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00:15:32 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> oh nightly database backup, i wonder why we haven't met in quite a while 01:17:47 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:35:14 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 01:35:58 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:57:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.182.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:58:48 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:11:30 *** toobored` [~user@adsl-65.37.6.77.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 02:11:30 *** toobored [~user@adsl-160.109.242.65.tellas.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:25 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 03:10:57 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 03:12:40 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:03 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 03:57:02 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@135.100-67-202.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:57:35 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@135.100-67-202.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [] 04:09:18 *** kais58|A1K [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 04:11:00 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67C90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67CF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:26:15 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:50 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 05:51:58 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:18:47 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A9D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:30:16 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 06:30:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:39:52 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 06:41:41 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 07:36:53 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-18-190.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:20 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-9420.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 07:58:04 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:58:21 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:57 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:28:47 <Alberth> o/ 08:29:52 <Rubidium> d 08:30:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A9D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:55:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:52 <Wolf01> hi hi 09:00:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:01:47 <Alberth> moin 09:04:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:59 *** strohalm [~smoofi@cpe-10feedc22125.ip-pool.rftonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:01 *** strohalm [~smoofi@cpe-10feedc22125.ip-pool.rftonline.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:16 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 09:20:15 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 09:22:27 *** kais58|A1K is now known as kais58_ 09:23:36 <Taede> mornin 09:42:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747816.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:35 <Alberth> hai 09:46:07 <Phreeze> hi 09:46:23 <Phreeze> any linux guys here ? upgraded server from ubuntu12 to 14, and my VNC has serious problems 09:46:31 <Phreeze> cant type an S or D 09:47:02 <Phreeze> seems to be a problem with keyboard shortcuts, but when using gnome-panel, there's even no keyboard setting....got all the rest of the bunch even the menu for phpmyadmin and so... 09:51:58 <Diablo-D3> try upgrading to a better distro ;) 09:53:49 <Alberth> or a more sane window manager :p 09:54:12 <Phreeze> i just want a desktop i can connect to to start wine and some firefox or so.... 09:54:26 <Phreeze> vncserver + some gnome worked perfectly... 09:54:37 <Phreeze> it's the fuck unity that came with it i guess 10:00:22 <Zuu> Newsflash: gnome (at least in Debian Jessie) has an option to get back the old applications menu 10:02:59 <Phreeze> finally got the keys back 10:03:07 <Phreeze> after removing unity etc... 10:03:24 <Phreeze> was supposed to be deleted already....enough playing with some apt-gets fixed it ;) 10:11:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:14:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:49 <Diablo-D3> Phreeze: just use deb sid bro 10:19:27 * Rubidium wouldn't quite suggest sid for servers 10:20:53 * Rubidium wouldn't suggest dist-upgrading sid from 18 months ago to now in one go either ;) 10:41:43 * Diablo-D3 uses sid on servers. 10:43:53 *** crosbow [~crosbow@aczj63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:44:16 <crosbow> is there a way to give all vehicules in a group the shared order? 10:44:49 <Alberth> not that I know 10:45:42 <crosbow> because when i make a route not with shared order but copy vehicle.. now i added stations and i have to update 150 vehicles.. 10:46:54 <Alberth> you know you can also share the order while copying by doing ctrl+click? 