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It still lists the save name with gold color, I can select it, but the details on the right part say Unknown and the Load button is grayed. 06:01:20 <Samu> oops, say information not available, not unknown 06:05:05 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6013 06:55:57 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-85-3.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:53 *** SkeedR [~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:31 *** SkeedR is now known as Guest10095 07:09:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C39F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:10:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:51 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:23:51 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:55 <andythenorth> o/ 07:48:20 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:40 *** lskynl [lskynl@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:53:55 *** lskynl is now known as LSky` 07:58:41 <V453000> moo 07:58:52 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:58:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:04:26 <Taede> baaaa 08:04:41 <Samu> hey 08:04:49 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6013 08:05:39 <Samu> i wanted to show Brumi a savegame of an AI from TTDX building a ship, then I found out OpenTTD no longer opens TTDX savegames 08:06:51 <Samu> is there a way to open that save game? 08:12:02 <Taede> did you try fonschinsen's suggestion? 08:12:19 <Alberth> o/ 08:12:31 <Samu> yes, just did it 08:12:32 <Samu> it works 08:13:59 <Samu> Now, where do I find Brumi? :o 08:28:55 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.112.193] has joined #openttd 08:29:38 <peter1139> TTDLX, TTDX or TTD? 08:29:45 <peter1139> So many different letters for one game. 08:31:33 <Samu> im also working on a save game showing Oil Wells from temperate not expiring 08:33:16 <Alberth> TTD(LX?)? 08:34:06 <Alberth> hmm, that's even wrong 08:35:37 <Samu> deluxe 08:40:02 <Samu> hmm when buying a competitor in ttdx, I also buy his debt 08:40:14 <Samu> 500k+100k of his 08:40:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C39F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:42:22 <Samu> had a loan of 600k, repayed all I could, but can't get back to 600k, only 500k 08:42:29 <Samu> interesting 08:45:17 <V453000> Samu you have too much free time, go draw some newGRF instead? :D 08:46:20 <peter1139> TASOTTCODLX 08:46:46 <peter1139> or TRTODX 08:47:01 <peter1139> or if you do the sensible thing and only pick the first letter it's TTD... 08:52:25 <Samu> the installer installs in C:\MPS\TTDLX 08:52:43 <Samu> the exe file is TTDX.EXE 08:52:57 <peter1139> I've never installed it :p 08:53:54 <Samu> the batch file is TYCOON.BAT 08:54:18 <Samu> that's what I'm told to type to run the game 08:55:18 <Samu> tycoon.bat is just TTDX.EXE D:\ 08:55:56 <Samu> d:\ - the cd-rom drive with tycoon in it, :o 09:15:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18224.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:25:53 <Samu> oil wells production goes down on ttdx apparently, but it doesn't die out 09:27:20 <Samu> nevermind, one just died on me 09:27:34 <Samu> the sad truth - I was wrong :( 09:27:42 <peter1139> You often are :p 09:31:52 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:45 <V453000> you win 10 points peter1139 09:42:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:45:05 *** Guest10095 is now known as SkeedR 09:45:07 <andythenorth> who is most wrong? Is there a leaderboard? 09:51:31 *** LSky` [lskynl@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 09:51:36 *** fjb is now known as Guest10099 09:51:37 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:44 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-85-3.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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How to solve this? 10:24:58 <planetmaker> use a constant variable parameter 10:25:10 <planetmaker> town_zone is a variable. Not a constant 10:25:43 <planetmaker> you can only use numbers there. No variables 10:26:49 <peter1139> Use a switch block on town_zone with LOAD_TEMP(...) inside? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? 10:27:09 <Alberth> ((town_zone == 0) ? LOAD_TEMP(2) : LOAD_TEMP(3)) == 0 for town_zones 0 and 1 10:27:40 <peter1139> I don't know what values town_zone can have :) 10:27:59 <Alberth> me neither, hence the disclaimer 10:28:13 <planetmaker> 0 ... 4 iirc 10:28:40 <Alberth> that's going to be a loooong expression :) 10:29:09 <planetmaker> switch (... town_zone) { ... } 10:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> George: wasn't there var7F or something? 10:29:58 <andythenorth> constants? