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[~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 11:12:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:48 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 11:24:49 <__ln___> offtopic: can this be correct: "Zugangsgruppen Anzahl" (original text "Access group count")? 11:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> needs more context 11:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> at least the grammar is totally off 11:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's ambiguous whether you count the groups or the members of the group 11:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in other topics: why does the wahl-o-mat always tell me things i already know? 11:28:33 <__ln___> the meaning of the english one is "the number of access groups" 11:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> then i'd suggest "Anzahl {der|an} Zugangsgruppen" 11:31:43 <__ln___> yeah, reversing the word order is what i would have thought 11:32:17 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:33:30 <__ln___> thanks 11:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> other 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reset by peer] 14:54:54 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.237.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:43 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-237-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:57:51 *** Taede_ is now known as Taede 15:01:12 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:13 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.245] has joined #openttd 15:07:37 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:07:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:29:31 *** rubenwardy [~rubenward@host86-150-103-86.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:10 <rubenwardy> Is it possible to space trains out equally in 1.4? Like if there are two trains on a track, they should be half the length of the track away from each other, not one behind enougher. 15:35:25 <planetmaker> yes 15:35:30 <peter1139> timetabling! 15:35:53 <Pinkbeast> Autoseparation, on the other hand, is still doom. 15:36:17 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Timetable 15:37:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:22 <Alberth> hmm, why can't I select a preset when saving one? 15:41:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:01 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 15:47:30 <planetmaker> presets are just very crudely handles so far :) 15:47:42 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-9420.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 15:51:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A78D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:54:43 <rubenwardy> Are there any leaderboards for # of trains, # of road vechiles, etc? Size of company? 15:57:51 <Alberth> it's pretty much meaningless, I think; you can just buy max #vehicles and never use them, for example 15:59:27 <Alberth> also, how do you measure size of a company? 15:59:36 <Pinkbeast> Capital value? 15:59:59 <planetmaker> yeah. Depends on the time you spent playing, on the NewGRFs, on the settings, on the start time... 16:00:03 <Pinkbeast> Oh, no, I see what you're asking. 16:00:37 <Alberth> buy max #aircraft, and fly from one end to the other, and wait long enough for the amount of needed money? 16:00:59 <planetmaker> sounds like a good money-making plan ^ 16:01:15 <rubenwardy> number of vechiles that make over £100 of profit? 16:01:28 <Alberth> there are people that play it competitively 16:01:30 <Pinkbeast> % of total cargo generated moved by this company might be a slightly more meaningful metric 16:01:41 <Alberth> usually at a server in MP 16:02:07 <Pinkbeast> Profit over L100 - deliberately overstock a route so each vehicle _just_ exceeds running costs. Quite an artificial behaviour. :-) 16:02:08 <planetmaker> rubenwardy, and then it depends heavily on the map size, too. 16:02:25 <Alberth> Pinkbeast: make an industry set that allows 1 industry at 100% station rate, done 16:02:29 <planetmaker> easy on a 4k ^2 map. Terribly difficult on a 64^2 map 16:02:37 <planetmaker> Alberth, like FIRS? 16:02:52 <Alberth> no 1 industry, not 1 industry type :) 16:03:13 <planetmaker> :) 16:03:18 <Alberth> s/no /no, / 16:03:21 <planetmaker> not sure that's possible. But maybe 16:03:40 <Pinkbeast> Alberth: Aha, you're thinking of an "all games" leaderboard, I'm thinking of meaningful comparisons between companies in the same game. My mistake. 16:04:20 <planetmaker> Pinkbeast, I also understood "all-time leaderboard". Ingame, of course. It exists. And GS can define their own 16:04:24 <Alberth> Pinkbeast: then it's more difficult to win :) 16:04:51 <planetmaker> some communities around certain servers all have their own leaderboards. 