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04:58:00 <Supercheese> Where does the "CA" come from "Iron Horse"? 05:26:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.178.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:44:40 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:38 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:53:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:27 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 06:33:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:12 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:10:34 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:02 <planetmaker> moin 07:24:23 <planetmaker> Supercheese, it comes from the canadian sprite artist. And the intended theme. I recon. But I have no clue 07:26:20 <planetmaker> Supercheese, and the grfID is no problem. The problem is that OzTrans needs to reserve all 65k grfIDs starting with CA for himself plus additionally all grfIDs starting with the character 0x97, thus another 17 million 07:26:52 <Supercheese> I agree, but I was confused where the CA came from; sprite artist makes sense 07:27:09 <Supercheese> Oz is an odd one 07:27:41 <V453000> :) 07:35:29 <Supercheese> 'night 07:35:39 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:36:32 <V453000> :D:D:D 07:38:32 <V453000> I just dont understand why does someone have the need to CREATE problems for themselves (apart from people related to the problem) for no reason 07:38:38 <V453000> that is just escaping me 07:47:28 <peter1139> "never reached cpu limit even on huge maps, even on the old pc which had a Q6600 quadcore." 07:47:31 <peter1139> haha 07:47:39 <peter1139> Q6600, while a bit old now, is hardly weak :D 07:48:19 <peter1139> Raspberry Pi... now that's weak. 07:50:30 <V453000> well if most people have 100 trains on 4k x 4k then yes it might be ok on almost any pc :D 07:50:56 <peter1139> Horrible size. 07:51:06 <V453000> y 07:56:19 <peter1139> Hmm, I still have a copy of the RISC OS port source. 07:56:25 <peter1139> Shame it's from 2005 o_O 08:19:35 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen4a03@Daedalusx.net] has quit [Quit: Black bird fly, you were only waiting for this moment to arise] 08:20:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:40:18 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 08:41:51 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:09 *** kais58|A1K is now known as kais58___ 08:57:42 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:13 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 09:08:18 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@135.100-67-202.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:46:02 *** Flygon_ 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11:00:33 <V453000> well in this case ... :P 11:06:37 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:05 <planetmaker> that reminds me... http://www.dilbert.com/2014-06-18/ 11:09:35 <V453000> yay 11:13:43 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 11:22:35 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19A6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:22:52 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19A6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:04 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19A6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:26:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:07 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 11:29:34 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen4a03@Daedalusx.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:43 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:45 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen4a03@Daedalusx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:55 *** T4 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18:30:06 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxVcgDMBU94 18:34:50 <andythenorth> can we run grfcodec as a web service? 18:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no 18:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> well, actually, yes. it's called "build on push" on the devzone 18:42:22 <andythenorth> he 18:42:52 <andythenorth> I am wondering if I can run it as a web service locally 18:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> what would be the point of that? 18:44:07 <andythenorth> then I can use grfcodec 18:44:19 <andythenorth> it will be insanely hard to script into a VM from make 18:44:38 <andythenorth> but easy to do it with some web send + load 18:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause> run the whole build in the vm? 18:45:49 <andythenorth> also a solution 18:46:06 <andythenorth> but Iâd have to learn linux 18:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> or just get a useful os that can run it natively 18:46:36 <andythenorth> which linux works? 18:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> get the vm from devzone? 18:47:32 <andythenorth> good suggestion 18:47:44 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how big is VM running bundles? 18:48:43 <__ln__> i kind of noticed once that it's not quite legal to take photos on spanish airports. 