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:List_of_town_zones 10:30:17 <andythenorth> yeah, I know, evaluates to numbers 10:30:36 <planetmaker> those are constants, yes :) 10:31:58 <andythenorth> generate the expression :P 10:32:10 * andythenorth back to IE 7 10:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> George: looks like i was thinking of var7B 10:33:11 <Eddi|zuHause> LOAD_TEMP is 7D? 10:33:12 <planetmaker> I pity you for that, andy :( 10:33:48 <planetmaker> there's LOAD_TEMP, STORE_TEMP and for some features LOAD_PERM and STORE_PERM 10:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2#Variable <-- i'm reading this page 10:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> this information is awfully scattered in the specs 10:36:30 <planetmaker> quite. Can you structure it better? Would surely be helpful 10:36:33 <andythenorth> planetmaker: itâs mostly ok :) The procedure is mostly âremove things from design until worksâ 10:36:43 <andythenorth> itâs a variation on âdelete codeâ, one of my favourite things to do 10:36:48 * andythenorth is anti-programmer 10:36:54 <planetmaker> :) 10:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> George: this should look something like "[town_zone+2, var7B[...]" 10:38:45 *** Midnightmyth_ [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:03 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:35 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 10:55:39 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:56:25 <Samu> is brumi a user of this channel? 10:56:35 <Brumi> yup 10:56:41 <Samu> where could i find him in a server 10:56:41 <Samu> nevermind 10:56:42 <Brumi> sometimes :) 10:57:06 <Samu> i have a savegame of an AI using ships on TTDX 10:57:10 <Samu> do you want? 10:57:33 <Brumi> yeah interested 10:57:54 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6013?project=1 10:58:14 <Samu> it's the attached save, you need to read details to load that game, there's a bug in openttd 10:58:33 <Brumi> thanks :) 10:58:48 <Brumi> I know I also had that problem 1.4.0 not loading some old games 10:59:23 <Brumi> oh it's a different problem here 10:59:30 <Brumi> for me it crashed with some games 11:01:12 <Samu> the game started in 1956, it's that special scenario already with AIs on it 11:01:41 <Samu> took about ~25 years to make only 1 ship, it's very rare 11:05:08 *** efess [~Efess@c-50-169-48-221.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:38 <Brumi> hm interesting 11:07:03 <Brumi> (I got some calls incoming) 11:07:30 <Brumi> and if I load up the start of that scenario the ship is not there 11:08:07 <Brumi> did the old AI in openttd have code for building ships? 11:11:37 <Brumi> it seems not 11:11:49 <Brumi> judging from a comment in ai/default.cpp 11:11:50 <Brumi> Ships are not implemented in this (broken) AI 11:11:58 <Brumi> ^ the comment 11:13:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:17:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AF9C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:18:52 <Samu> im trying to see if the AI can build passenger ships or refit cargo ships 11:19:33 <Samu> gonna take a while 11:20:05 <planetmaker> you could read the code? 11:20:42 <Samu> me? nop 11:21:01 <Samu> but if you know how to read that, it would be of help 11:21:27 <planetmaker> I've my own things to read, I'm afraid 11:21:43 <Alberth> it's mostly english words, with some math in between, how hard can it be? 11:22:17 <Samu> doesn't it mean reverse engineering TTDX? 11:22:28 <planetmaker> blathijs, heffer, I published OpenGFX 0.5.1 and nml 0.3.1 which should ease your bundling woes a bit. Best used with eachother. For OpenGFX there's no user-visible change, for NML very little 11:22:31 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 11:23:19 <Samu> do you know what can the AI in TTDX do with ships? 11:23:45 <peter1139> I don't play with TTD's AI, so I don't really care. 11:24:01 <Alberth> I'd be surprised if it could do anything with ships, tbh 11:24:09 <Samu> it does 11:24:15 <planetmaker> I only played with it a decade ago. And all I recall was that it's not really smart 11:24:16 <Alberth> :o 11:24:18 <Samu> but im trying to figure out if it's only oil 11:24:29 <Samu> or if it can do something more 11:24:30 <Samu> like passengers 11:24:37 <Samu> refit ships 11:24:47 <Alberth> you can read openttd 0.6.3, it had the original AI 11:24:50 <Alberth> *has 11:25:13 <Brumi> the openttd original AI surely doesn't have ships 11:25:23 <Brumi> just had a look at 0.6.3 11:30:57 *** Guest10103 [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:31:02 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:23 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:54 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:32:39 <Samu> while I'm at it, I'm checking if the AI also builds helicopters 11:34:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:40 <Samu> minor issue, the loaded TTDX savegame on OpenTTD will use