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00:10:11 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:35:31 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 00:46:04 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:e1a0:f922:bfe0:6b10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:20 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 01:01:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:14:51 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:18:54 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:20:30 *** Twyster [~oftc-webi@d154-20-96-6.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:42 <Twyster> I've got a problem saving a scenario. "File not writable" and I've tried running the game as an administrator and saving it to other locations. Just got the computer back from the shop yesterday so that might have something to do with it. 01:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> probably something to do with directory permissions 01:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> can you try a USB drive or something? 01:40:41 <Twyster> It's running off of a USB external drive, but the default save directory is in My Documents. 01:41:37 <Twyster> The first place I tried to save it to to fix the problem was on the external drive the game was running off of. 01:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... 01:44:57 <Eddi|zuHause> usually when this happens people try to write to the program files directory or something 01:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but can you check the directory permissions anyway? 01:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it could in theory also be an antivirus or similar protection mechanism 01:47:00 <Twyster> Everything except special permissions is checked on the default (My Documents) directory. Checking the external drive now... 01:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have nmver heard of that actually happening 01:47:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:49:39 <Twyster> Yeah, all permissions except special permissions are enabled. Maybe the Nightly has a bug? 01:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i find that unlikely 01:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can try another version without closing your current one 01:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> just download the zip and unpack it 01:53:21 <Twyster> I just tried the last stable release. No problems. Something went wrong. 01:53:30 <Twyster> With the Nightly I mean. 01:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> can you find out which exact nightly starts to go wrong? 01:55:15 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 01:56:21 <Twyster> I was using r26540. I'll go back through the revisions one by one after I check the change logs for likely culprits. 01:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause> try also using that nightly installed on other locations? in case it's really like an antivirus blocking the writing 02:00:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:59 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:01:07 <Twyster> r26540 and the Last Stable were installed in the same folder (different subfolders for each of course). I don't think it's Bitdefender. 02:03:01 <Twyster> I just swapped the locations of the installation. Put r26540 into a temporary folder and put the Last Stable into the folder that r26540 was in. 02:03:18 <Twyster> The stable didn't have a problem saving a scenario. 02:05:30 <Twyster> r26539 had a change where "Fix [FS#5994]: [Windows] Crash due to assuming (formerly) _video_driver is being set before the operating system has time to perform the first "paint" callback". The shop I got my computer fixed at did a video driver adjustment. But... 02:06:13 <Twyster> r26526 had a change in the handling of scenario generation. "Remove: Ability to set map generation seed via GUI. If you really need it, use the console." 02:06:40 <Twyster> I'm going to test the revisions preceeding those two first. 02:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing of that should matter 02:10:20 <Twyster> Where are the revision downloads? I think there's nothing for it but to go back one-by-one and test them all. 02:11:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you can get the nightlies at binaries.openttd.org 02:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you want individual revisions you need to check out the source and compile 02:15:50 <Twyster> I guess I'll be playing the stable release for now... Thanks for your help. 02:20:56 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.27] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC - The only client that takes care of your wife while sancho not come. 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moin 06:11:04 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:19 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:13:09 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:14 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has joined #openttd 06:13:32 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:35 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:16:12 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:16:13 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:22 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:33:34 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:43 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has joined #openttd 07:35:21 <supermop> hi 07:36:18 <supermop> just had the pleasure of carrying a roll of carpet on a train, then a bus 07:36:35 <supermop> plus around 1000m of walking 07:43:09 <__ln___> i assume 'm' stands for meters and not miles here 07:44:43 <supermop> i don't i would have bothered with the bus or train if i was walking that far already! 07:58:30 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@sipb-tor.mit.edu] has joined #openttd 08:00:05 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:02 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 08:18:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DF5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B521.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:23:05 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 09:23:21 <Flygon> supermop: I presume you've seen the Chasers clip where they try to take furnature onto PT 09:35:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:59 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i've transported a refrigerator by train 09:38:16 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:41:08 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41:29 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:38 <__ln___> i heard of someone who transported an electric sauna stove in airplane... as hand luggage. 