10:47:18 <crosbow> but thats still a task? :D 10:47:50 <crosbow> it would be nice if you could add the button: manage list -> add shared order to allvehicles in group and then you click the one vehicle that you want his orders from 10:47:54 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A553.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:48:18 <Alberth> usually people use ctrl+click to start with, so they never run into your problem 10:48:41 <crosbow> but it would convenient 10:49:08 <Alberth> oh I agree there, groups are quite basic to say the least :) 10:49:33 <crosbow> yes lets extend them to fields! ;-D 10:50:14 <crosbow> saying that i should refresh my algreba knowlegde 10:50:26 <Diablo-D3> crosbow: control-click to clone 10:50:30 <Diablo-D3> it does exactly what you want 10:50:36 <crosbow> :( but its too late 10:50:48 <crosbow> i already earned 10 billion 10:51:59 <crosbow> ok bye i have to walk my dog.. i hope some developers will add this feature ;D 10:52:07 *** crosbow [~crosbow@aczj63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 10:57:15 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 11:23:57 <Phreeze> dont know that much about linux insider tips ;) 11:29:19 <Alberth> what is there to know, it's usually just english text :p 11:29:43 <Phreeze> like alternative desktop window managers 11:31:41 <Alberth> that works just like all other software, pick one, try it, if it is a PITA, find a better one, repeat 11:34:30 <fonsinchen> ... forever 11:34:53 <fonsinchen> window managers are a PITA, just live with it or write your own. 11:37:32 <Zuu> And there is a *lot* of different alternative window managers if you want to try them all. 11:38:05 <Zuu> Including concepts like tiling window managers. 11:38:46 <fonsinchen> That's because everyone is writing their own. 11:39:47 <Phreeze> i dont want to have crap on the server or stuff thats running that shouldnt etc 11:40:08 <Zuu> If it is a server, why have a window manager at all? 11:40:22 <Zuu> If you install debian, you can opt out to not even get the X server. 11:47:51 <Diablo-D3> its not opting out as much as just not installing it 11:49:56 <Phreeze> because i NEED THE GRAPHICAL INTERFACE ? 11:50:04 <Phreeze> wine + utorrent needed 11:53:50 <Alberth> normally you run the X server and windowy stuff at the system with the screen 11:54:19 <Alberth> and tunnel you x11 connection with ssh from the reomote 11:54:42 <Alberth> or perhaps to the remote :) 11:55:50 <Alberth> unix has separated the concepts of machine where you sit behind from the machine where you work at 12:00:57 <peter1139> Sadly most apps use client-side rendering these days :( 12:04:56 <Phreeze> im not at all into that X stuff 12:05:12 <Phreeze> lol Vettel out again.... 12:06:29 <Alberth> it's not about X, it's about how you access a remote machine 12:06:58 <Phreeze> ssh for nongraphical stuff ;) 12:07:12 <Phreeze> but wine needs a graphical interface 12:07:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07:56 <Alberth> no, ssh for remote access, everything 12:08:26 <Alberth> X is an extra service you can have 12:09:55 <Alberth> you really don't want 2 ways to access a remote, it's hard enough to keep one access methods reasonable secure 12:10:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:28 <Phreeze> if ssh isnt secure, i dont care anymore about any security.... 12:10:38 <Phreeze> it's 1 port and it's ultrabasic 12:11:19 <Phreeze> for VNC i need 1 port, changed from default, same goes for ssh... + fail2ban that bans after 3 tries...i don't know how i could be more secure 12:11:20 <peter1139> Remember when we used telnet...? 12:11:27 <Phreeze> telnet sucks :D 12:12:28 <Alberth> I have been using it, mostly on a private lan 12:13:44 <frosch123> remember when password only had 8 significant characters? 12:14:51 <Alberth> the number 13 pops up in my mind, but maybe that was later? 12:16:04 <frosch123> i just remember a mail from 2008 or so from the admin, stating that password must be at least 8 chars, but there are some machines in the basement which only support 8, so we should use exactly 8 :p 12:16:18 <Alberth> :) 12:17:31 <Alberth> you sent a thank you for reducing the search space? :D 12:18:56 <frosch123> well, as long as the admins use a group root account, and consider it too complicated to use different passwords... 12:19:28 <Alberth> I went through university without ssh, I am pretty sure, but I did very little remote access as all work stations had a a screen 12:20:02 <frosch123> no need to remember your password, if you can just ask people on the corridor for the root password :) 12:20:10 <Alberth> :) 12:20:50 <Rubidium> oh, you mean a simple 7 letter password for administrator that are not changed ever, but there being a rule that you need to change your password every 3 months of at least 8 characters long with some particular minimum complexity 12:21:04 <Alberth> never did that stuff on university computers, I had a Linux 386 to experiment with of my own 12:21:21 <frosch123> Rubidium: yeah, something like that 12:26:20 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:26:21 