16:05:07 <planetmaker> They probably are somewhat comparable as they then compare basically games with the same settings 16:06:23 <planetmaker> I should thank andy for the links to the pre-configured windows VMs. Makes live very easy 16:07:07 <Alberth> it could be fun to set up a game, and let people play for a number of years, and then have them post the results, so you can compare them 16:07:19 <Alberth> planetmaker: :o useful :) 16:07:27 <planetmaker> that actually is fun, Alberth :) 16:07:46 <planetmaker> "we" once did that as a competition... many good results we got for the challenge created 16:09:15 <planetmaker> the VMs are all a windows evaluation license - but who cares for test VMs which you can reset infinitely often to any savepoint you can make? :) 16:09:53 <peter1139> Heh 16:09:58 <planetmaker> they actually advise to do that 16:15:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f18c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and when you start them up you fetch patches for hours before you can use it? 16:23:56 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, no, MS supplies them well-patched 16:26:15 <planetmaker> though they target people who use them to test websites with various IE versions 16:26:22 <planetmaker> (and windows versions) 16:28:03 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:50 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:57 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.184.156] has joined #openttd 16:38:50 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 16:50:38 <peter1139> ,l.po;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;[''''''''''''7'#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~???***8888888kkkooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 16:50:49 <LordAro> yes. 16:56:24 <Phreeze> someone vacuumed his keyboard 16:59:20 <rubenwardy> Looks like brainf__k 16:59:28 <rubenwardy> {{{}}}}((({[[[](})}))}))) 16:59:51 <rubenwardy> Looks like brainf_ck 17:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you meant to say brainfuck 17:01:46 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-28-133.ppp.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 17:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe your keyboard is broken 17:05:36 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:05:38 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:14 <LordAro> glorious: http://imgur.com/6KFR4DQ,pjV5Rei 17:08:09 <rubenwardy> ;_; 17:10:53 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AE9D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:40 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:58 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:35 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.245] has joined #openttd 17:26:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:29:31 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26603 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2014-05-21 17:45:38 UTC) 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> dutch - 1 changes by habell 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 76 changes by Phreeze 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> polish - 20 changes by Kilian 17:50:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:36 <Wolf01> hi hi 17:51:35 <Phreeze> hi ho 17:55:11 *** bdavenport [~davenport@aeolus.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:41 <frosch123> any bored translators? 18:05:59 *** rubenwardy [~rubenward@host86-150-103-86.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: You may notice this notice is not worth noticing] 18:06:11 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@80.61.122.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:25 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:32 <planetmaker> Phreeze, was a bored translator yesterday 18:07:09 <Wolf01> I'm bored, but not a translator 18:07:28 <planetmaker> sign-up now and become a bored translator :D 18:07:36 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26604 /trunk/src (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-05-21 18:07:30 UTC) 18:07:37 <DorpsGek> -Add: Most of the mapgen settings to advances settings window. 18:07:55 <planetmaker> :DD 18:08:01 <Wolf01> ;) 18:08:52 <LordAro> :o 18:09:11 <frosch123> it's not as big as it sounds 18:09:42 <planetmaker> but as nice 18:09:58 <frosch123> but 16 new strings, and 1 for validation 18:17:30 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:31 <peter1139> Soon... remove uncommonly used advanced mapgen settings... 18:18:20 <frosch123> nah, i already did that 18:18:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:25 <frosch123> did you miss it? 18:18:29 <andythenorth> no 18:18:32 <andythenorth> I saw it 18:18:34 <andythenorth> what was it though? 