09:47:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea how large a sauna stone is 09:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> *stove 09:49:30 <peter1139> A stove is an enclosed space in which fuel is burned to provide heating 09:49:39 <peter1139> Burning that electricity yo 09:50:40 *** fjb is now known as Guest8176 09:50:42 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:57 <__ln___> it must be the correct term, it's from wikipedia 09:52:09 <__ln___> anyway, small electric ones are something around 60Ã50Ã30 cm or so. 09:57:40 *** Guest8176 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:49 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:36 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:23 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 10:07:55 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:17:50 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:37 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:22:09 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 10:30:17 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:33:51 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 10:42:28 <supermop> no idea what chasers is, Flygon 10:42:49 <supermop> i've carried lots of furniture on the subway in new york 10:42:51 <Flygon> The Chasers War on Everything? 10:43:08 <supermop> and a stack of steel stools on two trams here 10:43:29 <Flygon> Carrying Washing Machines is aperantly very common on the Metro here 10:43:30 <supermop> a small table on the 86 as well 10:44:19 <Flygon> ...wait, how do yoy carry a table onto a Tram? 10:44:22 <Flygon> Low floor? 10:44:25 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:39 <supermop> nope, 86 is all B-class 10:45:08 <Flygon> Far out 10:45:18 <Flygon> Cop flak from the driver? 10:45:23 <supermop> in new york, a ladder, various chairs, cabinetry, lots of shelving, 10:45:25 <Flygon> Then again, you did say small 10:45:45 <supermop> dont know, boarded in the center door 10:46:09 <Flygon> Ah, right, I forgot that's easier to get into 10:46:10 <supermop> bus driver tonight was a bit sceptical looking 10:46:36 <supermop> and then i accidentally pulled the cord for the stop too soon 10:46:40 <Flygon> Ah, a guy tried to take a home entertainment system (sans TV) onto the bus I was on... 10:46:54 <Flygon> Since it was peak hour, and a high floor bus 10:46:58 <Flygon> It was a no sell 10:47:50 <supermop> and had to get off there, but then traffic was such that i was keeping pace with the bus as i walked with my carpet, getting a weirder look from the driver for that than when i got on in the first place 10:47:57 <Samu> how do I keep someone's password on their company when I save the game? 10:48:28 <Samu> i had to go to sleep, but today, I loaded that save to continue 10:48:37 <Samu> companies had no password :( 10:49:22 <supermop> no idea Samu 10:49:27 <supermop> sorry 10:50:07 <Samu> had the inconvenient of a random guy coming in and ruining a company 10:50:10 <Samu> :( 10:51:28 <Flygon> Ouch 10:51:30 <Flygon> >_< 10:51:31 <Flygon> Sorry 10:52:01 <Samu> i re-loaded the save game to recover, but some time was lost 10:57:05 <V453000> Samu: passwords are saved on server, not in savegame 10:57:12 <V453000> so if you reload a save on server, pws get lost 10:58:31 <Samu> i was hosting 10:59:20 <Samu> how would I recover the passwords then? 11:00:08 <planetmaker> there are no passwords after reload 11:02:21 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:02:27 <Samu> hmm, how do I protect a company after re-load? 11:02:33 <Samu> is it possible? 11:03:55 <supermop> could you set a password for it yourself, then if the legitimate owner asks for it, you give it to them? 11:05:03 <planetmaker> Samu, set passwords after loading a map 11:05:14 <planetmaker> just like supermop says 11:08:27 <Samu> done 11:08:40 <Samu> not optimal, but it can work 11:09:34 <Samu> strange bug 11:09:45 <planetmaker> it's not a bug 11:10:14 <Samu> i can click to buy 25% shares of company 2, but not of company 4, while being a spectator 11:10:19 <Samu> sorry, it's something else 11:10:26 <Samu> company 1 is an AI 11:10:33 <Samu> can't buy his shares 11:10:33 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@169.72.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:02 <planetmaker> companies need to have a certain age before you can trade their shares 11:11:02 <Samu> can't buy shares anyway 11:11:31 <Samu> i am a spectator, and the buy / sell 25% shares is not greyed out 11:12:10 <Samu> what age do they need? 11:12:22 <planetmaker> dunno. check wiki 11:12:25 <planetmaker> a few years 11:12:59 <Samu> im posting a screenshot, it will speak for itself 11:13:18 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:e1a0:f922:bfe0:6b10] has joined #openttd 11:14:29 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/FcBQ190.png 11:15:14 <Samu> Pink is the AI - company 1 11:19:46 <V453000> not like the shares are anyhow impactful 11:29:14 <planetmaker> what openttd version, samu? 11:29:22 <Samu> 1.4.0 11:31:53 <supermop> these listings claim to versand weltweit, but i somehow don't believe that they will sent to australia, nor that aus customs will let the item through 11:32:47 <pthagnar> the face generator really does make some funny looking people 11:33:01 <planetmaker> Samu, that should be fixed in trunk and is scheduled for backport to 1.4.1 11:33:49 <planetmaker> you could try with a nightly to check 11:34:45 <planetmaker> supermop, why not? Of course you might need to pay duties. Or they fraudulently send it as 'gift' 11:35:34 <planetmaker> and if it's "weltweit", parcels from Germany (or Austria or Switzerland) are not that suspicious, are they? 11:38:12 <Samu> ok, thanks 11:40:23 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:e1a0:f922:bfe0:6b10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:48 <supermop> everything entering australia seems to be suspicious 11:41:27 <supermop> amazon will ship shampoo to me here, but not a case for my nexus, nor any of the headphones i want to buy 11:41:45 <supermop> nor the bluetooth speak i want 11:42:15 <Xaroth|Work> duh 11:42:21 <Xaroth|Work> nexus cases don't kill people 11:42:23 <Xaroth|Work> neither do headphones 11:42:24 <Samu> looks like im missing files 11:42:31 <Xaroth|Work> the australians only want things that can kill you in an instant 11:42:38 <Xaroth|Work> like crocodiles, and venomous snakes 11:42:49 <Xaroth|Work> your headphones are too soft for them 11:42:53 <planetmaker> two-step poison for the win 11:42:54 <Samu> downloaded trunk into a zip file, must I replace the original install? 11:43:00 <supermop> all of which are available from various Australian sellers and stores at anywhere from 150-300% of what they cost is other 'expensive' countries... 11:43:18 <Xaroth|Work> that's due to the added lethality of the items :) 11:43:22 <Samu> can i rename openttd.exe to something different? 11:43:24 <planetmaker> Samu, no, just unpack in a separate dir 11:43:31 <supermop> i feel like a 50 year old heizlufter should be acceptably dangerous... 