33:10 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:09 <Alberth> we could sell some to you :p 12:05:32 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 12:05:48 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 12:09:26 <peter1139> bah 12:09:42 <peter1139> don't pluralise lego :s 12:10:09 <V453000> ogel 12:10:39 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:56 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 12:17:34 <juzza1> doing svn checkout from svn://svn.openttd.org is very fast, but the connection drops constantly with an error "svn: E185005: Compression of svndiff data failed" and then i have to do svn cleanup and svn update to continue downloading, anyone know how to fix it? 12:17:36 <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3235/ <- while "predefined filters" is kind of generic, it is at least not overly complicated 12:18:02 <frosch123> juzza1: don't checkout everything :) 12:18:15 <frosch123> only checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 12:19:05 <juzza1> ok, is it some sort of throttling mechanism with the server? 12:19:20 <frosch123> no idea, but it would make sense :) 12:19:37 <planetmaker> not that I know. When I did that, it worked 12:19:52 <frosch123> planetmaker: but you likely did not use svn://, but ssh 12:20:17 <Alberth> juzza1: it's just very busy deciding and compressing all data of all releases and branches, probably 12:20:22 <planetmaker> that's true 12:20:45 <planetmaker> juzza1, when you checkout all svn, the version detection on releases fails anyway 12:21:18 <juzza1> ok 12:21:39 <juzza1> didn't realize i can just checkout the trunk, will do that from now on :P 12:21:53 <Alberth> :) 12:22:20 <Alberth> you can checkout any directory 12:23:58 <juzza1> ok :) 12:26:08 <planetmaker> frosch123, I guess that's ok 12:33:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26469 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2014-04-18 12:33:31 UTC) 12:33:38 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5985, FS#5986, FS#5988]: Improve english strings. 12:38:16 <rubidium> juzza1: it's probably the svnserve using too much memory because of checking out everytihng, and then svnserve gets killed because of that 12:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause> dangit, i was so close to 16384 ;( 12:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but i beat my highscore: 157936 12:45:28 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 12:47:04 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: you are much better at that game than i am 12:47:13 <LordAro> i've got a 1024 before :3 12:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> this was the 3rd time i got a 8192 12:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i get 2048 almost every time 12:48:32 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:41 <frosch123> i get bored after 3 turns and then only press in the same direction until it ends 12:48:55 <frosch123> sometimes it takes surprisingly long to end nevertheless 12:49:22 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 12:53:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:55:33 <LordAro> alternatively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKicHOVCaE 12:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> two directions get you almost 95% of the game 12:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in some cases you need a 3rd directions, and if you need a 4th direction you probably lost 13:02:14 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:12 <frosch123> hmm, that was actually a strategy hint 13:11:36 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 13:25:34 <peter1139> :) 13:27:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:19 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:24 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 13:42:15 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:44:56 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/stockyard_x1.png =D 13:45:11 <V453000> bacics of 2 out of 16 industries done :D 13:47:05 <frosch123> hmm, is that a stone construction yard? 13:47:45 <Pikka> yes 13:47:50 <Pikka> where they make stones out of ladders 13:48:00 <V453000> stone mine 13:48:01 <V453000> clear stuff 13:49:09 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:49:21 <frosch123> looks quite nice 13:49:53 <frosch123> but the death plant lacks some piles of unidentifyable stuff 13:49:54 <V453000> lots of details necessary, but as a beginning point it is sufficient :) 13:50:19 <V453000> things will be visible when production starts 13:50:25 <V453000> thing will animate and blood will flow 13:50:41 <frosch123> zerg levels of blood? 13:51:00 <V453000> +- yes 13:58:18 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C33BE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:21 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:58:32 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:06:06 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:18:29 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-150-153-144.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:55 <andythenorth> o/ 14:27:05 <andythenorth> are we all on holiday? 14:27:15 <andythenorth> Pikka doing an egg hunt? 14:27:29 <Pikka> prob 14:28:40 <andythenorth> define that 14:28:46 <andythenorth> everything must be defined 14:29:08 <Pikka> I am a german and what is "fun"? :) 14:30:03 <andythenorth> you are undefinable 14:30:29 <andythenorth> or maybe we should have a poll about tha 14:30:30 <andythenorth> that * 14:30:38 <andythenorth> Pikka: what are you actually *doing* ? 