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FU... NK YEAH. 02:17:50 <Flygon> Cloudy every day yeah! 02:19:08 <grepwood> Flygon let's swap places 02:19:37 <Flygon> You're on Virgin Cable, it rains even MORE there 02:19:41 <Flygon> So, no. D: 02:19:50 <grepwood> hey I thought you like rain 02:20:25 <Flygon> I'd rather just take my slightly less frequent rain, occassional snow, and Comeng trains and run with them D: 02:23:17 <grepwood> run with trains? but they're always going to outrun you :S 02:24:47 <Flygon> grepwood: Newport signal failure 02:25:51 <supermop> decent coffee here 02:25:55 * grepwood is unaffected 02:29:51 <Flygon> Only decent? D: 02:33:29 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:44:05 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:46:20 <supermop> i am guessing cc mask cannot be antialiased for 32bpp? 02:50:40 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:12:50 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:15 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:29 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:15:09 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 04:50:06 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 04:54:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6645F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:59:07 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 05:05:36 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:06:24 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 05:19:42 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 05:22:36 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:23:49 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:25:23 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:32:25 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:31 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:35:27 *** maddy_ [~plaiho@v44.woima.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:37:17 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:39:47 *** maddy_ [~plaiho@v44.woima.fi] has joined #openttd 05:40:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 05:43:21 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:45:02 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:30 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:32 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:34:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:39:27 <supermop> you know what would be better than pipelines in ottd? 06:39:31 <supermop> log flumes 06:45:27 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.27] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC - custom made irc client. [www.adiirc.com]] 06:45:32 <planetmaker> moin 06:46:33 <planetmaker> supermop, masks are 32bpp, so anti-aliasing them would not do what you expect it to do 06:46:43 <planetmaker> err... masks are 8bpp 06:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: what's a flume? 06:55:23 <supermop> chute for water to flow in 06:55:58 <V453000> just use wetrails supermop :D 06:56:14 <supermop> also adapted into an amusement part ride, whereby one rides in a fiberglass log through the chute 06:56:40 <supermop> i want cargo decay to be based on how fun the ride was V453000 06:56:48 <V453000> lol 06:56:49 <supermop> anyway 06:56:50 <V453000> njoy 06:57:10 <supermop> signals are hard 06:57:42 <supermop> i mean representing the mechanics of an ottd signal in a little picture of a signal 06:58:51 <supermop> how does one represent, abstractly, that a signal does x, especially without a distant aspect 06:59:04 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:59:13 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59:15 <supermop> you have to be somewhat arbitrary about it 06:59:30 <supermop> and hope that the user just figures it out 06:59:40 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 06:59:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:26 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:19:12 <supermop> ok time for a test grf i guess 07:19:38 <supermop> so i have a bunch of individual 256x256 32bpp pngs 07:20:11 <supermop> can i use NML to make a baseset out of those, should i composite them into a sprite sheet first? 