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:46 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.86] has joined #openttd 12:32:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.182.75] has joined #openttd 12:41:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:56 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> <Phreeze> wine + utorrent needed <-- use transmission or somesuch 12:54:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it can run on the server without GUI, and you can connect to it from your local computer 12:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> even through your browser 14:43:19 <Xaroth|Work> or rtorrent 14:45:32 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db51a8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:12 <__ln__> @seen SmatZ 15:03:12 <DorpsGek> __ln__: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 46 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <SmatZ> wish I were so lucky... 15:03:30 <MTsPony> can someone tell me what ICU does with openttd? can i leave it out safely for compilation? 15:05:57 <Rubidium> if the language you intend to use is 100% ASCII and uses the ASCII order of letters to sort, then you can leave it out safely 15:07:22 <Rubidium> if your language requires right-to-left or fancy composition of characters, then you're completely screwed without ICU 15:07:42 <Rubidium> in all other cases it's probable that only the sorting of texts is wrong 15:09:44 <MTsPony> im just asking because it looks like its doubling the compiled binary output 15:09:47 <MTsPony> i think 15:10:09 <MTsPony> 7>iculx.lib(ParagraphLayout.obj) : warning LNK4099: PDB 'vc100.pdb' was not found with 'iculx.lib(ParagraphLayout.obj)' or at 'C:\ottdsrc\objs\Win32\Release\vc100.pdb'; linking object as if no debug info 15:10:21 <MTsPony> and it gives some warnings when linking 15:15:33 <Rubidium> those warnings are mostly harmless 15:16:35 <MTsPony> im just not sure why my binary is 14mb big 15:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> made a debug build instead of a release build? 15:17:46 <MTsPony> usin intel compiler :p 15:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that was not the question 15:19:11 <MTsPony> yeh ill try that thx 15:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> try running "strip" 15:19:55 <MTsPony> k 15:23:48 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-62-128.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:26:51 <planetmaker> hi ho 15:29:50 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.166.189] has joined #openttd 16:01:20 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db51a8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.182.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:28 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-9420.vo.lu] has quit [] 16:16:55 <Alberth> o/ 16:21:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:10 <andythenorth> o/ 16:23:02 <frosch123> so, everyone is coming home :) 16:23:54 <andythenorth> oic 16:24:09 <Alberth> hi andy, I was just wondering where you were, I have a glitchy ship http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/glitchy_nieuwpoort_container_feeder_squid_alpha_5.png 16:24:43 <planetmaker> yeah, everybody getting home. Scary wind to sail today :) 16:25:27 <frosch123> yeah, heavy sun wind 16:25:28 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:31 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:25:44 <planetmaker> nah, that was mostly shielded by clouds :) 16:25:53 <frosch123> not here :) 16:26:32 <planetmaker> you also live in or near Germany's sunniest part :) 16:26:55 <frosch123> sorry, my fault :) 16:27:16 <planetmaker> definitely. Can't be excused I'm afraid. Though I wonder that you're sorry about it :P 16:29:09 * andythenorth had to drink wine 16:29:20 <andythenorth> a hard sunday 16:29:23 <planetmaker> sounds like serious hardship, too 16:29:29 <planetmaker> :) 16:29:30 <frosch123> i think this town is even called "bavarian nice" 16:29:56 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 16:30:09 <frosch123> (as in "nice", the italian town) 16:30:24 <Alberth> nice :) 16:30:27 <frosch123> or french? 16:30:39 <frosch123> yeah, it's french :/ 16:32:26 <frosch123> the german name for that town does not sound particulary french, so i just claim that it has been italian at some point in time :) 16:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the old local languages down there sound more like italian than french anyway 16:39:13 <MTsPony> hey guys im trying to apply a patch to opemttd but once i do that the visual studio project files disappear 16:39:24 <MTsPony> openttd_vs100.sln etc 16:39:53 <MTsPony> so i cant load it into VS2010 anymore 16:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause> run projects/generate(.vbs) 16:40:59 <MTsPony> well imfigured i had to,regenerate em 16:41:42 <__ln__> there's also monaco of bavaria 16:41:44 <MTsPony> it says generating openttd_vs80.vcproj80 16:42:01 <MTsPony> then i click ok and it gives an error 16:42:21 <MTsPony> file not found :/ 16:50:10 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:50 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:38 <MTsPony> seems to be going wrong at line 318 16:59:51 <MTsPony> ok redid everything same deal :/ 17:01:45 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:30 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:56 <MTsPony> what is it trying to open? 17:12:17 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:55 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:04 <planetmaker> MTsPony, we know neither the patch nor the error you get. How can we do more than do random guesses if you don't show us the patch and a verbatim copy&paste in a pastebin of the error with more than one line context in the console? 