18:50:06 <planetmaker> it's currently 30G. Why? 18:50:23 <planetmaker> actually wrong. 80G for the data partition 18:50:48 <andythenorth> hrm 18:51:06 <andythenorth> I need to move my newgrf dev to a VM, and I am short on space 18:51:43 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the bundles server is the one which *only* servers bundles.o.o. It has nothing to do with building or so 18:51:53 <planetmaker> it's only the disk space 18:52:16 <planetmaker> but... why would you run grfcodec as a web service? 18:52:25 <frosch123> because osx 18:52:37 <planetmaker> and yes, with build on push you can use the devzone, that's no issue. It cleans up builds after a time 18:52:46 <planetmaker> it's not a purely black hole 18:53:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can use shared folder and run make within the vm while accessing the files on the host machine 18:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the quesion he meant to ask was "how big is the VM making the builds" 18:54:28 <planetmaker> 30G would suffice. debian7 + jenkins + various stuff needed for the builds 18:54:52 <planetmaker> you can probably squeeze that in less as it also contains working dirs for the last builds 18:55:11 <planetmaker> thus a checkout of everything it ever built 18:55:21 <planetmaker> in the latest version of it 18:56:08 *** Brumi_ [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 18:56:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:57:27 * andythenorth looks for smaller VM packages of Debian 18:58:26 <planetmaker> you probably want an image which provides something like openstack or so. As jenkins requires java 18:58:43 <frosch123> planetmaker: andy does not need hudson :p 18:58:54 <frosch123> he only wants a minimal vm with make, grfcodec and nml :) 18:59:10 <planetmaker> then I'd just run grfcodec under wine 18:59:16 <planetmaker> most easy and least overhead 18:59:32 <planetmaker> and compile it with a mingw cross-compiler ;) 18:59:42 <andythenorth> I already have two windows VMs 18:59:56 <andythenorth> but the idea of creating a windows dev newgrf environment makes me sick 19:01:07 <frosch123> planetmaker: you mean running wine within the makefile? :o 19:01:16 <planetmaker> frosch123, no, just wine grfcodec 19:01:41 <planetmaker> though if you want grfcodec in the makefile... yes 19:01:44 <frosch123> well, i assumed andy would run grfcodec via make, but, ok, he actually did not say that 19:02:05 <andythenorth> it would be called from a python script, which make calls 19:02:21 <fonsinchen> What is the problem with running grfcodec on OSX? 19:02:32 <andythenorth> alternatively I rebuild the newgrf to work around the grfcodec failure 19:02:44 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6884 19:02:55 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6884 19:03:16 <andythenorth> I could run an image processing script to move all the sprites into a single spritesheet 19:05:04 <fonsinchen> What about debugging grfcodec? 19:05:23 <fonsinchen> Should be less work than setting up openstack or something similarly silly ... 19:06:33 <planetmaker> :) 19:07:02 <andythenorth> I could try building gcc on OS X 19:07:09 <andythenorth> and then compiling with gcc 19:07:20 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:20 <fonsinchen> OSX has that very nice lldb debugger. You don't need gcc to produce debuggable binaries 19:08:24 *** MTsPony [~marctraid@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:11 * andythenorth has never used a debugger 19:10:17 <andythenorth> except the flash one which was slow 19:10:26 <andythenorth> so I ignored it and wrote my own 19:10:33 <andythenorth> I opened pdb once 19:10:39 <andythenorth> what do I need to do? 19:11:32 <fonsinchen> lldb grfcodec 19:11:35 *** tyteen4a03 [~tyteen4a0@Daedalusx.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:42 <fonsinchen> run <grfcodec options> 19:11:55 <fonsinchen> look at grfcodec source and try to figure out where it fails 19:12:23 <fonsinchen> set breakpoints with (probably) "b <file>:<line>" 19:12:42 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 19:12:51 <fonsinchen> "p <something>" should print current values of variables 19:13:10 <andythenorth> so Iâm in lldb 19:13:28 <fonsinchen> do "run" just by itself and see what it says 19:13:58 <fonsinchen> Do you know what a breakpoint does? 19:14:05 <andythenorth> only approximately 19:14:26 <andythenorth> in flash you set them in the ui, then inspect variables at that point 19:14:54 <fonsinchen> it stops execution of the program as soon as it hits the point where you set the breakpoint. 19:15:21 <fonsinchen> With raw lldb you have to set them by file/line 19:15:34 <fonsinchen> then you can inspect variables when the breakpoint hits 19:15:38 <andythenorth> itâs funny, I have been programming since I was 7 (29 years), but I am so ham-fisted :) 19:15:48 *** blathijs_ [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:57 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 19:16:01 <fonsinchen> With "c" you should be able to continue execution 19:16:29 <fonsinchen> (this is all assuming that lldb commands are the same as gdb commands, which is mostly true, but not always...) 