07:20:50 <planetmaker> that depends 07:20:50 <supermop> most of them only need to be 128x256 07:21:07 <supermop> rest is just blue 07:21:25 <planetmaker> 32bpp uses transparency, not blue 07:21:34 <supermop> oops 07:21:46 <planetmaker> it's 32bpp :) blue would be blue 07:22:00 <supermop> ok well blue is just a layer i can turn off in the vector file and make more pngs! 07:22:26 <planetmaker> as to your question: using many separate files, one per sprite surely works 07:22:36 <V453000> o, I can just have alpha without wtfblue with 32bpp? 07:22:37 <V453000> great 07:23:08 <planetmaker> so it might be the same amount of work now to code it with all files separate as combining them in a sprite sheet 07:23:18 <planetmaker> but if you update, separate files might come in more handy, supermop 07:23:27 <planetmaker> V453000, 32bpp is just that, no frills, no surprises 07:23:32 <supermop> i want to update a lot 07:23:50 <supermop> because these graphics are ugly, just a proof of concept 07:23:56 <planetmaker> only if you want company colour or palette animation (like water), then you need to define *additionally* 8bpp masks 07:24:13 <planetmaker> supermop, just FYI: zbase uses single files 07:24:14 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A085F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:24:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:32 <supermop> can i make a base set without cc? at least to start with? 07:24:59 <planetmaker> in principle yes 07:25:32 <planetmaker> just like zbase has no animated water 07:25:40 <Eearslya_> So, question..I wanna get involved in OTTD coding, but the To-Do List page is..horribly out of date. Is there a more up-to-date page or where could I start? 07:25:59 *** Eearslya_ is now known as Eearslya 07:25:59 <supermop> i've only drawn land slopes, rivers, canals, rapids, so far 07:26:30 <supermop> and i want to quickly test it to see if the tiles look nice together 07:26:34 <planetmaker> supermop, do you really *draw*? Or render? 07:26:46 <supermop> drawing, in illustrator 07:26:47 <planetmaker> anyhow, as landscape getting-started, you might look at the code of pota-ghat 07:27:08 <supermop> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ordnance_Survey_1-250000_-_TF.jpg 07:27:12 <planetmaker> https://rhodecode.openttdcoop.org/pota-ghat 07:27:55 <planetmaker> Eearslya, seems we don't exactly have a more up to date list of nice-to-have things. But of course our bug tracker lists also a lot of bugs which also might be nice targets to tackle 07:27:59 <supermop> is that a base set or landscape grf 07:28:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 07:28:09 <planetmaker> supermop, it's a landscape newgrf 07:28:27 <planetmaker> but for landscape, the difference between base set and newgrf is marginal 07:28:39 <supermop> but the same code would work for a base set? 07:28:43 <supermop> ah ok 07:28:58 <planetmaker> not 1:1, but a single search and replace would do 07:43:54 <planetmaker> well, maybe not single. But the effort to change is marginal, usually 07:44:19 <supermop> any faster way to determine what sprite gets which number on this list? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:List_of_tiles 07:44:46 <supermop> or just look at what order they appear in a sprite sheet? 07:50:34 <V453000> :] 08:15:56 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:38 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 08:19:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B521.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:24:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D6ED.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:30 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-146-060-157-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:54 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:20 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:32:49 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:34:15 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-76-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:18 *** fjb is now known as Guest8049 09:50:19 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:44 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:54:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-88-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:57:05 *** Guest8049 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:39 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:24 *** Guest8050 [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B521.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B521.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:58 <peter1139> "Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic" ... on planet.debian.org... sigh :p 10:25:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:01 <Wolf01> hi hi 10:27:09 <peter1139> HELLO THERE WOLF01 10:27:30 <peter1139> HMM, IF I MAKE THIS WINDOW 40 COLUMNS BY 25 LINES, I CAN PRETEND I'M BACK IN THE 80'S. 10:27:42 <peter1139> MODE 7 :D 10:28:20 <Sacro> ah mode 7 10:28:54 <peter1139> Acorn, not Nintendo. 10:29:04 <Wolf01> now you need just a green phosphor monitor 10:29:34 <peter1139> http://www.fontsaddict.com/font/modeseven.html 10:29:37 <peter1139> Completely wrong :-( 10:29:51 <peter1139> Well, sort of. 10:30:17 <peter1139> Hmm, of course, it was interlaced which makes conversion fun. 10:33:14 <peter1139> Ooh, gotta love the [] symbols :D 10:37:30 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:36 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:33 <planetmaker> Taede, Re FS#5996: The usual, and posix-compliant behaviour is to stay silent, if everything is fine. If your command was wrong, you'd get an error message 10:39:43 <planetmaker> and you surely know what commands you sent 10:40:57 <peter1139> POSIX-compliant OpenTTD console! 