17:15:07 <michi_cc> MTsPony: If a patch causes them to "disappear", I'd wager the patch is either faulty or the applying part didn't work. 17:15:46 <MTsPony> yeh as soon as i apply the patch they all disappear except for generate files 17:16:29 <MTsPony> tho im patchin with tortoise 17:16:34 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:45 <MTsPony> in linux it didnt seem to even touch anythig but cpp files 17:18:01 <MTsPony> does a patch like daylenght actually needs to patch those project files in the first place? 17:18:10 <MTsPony> i thought it should merely patch .cpp files 17:19:46 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:14 <MTsPony> k i think i can manage from here, thx you did help actually :p 17:21:30 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> these files need to be touched when new .cpp files are added 17:27:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and a few other corner cases, which should be rare 17:27:23 <Rubidium> so... apparantly a patchpack named spring 2013 is "very close" to 1.4 (first release in spring of 2014) 17:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: afair the "spring 2013 patch pack" was updated in 2014 17:28:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and with "very close" they mean "it contains cargodist" :p 17:28:34 <Rubidium> then chillpp is close to 1.4 as well 17:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> at least it's closer than chillpp, which has no grfv8 support 17:29:02 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db51a8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:10 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@bolobolo2.torservers.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:22 <Rubidium> @calc 80088-56280 17:32:22 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 23808 17:34:51 <Rubidium> it's quite unclear what version that patch is based on 17:35:04 <Rubidium> but... at least is has ~24000 Russian town names 17:35:51 <planetmaker> lol 17:38:13 *** DigitalFox [~DigitalFo@bl16-128-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:40:24 <Rubidium> apparantly the patch is against r26385 but some things are badly merged (or not at all) 17:40:44 <Rubidium> anyhow, a 4.3 MiB patch ain't fun 17:41:20 <Rubidium> and it's a badly made patch anyhow 17:42:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never ever looked at it 17:42:38 <Rubidium> it even adds an "old russian" translation 17:43:52 <DigitalFox> Hi everyone :) 17:44:09 <DigitalFox> Been a couple of years since the last time here. 17:44:32 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:35 <DigitalFox> Anyway, I'm compiling Open in Visual Studio in release mode and my EXE is almost 14MB. 17:44:56 <planetmaker> that's to be expected 17:45:09 <DigitalFox> The official release is like 8 or 9 MB, so what may I be doing wrong? 17:45:11 <planetmaker> if you compile with ICU and don't use a cut-down ICU library 17:45:23 <planetmaker> you do nothing wrong. We use a special-crafted library 17:45:29 <DigitalFox> Well I do get warnings about ICU 17:45:49 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db51a8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:46:07 <planetmaker> that's icu. :) 17:46:10 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:22 <DigitalFox> Ok 17:46:26 <planetmaker> likely. dunno what warning you get, though 17:46:40 <Rubidium> well, I guess it's the one about the .pdb 17:46:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26661 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2014-06-22 17:46:32 UTC) 17:46:44 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:45 <DorpsGek> italian - 15 changes by lorenzodv 17:46:46 <DorpsGek> korean - 1 changes by telk5093 17:46:47 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 19 changes by Stabilitronas 17:46:48 <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 4 changes by Tucalipe 17:46:49 <DorpsGek> slovak - 1 changes by Milsa 17:47:11 <DigitalFox> A bunch of "4>icule.lib(ArabicLayoutEngine.obj) : warning LNK4099: PDB 'vc100.pdb' was not found with 'icule.lib(..." 17:50:18 <Rubidium> that's harmless 17:53:11 <DigitalFox> Yeah 17:54:42 <DigitalFox> planetmaker: I took a look at the source of GFX+ Industries and compiled a GRF that no longer overwrites the sprites of Farm and Iron Ore of Zbase. Is it ok if I post that GRF in GFX Industries topic? 