19:17:53 <andythenorth> I set the breakpoints in source and then compile? 19:18:01 <andythenorth> or via lldb? 19:18:06 <fonsinchen> you don't need to compile 19:18:16 <fonsinchen> just do "b xyz.c:50" in lldb 19:18:35 <fonsinchen> then "run" or "c", depending on if the program is stopped or hasn't been started, yet 19:18:54 <fonsinchen> You can always do CTRL-C to interrupt it 19:19:16 <fonsinchen> (but grfcodec is probably not such a long-running thing) 19:19:37 <Rubidium> I'd run the whole thing through valgrind first ;) 19:20:07 <fonsinchen> Actually, I'd make sure it's compiled with -g first 19:20:42 <fonsinchen> The last time I used grfcodec someone was making a point of compressing it to the smallest size possible, even using a binary compressor 19:21:03 <fonsinchen> Without debug symbols debugging is no fun 19:21:38 <fonsinchen> Running it through valgrind will be part of a different lesson 19:22:57 * andythenorth is an expert in debugging with epic print statements :P 19:23:09 <peter1139> Overwhelming urge to put down "emacs" after my opponent played "vim" in Scrabble... 19:23:27 <andythenorth> donât fight it 19:23:31 <andythenorth> surely itâs valid? 19:23:50 <frosch123> peter1139: invalid, before you can put down "vim" you first have to discard an "i" 19:24:47 *** blathijs_ [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:25:28 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:52 *** toobored [~user@adsl-160.109.242.65.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 19:27:27 <toobored> any idea with these industries: https://db.tt/BGw4MXdK 19:27:36 <toobored> they are all suppliers in the same chain :D 19:27:41 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has quit [] 19:27:53 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:02 *** sla_ro|master2 [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 19:28:48 <planetmaker> toobored, what idea should we have? 19:29:36 <toobored> how to setup the service :( 19:30:03 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.236.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:30 <Alberth> lay tracks, add, station, build depot, build train, give orders 19:30:38 <planetmaker> ^ like always :) 19:31:23 <toobored> yeah yeah. but these are five industries and I was thinking to setup buses, transfer to huge station, ... , $$$ 19:31:54 <Alberth> so what the problem? 19:32:03 <frosch123> you can use firs trams to supply to a central station 19:32:12 <andythenorth> hmm 19:32:12 <planetmaker> *heqs trams 19:32:27 <frosch123> but if they have > 200 t/month production, it's better to use trains directly 19:32:46 <frosch123> if they have > 2k/month production, it's better to use ships though :p 19:32:49 <andythenorth> canals 19:33:26 <andythenorth> I donât _recall_ intending to troll oztrans with grfids 19:33:36 <andythenorth> I usually remember when I wanted to troll someone 19:33:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.236.51] has joined #openttd 19:33:50 <andythenorth> have I done a bad? 19:34:14 <frosch123> does it matter? 19:34:46 <andythenorth> only that I wouldnât intentionally block a known newgrf by taking itâs grfid 19:34:46 <toobored> frosch123: they'll reach 1k/m I think 19:34:52 <andythenorth> its * 19:34:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, you did not do that. 19:35:00 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:37 <planetmaker> you simply ran into his view that he owns CA** 19:35:41 <planetmaker> whether in use or not 19:36:02 <planetmaker> a range he actually declared discontinued to be used 19:37:02 <andythenorth> apparently Road Hog overlaps Canadian Stations 1.6 19:37:19 <andythenorth> ¿ also what was the joke with "CAE" 19:37:23 <andythenorth> for Iron Horse? 19:39:27 <planetmaker> the grfIDs are different 19:40:53 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:34 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:57 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:04 <andythenorth> frosch123: so any clues what I should be debugging for? 19:49:01 <andythenorth> I assume I start by looking for the error string 19:49:52 <frosch123> i guess start from where the png file is opened 19:50:03 <frosch123> and then check the values libpng returns 19:50:09 <frosch123> like image dimesions and stuff 19:50:15 <andythenorth> pcxsprit.cpp ?? 19:50:44 <frosch123> you could also shorten the input grf, so it only processes the sprites with the whitespace warning and does not reach those causing the abort 19:50:56 <frosch123> then you could check what it actually extracted and maybe guess what goes wrong 19:51:16 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:18 <andythenorth> the whitespace warning is spurious imho 19:51:31 <andythenorth> itâs caused by me trying to âfixâ the out of bounds issue 19:51:45 <andythenorth> although also maybe not 19:51:53 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:35 <frosch123> still, apparently it processes some sprites 19:52:46 <frosch123> so, if you shorten the grf, so it actually finishes 19:52:51 <andythenorth> yes 19:52:58 <frosch123> you could check whether it actually