10:43:28 <planetmaker> granted, long way there :) 10:43:46 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 10:51:35 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 10:53:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:49 <peter1139> Readline and tab-completion? :p 10:59:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:52 <Rubidium> I doubt the console will ever be posix compliant 11:05:27 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:45 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-235-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:23 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.235.170] has joined #openttd 11:19:23 *** ST2 is now known as xT2 11:20:05 <grepwood> What part of the code deals in game config? 11:23:47 <Samu> hey st2 11:24:25 <Samu> xT2: hey 11:29:39 <Rubidium> grepwood: I'd guess most if it has setting or config in the file name 11:29:54 <Rubidium> (latter for game script / AI configuration) 11:29:58 <Samu> i am trying to build a small but "expert" type of rail network that permits fast trains to overtake slow trains using only two lines that can be used in either direction, kinda like I currently do, but without the limitation of a maximum of 3 trains. If anyone wants to help, pls PM 11:33:41 <V453000> "expert" usually means not mixing train speeds :P 11:33:58 <Samu> "smart" then 11:34:19 <V453000> I dont think creating pointless issues is smart :) 11:34:43 <Samu> I can do the first part fine, but 3 trains are the limit 11:35:02 <Samu> 4 trains creates the possibility of them blocking each other 11:35:34 <SylvieLorxu> Probably a silly question, but if I put an aircraft in the hangar, do I still have any costs involved with it such as the yearly running costs? 11:37:20 <grepwood> Rubidium, exactly 11:37:36 <grepwood> I'm asking what part of the source code deals with reading those from the file 11:39:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B521.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:39:50 <Samu> train 1 direction >> X-junction << train 2 direction 11:39:51 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.235.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:06 <Samu> train 3 direction >> X-junction == free path 11:40:13 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.235.170] has joined #openttd 11:40:51 <Samu> 3 moves first, then 1 or 2 advances and takes the other line 11:41:02 <Samu> then the last one goes straight 11:41:40 <LordAro> grepwood: "if it has setting or config in the file name" 11:43:01 <Samu> if there's a train 4 where the free path is and is heading to X-junction, creates a deadlock 11:43:02 <grepwood> ah 11:43:11 <Samu> how do I avoid this? 11:46:17 <peter1139> Don't lay signals like that. 11:46:55 <peter1139> Remember the safe-waiting-point principle. 11:47:47 <Samu> sorry, a small mistake in my explanation 11:48:03 <Samu> 3 moves first, 2 moves next, because 1 can't go to where 3 is headed to 11:48:18 <Samu> and lastly, 1 moves last, and straight 11:49:10 <Samu> i can show you in-game 11:50:08 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:50:16 <Samu> i need a mix of entry signals with path signals, but i'm noob with entry signals 11:50:46 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:36 <Samu> path signal must reserve in advance so that it triggers the entry signal's red far away on the other side 11:51:56 <Samu> i just dont know how to build this 11:52:17 <V453000> path signals dont Really react to entry signals 11:52:50 <Samu> so i need entry-exit signals 11:53:18 <V453000> if you want any kind of logic, yes 11:54:06 <Jomann> anyone knows how to run openttd in dosbox? because my Linux version freezes every now and then. Doesn't matter what distro. 11:54:57 <V453000> why would you run openttd in dospox :d 11:54:58 <V453000> bv 11:56:12 <Jomann> as explained above. In linux openttd freezes whole system from time to time. it may has to do with sound, but not sure. 11:56:23 <peter1139> Does OpenTTD even compile for DOS? 11:57:08 <Jomann> not sure 11:57:10 <peter1139> There's no automatic DOS build, anyway. 11:57:10 <V453000> I believe for many people openttd works just fine under linux 11:57:21 <Jomann> or how to enable debug, maybe I can read debug log after next crash? 11:57:32 <Jomann> yeah sure, for me too. Except this annoying freeze 11:57:42 <peter1139> Well, does it freeze or crash? 11:58:00 <peter1139> Check the command line options to enable debugging. 