11:43:34 <Samu> I did, it doesn't run 11:43:53 <Samu> missing files from original tycoon CD, and a corrupt opensfx.grf 11:43:56 <planetmaker> unpack the *whole* zip in a separate dir 11:44:59 <Samu> opensfx0.2.3/something.cat 11:45:49 <Samu> TRG1R.GRF, other similar named files are missing 11:46:34 <Samu> i need to copy these files over to the extracted folder 11:46:55 <planetmaker> no. You should copy them to the *shared* documents folder. Readme section 4 11:47:50 <Samu> C:\Users\Ricardo\Documents\OpenTTD - this one? 11:48:09 <planetmaker> obviously there are sub-folders 11:48:44 <Samu> im figuring out. When I installed 1.4.0, it must have put those files in program files 11:49:12 <planetmaker> that's bit of a bad place. Maybe the installer did so, dunno 11:49:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:55 <Samu> just found them 11:50:01 <Samu> the installer put them here: C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\baseset\opensfx 11:50:26 <Wolf01> hello 11:50:58 <Samu> and the TRGxx.GRF files were installed here C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\baseset 11:51:31 <Samu> so I just copy the baseset folder into shared documents baseset? 11:51:36 <Samu> it's empty btw 11:52:45 <planetmaker> just copy everything in C:\Program Files\OpenTTD to C:\Users\Ricardo\Documents\OpenTTD 11:52:51 <planetmaker> including every frigging directory 11:52:53 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 11:57:20 <Samu> it works 11:57:32 <Samu> i only had to copy what was inside baseset 11:59:19 <Samu> i got put right into the AI company 11:59:33 <planetmaker> yes, mind my advise when you encounter the next problem with "I don't find X but the other install finds it" 11:59:33 <Samu> i can build 12:00:12 <planetmaker> and pay me 10⬠when you come with a question whose answer is "copy..." ;) 12:00:27 <Samu> ok 12:00:29 <Samu> lol 12:01:43 <Samu> well, the shares thing is now fixed, but I'm put right into company 1, which is owned by an AI 12:01:44 <Samu> and I can build on it 12:02:15 <planetmaker> part of the answer might cost 10⬠:P 12:04:38 <Samu> it also fixes that bug I reported yesterday or before 12:04:48 <Samu> but company 1 in this case is an AI 12:04:50 <Samu> :( 12:06:12 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.235.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:33 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@9YYAALIZ4.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 12:10:14 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.235.170] has joined #openttd 12:12:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:29 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:23:55 <Samu> nevermind, it didn't fix the bug I reported 12:24:08 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6001?project=1 12:25:16 <Samu> i have an idea, when hosting, just host as a spectator, no companies 12:25:46 <Samu> when restarting, it should behave better 12:26:12 <Samu> it restarts hosting, no companies again 12:26:22 <Samu> but I'm no programmer 12:26:36 <Samu> could be wrong 12:32:34 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:44:19 <Samu> there's yet another bug! 12:45:01 <Samu> when an AI starts a company, it comes with a lock icon next to his password 12:45:20 <Samu> if I save the game and load it back, the lock disappears 12:45:44 <Samu> not sure how this will affect autoclean, but I assume the worst 12:48:55 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:49:27 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 12:51:01 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 12:54:37 <Samu> grr, i can't reproduce the bug 12:54:45 <Samu> must have been the effect of "restart" in console 12:59:43 <Samu> question: Can AIs set passwords for their companies? 13:07:10 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:09 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 13:17:20 <Samu> strange bug finding today, now with save game 13:17:52 <Samu> it was supposed to save as PAXLink, *random_date-1951* 13:18:13 <Samu> it saved as another name 13:18:43 <Samu> On Your Way Transport, *random-date-1982* 13:19:12 <Samu> that was an AI name from another save game 13:19:26 <Samu> at least the savegame file itself was saved properly 13:19:41 <Samu> only the name was not 13:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> did you click on the savegame and it changed its name so it would overwrite it? 13:25:56 <Samu> nope 13:26:21 <Samu> the other save didn't even have that name 13:26:37 <Samu> it was AK Transport 13:30:02 <Samu> omg 13:30:15 <Samu> it ate a savegame after all 13:30:25 <Samu> i swear I did not click on it 13:30:41 <Samu> it was saying PAXLink when saving 13:30:52 <Samu> it overwritten On Your Way Transport instead 13:30:57 <Samu> bah.... 13:32:57 <Samu> that was my backup save of my server 13:35:17 <Samu> I'm searching my whole computer for a PAXLink file 13:36:22 <Samu> PAXLink-14.tar 13:36:22 <Samu> bah, that's not it 13:36:45 <Samu> there is no other PAXLink files 13:37:23 <Samu> no PAXLink save game at all :/ 14:05:48 <Samu> wow, im on a roll today (sorry, another bug) 14:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, but "inability to use the program correctly" is not a bug 14:06:43 <Samu> when running in window mode and right click dragging the screen to scroll the mouse 14:06:49 <Samu> oops, to scroll the screen 14:07:03 <Samu> and then another window popup in the meanwhile 14:07:17 <Samu> the game keeps dragging the window 14:07:26 <Samu> and I can't put my mosue cursor over it 14:07:42 <Samu> can't stop dragging 14:07:57 <planetmaker> that bug exists somewhere in the bug database 14:08:54 <Samu> i alt-tabbed back into the openttd window fine, though still moving the screen as if the right button wasn't released 14:09:07 <Samu> right clicked to release and it fixed it 14:09:32 <Samu> Eddi|zuHause: the save game problem is real 14:09:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 14:09:43 <andythenorth> FIRS is remarkably unpopular 14:09:45 <Samu> i did save again just to make sure 14:10:02 <Samu> it was saying it was going to save as PAXLink once more 14:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't doubt you have a problem, but i do doubt it's a bug 14:10:14 <Samu> it saved as On Your Way Transport 14:11:01 <Samu> and that was the name of another savegame, it's gone now 14:11:02 <Samu> it ate it 14:12:00 <Samu> didn't even ask if it was going to overwrite 14:12:08 <Samu> just saved right away 14:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> did it ever do that? 14:12:30 <Samu> yes 14:12:51 <Samu> it must be related with restart command in console, I was toying with that 14:12:58 <Samu> i will try to recreate the steps 14:14:08 <andythenorth> 22k downloads for FIRS vs. 256k for ECS and 43k for TAI Industries 14:16:15 <Rubidium> last update was 1 week vs 2 years vs 6 months ago? 14:18:53 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:21 <planetmaker> @calc 256 / 104 14:20:21 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2.46153846154 14:20:30 <planetmaker> so, 10x the ECS downloads :P 14:20:48 <planetmaker> @calc 43/24 14:20:48 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1.79166666667 14:20:51 <planetmaker> same with TAI 14:20:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I was pulling numbers out of thin air 14:21:01 <planetmaker> bad math is bad, though 14:22:12 <Samu> could it be because of different openttd versions? 14:22:29 <Samu> the save was 1.4.0, loading on r24xxx something 14:22:55 <Samu> loaded an old save 14:23:00 <Samu> then restart on console 14:23:06 <Samu> then save game 14:23:06 <Samu> could that be it? 14:23:51 <planetmaker> by pure speculation it similarily could be caused by the butterfly in china 14:24:18 <Samu> r26540, sorry 14:24:39 <Samu> r26540 loaded a 1.4.0, then restart, then save game 14:24:51 <Samu> some stuff happening inbetween like autoclean, joining spectators, damn i must find what caused it 14:27:47 <Samu> question: Can AIs set passwords for their companies? 