14:30:41 <Pikka> just edit the old one 14:30:46 <andythenorth> and whatever it is, work faster :P 14:31:04 * andythenorth works faster at Facebook 14:31:58 <Pikka> I don't know what I'm actually doing. It's either town houses, writing, or learning Unity 14:33:16 <andythenorth> I am fixing my mess 14:33:24 <Pikka> which one? 14:33:29 <andythenorth> the horse one first 14:33:37 <Pikka> such hoss 14:33:42 <Pikka> define hoss 14:33:46 <andythenorth> I have no idea why a train wonât autorefit to passengers 14:33:55 <andythenorth> it will autorefit to all of its other refist 14:34:00 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 14:34:01 <andythenorth> and from pax 14:34:04 <Phreeze> boo 14:34:06 <andythenorth> but not back to pax :P 14:34:19 <Pikka> gotta grf and a sauce? 14:34:26 <andythenorth> yes 14:34:31 <andythenorth> hang ons 14:34:35 <Pikka> oui 14:34:53 <andythenorth> grf is on fancy bundles server http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/ 14:35:00 <andythenorth> src is nml 14:35:02 <andythenorth> you wonât like it 14:35:13 <Pikka> I can more or less read it, even if I don't use it 14:35:36 <Pikka> what vehicle isit 14:35:41 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/3236/ 14:35:45 <andythenorth> Tin Rocket 14:35:49 <andythenorth> or Slammer 14:36:17 <andythenorth> itâs going to be an embarassing mistake :( 14:37:14 <Pikka> hmm, decimals in a costfactors, how does that work then? :) 14:37:29 <andythenorth> nml deals with it 14:37:31 <andythenorth> like magic 14:37:51 <Pikka> by just truncating it? :P 14:37:56 <andythenorth> probly 14:38:02 <andythenorth> I spose I could call int on it in the formula 14:38:05 <andythenorth> tidy minds 14:38:08 <Phreeze> what's that iron horse again ? ;) 14:38:44 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:16 <Phreeze> btw 14:41:20 <Phreeze> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/docs/html/get_started.html 14:41:28 <Phreeze> download iron horse points to FISH newgrf ;) 14:42:24 <Pikka> well the orders work fine 14:42:36 <Pikka> perhaps it's an OpenTTD bug? :) 14:42:53 <Phreeze> the bug is in the HTML code ^^ 14:43:00 <Pikka> not you 14:43:06 <idl0r> is it possible to remove just a signal? 14:43:17 <idl0r> *just the 14:43:52 <Alberth> yes 14:44:18 <Alberth> press 'r', rectangle turns red, click at signal, it disappears 14:44:38 <Alberth> press 'r' again to switch back to adding signals 14:44:39 <Phreeze> i think that didnt work in original TT 14:44:58 <Alberth> Phreeze: you thought correctly 14:44:59 <andythenorth> Pikka: no such thing 14:45:11 <planetmaker> idl0r, select the normal build tool. Then select the bulldozer icon 14:45:17 <planetmaker> thus works also for signals 14:45:18 <andythenorth> no bugs in openttd :) 14:45:39 <Alberth> planetmaker: hmm, right, that's the official way :p 14:46:07 <idl0r> Alberth: thanks! :) 14:46:13 <Pikka> andy: nice running costs :) 14:46:16 <planetmaker> yours is not less official 14:46:28 <planetmaker> just the shortcut way which requires keyboard :) 14:46:28 <Pikka> sprite offsets still leave a little to be desired :o 14:46:33 <idl0r> planetmaker: but it removes more than just the signal 14:46:51 <idl0r> ah 14:46:56 *** kais58|A1K [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:00 <idl0r> ok, cool 14:47:09 <planetmaker> bulldozer != dynamite 14:47:15 <idl0r> yeah, just noticed :D 14:47:24 <idl0r> thanks to both of you then :) 14:47:31 <planetmaker> :) 14:48:13 <andythenorth> Pikka: sprite offsets are on my âmust doâ list :( 14:48:17 <andythenorth> maybe today 14:48:37 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:53 *** lastleo85 [~lastleo85@117.204.139.249] has joined #openttd 14:49:42 <andythenorth> costs are calculated from power and speed etc 14:49:46 <andythenorth> seems to work 14:52:30 <andythenorth> Phreeze: I fixed the docs a bit http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/docs/html/get_started.html 14:59:06 <Snail> has anyone tried to compile ottd on Mavericks? 14:59:13 <andythenorth> yes 14:59:24 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.1.167.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:59:25 <andythenorth> compiles fine with a bit of faff 15:01:07 <Snail> hmm, I get errors 15:01:33 <Snail> how do you compile, andy? what Iâm doing is to get the trunk from svn, then run â./confugreâ and âmake bundle -j 4" 15:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> would be helpful to see which error... 15:01:57 <Snail> and I get a few warnings first, and then an error 15:02:03 <Snail> well, the text is very long 15:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org 15:02:58 <andythenorth> Snail: are you following the wiki guide for compiling on OS X? 15:03:25 <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Mac_OS_X#Configuring_on_Mavericks 15:03:40 <Snail> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3237/ 15:03:54 <Snail> andy: say, I missed this one 15:03:57 <andythenorth> snail you got latest XCode from app store? 15:04:18 <planetmaker> compilation succeeds. But linking fails: 15:04:20 <planetmaker> ld: warning: ignoring file /opt/local/lib/libz.dylib, file was built for i386 which is not the architecture being linked (x86_64): /opt/local/lib/libz.dylib 15:04:30 <planetmaker> thus you have the libs for the wrong architecture installed 15:04:57 <Snail> ok, let me try one more time 15:06:17 <andythenorth> fwiw I never use make bundle 15:06:18 <planetmaker> basically *every* library is i386 (32bit) while you compile x64 (64bit) 15:06:42 <andythenorth> hmm 15:06:44 <Snail> âWARNING: liblzo2 was not detected or disabled 15:06:45 <Snail> WARNING: OpenTTD doesn't require liblzo2, but it does mean that 15:06:45 <andythenorth> make bundle works 15:06:46 <Snail> WARNING: loading old savegames/scenarios will be disabled. 