11:58:04 <Jomann> it freezes whole system. Can't do anything, only solution is reset 12:06:09 <Samu> X-junction // train 1 direction >> X-junction << train 2 direction // X-junction == free path 2 12:06:19 <Samu> -junction // train 3 direction >> X-junction == free path 1 == X-junction == free path 3 12:06:40 <Samu> sorry, i need help 12:07:21 <Samu> path 2 and 3 signals should turn red when train 3 crosses the 2nd X-junction 12:07:52 <LordAro> Jomann: either way, linux is a lot better supported than dos 12:08:45 <Samu> i need pre-signals somewhere 12:09:04 <peter1139> No you don't. You can't have bidirectional lines working like that. 12:09:16 <LordAro> i think only 1 or 2 of the devs (fonsinchen?) use windows for normal development 12:09:37 <Jomann> yeah I Know. But it is annoying with those crashes :( 12:10:13 <LordAro> if it's actually crashing, upload the crash reports somewhere 12:10:18 <Samu> doesn't pre-signals work bi-directionaly? 12:10:20 <peter1139> Stick to one-way lines with no X-junctions, or expand in parallel and have at least one set of one-way lines. 12:10:40 <LordAro> if it's freezing, that's a little more difficult - trying running with debugging turned on 12:10:48 <Jomann> LordAro, it freezes whole system. I just update system and then start openttd with debug on. Maybe I have debug log after reset 12:11:08 <peter1139> debug output doesn't write to a file, so make sure you can see it. 12:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> bidirectional lines only work properly with path signals 12:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> not with presignals 12:11:36 <Jomann> how, when it freezes? :) Okay maybe window mode and terminal beneeth 12:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Jomann: freezes are usually device drivers going wrong. or hardware problems 12:13:30 <peter1139> Yup, it's not going to be caused by anything OpenTTD does. 12:13:37 <Jomann> hm. Thats why I thought some problem with pulseaudio. Because amarok and qmmp freeze too after some time. luckily not whole system 12:13:41 <peter1139> Or rather, not caused by OpenTTD misbehaving. 12:14:17 <peter1139> Heh, wait, is it "completely frozen" because you're running in full-screen mode and don't know who to switch it out? 12:14:32 <peter1139> (Even so, PA shouldn't freeze) 12:15:01 <Jomann> no it was always windowed mode with free mouse 12:15:39 <peter1139> Alright. 12:16:38 <Samu> I can build entry signals on both ways in 1 line, but you say it doesn't work? I don't understand 12:16:59 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: ypu can't filter out which exit signal to react on 12:22:50 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:40 *** grepwood [~grepwood@cpc7-gors2-2-0-cust146.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:52 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:30:56 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A085F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: What? Oh... cu!] 12:40:44 <peter1139> https://github.com/search?q=exec%28%24_GET&ref=cmdform&type=Code 12:45:48 <Samu> signal, signal, junction, signal, signal - train must be minimum 3 tiles, or is it 4? the read end must trigger the first signal 12:46:11 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:49:10 <V453000> seriously the fact that you dont take a screenshot to post it makes me wtf :D 12:49:18 <peter1139> :-) 12:49:24 <V453000> [wtf is a verb now] 12:50:48 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/nFXvT8h.png 12:51:10 <V453000> yeah that doesnt really make much sense 12:51:38 <peter1139> You're still trying, even after people said it can't be done? :p 12:51:48 <Samu> yeah, im stuborn 12:51:59 <Samu> if it doesn't work one way, it could work some other way 12:53:13 <V453000> perhaps learn how signals work first, there is a lot of helpful people around openttdcoop servers if you need assistance 12:55:01 <Samu> hmm nop, this didn't work t.t 12:55:07 <Samu> ok, gonna search that server 12:55:58 <Samu> newgrf mismatch 13:01:41 <Godde> @quickstart 13:01:45 <Godde> :( 13:01:50 <Godde> wrong channel :D 13:01:55 <Xaroth|Work> failwhale 13:02:40 <Godde> Btw are you supposed to be able to resize the game window on linux? 13:02:55 <Godde> I can resize the window, but the game resolution itself doesn't change 13:07:46 <peter1139> Yes, you can resize the window on Linux. 13:07:48 <Samu> there's no one in there to help 13:08:12 <Godde> hmm 13:16:38 <V453000> Samu: perhaps constructing something and asking others if they know how to solve it is more constructive than just asking in words :D 13:17:15 <planetmaker> V453000, he'd build what he showed in the screenshot... presumably 13:17:39 <planetmaker> probably autoclean would catch that company rather soon 13:18:06 <Samu> are you there in the opencoop game? 13:18:10 <Samu> i'm returning then 13:18:28 <planetmaker> Not today. I only have the server logs ;) 13:18:30 <planetmaker> and chat logs 13:18:46 <planetmaker> but maybe V453000 does have time 13:39:06 <supermop> night 13:44:14 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 13:53:53 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <Godde> I can resize the window, but the game resolution itself doesn't change <-- i've had that issue when resizing both directions at once. if i only resize one direction, it works 14:12:10 <Godde> Hmm 14:12:19 <Godde> It seems to work when compiled from source 14:12:26 <Godde> Problem is gone for now atleast 14:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an SDL issue 14:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i think someone might have adressed it, but i can't remember 14:13:18 <planetmaker> yup, that's SDL 14:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/04/the-awful-thing-about-getting-it-right-the-first-time-is-that-nobody-realizes-how-hard-it-was/ 14:24:55 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:05 <peter1139> eh 14:39:07 <peter1139> +H 14:39:14 <peter1139> Gnome's lock screen is painfully stupid. 