14:27:56 <Samu> that needed answer 14:28:32 <planetmaker> https://nogo.openttd.org/api/ <-- find out 14:32:52 <Samu> no? 14:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause> people shouln't be able to join AI companies 14:36:30 <Samu> i have an AI company with a lock, I suspect it was due to autocleaning a human passworded company 14:36:51 <Samu> an AI took its slot, and also the password 14:37:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 14:38:04 <Samu> hence my question 14:38:12 <Samu> can AIs set passwords for their companies? 14:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you "suspect" too much, instead of giving reproducible steps 14:39:01 <Samu> easy 14:39:10 <Samu> start a multiplayer game 14:39:23 <Samu> move yourself to spectator 14:39:33 <Samu> wait for an AI to begin 14:39:56 <Samu> forgot to say, I have the default password button pressed 14:40:33 <Samu> wait for your company to auto-clean and some AI to take its spot 14:40:43 <Samu> autocleaning no vehicles 14:41:26 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 14:43:37 <Samu> about the save game bug, I almost reproduced it, now I'm getting a different behaviour, an error 14:44:13 <Samu> when I'm saving, an error says, Game Save Failed. File not writable 14:44:42 <Samu> it is attempting to save as AIAI, 1951-03-11 14:47:30 <Samu> tried with another name, still the same error 14:47:47 <Samu> can't save game at all 14:47:55 <Samu> now due to error 14:49:06 <Samu> gonna try to reproduce the savegame again, and if I get the same behaviour, I'm creating a bug report on flyspray 14:50:52 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:48 <Samu> well well 15:00:01 <Samu> it happens in r26540 and not on 1.4.0 15:00:08 <Samu> shall I report ? 15:06:21 <Eddi|zuHause> may be related to this one: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70472&view=unread#unread 15:07:59 <Samu> it's running as admin 15:08:04 <Samu> cannot save game 15:08:20 <Samu> that's the error I get 15:08:48 <Samu> gonna try to save somewhere else 15:09:23 <Samu> can't save anywhere 15:09:27 <Samu> c: 15:09:29 <Samu> d: 15:12:34 <Samu> damn, this is much easier to reproduce than I thougt 15:12:47 <Samu> start a game, try to save 15:12:49 <Samu> error 15:12:57 <Samu> or 15:13:05 <Samu> load a game 15:13:12 <Samu> save the game 15:13:27 <Samu> will overwrite the loaded game instead 15:13:42 <Samu> no matter the name it shows 15:14:22 <Samu> this is for r26540 15:20:20 *** funnel [~funnel@23.226.237.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:39 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:28 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:17 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 15:34:12 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:43:37 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 15:45:37 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 15:47:42 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 15:50:10 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6002 15:57:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-94-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:03:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:22:07 *** MrShell [~mrshell@5.158.163.93] has joined #openttd 16:22:19 *** MrShell [~mrshell@5.158.163.93] has quit [] 16:31:38 <Samu> the AI with a lock icon (company passworded): https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6003 16:41:24 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 16:41:46 <Phreeze> yo 16:41:57 <Samu> hi 16:43:16 <Phreeze> does anybody know sth about lego mindstorms ? :D 16:45:12 <peter1139> sth! 16:45:53 <Phreeze> something :) 16:47:10 <Samu> this just in, another bug, I am so sorry 16:47:50 <Samu> this one is related to Pathfinder for ships, must check which one it is 16:48:06 <Samu> it's YAPF 16:48:30 <Samu> the ship is trying to service at a ship depot 16:48:42 <Samu> to do that, it must turn back 16:49:09 <Samu> when it goes the opposite direction, his order switches to going again to a dock, turning back again 16:49:10 <Samu> it's on a loop 16:49:12 <Samu> doing this 16:49:25 <Samu> back and forth, neither going to depot, nor dock 16:53:05 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@bolobolo1.torservers.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:14 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:41 <Samu> come to Vulturis citybuilder server if you want to take a look, it's Ship 7 16:58:25 <Samu> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/66863 17:02:29 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:12:34 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 17:14:02 <Xaroth|Work> Samu: you can easily fix that by forcing the ship to do something else :| 17:19:49 <Samu> done 17:20:19 <Samu> this path finder is actually good 17:21:06 <Samu> needs a little bit of tweaking when servicing, but for the rest, it really takes the correct paths 17:23:14 *** NGC982 [~kruger@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:21 <NGC982> Good evening. 17:23:31 <NGC982> I just upgraded my laptops to Windows 8. 17:23:38 <NGC982> Also, OpenTTD to version 1.4.0. 17:23:44 * Phreeze hands a medal over to NGC982 17:23:56 <Samu> you mean windblows 8 as I name it 17:24:05 <NGC982> For some reason, i keep loosing connection to any server i try to connect to. 17:24:25 <Samu> must be windblows firewall? 17:24:41 <NGC982> A firewall setting that let's me play "a bit"? 17:25:18 <Samu> then.... wireless? 17:25:23 <NGC982> An OpenTTD related issue is not probable, but i just need to know if anyone of you recognice this, so i can take it off my list. 17:25:28 <NGC982> Yes, wireless. 17:25:56 <Samu> ok, try restarting modem/windblows 17:26:18 <Samu> i have the same issue, and it's not just for openttd 17:26:26 <Samu> i know for sure it's my wireless 17:27:27 <glx> crappy wireless router ;) 17:27:52 <NGC982> Absolutely not. 17:28:11 <NGC982> I can measure latency, transfer, over head and similar. 17:28:13 <NGC982> Not an issue. 17:28:33 <NGC982> I do think it's w8 that's hasseling with application allowance on my wifi connection. 17:28:53 <NGC982> max_lag_time 32000 did not make any difference. :( 17:29:46 <Samu> my ping isn't constant to my router 17:30:05 <Samu> and sometimes it doesn't ping, i get general error 17:30:15 <Samu> that's when I disconnect from games, internet 17:30:18 <Samu> then it comes back 17:30:22 <Samu> like nothing happened 17:30:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d011a33.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:32 <NGC982> Hey, what on earth. 17:34:10 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:39 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:06 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@9YYAALJJ0.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 17:45:43 <Phreeze> NGC982 solved ? 