15:06:47 <Snail> WARNING: We strongly suggest you to install liblzo2." 15:07:00 <Snail> means I wonât be able to load savegames?? 15:07:33 <planetmaker> only some ancient ones not 15:08:17 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:28 <Snail> now I get this? 15:08:30 <Snail> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3238/ 15:09:07 <Snail> Iâm probably missing some developer files⊠where can I get them? 15:09:57 <Snail> bah Iâm missing XCode. No wonder it didnât work 15:10:47 <planetmaker> from Apple you get the sdk 15:11:12 <planetmaker> though 10.9 ships with that sdk, afaik 15:11:13 <Snail> yeah Iâm getting it from the apple store 15:11:24 <Snail> wonder why they donât install it by default with mavericks 15:11:38 *** lastleo85 [~lastleo85@117.204.139.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:39 <planetmaker> why should they? 95% won't need it 15:18:50 <andythenorth> Snail: itâs big :) 15:19:03 <andythenorth> not a good use of bandwidth to install by default 15:19:17 <Snail> well, 2gb is nothing in nowadaysâ terms⊠15:19:36 <planetmaker> 2gb * all apple users is something 15:20:06 <planetmaker> add updates for those 2gb to that. And you have significant traffic costs 15:20:11 <andythenorth> last I heard, it was 1 lump of coal per megabyte 15:20:25 <andythenorth> Apple would have to build a lot more solar to meet their goals :P 15:21:10 <planetmaker> for the same reason we ship openttd without any base sets 15:21:35 <planetmaker> we just offer to also install them, but not necessarily 15:22:42 <andythenorth> Snail: what CPU is in your mac? 15:23:07 <Snail> 2.6ghz i7 15:24:28 <andythenorth> try -j13 15:24:32 <andythenorth> should go faster 15:24:41 <andythenorth> i7 has 4 thread units 15:24:52 <planetmaker> mine has 8... 15:24:59 <planetmaker> depends on which i7 15:25:24 <planetmaker> 4 cores with hyperthreading. Only very few (any?) i7 don't have that 15:25:27 <andythenorth> oh yeah 15:25:34 <andythenorth> mine is laptop class 15:26:40 <andythenorth> planetmaker: you have 8? In a 13â macbook? 15:26:51 <planetmaker> no. on my desktop 15:26:55 <planetmaker> which also is not a mac 15:27:22 <andythenorth> oic :) 15:29:11 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:36 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.160.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:32:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:35 <Snail> I used -j 4 on my old 2006 macbook pro :p 15:32:47 <Snail> that was a Yonah inter core duo... 15:32:59 <Snail> so I figured Iâd use the same here :) Iâll try with 13 next time 15:33:10 <Snail> *intel not inter 15:33:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:28 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 15:38:09 <andythenorth> so does anyone want to tell me where autorefit code lives? 15:38:16 <andythenorth> I have looked, in a half-arsed kind of way 15:39:39 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.160.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leif Eriksson uses AdiIRC. Shouldn't you? [www.adiirc.com]] 15:40:04 <frosch123> economy.cpp and vehicle_cmd.cpp 15:40:31 <andythenorth> ta 15:45:12 <andythenorth> hmm 15:45:52 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:46:02 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:08 <andythenorth> I see nothing in economy.cpp specific to passengers for trains 15:46:19 <andythenorth> I tried moving passengers to a different position in CTT 15:46:24 <andythenorth> still bugged 15:46:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the exact thing you think is a bug? 15:48:48 <andythenorth> vehicle that wonât auto-refit to pax (fixed order at a station) 15:49:05 <andythenorth> I think itâs a bug in my grf 15:49:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i hope it's not road vehicles 15:49:49 <andythenorth> no 15:49:52 <andythenorth> road vehicles works 15:49:58 <andythenorth> sorry, should have stated train 15:50:09 <andythenorth> I see nothing specific to trains in economy.cpp 15:50:11 <andythenorth> for refit 15:50:14 <andythenorth> so must be my grf 15:50:48 <andythenorth> think I found it 15:50:54 * andythenorth crosses fingers 15:53:03 <andythenorth> found it 15:53:21 <andythenorth> yay for reading ottd src :) 15:53:35 <frosch123> what was it? :) 15:53:40 <andythenorth> if (new_cid < NUM_CARGO && new_cid != v_start->cargo_type) { 15:53:59 <andythenorth> L1413 in economy.cpp 15:54:05 <frosch123> mixed cargo types :p 15:54:13 <andythenorth> lead vehicles in IH have 0 capacity, defaulting to pax 15:54:21 <andythenorth> so following vehicles donât refit 15:55:25 <andythenorth> is there a valid null value for default cargo type? 15:55:29 <andythenorth> nml wiki says not 15:57:19 <frosch123> you always need some cargo type, for livery and bus/truck and such 15:57:38 <andythenorth> hmm 15:57:44 <andythenorth> I am puzzled how to fix this in that case :) 15:57:47 <Pikka> andy: why does the lead vehicle not carry the cargo? 15:57:49 <frosch123> in most cases settings the capacity property to 0 (not via callback) will result in treating like no cargo 15:58:17 <frosch123> andythenorth: set capacity property to non-zero, and cb-capacity to 0 helps in almost all cases 15:58:42 <andythenorth> ok I try these 15:58:50 <andythenorth> Pikka: some reason, I forget 15:58:53 <andythenorth> oh graphicses 15:59:00 <andythenorth> loading / loaded states and crap 15:59:11 <Pikka> oh 15:59:22 <andythenorth> I could use switches, but meh 16:00:51 <andythenorth> the 3-part vehicles thing is absolutely not worth the effort 16:01:02 <andythenorth> except that I like to keep Dan happy :) 16:02:32 <peter1139> giggidy 16:08:49 <andythenorth> frosch123: tried your suggestions :) Didnât solve it :( 16:09:01 <andythenorth> I could invent a spurious cargo label 16:09:14 <planetmaker> GEAR? 16:09:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: is the front refittable? 