the Original pathfinder for ships. Shouldn't it be YAPF? 11:46:23 <Brumi> for ships the original pathfinder is the default 11:46:28 <Brumi> for performance reasons 11:46:38 <Samu> it no longer is 11:47:27 <Samu> just checked, default: YAPF (recommended) 11:47:32 <Brumi> true 11:52:25 <andythenorth> 90º turns :( 11:56:36 <Alberth> perhaps the original path finder handles some things differently than YAPF? 11:56:57 <Alberth> ie a change like that could cause failure of finding a route 11:59:10 <Samu> max bridge length is 16 on ttd, or 16+2 with the header things 12:02:44 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:02 <andythenorth> LSky`: so going to change the newgrf name in docs? o_O http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/redfish/push/LATEST/docs/html/get_started.html 12:09:23 <George> Eddi|zuHause: I did this way and it works 12:09:33 <George> ((town_zone == 2) & (LOAD_TEMP(4) == 0)) || ((town_zone == 1) & (LOAD_TEMP(3) == 0)) || ((town_zone == 0) & (LOAD_TEMP(2) == 0)) 12:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the more complicated and possibly slower way 12:10:34 <George> Nad how to acces var 7B in NML? 12:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Deprecated_syntax 12:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so something like var[0x7B,0,0xFFFFFFFF,0x7D] 12:12:29 <George> I know that. I means there is nothing like STORE_TEMP, LOAD_TEMP, STORE_PERM 12:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 12:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> LOAD_TEMP is var 0x7D 12:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> STORE_TEMP is var 0x7C 12:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> or so 12:13:39 <George> And there is nothing for 7B 12:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> which is given as the parameter to var 0x7B 12:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the "correct" way would be to implement non-const parameter for LOAD_TEMP etc. 12:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> which may be 10 lines or 100 lines of code 12:17:04 <Samu> brumi, i noticed the AI picks the most costly aircraft, not the one that loads the most cargo, like in SimpleAI 12:33:27 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:31 <Brumi> and is it the fastest? 12:33:58 <Brumi> basically you either pick the largest or the fastest 12:34:24 <Alberth> iirc there were also newgrf flags aimed at the AI 12:35:13 <planetmaker> I think the flags are ignored and not exposed to AIs. 12:35:50 <Samu> the slow aircraft also cost less, I don't know 12:36:24 <Samu> it bought some FFP Darts on small airports when they became available 12:36:26 <Samu> they crashed shortly after 12:36:59 <planetmaker> as they should 12:38:08 <Samu> AI choices were, in order: bakewell Cotswald LB-3, the one with 30 passengers, not the one with 65 12:38:11 <Samu> they cost the same 12:38:20 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 12:38:23 <Samu> then FFP Dart 12:39:00 <Samu> then bakewell luckett LB-8, then Darwin 100, both cost the same, but when Darwin 100 became available, it prefered this one over the LB-8 12:39:26 <Samu> then Darwin 300 12:39:31 <Samu> and now I'm waiting 12:39:41 <Samu> game is still progressing 12:40:14 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:40 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@92.195.16.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:50 <Samu> yate haugan is available, it's just been chosen by some AI 12:49:06 <Samu> so, yeah... still picking the most expensive 13:08:18 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:05 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AF9C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:44:23 <Alberth> can a notepad++ user test this nml syntax file? http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/nml_notepadpp.xml preferably using the old syntax file, which I renamed to dummy_test.nml http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/dummy_test.nml and please check that all words are properly highlighted? 13:51:01 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 13:51:02 <Brumi> Alberth: I am a notepad++ user but I don't speak nml 13:51:22 <Brumi> could you link an nml file to me? 13:52:49 <Taede> dummy_test.nml seems to have the same content as the nml_notepadpp.xml you linked Alberth 13:53:57 <Alberth> <Keywords name="Words1">abs acos alte versus <Keywords name="Words1">CMP LOAD_PERM LOAD_TEMP STORE_PER 13:54:04 <Alberth> ie very slightly different 13:54:20 <Alberth> so a simple file compare fails horribly 13:55:25 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/firs.nml @ Brumi 13:55:30 <Alberth> the question is if you load the dummy test file, and use nml syntax highlighting, do all names get the same colour? 