18:19:15 <LordAro> i..er.. https://github.com/IntelOrca/OpenRCT2/blob/master/lodepng/lodepng.c#L61 18:19:56 <frosch123> paid by lines of code? 18:21:08 <LordAro> clearlu 18:22:23 <andythenorth> :o 18:22:26 <andythenorth> mapgen moved? 18:22:41 <frosch123> no, duplicated 18:22:48 <andythenorth> ho 18:22:49 <andythenorth> :P 18:23:40 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:49 <frosch123> LordAro: what's that? why is there a .exe in the repository? 18:24:02 <LordAro> nasty openrct2 18:24:13 <LordAro> reverse engineering the binary 18:24:14 <frosch123> you got compettion? 18:24:22 <LordAro> yeah :L 18:24:57 <andythenorth> compile faster 18:25:01 * andythenorth drums fingers 18:25:08 <andythenorth> I need a faster one 18:25:28 <andythenorth> ha ha @ frosch123 18:25:37 <andythenorth> finally the advanced settings are getting good :) 18:25:50 <frosch123> why? 18:26:01 <andythenorth> just because itâs such an improvement :) 18:26:17 <andythenorth> should I draw us some not-quite-very-good icons for each section? 18:26:33 <andythenorth> then we could do one of those big icon-driven preference panels 18:27:15 <andythenorth> I havenât compiled for a while, so some of this might not be new 18:27:53 <planetmaker> o/ andythenorth :) 18:28:08 <planetmaker> thanks again for the hint to the pre-fab VMs 18:28:12 <andythenorth> np 18:28:23 <andythenorth> MS doing something really useful for once 18:30:55 <planetmaker> andythenorth, what we (IMHO) need is an idea how to better streamline the workflow for new map generation 18:31:02 <andythenorth> we had some before 18:31:04 <andythenorth> there were pictures 18:31:10 <planetmaker> so that I don't have to click every frigging button in the main menu. yeah... 18:31:19 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:29 <planetmaker> but none of that was really satisfactory so far. afair 18:31:58 * andythenorth looks 18:32:09 <planetmaker> we had there a tab-like thingy 18:32:22 <planetmaker> but we stopped when it came to integration of newgrfs + settings 18:32:45 <planetmaker> just opening those as sub-windows might work though. Even when it doesn't look genious 18:32:59 <frosch123> well, back then there were 5 settings windows, with a bit of luck we can get to 3 :) 18:33:07 <planetmaker> :) 18:33:08 * andythenorth looks 18:33:39 <planetmaker> I can give you a bookmark: /home/planetmaker/brain/memory/feeble/newgui :P 18:34:34 <andythenorth> hereâs what I had https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6135/gui.zip 18:35:00 <andythenorth> there was some world gen stuff somewhere too 18:35:06 <frosch123> planetmaker: there are screenshots on the wiki 18:35:20 <andythenorth> linky? 18:36:01 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/GUI_re-arrangement#Map_settings 18:36:10 <andythenorth> oh yeah that 18:36:11 <andythenorth> itâs ugly 18:36:16 <andythenorth> but design is iterative 18:36:19 <frosch123> and deprecated :p 18:36:23 <andythenorth> tweak a bit, tweak a bit more 18:36:26 <planetmaker> :) 18:36:36 <frosch123> it puts "original"/"tgp" toplevel, while it is no rather getting hidden :p 18:36:48 <andythenorth> yup 18:37:13 <andythenorth> I would draw stuff, but right now my evening contains http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/deform/en/latest/retail.html#a-basic-example 18:37:28 <andythenorth> and maybe https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/14024375307/in/set-72157644311005000 18:37:31 <frosch123> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5147 <- that one did a better job at merging heightmap/mapgen/flat map 18:37:42 <planetmaker> looks like disgusting work 18:38:02 <andythenorth> there is some rework idea in the forums somewhere, but I thought it was âmeh' 18:38:43 <frosch123> well, removing elements from the windows may make redesigning easier :p 18:38:47 <andythenorth> always 18:38:51 <andythenorth> removing is best 18:38:54 <frosch123> many popular software has done that for touchscreens 18:39:00 <andythenorth> but first you have to have too much 18:39:05 <andythenorth> otherwise itâs not clear what to remove 18:40:04 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5147/getfile/8429/wg_nl.png hm 18:40:08 <planetmaker> even includes place names 18:40:19 <andythenorth> lacks flow 18:40:28 <andythenorth> overwhelming number of options for a single form 18:41:10 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5147/getfile/8428/wg_en.png <-- better in English :P 18:41:16 <frosch123> maybe we should only have the advanced settings window 18:41:24 <planetmaker> well, some can now just go to adv. only 18:41:26 <frosch123> and then drag&drop support to design your own windows :p 18:41:29 <andythenorth> frosch123: worth considering :P 18:41:34 <andythenorth> seriously 18:41:41 <frosch123> "new settings window" -> "drop settings" 18:41:53 <andythenorth> letâs see 18:42:24 <andythenorth> choice of which generator is bollocks, not needed 18:42:36 <planetmaker> Though I think the flow is visible in that window. 