14:39:22 <peter1139> Half the time it won't actually blank all my screens... 14:51:46 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:52:16 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:20 <SylvieLorxu> Eddi|zuHause: I... I... I don't even... 15:07:00 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:07:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:19:09 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:17 <SylvieLorxu> Is there a way to disable lifestock and have farms only generate grain? I know it's "just a game" but it's just too gruesome to transport lifestock to a factory >_> 15:45:30 <SylvieLorxu> (OpenTTD 1.1.4) 15:48:27 <SylvieLorxu> (For now I'm just commiting economical suicide and only adding a grain hopper to the train, but yeah) 15:51:19 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:51:29 <Eddi|zuHause> make a newgrf 15:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> although it needs to be an "oldgrf" to be compatible with 1.1, you should really update to 1.4 15:52:30 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:43 <SylvieLorxu> I'll go and look into what this whole newgrf stuff is 15:55:47 <SylvieLorxu> Thanks 15:56:11 <Alberth> change climate, in subtropical you have maize and wheat 15:56:24 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:43 <Alberth> in toy land you only have a toy factory :) 15:57:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 16:00:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:03:45 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-88-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:03 <peter1139> ps aux 16:06:06 <peter1139> Errrr 16:08:06 <planetmaker> g'evening 16:08:35 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 16:09:40 <SylvieLorxu> Thanks, Alberth 16:10:09 <planetmaker> play with FIRS. Totally different NewGRFs :P 16:10:40 <planetmaker> But update to 1.4 before that - you will find most modern NewGRFs to not work anymore on versions as old as 1.1 16:11:29 <Superuser> lol, classic SylvieLorxu 16:11:34 <Superuser> never thought I'd see you in here. 16:11:46 <SylvieLorxu> Superuser: Oh, hey, it's you 16:11:47 <SylvieLorxu> Heh 16:12:14 <SylvieLorxu> planetmaker: It's the version that's in the Trisquel repos and I'm lazy, but yeah, I probably should... 16:13:54 <Superuser> it's *very* old, it also lacks the new settings screen which makes it actually tolerable to use (among other things) 16:14:32 <Superuser> the nice thing is that ottd has a continuous integration system that builds linux packages *and* static builds that you can take anywhere and they will just work 16:14:32 <SylvieLorxu> I keep forgetting what Trisquel 6 is based on 16:14:41 <SylvieLorxu> It's the previous Ubuntu LTS 16:14:48 <planetmaker> SylvieLorxu, it's >~ 3 years old 16:14:59 <SylvieLorxu> Oh, that bad? 16:15:01 <Superuser> you can also download the nightly, though 1.4.0 was literally just released 16:15:13 <planetmaker> at least the OpenTTD they ship 16:15:22 <Superuser> yeah, huge huge improvements have taken place since then, including my ~3300 string translation 16:15:29 <planetmaker> :) 16:16:21 * SylvieLorxu grabs the 32 bit Precise package 16:16:26 <SylvieLorxu> I think that's the one I need 16:17:18 <planetmaker> SylvieLorxu, grab the one from our website :) 16:17:30 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable 16:17:30 <SylvieLorxu> I am ^^ 16:17:34 <planetmaker> ah 16:19:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f7b2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:33 <LordAro> qauk 16:21:40 <SylvieLorxu> I wonder what's new, should look up a changelog 16:21:55 <planetmaker> lots of things :) 16:22:05 <planetmaker> LordAro, wrong spelling ;) quak 16:22:18 * Alberth waves 16:22:29 <LordAro> planetmaker: mostly intentional :p 16:22:31 <frosch123> hai :) 16:22:55 <LordAro> SylvieLorxu: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/e501f0a8209b/changelog.txt 16:24:35 <SylvieLorxu> LordAro: Thanks! 