13:56:03 <Alberth> I know it's not proper nml, but for syntax highlighting that doesn't matter 13:56:20 <Alberth> as notepad++ only looks at words, and not whether it is a sane nml program 13:56:54 <Brumi> at least 3 colours 13:57:24 <Taede> visual_effect, visual_effect_and_powered (line 17) are blue instead of red 13:58:06 <Brumi> difficulty_level game_mode red instead of green 13:58:09 <Brumi> line 21 13:58:17 <Taede> line 21: difficulty_level, game_mode, traffic_side are red instead of 13:58:46 <Brumi> rest looks ok 13:59:40 <Taede> yup 14:00:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 14:02:40 <Alberth> weird, visual_effect and visual_effect_and_powered are in the same place 14:05:42 <Alberth> oh, double entries! 14:08:34 <Alberth> but in both files, so apparently, something internal in notepad++ moves the words now 14:08:49 <Alberth> ok, thank you, now to figure out where the words belong :) 14:16:29 <Alberth> Taede: can you judge where the double words belong? I have 4 groups, and my program comes up with the following double entries 14:16:29 <Alberth> 1 vs 2: set(['visual_effect', 'visual_effect_and_powered']) 14:16:29 <Alberth> 2 vs 4: set(['difficulty_level', 'game_mode', 'traffic_side']) 14:16:29 <Alberth> ie exactly what you guys found. The question is now in which group do these names belong? Can you judge that? 14:20:48 <planetmaker> they might even belong in two groups... 14:22:41 <planetmaker> visual_effect_and_powered is both, a property name and a callback name 14:22:45 <Alberth> hmm, good point 14:23:05 <planetmaker> as is visual_effect 14:24:30 <planetmaker> game_mode otoh only is a general variable afaik. As are difficulty_level and traffic_side 14:24:48 <planetmaker> so they don't seem overloaded in meaning 14:25:14 <planetmaker> should show like climate, starting_year and openttd_version 14:26:15 <Alberth> traffic_side is in misc_grf_bits 14:26:28 <Alberth> (global_constants 14:26:36 <planetmaker> oh 14:27:33 <Alberth> keeping it as-is might be a good idea :) 14:28:07 <Alberth> assuming that notepad++ has internal magic to differentiate between the groups 14:40:57 <planetmaker> why do people keep using the terrible rar format? 14:41:26 <pthagnar> is it 14:42:25 <planetmaker> it's one of the worst archive formats. Bad in compression, bad in general support 14:42:49 <Alberth> most people are clueless, and copy what everybody else uses 14:43:10 <pthagnar> what is it optimised for 14:43:19 <Alberth> being annoying, imho 14:43:26 <planetmaker> money making for the manufacturer 14:43:27 <pthagnar> oh those russian 14:43:28 <pthagnar> s 14:50:14 <Samu> comparing refits from OTTD vs TTDX 14:52:56 <Samu> can't refit aircraft to mail in TTDX 14:53:07 <Samu> hmm let me post screenshot 14:59:02 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.112.193] has quit [Quit: >>>> click here <<<< if failed then go to http://bonus.adiirc.com] 15:01:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 15:07:17 <Samu> ok, much better with a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/CWMyrmj.jpg 15:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> why do people keep using the terrible rar format? <-- we should bring back ARJ!!! 15:09:10 <Samu> there's rar5 now 15:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but what do you mean with "general support"? certainly more people can extract rar than xz 15:10:21 <planetmaker> I just had to install unrar 15:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> which took you about 5 seconds? 15:11:04 <Samu> rar5 is actually much much faster than 7-zip 15:11:38 <planetmaker> more than 5. Updating yum DB etc... :) But generally, yes 15:11:58 <Samu> i still prefer 7-zip though 15:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i still don't get your point 15:17:26 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: rar is more wide spread than you think :P 15:18:26 <Pinkbeast> I certainly don't understand multi-part rar archives. Weren't those for transfer on floppies originally? 15:18:55 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:02 <Taede> or only having to re-download one file if your dialup suddenly disconnected 15:19:11 <Taede> rather than the whole 'huge' archive 15:19:17 <Pinkbeast> Mmm. Another major concern these days. :-) 15:20:24 <Pinkbeast> Worse yet, multipart rar files of compressed video. What, we ask, is the point? :-/ 15:20:38 <Taede> iq-test? 15:21:24 <Taede> cant view this unless you know how to work rar-files 15:21:55 <Pinkbeast> I suppose I can't complain about that given that I appear to pass the test. :-) 15:26:33 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 15:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: i used multipart rar when copying stuff on FAT32 disks, which are limited to 4GB filesize 15:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly putting multipart rar into torrents is a stupid habit... 15:28:49 <Flygon_> Don't multipart 7zs exist? 15:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon_: probably, but i have never seen any 15:29:51 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 15:29:54 <Flygon> If I wasn't so lazy 15:29:57 <Flygon> I'd try to make one 15:32:20 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: Even in the floppy days I just used dd and cat but not everyone could 15:32:32 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:15 <Pinkbeast> ... actually, no, I remember using an MSDOS equivalent for DOOM.WAD 15:33:51 <Eddi|zuHause> DOS had backup/restore 15:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but you could also "copy" several files together 15:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure how splitting would have worked there 15:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember that the first time i had a multipart ARJ, norton commander mangled it, so some files were broken (presumably those on the disk borders) 15:36:50 <Flygon> Was Norton ever actually any GOOD? 15:37:19 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:50 <Samu> there's file split on 7-zip 15:38:08 <Samu> multipart 15:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: it was fairly handy, until win95 made it basically obsolete 15:41:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 15:41:39 <Flygon> I see 15:43:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: this has nothing to do with "norton security" or whatever they produce nowadays 15:43:47 <Flygon> Ah, right right 15:43:59 <Flygon> I forgot they did other tools that actually worked 15:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there was also "norton utilities" which included defrag and disk doctor and stuff 15:45:26 <Taede> norton ghost 15:45:36 <valhallasw> NU still exists, but now as Norton Crapware(TM) 15:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> they basically all stopped working the instant win95 hit the ground, because they required direct disk access, and were not capable of fat32 15:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> also, win95 came with similar tools builtin 15:48:38 <Flygon> Hm, I understand 15:51:56 <Samu> norton antivirus, the early ones 15:52:05 <Samu> was okay 15:59:56 <blathijs> planetmaker: Thanks! I'll do a big update round of the Debian packages tonight (and quickly upload 1.4.0 before 1.4.1 is released ;-p) 16:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause> antivirus (any) is about as effective as the war on drugs 16:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and we all know that drugs have been eradicated from the planet and the cia isn't using drugs to fund their black budgets 16:04:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:30 <andythenorth> is there actually a reason why config changes arenât written more frequently? 16:04:45 <andythenorth> e.g. last joined server (because of this stupid thread) 16:05:07 <andythenorth> I appreciate that writing out an unstable config causes a loop of crashing 16:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: blasphemy!! 16:07:50 <andythenorth> I accept that the obviously correct solution is to pile on yet more shit to solve the fundamental issue that something isnât working as expected 16:07:58 <andythenorth> but sometimes I like to propose something wrong 16:08:41 <andythenorth> it certainly makes more sense to add yet more string to deal with the fact that âlast joined serverâ doesnât survive a crash 16:09:16 <andythenorth> adding more code absolutely never causes new problems, such as new bugs or maintanability problems, or blocking other useful features 16:10:50 <Samu> check this out, how ttdx calculates refits on aircraft http://i.imgur.com/CWMyrmj.jpg 16:12:09 <Samu> it wasn't possible to refit to mail, but there was more options 16:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 16:13:17 <Samu> just saying 16:13:58 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 16:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> oooh a flamewar in the forums... 16:14:13 <Samu> it's 85/4 = round to integer 16:14:22 <Samu> 21 16:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> this factor is still in openttd, depending on which callback is used to set capacity 16:15:43 <Samu> the same aircraft on openttd is (85+10)/4 = round up? 16:18:33 <Samu> here's a better example of rounding values 16:18:43 <Samu> this one is 75/4 = 18 16:19:08 <Samu> it cuts off any decimal, no rounding 16:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: the capacity possibly includes passengers and mail? 16:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> rounding may have been changed to prevent 0 16:25:12 <Samu> no, it only counts passengers when calculating refit 16:27:31 *** efess [~Efess@c-50-169-48-221.