17:55:32 <planetmaker> DigitalFox, I assume such grf - if you don't include the zbase sprites - will lack the ground awareness which OpenGFX+Industries actually has - and why it re-defines the graphics 17:55:54 <DigitalFox> Yes 17:56:13 <DigitalFox> This mainly just for temperate without snow 17:56:13 <planetmaker> But yes, you can post it, if you publish the patch which creates the grf and the grf preferentially as full bundle (make bundle_tar) which contains readme/license/changelog (include yours) 17:56:34 <planetmaker> basically: mind the license, then all is fine :) 17:57:16 <planetmaker> (or if you want, not patch, but full source) 17:57:16 <DigitalFox> Oh I don't want any credits :) 17:57:28 <planetmaker> but you changed it :) 17:57:55 <DigitalFox> It's just for anyone using 32bpp that migh help 17:57:55 <planetmaker> I didn't release it, so, it's yours to claim the authorship of the changes you make 17:59:23 <DigitalFox> ok, later I'll just have to figure the tar thing 17:59:53 <planetmaker> tar is just an archive which contains grf, readme, license and changelog 18:00:05 <planetmaker> an archive format which OpenTTD can read 18:00:35 <DigitalFox> Yeah I know but what do you use to create the tar? Example Winrar? 18:00:42 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@8JQAAKWS3.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:51 <planetmaker> make bundle_tar :) 18:00:59 <DigitalFox> ok 18:01:00 <planetmaker> I don't use windows when I can avoid it. 18:01:21 <planetmaker> thus the build system works fine on osx and linux 18:02:10 <DigitalFox> Currently playing with VS optimizations, comparing /Ox with /O2. 18:02:57 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:05 <planetmaker> you can install that on windows, but it's ... not comfortable. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=70726 and http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki have some guidance 18:03:37 <DigitalFox> I wonder if I'll notice any difference in CPU usage. :\ Going to run 2 instances side by side. 18:03:54 <DigitalFox> Thanks planetmaker :) 18:04:05 <planetmaker> it will double your cpu usage 18:04:58 <DigitalFox> lol :) 18:05:00 <planetmaker> I actually wonder how you managed to build it on windows at all :) 18:05:07 <DigitalFox> OpenTTD? 18:05:20 <planetmaker> no, opengfx+industries. Didn't you talk about that? 18:05:44 <DigitalFox> oh, yeah. 18:06:06 <DigitalFox> Why do you think that? 18:06:52 <planetmaker> how did you build the grf? 18:06:55 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:59 <planetmaker> honest question 18:07:51 <DigitalFox> I actually did some search for a shop sprite that would replace the one included for one 32bpp, but didn't find anything on coop that made sense. 18:08:03 <DigitalFox> the command? 18:08:32 <planetmaker> yes... which source did you use and how did you make a grf from it? 18:08:35 <DigitalFox> nmlc -c --grf OpenGFX+.grf ogfx-industries.nml 18:08:43 <planetmaker> and how did you get the nml? 18:09:18 <planetmaker> oh, please, don't call it OpenGFX+.grf. That's a whole series of OpenGFX+ grfs 18:09:27 <DigitalFox> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/v5284-351/ 18:09:27 <planetmaker> make clear what it contains (industries) 18:09:46 <planetmaker> oh, you used the pre-processed nml, not the real source 18:09:49 <DigitalFox> Oh i've renamed but I was using spaces so... 18:10:11 <DigitalFox> Is that bad ? :\ 18:10:46 <planetmaker> not necessarily 18:11:26 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:11:42 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:47 *** montalvo_ is now known as montalvo 18:13:01 <planetmaker> the source is imho easier to browse and modify than the one big-blob pre-processed file created from it :) 18:14:12 <planetmaker> but whatever suits you is fine 18:14:19 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 18:14:27 <DigitalFox> Yep :) 18:15:02 <planetmaker> after all, we provide the pre-processed nml file mostly for cases like these, where people don't want or can't use the build system to build it 18:16:03 <DigitalFox> It does make learning how everything works a bit more complex, since many files are only used by the coop build system. But it's fun :) 18:18:36 <planetmaker> well, the code is structures similarily to openttd. you built it from something where all cpp files are concatenated to one big file 18:19:52 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:01 <DigitalFox> I feel really bad for being a 0 on drawing graphics, I would love to build 32bpp GRF's :( \My first GRF would be adapting ogfx-biggui to 32bpp 18:22:28 <DigitalFox> Can't live without in my 1080p screen 18:22:33 <DigitalFox> *it 18:26:13 <DigitalFox> If someone want's to draw 32bpp graphics for Open, what app is recommended? 18:26:39 <juzza1> Blender 18:26:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:26:58 <DigitalFox> Any special output? Just regular png's? 18:26:59 <frosch123> V uses 3ds 18:27:01 <juzza1> Inkscape for UI 18:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> why does it even matter? 18:27:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.166.