16:09:46 <andythenorth> do I have to read the chart? 16:09:51 <andythenorth> let me see 16:10:02 <frosch123> did you set the same refit-cargo-classes and such? 16:10:37 <andythenorth> it has no refits 16:10:58 <andythenorth> all relevant properties blank 16:12:09 * andythenorth checked the generated nml http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/3236/ 16:12:23 <andythenorth> tin_rocket_switch_cargo_capacity_by_cargo_0 16:12:36 <andythenorth> also item(FEAT_TRAINS, tin_rocket, 1190) { 16:13:41 <frosch123> don't make your life harder, give all artic parts the same refittability 16:14:03 <andythenorth> letâs try that 16:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> why does the front matter for refitting anyway? 16:20:57 <andythenorth> frosch123: setting unified refittability for articulated vehicle -> no change :) 16:21:14 <andythenorth> I would guess from reading code, that as long as front unit is PASS, autorefit will be refused? 16:21:31 <andythenorth> ha 16:21:36 <frosch123> why would your front have a different cargo than the rest? 16:21:37 <andythenorth> one more thing I can try 16:21:55 <frosch123> if all vehicles have the same refittability, the will refit to the same 16:21:58 <frosch123> don't mix cargos 16:22:24 * andythenorth tries enabling autorefit for lead vehicle 16:23:27 <andythenorth> nope, still fails 16:23:30 <andythenorth> hmm 16:23:41 <frosch123> maybe your test method is flawed 16:23:49 <andythenorth> I wondered 16:23:59 <andythenorth> test method is 4 orders 16:24:01 <frosch123> are you changing grf in game or something? 16:24:05 <andythenorth> yes 16:24:14 <andythenorth> but rebuilding vehicle 16:25:20 * andythenorth tries in fresh game - no change 16:25:47 <andythenorth> one more thing I can try 16:29:47 <andythenorth> \o/ 16:29:58 <andythenorth> ok, so if I give lead unit non-zero capacity it works 16:31:21 <andythenorth> I guess I have to rethink 16:33:09 <andythenorth> the fake cargo route wonât work 16:33:23 <andythenorth> unless I define a cargo in this vehicle grf 16:35:50 * andythenorth tries to think up hax 16:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the code is probably overly strict and should be changed 16:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have not looked at what the code actually does 16:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: your argument is wrong. there is nothing in the specs that says "don't mix cargos" 16:38:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:58 <andythenorth> autorefit must care for a reason though? 16:39:09 <andythenorth> it seems arbitrary to just add that otherwise? 16:40:24 <andythenorth> why isnât this check applied to depot refit order? 16:40:51 <frosch123> you could try changing the code to test the first vehicle with non-zero capacity property or something 16:41:25 <andythenorth> or to provide a warning to user? 16:41:35 <frosch123> or you could add checks that declare every grf with inconsistent refittability as deprecated and disable it :) 16:42:26 <andythenorth> I donât like these silently failing orders :( 16:42:36 <andythenorth> seems not-good 16:45:23 <andythenorth> hmm 16:45:39 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 16:46:51 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:08 <andythenorth> frosch123: out of interest (because I might need to change some stuff), why do all units need same refittability? 16:50:45 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:56:46 <frosch123> just to make stuff easier 16:57:27 <frosch123> ofc. you can choose the eddi route and try riding the magic train, but then please ask eddi for support :p 16:58:02 <andythenorth> this might mean binning a couple of vehicles from Iron Horse :P 16:58:25 <andythenorth> how do I actually ensure same refittability? I have to give every vehicle some cargo capacity to achieve that... 16:58:37 <frosch123> i think the easiest method to code a vehicle set is to give all articulated parts the same id as the first part 16:58:45 <frosch123> that way all parts have the same properties 16:58:55 <frosch123> it should be almost as coding non-artic vehicles 16:59:30 <frosch123> you can still use the capacity callback to give parts 0 capacity 16:59:42 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:00:28 <andythenorth> but then they donât have the same refittability 17:00:32 <andythenorth> I just proved that :) 17:00:55 <frosch123> the capacity callback does not affect refittability< 17:01:00 <frosch123> oinly the capacity property does 17:02:22 * andythenorth tests again 17:04:29 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:51 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:08:00 <andythenorth> frosch123: \o/ 17:08:09 <andythenorth> thanks 17:21:16 <Phreeze> i hate my PC setup 17:22:09 <frosch123> why? that's like hating your left arm 17:22:30 <Phreeze> PC-> cat6 cable -> wall RJ45 cat6.-> wallcable cat7 until patch panel cat6 -> gigabit cisco switch -> cat6 to patch panel back to my room -> cat6cable to gigabit NAS = 10 (TEN= MB/s 17:22:52 <Phreeze> my PC says "gigabit" 17:22:56 <Phreeze> nas says "gigabit" 17:23:02 <Phreeze> something says "fuck you" 17:23:13 <Phreeze> btw: i already had about 25-30MB/s transfers... 