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:28 <Samu> a comparable example is the guru x2 helicopter, 55 passengers + 20 mail = 75 capacity for openttd 16:29:35 <Samu> it refits to 19 instead 16:30:57 <Samu> the example used in ttdx was airtaxi a34-1000, with 75 passengers + 10 mail = 75 capacity for ttdx, refits to 18 16:31:18 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-85-3.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:16 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:03 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 16:36:01 *** Progman 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[~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:02:59 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 18:18:52 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3F59.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:57 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:19:45 *** efess [~Efess@c-50-169-48-221.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:36 <Samu> hey, the breakdown sound for ship is incorrect 18:22:26 <Samu> it re-uses the train breakdown sound effect in ttdx 18:22:53 <Samu> on ottd it is re-using the road vehicle breakdown 18:24:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:22 <Alberth> o/ 18:40:31 <andythenorth> o/ 18:47:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:54:05 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:05 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] 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everything 2 and 3 :) 19:46:27 <alluke> now tits 19:47:02 <alluke> where are they 19:47:32 <alluke> one pair 19:47:32 <alluke> nice 19:51:13 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 19:52:30 <alluke> greece is pretty good 19:53:09 <__ln___> no it isn't, you heard wrong 19:54:20 <glx> +1 19:54:31 <alluke> beard lady now 19:54:41 <alluke> i wonder what kind of genitals does it have 19:54:43 <alluke> male or female 19:55:53 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 19:56:42 * andythenorth wonders same about alluke 19:57:08 <alluke> and he/she has bigger beard than me 19:57:44 * LordAro is assuming alluke is drunk 19:57:58 <LordAro> or just trollish/stupid 19:58:00 <LordAro> :p 19:59:19 <andythenorth> oops 19:59:25 * andythenorth has been confused for a week or so 19:59:30 *** SkeedR [~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:43 <andythenorth> I started thinking of the suggestions forum as âthings that might actually happen' 19:59:53 <andythenorth> which is WRONG 19:59:56 <alluke> germany is boring too 20:00:01 *** SkeedR is now known as Guest10138 20:00:40 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 20:00:47 <andythenorth> has any feature ever escaped from suggestions forum into the actual code? 20:00:49 <andythenorth> ever? 20:01:40 <alluke> nope 20:02:09 *** DDR [~kvirc@50.67.217.116] has joined #openttd 20:02:24 <Supercheese> Vehicle subgroups? 20:02:30 <Supercheese> they are now a thing 20:02:37 <Supercheese> dunno if that was from suggestions forum though 20:03:14 <Supercheese> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=69745&p=1108574 20:03:23 <Supercheese> " the possibility to create sub-groups within a group" 20:03:53 <Supercheese> @revision 26450 20:03:56 <Supercheese> err 20:03:58 <Supercheese> @version 26450 20:03:59 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: version takes no arguments 20:04:02 <Supercheese> argh 20:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause> haha, "highest note ever" :p 20:04:38 <Supercheese> @commit 26450 20:04:38 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: Commit by peter1138 :: r26450 /trunk/src (11 files in 4 dirs) (2014-04-08 21:09:06 UTC) 20:04:39 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: -Feature: Hierarchical vehicle subgroups. 20:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> b-flat 5 20:05:31 <Supercheese> what is this, Eurovision or something? 20:07:04 <alluke> yes 20:07:12 <alluke> sweden sucks but thats not new 20:07:44 <alluke> ok the song is average but the show is boring 20:09:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:15:13 <alluke> russias song is above average 20:18:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:22:07 <Samu> lol eurovision, nobody watches that, it's always rigged for the eastwards to win 20:23:24 <alluke> are denmark, norway, or germany east? 20:23:33 <Rubidium> yup, that's definitely true. The last 5 winners were all east of the Netherlands 20:24:33 <Rubidium> or maybe better defined as east of the prime meridian 20:25:21 <alluke> finland now 20:25:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:51:46 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 21:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the german commenter: "they want to kill us" :p 21:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> when the fireworks went up :p 21:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> he actually said "oh shit" :p 21:07:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-95-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:08:08 <Rubidium> so... which country has to pay for that party next year? 21:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that takes another hour? 21:09:01 <glx> probably not france ;) 21:09:23 <Rubidium> congratulations glx ;) 21:10:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18224.