16:26:44 <SylvieLorxu> Okay, a whole lot changed 16:27:31 <Superuser> SylvieLorxu: also seeing as you're just getting started and have a half-decent rig, I'd highly recommend zBase 16:28:10 <Superuser> it's a 32-bit graphics pack, you can get it from in game. You use nouveau but that should not be an issue, only the card's memory counts for this as it's litelly a bunch of sprites 16:28:22 <SylvieLorxu> Superuser: I'm not on my desktop :P 16:28:26 <Superuser> and we have the same graphics card so I can vouch for it working very well :) 16:28:28 <Superuser> oh... err ok 16:28:39 <peter1139> I can vouch for zBase looking like shit compare to original. 16:29:00 * SylvieLorxu is on the X60s, with integrated Intel graphics, yay! 16:29:06 <Superuser> peter1139: I disagree, and I grew up on the original AND 8bit for ottd 16:29:28 <Superuser> as soon as I got a good pc (my previous one was a low end from 2002) I replaced it zbase and never looked back 16:29:40 <Superuser> but art is subjective :) 16:31:36 * Alberth is glad it is 16:31:54 <planetmaker> :) 16:34:30 <SylvieLorxu> OpenTTD 1.4.0 is all laggy on the title screen :( 16:36:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:37:06 <Superuser> try erasing your config 16:37:14 <Superuser> rm -rf ~/.openttd 16:38:30 <Alberth> ieks 16:38:49 <planetmaker> ehm, no! 16:38:51 <Alberth> rm ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg perhaps 16:39:09 <planetmaker> ^ 16:40:06 <planetmaker> Superuser, please be very careful what you advise. You just recommended to delete all screenshots, savegames, newgrfs, AIs and whatever he might have gathered or produced with openttd 16:41:19 <Superuser> fair point 16:41:51 <Superuser> though I do have a strange habit of doing clean installs for everything 16:42:10 <Alberth> Superuser: I'd reformat the C: drive every time if I were you 16:43:07 <Alberth> or rm -rf / in unix terms :) 16:43:29 <planetmaker> rm -rf /* :P 16:44:05 <Alberth> so much for "force" :p 16:45:45 <SylvieLorxu> --no-preserve-root is necessary 16:45:52 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:45:54 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 16:47:14 <Superuser> not with /* 16:48:12 <Alberth> dd < /dev/zero > /dev/sda will work too :p 16:48:30 <LordAro> dd < /dev/urandom > /dev/sda :p 16:49:07 <LordAro> or /dev/random, for that cryptographically secure deletion :p 16:49:30 <Alberth> I think you'll run out of random bits very fast :) 16:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause> if you use /dev/random you're not done before the police arrives 16:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> /dev/urandom is faster 16:55:03 <Godde> But then you can't be completely sure noone is monitoring your deletion D: 16:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you could also overwrite the drive encryption key (and its backup) 16:59:16 <Alberth> just buy a new drive, you never know what the old bits were used for :p 16:59:50 <planetmaker> iew. Used bits? I want fresh bits on my new drive! 17:00:10 <planetmaker> Not the rotten ones. I have them already myself here in some corner 17:00:36 <Eddi|zuHause> if your bitburger is rotten then you did something wrong 17:02:41 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:17:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AE16.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:21:44 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 17:30:04 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:12 <SylvieLorxu> It's still slow by the way, I think that it's purely because the title screen of 1.4.0 displays WAY more busses/etc. than the one in 1.1.4 17:35:35 <planetmaker> you could try to change in your ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg one setting for the memory reserved for graphics: 17:35:40 <planetmaker> sprite_cache_size_px = 512 17:35:46 <planetmaker> instead of the other value you might have 17:35:49 <planetmaker> maybe it helps 17:36:22 <planetmaker> if you have the necessary ram 17:37:06 <SylvieLorxu> I have 3GB so I assume it'd work 17:37:44 <Superuser> yeah if it's lagging on that screen, you prob don't want to run zBase... 17:37:55 <Superuser> definitely give it a go on desktop though if you like the game ^^ 17:37:58 <SylvieLorxu> A bit more initial loading delay, but after that, seems way better 17:38:06 <Superuser> also the title screen games are very unrealistic 17:38:13 <Superuser> in a real game, it's not nearly as hectic 17:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> lag on the title screen is rarely because there's so much going on 17:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's not actually that much compared to a real game on a large map 17:45:10 <SylvieLorxu> Eddi|zuHause: It's the most apparent difference between the 1.1.4 title screen (which had no issues) and the 1.4.0 one, and planetmaker's tip did seem to help 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26540 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2014-04-29 17:45:18 UTC) 17:45:27 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <DorpsGek> basque - 9 changes by laxkax 17:45:29 <DorpsGek> catalan - 10 changes by juanjo 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> italian - 12 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> SylvieLorxu: actually the difference that makes the difference here is the new zoom modes and 32bpp graphics 17:46:17 <Eddi|zuHause> SylvieLorxu: there are a loooot of differences under the hood 17:47:56 <SylvieLorxu> Eddi|zuHause: Hmm... Well, the tip seems to work so far, but what should I look for if I have further issues? 17:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> let's not worry about that until you have actual issues :p 17:49:05 <SylvieLorxu> Fair enough 17:49:45 <SylvieLorxu> Oh yeah, it also asks me to update the base graphics set because it's missing a number of sprites :( 17:50:18 <SylvieLorxu> Oh, I see 17:50:24 <SylvieLorxu> Online content manager has it 17:50:33 <SylvieLorxu> Still weird that I have to do that after a new install :x 17:53:58 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.27] has joined #openttd 17:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well it reuses the files you had from your previous install 17:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the main program does not include any graphics 17:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it will download some if you don't have any, but if you have old ones, it doesn't automatically update 17:56:27 <Superuser> which is why I recommended wiping .openttd 17:56:49 <SylvieLorxu> Ah 17:57:12 <Superuser> anyway ottd is the lightest game ever 17:57:18 <Superuser> I'd give up playing games on that laptop altogether 17:57:26 <SylvieLorxu> (It's so difficult to find out the license of stuff...) 17:57:28 <Superuser> (roguelikes don't map to laptop controls so even those are out of the question) 17:57:31 <SylvieLorxu> Superuser: Nethack is lighter 17:57:48 <Superuser> but the controls don't work =p 17:57:53 <Superuser> you need a numpad 17:57:58 <SylvieLorxu> Not really 17:58:00 <Superuser> unless you like remapping lots of keys 17:58:16 <SylvieLorxu> I just need to switch back to qwerty for Nethack but meh... 17:58:32 <SylvieLorxu> Can't be bothered 18:02:58 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause> do not wipe .openttd 18:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not worth the trouble 18:11:16 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:37 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:55c2:14e7:73df:a713] has joined #openttd 18:19:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r26541 /branches/1.4 (16 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-29 18:18:52 UTC) 18:19:03 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 18:19:04 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Prevent comparing to NULL when strndup could not allocate memory (r26476) 18:19:05 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Potentially undefined shifts in NewGRF code (r26475) 18:19:06 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Make sure there is no uninitialised sprite data (r26473) 18:19:07 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 18:21:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26542 /branches/1.4 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-29 18:21:49 UTC) 18:21:58 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 18:21:59 <DorpsGek> - Change: Remove demand calculation based on tiles (r26484) 18:22:00 <DorpsGek> - Fix: Allow single-vehicle consists to station-refit in a meaningful way (r26483) 18:26:48 *** jrambo [~jrambo@77-46-208-101.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 18:27:12 *** sylvieL [~sylvie@dslb-088-076-094-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 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18:41:30 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 18:41:31 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [Windows] Crash when the operating system performs the "paint" callback during window creation [FS#5994] (r26539, r26538) 18:41:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: OpenBSD compilation [FS#5992] (r26523) 18:41:33 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: prevent from ever reading huge (or negative) amounts of data in strgen (r26521) 18:41:34 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 18:49:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:31 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 19:09:49 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:09:57 <Xaroth|Work> he's at it again 19:11:09 <Phreeze> cya Bayern 19:13:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:33:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> who cares? 19:37:06 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> this keeps getting better https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1313885 19:41:12 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 19:41:23 * sylvieL slowly claps 19:41:27 *** sylvieL is now known as SylvieLorxu 19:41:59 <frosch123> does that change your nick? 19:42:13 <SylvieLorxu> Haha, no 19:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> clap on clap off? 19:42:30 <SylvieLorxu> I dc'd, and XChat doesn't automatically change it back to my preferred nick 19:42:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B521.