17:23:32 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C33BE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 17:25:56 <Phreeze> ah and my NAS webaccess is down 17:29:27 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 17:37:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:39 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26470 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2014-04-18 17:45:28 UTC) 17:45:40 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:41 <DorpsGek> catalan - 2 changes by juanjo 17:45:42 <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093 17:45:43 <DorpsGek> polish - 4 changes by wojteks86 17:45:44 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 29 changes by GunChleoc 17:46:00 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:54:02 <Phreeze> doing firmware update now...time to correct tls bug anyway ;) 17:55:32 <Phreeze> when i see that old railbuses went 120kmh 17:55:54 <Phreeze> and that actual dostos rarely go over 140kmh here...i'm happy to not live in the 50s 17:57:30 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.181.238.166] has joined #openttd 18:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 10MB/s sounds like something thinks it's 100mbit 18:06:00 <Eddi|zuHause> or your cable is broken 18:09:38 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:49 <Snail> strange 18:10:10 <Snail> Iâm still trying to compile ottd after downloading and installing xcode, but I get the same errors 18:11:47 <DanMacK> Hey Snail 18:12:04 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 18:12:27 <Snail> hey DanMack, long time no see 18:12:52 <DanMacK> likewise 18:14:13 *** bdavenport [~davenport@99-62-16-103.lightspeed.chrlnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:16:39 <Snail> if it can help, this is the text I get after running â./configureâ the way itâs specified on the wiki for Mavericks: 18:16:40 <Snail> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3239/ 18:24:27 <Phreeze> nope Eddi|zuHause, i checked the brand new cables with a cable tester :-/ it's so weird.. 18:24:59 <Phreeze> i tried everything, even MTU etc. (had enough of networking at the university...it's so weird.) 18:27:31 <andythenorth> Snail: whatâs the error? I might be mis-remembering, but I might have had to solve some crap with freetype or some other librarry 18:27:55 <Snail> the error is in the link I sent before 18:27:59 <Phreeze> why do they all want to compile openttd? cause of patches ? 18:28:06 <Snail> looks like it compiles for i386 instead of for a mac 18:28:30 <Phreeze> mac.... 18:28:34 <Phreeze> see the error ? :D 18:28:39 <Phreeze> la vache... 18:29:12 <andythenorth> Snail: if itâs any use, http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3240/ 18:29:18 <andythenorth> you could diff that against yours 18:29:29 <planetmaker> Snail, i386 or x64 does not mean it's not mac 18:29:50 <planetmaker> but you build for a 64bit system (which it is) but you have the 32bit libraries 18:29:52 <michi_cc> Phreeze: Some gigabit ethernet devices have power saving modes that automatically reduce speed when not needed, and some other devices utterly fail with that. Worth a check I'd say. 18:30:14 <planetmaker> Snail, thus you'll need universal libraries, which are both 32bit and 64 bit 18:30:46 <Phreeze> yeah michi, but i dont think the qnap has that feature. and its already disabled on my puter. i nearly think it's limited by the weak qnap cpu 18:31:01 <Snail> planetmaker: ok, so how can I use the 64bit libraries? do I have to change anything in the config? 18:32:14 <planetmaker> you have to install the universal (which contain i386 and x64) ones in the first place. Not just the i386 ones. 18:32:35 <planetmaker> dunno how you got your libraries or where from. brew? macports? 18:32:55 <planetmaker> then you need to tell them explicitly to install or build the univesal ones 18:33:27 <Phreeze> michi_cc now i get about 20-23mb/s. cpu is at 100% .... fck... 18:34:39 <Snail> planetmaker: what kind of libraries? gcc? 18:34:57 <planetmaker> icu, zlib, libpng,... 18:39:02 <Snail> hmm 18:39:13 <Snail> do you think I need to restart the system after installing XCode? 18:42:07 <planetmaker> it's not windows 18:42:32 <planetmaker> I think it would tell you, if it needs. And it shouldn't need 18:43:12 <peter1139> @seen belugas 18:43:12 <DorpsGek> peter1139: belugas was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Belugas> hello 18:43:17 <peter1139> :/ 18:45:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-150-153-144.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:46:05 <Snail> planetmaker: yes I thought so. Perhaps upgrading the âportsâ in my macports would help? 18:46:15 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 18:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> simple "update" is probably not what you're looking for. you need to change the architecture 18:49:37 <planetmaker> Snail, yes... but as Eddi|zuHause says. You want to install them with the option +universal or so 18:49:53 <Snail> so, reinstall them basically 18:50:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-150-153-144.