17:45:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26545 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2014-04-30 17:45:35 UTC) 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> catalan - 1 changes by juanjo 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> croatian - 27 changes by VoyagerOne 17:45:49 <DorpsGek> czech - 4 changes by djst 17:45:50 <DorpsGek> korean - 8 changes by telk5093 17:56:28 <NGC982> Phreeze: No, it did not. 17:57:44 <NGC982> Phreeze: But yes, i now know it is not OpenTTD related. 17:58:50 <Phreeze> torrent runnin ? 17:58:59 <Phreeze> or other stuff that establishes a lot of connections 17:59:39 <Samu> me? I'm using onedrive to sync folders 17:59:53 <NGC982> No, nothing like that. I removed every other process in my router simply to try this. 18:00:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:00:43 <Samu> i should be getting 300 Mbps when transferring to another computer, I get way less 18:01:08 <Phreeze> 300mbit ? 18:01:12 <Phreeze> wifi ? 18:01:18 <Samu> the other is cabled, so it's 1 Gbps 18:01:29 <Phreeze> thats only theorie 18:01:31 <Rubidium> so, what are you getting? 18:01:35 <Samu> it's a wireless network card 18:01:35 <Phreeze> -ie +y 18:01:43 <Samu> it's some TPLink model 18:01:46 <Markk> The HDD is the weak spot. 18:02:16 <NGC982> Markk: Hi. 18:06:10 <Samu> ok, it's copying files 18:06:28 <Samu> averaging 20 Mbps 18:06:38 <Samu> should be 300 18:06:38 <Samu> meh 18:07:32 <Rubidium> or is it saying MBps? 18:08:01 <Phreeze> MB = megabyte Mb = megabit 18:08:06 <Phreeze> 1byte = 8bit 18:08:13 <Samu> it's Mbps I/O 18:08:16 <Rubidium> because, at least in Windows, it's showing MB/s, not Mb/s 18:08:19 <Phreeze> nvm, have to go 18:08:27 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has quit [] 18:08:57 <Rubidium> alternatively, your wifi is on a crowded channel with lots of interference 18:09:31 <Samu> not crowded at all 18:09:41 <Samu> there's barely anyone with internet where I live 18:09:56 <Rubidium> doesn't mean they aren't on the same channel you use 18:10:21 <Samu> how do I check that? 18:10:24 <Samu> in the router page? 18:10:34 <peter1139> WiFi never gets anywhere near the full stated speed. 18:11:08 <Rubidium> you'd need some tools to see what channels the nearby wireless network are on. I wouldn't know how that's called on Windows though 18:12:18 <Samu> channel 6, 9, 11 are being used by... APs? 18:12:51 <Samu> it is listing 5 nearby networks 18:12:58 <Samu> they're using those 3 channels 18:13:35 <Samu> I'm currently on channel 6 18:16:36 <Samu> windows isn't detecting any other wi-fi except mine 18:16:42 <Samu> there's really no one here 18:17:16 <Samu> with 3 bars only 18:17:17 <Samu> t.t 18:17:22 <Samu> poor signal 18:22:20 <Rubidium> not being able to detect doesn't mean it doesn't disrupt the signals of your network 18:29:53 <Samu> wait, im photoshoping my connection 18:31:20 <Samu> the modem detects less APs nearby now 18:31:20 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/ujuvSZh.png 18:31:54 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-178-001-036-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:58 <Samu> do you know how to interpret that? 18:35:00 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@169.72.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:28 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:30 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C332A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:05:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:05:34 <Samu> hi orudeg 19:06:16 <Samu> do you remember me? 19:07:25 <Samu> orudge: 19:11:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DF5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:22:50 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 19:27:51 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 19:33:48 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:e1a0:f922:bfe0:6b10] has joined #openttd 19:37:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:44:05 *** DanMacK1 [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:13 <DanMacK1> hey all 19:44:37 <DanMacK1> @seen Andythenorth 19:44:37 <DorpsGek> DanMacK1: Andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <andythenorth> 22k downloads for FIRS vs. 256k for ECS and 43k for TAI Industries 19:47:13 <Samu> it takes 53 seconds CPU time to generate a 4096x4096 map 19:47:46 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:30 <Samu> buf AMD 19:49:13 <__ln___> 53 seconds CPU time or wall clock time? 19:49:25 <Samu> cpu time in task manager 19:49:41 <__ln___> ok 19:49:57 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:58 <Samu> now generating using zBase 19:50:02 <Samu> must be fun... 19:52:24 <Samu> 54 seconds 19:54:34 <Samu> takes 6% cpu usage just to run the game 19:55:49 <Samu> generating map takes 13% cpu usage 19:56:09 <Samu> 12.5%, it's single-threaded, right? 19:56:11 <Samu> 8 cores 19:57:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:07 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:42 <andythenorth> o/ 19:59:56 <andythenorth> DanMacK: hi hi 20:00:30 <glx> Samu: there's a thread for the progressbar IIRC 20:01:04 <andythenorth> weâll just not discuss the war-themed newgrfs, right? :) 20:01:09 <frosch123> Samu: enable all ecs vectors, set high industry density, and wait 3 hours for a 4kx4k map 20:01:32 <glx> and have no industries on the map at the end ;) 20:01:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 20:01:57 <Samu> ECS? 20:02:11 <frosch123> some newgrf 20:02:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 20:03:34 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:55 *** DanMacK1 is now known as DanMacK 20:05:11 <Samu> 3 hours? 20:05:38 <frosch123> try it :) 20:06:07 <Samu> i filter by ECS and then Add all those listed? 20:06:11 <Samu> any parameters? 20:06:12 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.27] has joined #openttd 20:06:15 <frosch123> no 20:06:23 <Samu> ok 20:06:30 <Superuser> I wish there was a newgrf that made ottd scoring actually decent 20:06:34 <Superuser> it's the only weak part of the game 20:06:45 <frosch123> Superuser: it's called a "game script" 20:06:53 <Superuser> explain 20:06:57 <frosch123> google yourself 20:07:09 <Samu> what about sea level? 20:07:18 <Samu> how much? 20:07:36 <Superuser> give me an example of a good one that e.g. makes buses actually useful, doesn't make anyone with airplanes instantly win (servers turning off that functionality is NOT a solution) 20:08:40 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-94-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:55 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 20:09:01 <frosch123> win with airplanes instantly? 20:09:15 <frosch123> just enable infra maintenance 20:09:40 <frosch123> increase the base cost, watch them bankrupt 20:09:51 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-25-152.ppp.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:54 <frosch123> it's very easy to make aircraft unviable 20:10:29 <Superuser> aircraft, sure 20:10:49 <Superuser> but the fact is that by default, buses are not just unviable, they mean you can't compete at all if you even have a bus 20:11:11 <Superuser> due to the way scoring works in the game, you need a minimum income and buses do not deliver that 20:11:17 <Samu> make terrain super rough 20:11:23 <Samu> mountainous 20:11:28 <frosch123> maybe that's the idea of the score :) 20:11:29 <Samu> town very hostil 20:11:47 <frosch123> the score creator hated busses 20:11:48 <Samu> and generate map with trees enabled 20:12:06 <Samu> town noise enable 20:12:16 <andythenorth> Supercheese: scoring? wtf is that? 20:13:57 <frosch123> Superuser: anyway, original score is meant to be played with inflation 20:14:06 <Supercheese> ?? 