encodes the start correctly 19:53:02 <andythenorth> or rather, if I only reference one spritesheet 19:53:13 <andythenorth> per action3 19:53:29 <andythenorth> Road Hog encodes fine: one spritesheet per action 3 19:53:41 <andythenorth> Iron Horse uses two different spritesheets per action 3 and bails 19:53:49 <andythenorth> dunno about Snail and DanDanâs grfs though 19:54:35 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:56:00 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:02 <frosch123> well, if one png works, then add a single sprite from another png 19:56:06 <frosch123> and hope that one still finishes 19:58:42 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has joined #openttd 20:03:01 <andythenorth> Iâll need to make a test grf 20:04:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26656 trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp (2014-06-20 20:04:10 UTC) 20:04:17 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6044]: Production cheat cannot not be allowed to be active in multiplayer for desync reasons, even when activated in singleplayer previously 20:06:12 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:30 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:48 <Pikka> andythenorth: do you not have a standard first-two-bytes-of-grfid you use? 20:09:01 <andythenorth> Pikka: not so much 20:09:03 <andythenorth> apparently 20:09:18 <andythenorth> I just ask here until someone provides some form of bad joke 20:09:29 <Pikka> oops :) 20:09:58 <andythenorth> also lo Pikka 20:10:12 <planetmaker> tempest in a teapot :) 20:10:20 <Pikka> lo andy 20:10:23 <planetmaker> o/ 20:10:28 <andythenorth> woe is andythenorth 20:10:32 <andythenorth> grfcodec is broken on os x 20:10:44 <Pikka> isn't it always, with OzTrans & co? 20:11:06 <Rubidium> andythenorth: F09F908E might be a nice GRF ID for Iron Horse as well 20:11:41 <andythenorth> hmm 20:11:45 <andythenorth> CHIPS also broken for me 20:12:16 <andythenorth> HEQS also, for different reasons 20:12:46 <Pikka> what did you do to grfcodec? 20:12:50 <andythenorth> got a new OS 20:12:55 <planetmaker> keep debugging :) 20:13:08 <andythenorth> planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3453/ 20:13:14 <andythenorth> not too bothered about HEQS tbh 20:13:16 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 20:13:24 <Pikka> no-one else uses os x? wasn't openttd for os x broken for a while? 20:13:33 <Pikka> due to lack of testers? 20:13:43 <planetmaker> that looks very sad, andythenorth :( 20:13:46 <Rubidium> s/test/develop/ 20:13:51 <andythenorth> I just kept on using the broken version :P 20:14:03 <planetmaker> is heqs really nfo? :) 20:14:09 <andythenorth> yes 20:14:27 <andythenorth> Pikka: have you tried the Hog? 20:14:45 <Pikka> not lately I don't think 20:15:00 <Pikka> I've been busy not working on av10 20:15:18 <andythenorth> very time consuming that 20:15:28 <andythenorth> it takes a lot of effort to not work on a grf 20:15:37 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:15:48 <Pikka> it does, you have to do a lot of browsing the internet and watching tv 20:16:52 * Pikka has exactly 1 month until uni starts, maybe I should try and get av10 done in that time 20:16:53 <andythenorth> have you graduated yet? 20:17:01 <andythenorth> oh, you just started :P 20:17:35 <Pikka> si 20:18:21 <andythenorth> can we delete drive-in roadstops? 20:18:40 <Pikka> no, only drive-through ones 20:18:55 <Pikka> they're a bad feature 20:19:09 <andythenorth> can I pick up mail at pax stops? 20:19:19 <andythenorth> splitting the bus / truck stations is a bad feature 20:19:26 <Pikka> sure, just change the cargo classes 20:19:30 <Pikka> what's the worst that can happen? 20:19:49 <andythenorth> actually, not a lot :P 20:19:50 <andythenorth> probably 20:20:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.167.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:20:24 <Pikka> so 20:20:37 <Pikka> in order to make av10 less appealing, I got rid of the concorde 20:20:44 <andythenorth> good move 20:21:39 <Pikka> there is also no jumbo-sized plane until 2015, most of the planes are around 100 passenger size, and none of the jets can use small airports 20:22:26 <andythenorth> :( 20:22:32 <andythenorth> small airports are the best 20:22:36 <andythenorth> the only kind to use 20:22:39 <Pikka> on the plus side, there's only 4 jets 20:23:03 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:24 <Pikka> small airports are the best, but so are non-jets. 20:23:32 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:35 <Pikka> I should start a forum poll about autorefitting, but first I need to make a plane to show off. :/ 20:25:22 <frosch123> we renamed it to station-refitting 20:25:33 <Pikka> well, about that then 20:26:09 <Pikka> andythenorth, where is current hog? 20:26:43 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/road-hog/push/LATEST/ 20:27:05 <andythenorth> you spend a long time waiting for new vehicles 20:27:20 <Pikka> and then 26 come along at once? 20:27:54 <andythenorth> no 20:27:59 <andythenorth> maybe 6 20:28:03 <andythenorth> RVs are crappy until the 50s 20:28:10 <andythenorth> but not so crappy you wonât use them 20:28:29 <andythenorth> graphics are âprovisionalâ in most cases :P 20:33:36 <peter1139> andythenorth is 'provisional' in most cases 20:33:43 <peter1139> sorry, âprovisionalâ 20:34:31 <andythenorth> is that a provisional commen? 20:34:36 <andythenorth> comment * 20:35:56 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@46.182.106.190] has joined #openttd 20:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing is more permanent than the povisional 20:38:45 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:41 <andythenorth> can you be provisionally dead? 20:40:45 <andythenorth> you / one /s 20:41:08 <andythenorth> hmm 20:44:39 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: in April you pointed me to your cdist repo + gave me patches to test waybill, Iâm still playing that patched version⊠20:44:49 <andythenorth> should I remove the patch and update to head yet? 20:45:10 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:11 <fonsinchen> I think we decided not to put the waybill thing in 20:45:28 <fonsinchen> With the other fixes I did it doesn't add much over asymmetric anymore 20:45:44 <andythenorth> plausible 20:46:25 <andythenorth> so I should start the next game with asymmetric 20:46:34 <andythenorth> from ottd repo, or yours? 20:46:41 <andythenorth> do you have other fixes needing tested? 20:46:55 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:45 <fonsinchen> Just use openttd master 20:48:00 <fonsinchen> Nothing spectacular in my repo at the moment 20:48:20 <andythenorth> thanks 20:49:06 <fonsinchen> Oh, and tell me if you think that waybill was better than asymetric ... 20:50:24 <andythenorth> yup 20:50:39 <andythenorth> waybill seems to work fine for simple routes 20:50:52 <andythenorth> it stumbles with long complex feeder chains 20:51:03 <andythenorth> I get a lot of cargo waiting that I just canât clear 20:51:23 <andythenorth> otherwise works as expected 20:55:38 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:19 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:57:23 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:38 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26657 /trunk/src (60 files in 3 dirs) (2014-06-20 20:57:32 UTC) 20:57:39 <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#6047]: Days in dates are not represented by ordinal numbers in all languages 21:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what do they use instead? 21:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> regular numbers? 21:02:25 <frosch123> "january one" instead of "january first" 21:04:50 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@6FMAAB1DG.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:10:45 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:40 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:40 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26658 /trunk/src/lang (61 files in 2 dirs) (2014-06-20 21:17:15 UTC) 21:17:22 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 21:17:23 <DorpsGek> estonian - 1 changes by 21:22:10 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:07 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:00 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:46 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:35:22 <andythenorth> PIPE 21:35:24 <andythenorth> is interesting 21:37:45 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 21:37:48 <frosch123> looking for new grfids? :) 21:38:07 <frosch123> pipes do not really steam though 21:38:22 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 21:39:26 <andythenorth> I just created a signalled pipeline 21:39:29 <andythenorth> bit dubious 21:39:46 <planetmaker> :) 21:40:05 <planetmaker> I see a clear road to my bed though. Tempting to take 21:40:11 <andythenorth> +1 21:40:14 <planetmaker> good night :) 21:40:17 <andythenorth> bye 21:40:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:46:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:12 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.236.51] has quit [Quit: Adi - "THE coolest name in the universe" Urban Dictionary. (www.adiirc.com)] 22:00:52 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:35 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:24 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 22:06:12 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:29 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 22:22:57 <luaduck> is there some super magic way to get openttd to autoload the last autosave on start? 22:26:52 <FLHerne> luaduck: Bash script to select the most recently-saved one, maybe? 22:27:47 <FLHerne> I don't know of a clever built-in switch, but I haven't done much with a server for ages 22:30:34 <FLHerne> Hmm, openttd -g `ls -t1 ~/.openttd/save/autosave | head -n1` does seem to work 22:33:33 <FLHerne> Not well though, working dir is wrong unless you're actually in the autosave dir. But whatever. 22:37:02 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@46.182.106.190] has joined #openttd 22:39:20 <FLHerne> One Google later, 'openttd -g `ls -dt1 ~/.openttd/save/autosave/* | head -n1`' works. 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