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:24 <Snail> hmm⊠what kind of port would be â /opt/local/lib/libz.dylib â? 18:53:34 <Snail> Iâm trying to look for port âlibzâ , but canât find it 18:53:46 <idl0r> zlib? 18:55:28 <Alberth> zlib sounds like the expected place 18:56:20 <Snail> ok, but one of the error messages I got read the following: 18:56:24 <Snail> â ld: warning: ignoring file /opt/local/lib/libz.dylib, file was built for i386 which is not the architecture being linked (x86_64): /opt/local/lib/libz.dylib â 18:57:35 <planetmaker> exactly 18:57:44 <planetmaker> that's why you need that library as universal library 18:58:44 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 18:59:13 <andythenorth> is libz part of lzo? 18:59:27 <planetmaker> no, different libs 18:59:31 <Alberth> unlikely, libz is much older 19:00:13 <andythenorth> canât remember what I had to install for compiling, but there were one or two things 19:00:26 <andythenorth> maybe freetype 19:00:38 <andythenorth> and libpng or something 19:01:02 <andythenorth> seems snail has those already 19:01:41 <Snail> well, Iâm installing âzlibâ as universal and now itâs installing a lot of stuff as well 19:01:49 <Snail> guess itâs all of the dependencies... 19:02:11 <idl0r> zlib shouldn't have much dependencies actually 19:06:59 <andythenorth> ho 19:07:04 <andythenorth> Snail: guess what :) 19:07:06 <andythenorth> my compile fails 19:07:20 <Snail> aw 19:07:23 <andythenorth> with a linker error 19:07:32 <planetmaker> well, linker is not compiler error :) 19:07:33 <andythenorth> using the ./configure pasted from wiki 19:07:41 <planetmaker> and yes, snail showed a linker error 19:07:42 <Snail> whatâs the error message? similar to mine? 19:07:44 <andythenorth> yes 19:08:42 <Snail> so itâs the wiki :D 19:08:52 <andythenorth> maybe 19:09:01 <andythenorth> I need to read all the traceback in my shell 19:09:10 <andythenorth> there is definitely a valid ./configure in the history there 19:09:15 <andythenorth> brb 19:12:08 <andythenorth> ./configure --enable-static --without-liblzo2 --without-freetype --without-osx-sysroot CFLAGS="-isysroot /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk" LDFLAGS="-stdlib=libstdc++" 19:13:01 <andythenorth> Snail: havenât proven that works yet, but thatâs the last one I can see with a valid compile 19:13:48 <andythenorth> I think --without-freetype is the significant flag 19:15:02 <Snail> hmm 19:15:11 <Snail> is the port âtiffâ needed at all? 19:16:49 <andythenorth> Snail: itâs installed for me, not sure if needed 19:17:04 <Snail> ok 19:17:22 <andythenorth> I added the ./configure I use to the wiki 19:17:23 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 19:17:24 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 19:17:37 <andythenorth> because itâs always good to have lots of things that might work, instead of one that definitely works :P 19:18:28 <Snail> heh :p 19:18:50 <Phreeze> lol 19:20:23 <Phreeze> damn those Uerdingen Railbus are so fugly, i should have ignored them xD 19:20:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:21:25 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:21:32 <Alberth> evenink 19:24:36 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest6895 19:25:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-144-171-101.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:30 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:29:57 <Snail> andythenorth: I tried installing zlib for x64 and using your ./configure line⊠but Iâm getting the same error messages 19:30:13 *** Guest6895 [~Andy@host-78-150-153-144.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:45 <andythenorth> Snail: :( 19:32:40 <Snail> zlib doesnât get installed, because it finds an error while installing âtiffâ... 19:32:51 <Snail> so I try installing âtiffâ by itself, but it finds an error and stops 19:33:26 <andythenorth> are you using macports 19:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd imagine tiff depends on zlib instead of the other way round 19:41:54 <Phreeze> http://i.imgur.com/g5xWmFB.jpg 19:41:58 <Phreeze> cruel world 19:44:56 <Snail> andythenorth: I managed to install tiff and zlib now 19:45:07 <Snail> I get a different error message when I try and compile ottd :p 19:45:19 <Snail> now it tells me â/opt/local/lib/libicui18n.dylibâ is i386 only and not x64 19:45:28 <Snail> what port is it? 19:46:37 <Snail> maybe itâs âicu"? 19:46:46 <planetmaker> yes 19:47:07 <planetmaker> you got basically a list of all libs you need in the first paste of yours 19:48:00 <Snail> planetmaker: yes, but itâs not so easy to figure out the librariesâ names⊠19:48:18 <Snail> I only guessed that âlibicui18nâ actually meant âicu" 19:50:20 <planetmaker> yeah, it's not always a 1:1 translation 19:50:24 <planetmaker> it involves some guessing 19:51:14 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:31 <glx> libicui18n is just one of the multiple libs from icu 19:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it's easy, this name consists of 3 parts: <lib> <icu> <i18n> 19:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> where "i18n" is short for "internationalisation" (aka "long word starting with i and ending with n leaving out 18 letters") 19:55:44 <glx> on windows it's libicuin (for the 8.3 format) 19:56:08 <glx> but icu is silly on windows ;) 19:58:48 <frosch123> Snail: icu is only needed for fancy languages like arabic or tamil 19:58:57 <frosch123> try configure --without-icu 19:59:17 <Snail> ok 20:00:09 <glx> lzma and xz are the same (hard to guess) 20:02:20 <Snail> phew looks like it compiled now 20:02:44 <Snail> need to run now, will try it later today. Thanks for your help guys :) 20:03:22 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 20:10:46 <peter1139> hmm, managed to make tmux monochrome :/ 20:19:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:32 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:12 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:35 *** Adamos [~adam_pods@46.47.136.154] has joined #openttd 20:29:37 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 20:30:16 <Adamos> hi, i may have lame question, but i am starting to be tired too much by trying and googling.... I want to play CARST World Scenario on Chill's Patch pack, but i am not able to run game with Chills Patchpack.. anybody can help? thanks a lot :) 20:31:00 <FLHerne> Adamos: Chill's pack can't load any games saved with trunk OTTD after about 1.1 (or 1.0?) 