20:14:17 <Supercheese> oh tabcomplete 20:14:25 <andythenorth> sorry :P 20:14:31 <frosch123> you achieve the minimum income score by reaching 2050 and not making a loss 20:15:07 <frosch123> but who plays with the original score anyway? 20:15:27 <Samu> the bowl? 20:15:51 <Samu> it should scale somehow 20:16:06 <frosch123> don't try to solve the wrong problem :) 20:16:32 <Samu> map is still generating 20:16:34 <frosch123> give gs control over the highscore and enjoy the variety of solutions 20:17:34 <Superuser> hmm... so are you suggesting that the standard scoring system is uncommon? FYI, I only plan on private servers with a select group of friends so I'm unaware of mods 20:17:57 <Superuser> if that's thet case, what would you suggest 20:18:28 <frosch123> no idea, i am unable to take competitive gaming serious in ottd 20:18:51 <frosch123> use a game script and add your own scoring 20:19:12 <Samu> map generated 20:19:19 <frosch123> the default scoring is only for people who do not know the game 20:19:20 <Samu> took 10m06s cpu time 20:19:23 <andythenorth> what is the scoring system? 20:19:27 <andythenorth> thereâs a scoring system? 20:19:29 <frosch123> but that is likely the case for every type of scoring 20:20:17 <frosch123> andythenorth: it's a challenge. people try to design scoring systems hoping that other people are not clever enough to cheat it 20:20:27 <Superuser> openttd is a serious game 20:20:29 <frosch123> maybe the solution is in using random scoring 20:20:30 <Superuser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_game 20:20:35 <frosch123> cheating random can be hard 20:20:46 <Samu> it did generate industries 20:20:48 <Superuser> serious games need serious scoring 20:20:53 <Samu> you were saying it would not 20:21:07 <frosch123> only 10 minutes? 20:21:12 <Samu> yea 20:21:23 <frosch123> i would have expected it to be way longer 20:21:25 <andythenorth> we do take the game very seriously 20:21:29 <andythenorth> very seriously indeed 20:21:45 <Samu> should generate faster on intel cpus though 20:21:57 <SylvieLorxu> Haha, these airplanes, just flying around because they can't land, so funny 20:22:03 <SylvieLorxu> Err, yeah, seriously 20:22:25 <andythenorth> the game is definitely not just a glorified trainset 20:22:36 <frosch123> SylvieLorxu: usually people fly around because they enjoy flying, not because they cannot land 20:22:57 <frosch123> but "superman's inability to land" is an interesting twist 20:23:01 <NGC982> Bah. 20:23:16 <NGC982> I still haven't resolved this "Your computer took too long" issue. 20:23:53 <NGC982> "Your computer is too slow" 20:23:54 <NGC982> * 20:23:56 <Samu> what's your internet speed? 20:24:11 <Xaroth|Work> have you tried turning it off and on again? 20:24:27 <NGC982> Samu: WAN is gigabit, Wifi is n-based. 20:24:29 <NGC982> Xaroth|Work: Yes. 20:24:53 <Samu> it goes by the speed of the slowest 20:25:28 <NGC982> Wifi. 20:26:08 <NGC982> There is something with the wifi that is not correct. 20:26:11 <NGC982> But i cannot isolate it. 20:26:51 <Samu> oh, speaking of which 20:26:56 <NGC982> For some reason, this happend after i upgraded from Windows 7 to 8. 20:27:03 <Samu> that's mine - http://i.imgur.com/ujuvSZh.png 20:27:17 <NGC982> Ok. 20:27:26 <NGC982> Let's see if i can analyse the wifi in the e3000. 20:28:02 <Samu> internet is 30 Mbps, Wi-Fi is 300 Mbps, but it's averaging ~20 only :( 20:28:26 <Xaroth|Work> rated connection and actual speeds are two different figures 20:28:30 <Samu> i dont have windows 8, can't help there 20:29:16 <Wolf01> 'night 20:29:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:32:09 <NGC982> The router tells me it's at 100%. 20:32:21 <NGC982> The router tells me it's at 100% signal quality to the MAC address.* 20:33:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:06 <Samu> tp-link? 20:36:09 <Samu> I didn't like the program, it was always losing focus on what I was doing 20:36:19 <Samu> uninstalled it, only kept the drivers 20:36:37 <Samu> bloatware... i hate it 20:37:24 <NGC982> By web download, the wifi manages 4-6Mb/s download speed. 20:38:26 <Samu> megabit? 20:38:43 <Samu> impressive! 20:38:53 <NGC982> It's not, since OpenTTD does not manage to. 20:39:07 <Samu> megabyte or megabit? 20:39:17 <NGC982> Megabits. 20:39:20 <NGC982> Mb. 20:39:38 <Samu> that's still enough imo 20:39:49 <Samu> I was on a 128 kbps a few months ago 20:39:51 <NGC982> Yes, that should not be an issue 20:39:56 <Samu> could only join small maps 20:40:01 <NGC982> The issue is that OpenTTD does not utilize it, for some reason 20:40:08 <Samu> large maps was always kicking me off in the middle of join 20:41:20 <NGC982> I hate everything right now. Imgur refuses to upload my screenshot. 20:41:42 <Samu> format c:, reinstall 20:41:51 <Samu> windows 7 in this case 20:42:11 <Samu> do you have more than 1 network adapter? 20:42:19 <Samu> maybe it's using the wrong one 20:42:26 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-178-001-036-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:30 <NGC982> One router, one wifi adapter per laptop. 20:42:33 <Samu> like, ethernet vs wireless? 20:43:01 <Samu> then I dunno 20:43:43 <Samu> do you know how to rach network settings on windows 8? 20:43:49 <Samu> reach 20:43:59 <Samu> tell it to create the network map 20:44:32 <Samu> or tell it to solve connectivity issues 20:45:46 <NGC982> http://i.imgur.com/s2G0BGn.jpg 20:45:47 <NGC982> There we go 20:46:03 <NGC982> The first bit is a file downloaded via http. 20:46:13 <NGC982> The second small bit is connecting to a OpenTTD server. 20:47:22 <Samu> hmm, can you reach this: http://www.gocomputertraining.com/images/network-and-internet-sharing-center-window.jpg 20:47:30 <NGC982> Yes. 20:47:45 <Samu> ok, click the last one 20:47:54 <Samu> troubleshoting problems 20:48:01 <Samu> then internet connection 20:48:07 <Samu> and hope for the best 20:48:12 <NGC982> That never works. 20:48:16 <NGC982> And it did not work now. 20:48:21 <NGC982> Thanks for the tip, tho. :-) 20:48:55 <Samu> what about the windows firewall? 20:48:58 <Samu> is it allowing openttd.exe? 20:49:05 <Samu> or the router firewall settings 20:49:20 <NGC982> The router allows it 20:49:30 <NGC982> Ill take a look in the Windows firewall. 20:49:54 <__ln___> *I'll, *look at 20:50:13 <__ln___> you're welcome 20:50:52 <NGC982> StÀng nÀbben. 20:50:57 <NGC982> ;-) 20:51:37 <Samu> what 20:51:43 <Samu> C:\program files\openttd\openttd.exe for me 20:51:47 *** Superuser [~superuser@2a02:e00:fffe:fbee::b5a2:2197] has quit [Quit: El Psy Congroo] 20:52:21 <Samu> select domestic and public, since I have no idea which one is trouble 20:52:24 *** Superuser [~superuser@2a02:e00:fffe:fbee::b5a2:2197] has joined #openttd 20:52:38 <Samu> home/work, sorry 20:54:03 <Samu> this is where you need to reach: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=windows+7+firewall&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=0C45D27BB7FD102210F47CAB87F76BCB1D3A0E85&selectedIndex=10 20:54:12 <Samu> oops, http://www.intelliadmin.com/images/Windows%207%20Firewall%20Settings.jpg 20:54:47 <Samu> OpenTTD should be listed there, and allowed on the boxes 20:57:45 * Xaroth|Work shudders 20:57:53 <Xaroth|Work> the fact you used bing cost you cool points 20:57:56 <Xaroth|Work> like, seriously 20:57:59 <Xaroth|Work> lots of cool points 20:58:12 <Superuser> ^ 20:58:22 <Samu> it comes with IE11 20:58:34 <Samu> can't be bother to change it 20:58:35 <Xaroth|Work> the fact you used IE11 cost you cool points 20:58:38 <Xaroth|Work> like, seriously 20:58:39 <Xaroth|Work> lots of cool points 20:59:31 <ST2> saw that coming ^^ (any IE = the perfect browser to download any other :P) 20:59:49 <Samu> this IRC is a webchat too, running on IE 21:00:03 <Samu> https://webchat.oftc.net//?nick=Samu&channels=OpenTTD&uio=MT11bmRlZmluZWQb1 21:00:14 <LordAro> ew 21:00:21 <Xaroth|Work> next you'll be telling me you're running your server as root :| 21:00:22 <frosch123> given that the number of bugs always grows with the square of the version number... maybe ie11 is not that bad compared to other browsers :p 21:00:24 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:04 <Xaroth|Work> frosch123: I had always suspected it to be more of a sine wave 21:01:53 <frosch123> no, sine waves are used to determine whether a programming language shall assign a meaning to $ @ # and stuff 21:02:03 <Xaroth|Work> AH, right 21:03:42 <frosch123> http://www.xkcd.com/1306/ <- found it 21:03:51 <Xaroth|Work> damn, you were faster :P 21:04:14 <Samu> IE is based on Mozilla isn't it? 21:04:19 <Xaroth|Work> lol no 21:04:20 <Taede> o_O 21:04:21 <andythenorth> where is jquery in that curve? 21:04:32 <frosch123> though i recently relearned that in basic stuff ends with $ instead of starting with it 21:05:46 <frosch123> i wonder what's the curve for shift+3 crashing a program 21:05:56 <Xaroth|Work> gheh 21:06:33 <frosch123> shift+3 = § = control code with dos codepage = trouble 21:07:07 <Samu> some websites tells me I'm running IE / Mozilla, how do they detect it? 21:07:14 <Samu> or why they say Mozilla? 21:07:28 <frosch123> lol, ie still says mozilla? 21:07:41 <Xaroth|Work> browsers send a user-agent header with each reques 21:07:47 <Xaroth|Work> so servers know what they are talking to 21:07:50 <frosch123> Samu: mozilla was the name of the first popular web browser 21:07:59 <frosch123> ms did not get that it was a product name, and copied it 21:08:11 <frosch123> thinking it was part of the protocol or something 21:09:09 <Samu> so this ain't a firefox clone? 21:09:19 <frosch123> try 20 years earlier 21:09:20 <Samu> doesn't matter, it works fine for me 21:09:23 <Rubidium> it's merely saying "compatible with mozilla rendering engine 5.0" 21:09:46 <Rubidium> well, or some other mozilla rendering engine that's slightly older 21:09:49 <frosch123> hmm, though firefox is also quite old meanwhile... 21:10:14 <Rubidium> http://www.useragentstring.com/Internet%20Explorer10.0_id_18328.php <- spot the oddity in there ;) 21:10:14 <NGC982> It has resolved itself. 21:10:18 <NGC982> Gosh darn HP drivers. 21:11:12 <Samu> HP drivers? 21:11:14 <frosch123> ah, firefox is already 10 21:11:15 <Xaroth|Work> it's about time that browsers cut down on the crap in the user agent string 21:11:34 <Samu> your printer? 21:11:46 <Rubidium> Xaroth|Work: it's only going to get worse :( 21:12:08 <Rubidium> and occasionally it's just spoofed anyhow 21:12:21 <Samu> a wireless printer or something? what was it? 21:12:21 <Xaroth|Work> yeh, but it could actually be 'useful' :P 21:12:33 <Rubidium> http://www.useragentstring.com/Internet%20Explorer9.0_id_16333.php <- looks spoofed to me ;) 21:14:31 <frosch123> they tell the server about the security settings? 21:14:49 <frosch123> is that useful for advertising? 21:15:10 <frosch123> this user used no security -> offer some spam ware 21:15:20 <frosch123> this user used max security -> offer bloat virus scanner 21:16:06 <frosch123> Rubidium: does the typo in WIndows NT have a meaning? 21:16:18 <NGC982> Samu: Yes, when upgrading to Window 8, the Windows Update downloaded it's own version of the original HP (Windows 7) driver for the laptop. 21:16:18 <Samu> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/hh869301(v=vs.85).aspx#ie11 21:16:31 <Rubidium> frosch123: well that, and the NT 9.0 tells me it's a spoofed one 21:16:32 <NGC982> Samu: Uninstalling it and installing it directly from HP resolved my OpenTTD issue. 21:17:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:19:52 <Samu> just install the driver, HP software is really bloatware, honestly 21:20:01 <Samu> so uneccessary 21:20:38 <Samu> if they should ship a blu-ray with their printer, I bet they would 21:26:30 <frosch123> printers? blu-ray? physical media? 21:26:36 <frosch123> what century are you living in? 21:27:29 <Samu> :( the "driver" is not 40 GB 21:27:29 <Samu> be happy 21:27:54 <peter1139> I like physical media... 21:28:16 <peter1139> For music anyway. I'm not much of a film watcher. 21:29:02 <Samu> one day, file storage will be a thing from the past 21:29:23 <Samu> it's stored on some random server HDD, not on your computer 21:29:40 <Xaroth|Work> HDD? 21:29:44 <Xaroth|Work> what century are you living in? 21:29:52 <Samu> servers use HDDs or not? 21:30:00 <Xaroth|Work> HDDs are -so- 2012 21:30:09 <Samu> those cloud things 21:30:16 <Xaroth|Work> all dem giddy moving parts, they break and stuffs 21:31:00 <Samu> western digital released a 5 TB HDD 21:31:04 <__ln___> the worst part is that HDDs do not have a touch screen 21:31:11 <Samu> this year 21:31:19 <Xaroth|Work> Samu: 6TB disks have been released as well 21:31:24 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:29 <Samu> t.t 21:31:29 <Xaroth|Work> but what's more interesting, are the 1TB SSDs. 21:31:31 <peter1139> That's a lot of data to lose when it dies. 21:32:00 <Xaroth|Work> peter1139: that's what raid is for! 21:32:08 <peter1139> O_o 21:32:16 <Samu> HP however is building some storage device 21:32:27 <Samu> can store petabytes of stuff 21:32:28 <frosch123> oh, a "device" :) 21:32:33 <frosch123> magics! 21:32:34 <Xaroth|Work> 'device', mhm 21:32:46 <Samu> brb let me search that 21:32:58 <Xaroth|Work> seriously though, with 4TB disks, PB-sized devices are already obtainable 21:33:00 <peter1139> Not sure what the general proportion of SSD or HDD on servers is at the moment. 21:33:02 <frosch123> maybe it's powered with the souls of dead printers? 21:33:03 <Xaroth|Work> you just need a bunch of sas expanders :| 21:33:09 <peter1139> I know that there isn't a single SSD where I work. 21:33:21 <Xaroth|Work> peter1139: at this point, mostly HDD, but SSDs are in the uprise 21:33:40 <Xaroth|Work> lots of vendors are moving to 'flash-accelerated' storage 21:33:43 <peter1139> Server SSDs are also way more expensive than consumer SSDs. 21:33:56 <Xaroth|Work> where you use a bunch of slowass HDDs, and have a 'smarty system' that caches the frequently used stuff on SSD 21:34:21 <Xaroth|Work> (or simply put L2arc on ZFS...) 21:34:44 <Xaroth|Work> but database storage systems tend to favour SSDs these days 21:35:08 <peter1139> heh, 800GB for £700 21:35:12 <peter1139> Not too bad now. 21:35:18 <Xaroth|Work> nope 21:35:39 <peter1139> Wonder what the write lifetime is on these things though. 