18:42:46 <andythenorth> variety distribution is nonsense, it apparently doesnât do what it says - iirc what peter1139 thought about it :P 18:42:48 <planetmaker> We can also cut away on the edges (freeform default) 18:42:53 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I am being over-harsh :) 18:43:14 <andythenorth> easier to kick gui design hard than regret after the implementation work 18:43:17 <frosch123> freeform edges are one of the hardest to add to adv. settings window :p 18:43:25 <planetmaker> :D 18:43:53 <andythenorth> tree algo should not be a map gen choice 18:44:01 <planetmaker> size, terrain type, smoothness, sea, rivers, towns, trees, industries, town names, snow line 18:44:10 <planetmaker> and date and climate 18:44:19 <frosch123> andythenorth: current plan is to add a "advanced button" to the mapgen window, and then open the normal adv. settings window 18:44:26 <andythenorth> is smoothness much of an anything? 18:44:30 <frosch123> i.e. no different mapgen windows with few or many settings 18:44:37 <andythenorth> frosch123: that is a good plan 18:44:41 <planetmaker> and adv. settings, newgrfs, scripts buttons 18:44:50 <andythenorth> or a linked terrain parameters (modal) window 18:45:10 <frosch123> andythenorth: i would like to have all settings that actually affect the map shape to be in that window, since then you can properly add a preview at some point 18:45:11 <andythenorth> advanced settings can open over the world gen? 18:45:13 <planetmaker> actually, yes. Just climate might suffice 18:45:41 <andythenorth> hereâs _my_ problem with terrain stuff 18:45:50 <andythenorth> (1) I know weâll get player complaints if we remove stuff, but meh 18:46:05 <frosch123> you will also get complaints from me :p 18:46:16 <andythenorth> (2) Iâve spent ages dicking around with controls and new map, seeing if I can control the map meaningfully. I can't 18:46:21 <frosch123> the weirdest mapgen settings are imho the most interesting ones 18:46:25 <andythenorth> itâs all just fiddly controls on a black box 18:46:39 <andythenorth> you canât actually make a decent desert or alpine terrain 18:46:44 <frosch123> yes, that's why we need a preview of height and water 18:46:56 <frosch123> directly in the window 18:47:08 <andythenorth> itâs like people who twiddle EQ knobs on audio equipment, with no idea of what it does 18:47:35 <frosch123> rivers+trees+roadside and such can go to advanced though 18:47:41 * andythenorth explored terragenesis once 18:47:55 <andythenorth> I wanted to try and get sub-types of climate 18:48:32 <andythenorth> so alpine mountains, tundra, fjords, prairies, rainforest, desert, etc 18:48:50 <andythenorth> islands, rolling hills 18:48:52 <andythenorth> etc 18:49:13 <planetmaker> that requires touching actual map bits 18:49:42 <planetmaker> we should not start that yet here at this stage. It's not bike shedding. But the reverse of it ;) 18:50:16 <planetmaker> designing the nuclear heating for the bike shed :P 18:50:22 <andythenorth> ha ha 18:50:33 <frosch123> andythenorth: at least there is now a description in adv. settings what smoothness and variety dist actually do :p 18:51:27 <frosch123> unless stuff to read is a bad feature 19:07:08 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.184.156] has joined #openttd 19:11:16 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.184.156] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:11:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:12:59 <andythenorth> BAD READING 19:13:12 <andythenorth> frcik 19:13:29 <andythenorth> cmd-w and cmd-q are annoyingly easy to mix up :( 19:13:42 <Alberth> use vim :) 19:13:48 <andythenorth> :q 19:13:54 <andythenorth> or is that the other one? 19:13:55 <planetmaker> instead of openttd? :P 19:14:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:16 <andythenorth> you can probably run openttd in emacs 19:18:28 <andythenorth> from looking at other peopleâs screens, you can do anything in emacs :P 19:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> let me see you running windows in emacs :p 19:19:53 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:36 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> well, back then there were 5 settings windows, with a bit of luck we can get to 3 :) <-- there's still no way to get to the sound settings from the main menu 19:26:52 <frosch123> you mean the music settings? 19:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the jukebox, yes 19:27:11 <frosch123> who cares? 19:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> everyone 19:27:59 <frosch123> i wouldn't notice if it went missing :p 19:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> there were numerous occasions in the last 20 years where i thought "well it's stupid to start a game just to turn off the music" 19:28:37 <frosch123> you can do that from the main menu 19:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> like every time i start ttdpatch, the *beep* sound is way too loud 19:28:41 <frosch123> "nomusic" is the best set 19:28:48 <frosch123> resp. "-m null" via command line 19:28:49 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:14 <andythenorth> bloody crossing bells 19:32:15 <andythenorth> :P 19:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: like most other settings, you likely won't need it if you run from an existing config 19:35:36 <frosch123> no, unlike other settings i cannot remember having opened the music gui ever in the last 15 years, unless when it was discussed here 19:37:18 <planetmaker> no... this can't be true... >:| 19:37:45 <planetmaker> nmlc.exe seems to be created when I installed pillow and ply via pip. But didn't as long as they were installed via easy_install 19:44:12 <planetmaker> but well. Finally success. I can create nml-py3 executables for windows :) 19:44:34 <frosch123> so, easy_install did not turn out to be easy? :p 19:44:46 *** rambo [~jrambo@77-46-208-101.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 19:44:48 <planetmaker> it turned out to be a HUGE waste of my time 19:45:22 *** rambo is now known as Guest11253 19:46:53 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-9420.vo.lu] has quit [] 19:51:34 *** jrambo [~jrambo@77-46-208-101.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:30 <Xaroth|Work> there's a reason why pip is becomming the default in py3k :P 19:59:02 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.184.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:06:09 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:11 <andythenorth> âthe state of python packaging" 20:09:19 <andythenorth> setuptools is never your freind 20:09:21 <andythenorth> friend * 20:09:24 <andythenorth> easy_install isn't 20:10:17 <planetmaker> Now I know :) 20:11:28 <planetmaker> hm, on a very bare windows that nmlc.exe still wants msvcr100.dll. But I guess that's not tragic 20:13:52 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 20:14:07 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-76-17-226-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:49 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-76-17-226-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:04 <frosch123> night 20:24:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f18c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:29:44 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.9.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:19 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.9.177] has joined #openttd 20:33:19 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 20:37:43 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 20:59:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:02:57 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 21:08:28 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.9.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:33 <Wolf01> 'night 21:12:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:18:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:21:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A78D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:06 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:32 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:31 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AE9D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:41:02 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-28-133.ppp.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:17 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:a55c:cd30:ad92:69e0] has joined #openttd 22:04:14 *** killertester [~igor@pppoe244h131.ppp.kmv.ru] has joined #openttd 22:28:50 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:04 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:30:17 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 22:37:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:53 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58_ 23:12:34 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:55 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:47 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:17:48 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:19 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:20:20 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:29 *** killertester [~igor@pppoe244h131.ppp.kmv.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:34 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]