20:31:25 <FLHerne> Since scenarios are really just another kind of savegame, it can't load those either 20:31:30 <Adamos> i am stopped by error "failed to find a graphics set" even before game start 20:32:04 <Adamos> i have that scenario cleaned from any NewGRFs, so it should run in any game supporting large maps, true? 20:32:08 <FLHerne> Ah, right. Install one 20:32:50 <Adamos> my "clean version" of classic OpenTTD 1.4.0 runs without problems... 20:32:55 <FLHerne> According to section 4.1 of the Readme http://svn.openttd.org/tags/1.1.0/readme.txt 20:33:20 <FLHerne> Oh, and you need the trafficlight files and the flat_blacktiles 20:33:30 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 20:33:32 <FLHerne> And possibly something else too 20:33:54 <Adamos> i have read that and may misunderstood that, as that didnt help... 20:34:06 <FLHerne> Have you also read http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47622#p864368 ? 20:34:27 <glx> maybe this patchpack also require specific grfs 20:34:40 <Adamos> these files i have saved on 3 places - normal OpenTTD folder, Chills OpenTTD folder and that folder in Documents 20:38:05 <Adamos> well, grf files from DOS_chipp_v13_5_needed_grfs_and_sources.7z i got installed too.. maybe it needs something more.. 20:39:04 <FLHerne> Ah, possibly "Your version of OpenGFX is too new to be used with the patchpack, placing OpenGFX 0.4.6(*) in the data folder shoud fix your problem IIRC." 20:39:28 <FLHerne> ^ from http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47622&p=1115407&hilit=OpenGFX#p1115407 20:40:02 <glx> quite possible as the patchpack is old 20:40:47 <Adamos> hmm, sounds worth trying, thanks 20:40:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C33BE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:48 *** Adamos [~adam_pods@46.47.136.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:52 *** rubidium [~Rubidium@000128fa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:50:56 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:46 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest6902 20:51:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-2-98-187-33.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:35 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:40 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [] 20:53:57 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:04 <Snail> looks like I got lots of warnings during compilation 20:54:24 *** Adamos [~adam_pods@46.47.136.154] has joined #openttd 20:55:01 <andythenorth> I get those too 20:57:07 <Adamos> thanks for help guys, Chills patch pack still doesnt work here... never mind. What is maximum map size for OpenTTD 1.4.0? 20:57:52 <Supercheese> 4096² 20:57:59 *** Guest6902 [~Andy@host-78-144-171-101.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:08 <FLHerne> Adamos: Chill's pack has been unmaintained for some years, most current ones are HardPack and the 2013 one 20:59:29 <Supercheese> and cirdan's New Map Features 21:00:50 <andythenorth> I never understood patch packs 21:00:51 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:00:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:01:20 <andythenorth> seems like you wouldnât know if the newgrf bugs were due to your grf, or the patchpack 21:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> they're for people who prefer feature creep over stability 21:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like if you prefer ubuntu over debian 21:02:12 <andythenorth> ¿ there are people who play for reasons other than testing newgrfs? :o 21:02:25 <Adamos> FLHerne: okay, thanks for info 21:02:37 * Taede plays for testing adminclient 21:02:55 <Taede> im sure there are ppl in here playing for testing patches 21:02:55 <FLHerne> Supercheese: That's not a patchpack as such, just an insane megapatch :P 21:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Adamos: make sure the "newer" (incompatible) version of opengfx will not be found anymore 21:03:12 <Supercheese> eh, semantics 21:04:26 <Adamos> Eddi: you meant if i want to run some older patchpack, right? 21:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:07:24 <Pulec> have you ever imagined openttd visualizer as there is one for Dwarf Fortress? 21:07:29 <Pulec> *openTTD 21:07:35 <Pulec> **OpenTTD 21:07:41 <Adamos> well.. as i reconsidered what i really wanted - it was to play World scenario (with size 8096x4028) with cargodist - and since that is already in the trunk, i just need to find some compiled version supporting larger maps :) 21:08:33 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@manning2.torservers.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> if the scenario was created with a patchpack, it probably won't be loaded in a different patchpack 21:09:59 <Adamos> Eddi - i managed to clear that scenario from all NewGRFs :) 21:11:28 <FLHerne> Pulec: Why? We have 3D-ish view already 21:11:35 <FLHerne> Well, 2.5D 21:12:20 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest6904 21:12:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-144-160-18.