21:35:55 <peter1139> I get the impression servers are made to last a couple of years max. 21:36:20 <Xaroth|Work> ask 20 IT guys, they'll give you 40 different answers to that :P 21:36:36 <peter1139> My servers last over a decade. 21:36:47 <Xaroth|Work> realisticly, in most cases it's "long enough" 21:37:56 <peter1139> "Secure business information with hard drive RAID to make copies of data automatically." 21:37:59 <peter1139> o_O 21:38:29 <Xaroth|Work> wait what 21:39:09 <Xaroth|Work> that's probably the same idiot that makes people think that snapshots are by default valid backup sollutions 21:39:22 <Rubidium> they are... 21:39:31 <Rubidium> just use a polaroid and make a snapshot every hour 21:39:40 <Xaroth|Work> mhm 21:39:43 <Samu> can't find it 21:40:11 <Xaroth|Work> Samu: a storage system with a few SAS expanders can easily go >1PB 21:40:16 <Samu> it's about some discovery for HDDs, they can make it very dense 21:40:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:40:39 <Rubidium> anyhow... backups are only for competent sysadmins 21:40:43 <Samu> they were estimating petabytes in a similar 3.5' 21:40:44 <Samu> enclosure 21:40:53 <frosch123> Rubidium: what's that? 21:41:21 <Rubidium> frosch123: exactly ;) 21:42:58 <Samu> one day in the very distant future 21:43:11 <Samu> our own body will be used to store data 21:43:18 <Xaroth|Work> wait what 21:43:23 <Xaroth|Work> what century do you live in? 21:43:26 <frosch123> you still have hope for a brain? 21:43:35 <Rubidium> your body is way to inefficient to store data 21:44:01 <Samu> things tend to become smaller 21:44:24 <Samu> just inject a "workstation" into your body 21:44:27 <Xaroth|Work> are we still talking abotu said 'brain' ? 21:44:30 <Samu> and go on with your life 21:44:39 <Samu> yeh 21:44:39 <Samu> lol 21:44:48 <Xaroth|Work> ah, right 21:45:04 <Samu> but really, that's what I think of the future 21:45:49 <Samu> instead of a peacemaker, it's a workstation, somewhere inside your body 21:46:02 <Xaroth|Work> you should check out shadowrun, tbqfh 21:46:26 <Samu> what is it? 21:46:27 <frosch123> yeah, women will implant workstations into their hands 21:46:30 <frosch123> so they never get cold 21:46:54 <frosch123> men will be useless 21:47:45 <Samu> "you become the cloud" 21:47:53 <Samu> or part of it 21:48:00 <frosch123> ah yeah, the body is mostly water 21:48:06 <frosch123> i guess that is a good start to become a cloud 21:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but a cloud is mostly not-water? 21:48:41 <Samu> as long as you live, the servers will never run out of power 21:48:58 <Samu> damn, im dreaming too much 21:49:05 <frosch123> ah, you mean, to loose weight you just need to implant more servers? 21:49:32 <frosch123> burgerking will be the main datacenter? 21:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but the human body only produces like 300W power 21:50:21 <frosch123> notebooks run with 12w or something? 21:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause> my PSU can do 600W 21:52:43 <Samu> the new talk is wearable electronics 21:53:02 <Samu> what comes next is implanted electronics I bet 21:53:07 <frosch123> yeah, it's cheaper than plastics surgery 21:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> human (hourly) power is about half a horsepower 21:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the permanent power is somewhat lower 21:54:07 <frosch123> Samu: btw. implanted electronics is not new 21:54:49 <Samu> after implanted electronics, it's injected electronics :p lol 21:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (permanent power is things like heartbeat and keeping body temperature) 21:55:04 <frosch123> start with pacemakers, continue with modern hearing aid devices, ... 21:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (i think it's in the order of 160W) 21:55:59 <frosch123> Samu: yeah, dogs already have injected electronics to identify them 21:56:14 <Samu> :( 21:56:20 <frosch123> some jail in some police state will likely also have them already 21:56:41 <frosch123> maybe you have been shot with an rfid chip somewhen? 21:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> with "police state" you mean USA? 21:57:13 <frosch123> Samu: injected stuff is bollocks, you cannot remove/replace that stuff in a meaningful way 21:57:41 <frosch123> so you would only do that if it shall not be removed ever, resp. is not worth replacement/removal 21:58:12 <Samu> or if it's not on humans, it's on rats or some other kind of specie 21:58:13 <Samu> but I see 21:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> we briefly considered a chip for our cats so the cat door will only open for them and not other cats 21:59:03 <Samu> not practical 21:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> but they kept dragging in mice and birds, so we permanently closed the door from the outside 22:02:26 <Samu> ah, I read what Shadowrun is 22:02:30 <Samu> a mmorg 22:02:51 <Samu> not that kind of story 22:03:32 <Samu> I was imagining the body being used to feed power to the whole "workstation" 22:03:40 <frosch123> shadowrun is the classic german pen-and-paper-roleplaying game in a cyberpunk world 22:03:55 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:03:55 <frosch123> oh, it's not german :p 22:03:59 <Samu> it won't change your body 22:04:05 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:59 <Samu> http://www.shadowrun.com/ 22:06:45 <frosch123> yeah, i think the computer game is based on that 22:06:53 <frosch123> at least the same people are involved :p 22:07:01 <frosch123> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun 22:09:40 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:09:41 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:59 <Samu> ... and after injected workstations, the very wind force will be sufficient to power atomic-sized "workstations", they can literally fly 22:11:07 <Samu> hmm... ok im gonna shut up 22:26:50 <frosch123> night 22:26:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d011a33.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:30:26 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:48 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:47:27 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 23:01:01 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:32 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:01 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 23:06:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:10:12 <LordAro> gah, i've made gdb error 23:10:16 <LordAro> *again* 23:31:14 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@chomsky.torservers.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:08 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:44:08 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:37 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:46:55 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:46:56 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:06 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.27] has quit [Quit: Looking for an free alternative to mIRC? 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