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:56 <DigitalFox> Eddi|zuHause: Well because I think I'm going to give it a shot 18:28:29 <juzza1> rgba pngs are fine 18:29:11 <DigitalFox> ok thank you 18:33:01 <planetmaker> well, the 32bpp sprites mostly aren't drawn. They're all rendered really. Except GUI 18:33:29 <planetmaker> (and blender or 3ds are rendering programmes) 18:35:35 <DigitalFox> So what you are saying is that the GUI is probably the most easy part since it's like a static image and rest is modeled, for example a train ? 18:36:47 <DigitalFox> I'm looking at https://wiki.openttd.org/32bit_Graphics_Development_Documentation seems I have a lot to read 18:36:54 <planetmaker> trains are also static images :) 18:37:00 <planetmaker> But that's how people usually do it, yes 18:37:26 <planetmaker> uh... I would assume those parts of the openttd wiki are.... VERY old 18:37:34 <planetmaker> pre-dating the support for 32bpp newgrfs 18:38:00 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:38:01 <planetmaker> so yes, you can start there sure, especially for graphics, but beware the grain of salt out there 18:38:26 <DigitalFox> Yes but give me a graphics newbie some insight :) 18:39:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:57 <planetmaker> the only 32bpp work I created was done in gimp :) 18:40:02 <DigitalFox> No promises, but a complete 32bpp GUI is something I really want to have and since there are none available, I'll see what I can do and if anything atleast usable I'll share on the forum. 18:40:22 <DigitalFox> What did you do? 18:40:26 <planetmaker> doesn't zbase have a 32bpp UI? 18:40:33 <planetmaker> pota-ghat landscape 18:40:34 <DigitalFox> not finished 18:41:48 <planetmaker> what about providing sprites for the missing UI elements? Honestly, I'd like them all in normal zoom (and not as big gui) in zBase 18:41:58 <planetmaker> opengfx+biggui is for zoom UI 18:42:48 <Taede> what you really want is a gui-grf with a parameter for icon size (standard, 1.5x, 2x, 4x) 18:42:55 <DigitalFox> Well atleast on my Screen the ideal is 1.5X 18:43:17 <juzza1> you could attempt finishing http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jjgui 18:43:17 <DigitalFox> Taede: That's why I say I use ogfx-biggui 18:43:47 <DigitalFox> juzza1: That's way over my head :) 18:44:11 <planetmaker> well, whatever, I'd like to see zbase without those missing sprites. If you would provide those, that'll be a real advantage 18:44:20 <planetmaker> and if it's in 1x zoom - even better :D 18:44:24 <DigitalFox> :) 18:50:09 <DigitalFox> Thanks guys, 18:50:18 <DigitalFox> Got to go, bye. 18:50:26 *** DigitalFox [~DigitalFo@bl16-128-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 18:59:25 *** dyrim [sid28134@charlton.irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:53 *** dyrim [sid28134@id-28134.charlton.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:10 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.63.135] has joined #openttd 19:02:40 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:02:41 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:59 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:15:13 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:15:18 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 19:20:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:08 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:46:29 <andythenorth> lawks 19:47:41 <Rubidium> yes m'lord 19:58:03 * andythenorth is bored 19:58:09 <andythenorth> I could try and debug grfcodec 20:02:04 <mist> is it possible to play openttd multiplaer coop? 20:02:20 <Zuu> mist: Yes, just join #openttdcoop 20:03:14 * andythenorth plays openttd 20:03:48 <FLHerne> mist: Or any other server where someone is willing to let you join there server 20:03:53 <FLHerne> s/server/company/ 20:04:21 <FLHerne> s/there/their/;s/other company/other server/ 20:04:29 * FLHerne can't get things right today 20:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you even messed up your s-es 20:22:52 <FLHerne> Hmm? I know I messed up the first one, hence trying to undo that with the second 20:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> then at least the first one should also have a "g" 20:25:22 <FLHerne> Ah, yes. I wasn't planning on multiple substitutions, forgot I had a correct instance of 'server' too :-/ 20:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> your last one undoes the first one, without actually changing the one you intended to change 20:26:22 <FLHerne> So 's/their server/their company/', and I'll finally have typed what I wanted to type 24 minutes ago :P 20:26:30 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:26:36 <FLHerne> If IRC even did substitutions, of course 20:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you could instead have just written a corrected version, with much less confusion for the reader :p 20:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> why easy if you can do complicated :p 20:29:37 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:54 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:37:45 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 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