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you can probably script that 19:44:34 <andythenorth> bonsoir 19:46:27 <Eddi|zuHause> bien sur 19:57:12 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection 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normal breakdowns 20:09:25 <Phreeze> does inflation include cargo payment ? 20:09:33 <Samu> yes 20:09:43 <Phreeze> so why do i make less and less profit ? :) 20:09:53 <Phreeze> i had a game with 50 years inflation 20:10:01 <Phreeze> an engine cost me 1.4million eur xD 20:10:13 <Samu> that should balance aircraft 20:10:21 <Samu> can't mass em 20:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> inflation for income is lower than for expenses 20:11:10 <Samu> problem with inflation is who joins later in the game 20:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> after 170 years of inflation, you need about 5 times the income 20:12:28 <Phreeze> which is weird, cause stuff gets more expensive cause of industries etc 20:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (1.Ã4/1.03)**170 20:12:28 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 20:12:35 <Samu> how does the loan work with inflation? 20:12:35 <Phreeze> so people must pay more for the train 20:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (1.04/1.03)**170 20:12:52 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 5.16820201339 20:13:09 <Samu> the permissable max loan on year 170? 20:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: max loan gets increased 20:13:14 <Phreeze> when inflation reaches "high" amounts, you loan is long payed off ;) 20:13:27 <Phreeze> isnt it fixed ?? 20:13:32 <Phreeze> like 1 mio max ? 20:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:13:46 <Phreeze> so it will be 2mio 20:13:50 <Phreeze> 400max * 5 20:13:58 <Phreeze> @calc 400*5 20:13:58 <DorpsGek> Phreeze: 2000 20:14:00 <Phreeze> ! 20:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (1.04)**170 20:14:19 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 786.443777924 20:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the actual inflation 20:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so if it was 1Mio at game start, it's 786Mio after 170 years 20:15:22 <Samu> but everything costs 5 times more, right? 20:15:27 <Samu> not good :( 20:15:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> especially short routes will become unprofitable 20:16:37 <Samu> is it even possible to start any route by then? 170 years after, starting as a new company? 20:17:01 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not 20:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to balance out the inflation spread by your network effect, a fresh route will never have any such effect 20:18:24 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> with your start loan you can buy the same number of vehicles/tracks, but the running costs will eat you up 20:19:52 <Samu> I see 20:24:23 <andythenorth> what causes auto-refit to fail? 20:24:28 <andythenorth> itâs an issue with my grf 20:25:27 <planetmaker> good evening 20:25:38 <andythenorth> auto-refit / auto-replace 20:25:40 <andythenorth> stupid andythenorth 20:26:17 <andythenorth> the auto-replace UI allows me to set up the auto-replace rule 20:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "The christian-democratic party (conservatives) are outraged about (social-democratic/labour) former chancellor Schröder attending Putin's birthday party, even though the christian-democratic head of foreign policy was also attending the party" 20:26:24 <andythenorth> but it fails silently in depot 20:26:30 <andythenorth> force-upgrade button fails also 20:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: wagon-attach callback? 20:27:13 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:47 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: not used 20:27:57 <andythenorth> cargo refits donât match 100% 20:28:12 <andythenorth> wonder if itâs that 20:28:38 <planetmaker> they better match. iirc 20:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean cargos or cargo subtypes? 20:29:40 <andythenorth> the currently refitted cargo in the source vehicle is a valid refit for the target (new) vehicle 20:29:58 <andythenorth> but the values for refittable properties are not identical for both types 20:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> does it work if you separate the vehicles from the chain, and then use the upgrade button? 20:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> did you set autoreplace for the correct vehicle group? 20:30:44 <andythenorth> no groups 20:32:24 *** Progman 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