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:51 <FLHerne> Adamos: Most packs will change other bits of the savegame format too, or use arbitrarily-chosen compatibility numbers, etc 21:13:41 <FLHerne> It'll almost certainly moan about either chunk size or version, with the former not really being fixable 21:15:15 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 21:16:44 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:48 <Adamos> FLHerne: reason i believe that world scenario will work is, that other scenario from CARST, Europe, is 2048x2048 and this works (after cleaning of NewGRFs) 21:17:19 * andythenorth hates fixing offsets 21:17:45 <Alberth> yeah, just make them right from the start :) 21:18:09 *** Guest6904 [~Andy@host-2-98-187-33.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:31 <andythenorth> ha 21:18:38 <andythenorth> same difference ;) 21:18:46 * andythenorth hates setting up offsets at the start :P 21:19:13 <Alberth> I usually have very little trouble with offsets in graphics by zephyris, he uses a standard size and layout for all his graphics 21:19:51 <Alberth> but it's probably to his use of automagic blendering graphics 21:19:58 <Alberth> *due 21:22:09 <andythenorth> did someone else set them up initially 21:22:27 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:29:02 *** Adamos [~adam_pods@46.47.136.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:07 *** kais58|A1K is now known as kais58__ 21:48:01 <Snail> guys, Iâve got another coding question for you 21:48:20 <Snail> does grfcodec support the universal version of libpng? 21:48:51 <Snail> I installed libpng as universal⊠now when I run grfcodec, it tells me, âdyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libpng14.14.dylib 21:48:51 <Snail> Referenced from: /Applications/grfcodec/grfcodec 21:48:52 <Snail> Reason: image not found 21:48:53 <Snail> make: *** [fset_s.grf] Trace/BPT trap: 5" 21:49:08 <Snail> but I do have libpng installed... 21:52:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-144-160-18.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:01 <Snail> hmm I upgraded to grfcodec 6.0.4 and now it works? 21:59:03 <Snail> weird :p 22:20:29 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@8JQAAH6VT.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 22:23:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:49 <Alberth> perhaps the previous version used a different libpng? 22:27:40 <Phreeze> snail there ? 22:27:44 <Snail> yes 22:27:49 <Phreeze> i thought about putting the 2 french sets together 22:27:54 <Phreeze> afaik there were 2 ? 22:28:10 <Snail> I donât know⊠Iâm working on one since around 2006 :p 22:28:29 <Snail> but frankly Iâm planning to draw all graphics and write all code myself 22:28:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:27 <Phreeze> i can provide you with at least 3 locos 22:32:07 <Snail> thank you, but thatâs not necessary :) 22:32:28 <Phreeze> -_- 22:32:58 <Snail> my point is, if youâre making your own set, thatâs great 22:33:14 <Snail> but mixing graphics with different style?⊠well... 22:33:37 <Snail> but I can help you with technical info and details if you want 22:33:50 <Phreeze> i have bought 2 books ^^ 22:33:57 <Phreeze> more details than i ever need^^ 22:35:18 <Phreeze> are you french btw ? 22:36:51 <Snail> no, Iâm from Italy. I only studied in Paris for a while 22:36:57 <Snail> I was at Essec (Cergy-Pontoise) 22:37:04 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 22:37:12 <Phreeze> ah ok :) 22:37:31 <Phreeze> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Z_5300 22:37:34 <Phreeze> seen those in paris ? 22:37:38 <Phreeze> if it was some time ago.. 22:37:53 <Snail> oh yes I remember those 22:38:03 <Snail> what I was using in my daily commute, were the Z6400 22:38:04 <Phreeze> i took them when i went to college^^ 22:38:16 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:27 <Phreeze> 6400 are newer i see 22:38:52 <Snail> yes⊠the 5300 were on the RER C if Iâm not wrong 22:38:56 <Snail> some trains anyway 22:39:06 <Snail> 6400 were at the St-Lazare station 22:41:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:42:43 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:47 <glx> they are still running 22:43:46 <Snail> the 6400 right? 22:43:53 <glx> 5300 too 22:43:55 <Snail> I think the 5300 are no more... 22:43:57 <Snail> really? wow 22:44:09 <Snail> those are very long-lived trains 22:44:17 <Phreeze> 5300 were retired in about 2000 in Luxembourg. they used a 2part and 3part version 22:44:27 <Phreeze> only on the main hour trains.. like 7h45 22:44:34 <Phreeze> the train at 8h00 was a nice new modern train ..... 22:44:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:56 <Phreeze> and those: http://www.rail.lu/im/g/3685.jpg 22:45:05 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:45:11 <Phreeze> was a really impressive train 22:45:37 <Phreeze> then replaced by cfl2000 aka Z 11500 from SNCF -> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_11500 22:45:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CB3C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:47:14 <Snail> oh, those were like the âflat ironsâ (fers à repasser) used in france 22:47:33 <Snail> replaced steamers in the north-east after the war⊠they were nice engines 22:48:26 <Phreeze> yes they were so called here too :) 22:48:35 <Phreeze> quite powerful 22:50:08 <Snail> my favorite though are the âmaurienneâ early electrics :) 22:50:26 <Phreeze> http://www.rail.lu/materiel/sncf12000.html 22:50:31 <Phreeze> french cousin ;) 22:50:42 <Phreeze> theres even a C'C' version 22:51:05 <Phreeze> time to go to sleep...cyas 22:51:11 <glx> yeah BB12000 BB13000 CC14000 and CC14100 22:51:48 <Snail> bye 22:59:09 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:37 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:30:11 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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