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:06 <glx> and I think NL won't have to pay 21:11:55 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 21:12:34 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:14:54 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@irc.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:32 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@46.246.119.109] has joined #openttd 21:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm convinced austria is going to win :p 21:35:40 *** Guest10138 [~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:00 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 21:46:38 <alluke> so much booing :D 21:46:38 <alluke> for russias 12 points 21:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> france 0 points so far 21:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> top very undecided 21:59:09 <Samu> can you access this? It's a text document - https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=23b29f3de45f6f1f&id=23B29F3DE45F6F1F%21614 22:01:06 <Samu> trying to get a list of company names generated by TTDX 22:01:30 <Samu> when its' not the default "town name's transport" 22:01:50 <Samu> or "manager name's transport" 22:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> my prediction holds so far :p 22:03:21 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3F59.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:06:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18224.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:15 *** Midnightmyth_ [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:27 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:36 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> germany doesn't even get points from mallorca... 22:21:23 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:21:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:25:13 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:a452:9a3c:3c83:9508] has joined #openttd 22:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the commenter is constantly switching between "him" and "her" 22:33:05 <alluke> xd 22:39:19 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:57:58 <peter1139> Eddi|zuHause, isn't that the point of a transvestite? :p 22:59:55 <planetmaker> Well. One of my students, he was quite a funky. After finishing the degree she works elsewhere 23:00:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:00:42 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:47 <peter1139> transvestite isn't the same as transsexual 23:01:40 <planetmaker> when I made his aquaintence I wasn't sure as to what category he fell into :) 23:02:15 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 23:03:39 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 23:05:11 <peter1139> Turns out the best way of knowing is to ask ;) 23:05:50 <planetmaker> possibly. But that didn't exactly looked appropriate 23:06:00 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs78237230.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:06:41 <planetmaker> you hardly discuss your sexual preferences with your physics teacher ;) 23:24:11 *** Zonta [~Zonta@modemcable085.179-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 23:25:08 <Zonta> Greetings fols 23:25:11 <Zonta> folks* 23:29:59 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:01 <Zonta> I'm trying to install OTTD 1.4.0 on a debian wizzy and the only version they have is 1.3.3. When i try to install the .deb with the dpkg it missing lots of denpendancy 23:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> <alluke> i wonder what kind of genitals does it have <-- assuming the beard is naturally grown would be a sure sign, but also consider that the performer's name is "Wurst" ("sausage") 23:41:08 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:04 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-85-93.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:43:32 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 23:46:53 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 23:50:24 <pthagnar> Eddi|zuHause: also 'conchita'! 23:50:46 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 23:54:52 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:14 *** DDR [~kvirc@50.67.217.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:36 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd