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Especially since it was in Norway where about three years ago some dude dressed as cop killed 77 people. One person shouting gun, the rest reacts as if there is a gun and there is an immediate frenzy 08:13:51 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:41 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:05 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:26:06 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but that is exactly why the terrorists won ages ago... 08:32:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:34:27 <Pikka> yep, we should definitely cultivate a culture where no-one reacts at all in an emergency. that'll show those terrorists. 08:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> don't feed the trolls 08:49:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:50 <Wolf01> hello o/ 09:18:46 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:32 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:52 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:27:41 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 09:33:11 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-35-3.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01d029.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:23 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 09:51:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:56:08 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dhcp-077-251-165-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:06:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26734 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.hpp (2014-08-16 10:05:57 UTC) 10:06:04 <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: make clear the AI/GS List's Begin and Next return the item, not the value 10:12:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:21 <Alberth> hi hi 10:14:43 <Wolf01> hi hi 10:15:28 <andythenorth> moin 10:16:54 <frosch123> hai 10:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause> wo 10:17:12 <planetmaker> ho 10:17:16 <LordAro> o/ 10:17:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26735 trunk/config.lib (2014-08-16 10:17:18 UTC) 10:17:24 <DorpsGek> -Fix (rmakefilerewrite): for profiling CFLAGS got a -p (for prof) and LDFLAGS got -pg (for gprof), but in the end gprof would be used (via make run-prof). Furthermore -pg isn't compatible with -fomit-frame-pointer on certain architectures (most importantly x86(_64)), so simply don't enable that flag when profiling is enabled 10:20:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26736 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.cpp (2014-08-16 10:20:15 UTC) 10:20:22 <DorpsGek> -Fix [Script]: infinite loop (by scripts; always returning the same item) when sorted by item in descending order by oddly constructed FindNext that uses forward iterators. Simply use the same code as the ascending item sort but use the reverse iterator instead of the forward. Also do this same trick for the descending value sort even though I couldn't trigger the problem there 10:28:29 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Quit: Fear is temporary, regret is forever] 10:28:48 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26737 trunk/config.lib (2014-08-16 10:31:24 UTC) 10:31:32 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26735): one = too many... why can't all languages use the same basic definition for comparisons? 10:34:51 <keoz> looks like Rubidium is in a great fixing mood 10:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> would it have been so hard to look up the revision of the makefile rewrite? :p 10:36:29 <LordAro> harder than not doing it :p 10:37:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: if I were to say which revision you would have less of a clue when/what introduced it than this way 10:37:35 <Rubidium> and it's so long ago that there's little doubt whether the release branch is affected 10:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so we follow styles only when we feel like it? :p 10:39:30 <frosch123> sure, we use [FS#Eddi] when people are too lazy to properly report 10:42:29 <peter1138> Those rules were probably only put in place to annoy Tron 10:42:47 *** APTX_ [~APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:36 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 10:50:55 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 11:14:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:56 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:20:33 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 11:38:14 <andythenorth> V453000: so did you make a Pipeline set? o_O 11:40:38 <frosch123> i would be surprised :) 11:40:54 <frosch123> V said multiple times that vehicles which do not show their cargo are bollocks 11:41:10 <frosch123> pipelines are even worse 11:41:24 <frosch123> only option would be that V lines would be nothing like pipelines 11:42:14 <planetmaker> obviously pipelines are glass tubes with slides for cargo in it ;) 11:42:26 <planetmaker> always perfectly polished glass tubes, of course 11:42:45 <frosch123> there could be capsules in it 11:42:46 <planetmaker> (but I know of no such set) 11:42:56 <planetmaker> yeah, slides, capsules. That's what I mean 11:43:00 <frosch123> like "letter shoot" 11:45:51 <frosch123> or as in "the living daylights" 11:46:45 <planetmaker> :) 11:46:48 <frosch123> (the james bond movie, where a person is smuggled from hungary to austria through a pipeline) 11:47:57 <frosch123> i guess marble runs would also work instead of pipelines 11:48:07 <frosch123> then we can make it a proper toyland feature 11:48:33 <planetmaker> :) 11:49:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:40 <andythenorth> proper marble run is all gravity 11:52:26 <frosch123> http://album.weitblickforum.de/data/media/80/laufkugel1aaugust08.jpg <- passenger wagon 11:53:36 <frosch123> http://b-event.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Aufblasbar24_3.jpg <- also works as ship 11:53:42 <frosch123> so, basically a hovercraft 11:54:06 <frosch123> compatible to marble-rail and wet-rail 11:56:47 <frosch123> how can i sell that to V for making? 11:56:59 <frosch123> it certainly needs extra-extra-zoom to work out 11:57:52 <frosch123> maybe i could tell him that it would also work for livestock transport, not only passengers 11:59:03 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-26-5.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:14 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 12:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i've only ever seen these on water 12:04:15 <frosch123> the thin ones are likely only used on water, due to people falling 12:04:23 <frosch123> but the thick ones probably work everywhere 12:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume they have problems with pointy spikey things 12:05:13 <frosch123> you mean the breakdown smoke does not fit? :p 12:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the game does not actually support hovercraft... 12:12:14 <__ln__> what about eels? 12:13:10 <andythenorth> you can zorb on land 12:13:13 <andythenorth> my friends have done it 12:15:12 <__ln__> if there was a cargo type "eels" that could be transported with hovercraft, how should that be translated into hungarian 12:21:46 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:34 <andythenorth> we need hover-pipes 12:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> my hungarian is certainly way beyond "rusty" :p 12:32:06 <frosch123> my neighbours are hungarian, i should ask them whether they know monty python 12:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i've ever seen the complete series 12:34:24 <frosch123> ah, sun is shining again 12:34:36 <frosch123> i should take these 5 minutes before it starts raining again :) 12:36:30 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:46 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:51:53 <__ln__> the relevant sketch for those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbflkF_1zY 12:58:05 <andythenorth> frosch123: anything I can do towards ship smoke? o_O 13:06:10 <peter1138> Draw it on the ship 13:10:48 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dhcp-077-251-165-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:58 <frosch123> hmm, yeah, i should finish that patch 13:12:49 <frosch123> andythenorth: i guess reminding me every week could help :p 13:21:24 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 13:26:19 *** trendynick [~trendynic@188.25.248.187] has joined #openttd 13:27:21 *** Zer0__ [~Zer0@CPE-120-149-117-144.bjzv1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:58 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:47 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 13:58:46 <andythenorth> biab 13:58:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:03:38 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:47 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 15:05:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:33 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:55 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:59 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 15:42:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:30 <andythenorth> frosch123: I am thinking about releasing Squid 0.1 - but it currently has half-broken smoke in it ;) 15:48:34 <andythenorth> so either I remove, or wait⊠15:49:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 15:51:06 <planetmaker> disable temporarily and release 15:52:12 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:20 <andythenorth> seems best 16:11:42 *** InvokeStatic [~Invoke@97-83-98-15.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 16:11:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:24 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 16:21:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:38 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:30:07 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:58 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:26 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 16:41:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:33 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:25 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:41 *** Hazzard is now known as Guest825 17:04:41 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 17:09:56 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:58 <andythenorth> so I understand that action 14 is static, but could we provide additional info string per parameter value, and show/hide it conditionally on which value is selected? 17:10:22 <andythenorth> i.e. additional to ânames: {}â we also have âextra_info: {}â 17:11:38 <Alberth> what extra info would you have that you don't need for selecting the option? 17:13:17 <andythenorth> tells you what the option provides 17:13:28 <andythenorth> the name is limiting 17:13:36 <andythenorth> limited /s 17:14:00 <Alberth> you don't have text for the option as a whole? 17:14:30 <frosch123> there is a big description box at the bottom 17:14:32 <Alberth> it would be a bit weird if I have to select an option to read what the option does, doesn't it? 17:15:00 <andythenorth> describing every option in the description box would be quiteâŠlong 17:15:03 <frosch123> yup, advancted settings also describe what their values do in one blob 17:15:22 <andythenorth> not convinced this is a necessary change, just an idea 17:15:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:54 <frosch123> there is also a readme :) 17:15:58 <andythenorth> for cases like FIRS economies...? 17:16:22 <frosch123> you can put a short summary for every option into the description, and then refer to the readme 17:16:31 <frosch123> how many options do you need to describe? 17:16:42 <andythenorth> I guess 5-12 17:16:51 <keoz> Or even a reference to some online doc ? 17:16:59 <andythenorth> there is an online doc 17:17:29 <andythenorth> ok, so itâs overkill 17:18:56 <keoz> as a side note, online doc needs probably to be improved a little bit 17:20:00 <andythenorth> ? 17:21:02 <keoz> well, a lot of things aren't explained anywere and the wiki page still documents the old behaviour 17:21:09 <keoz> (pre-0.8 ?) 17:21:50 <andythenorth> oh yeah 17:21:56 <andythenorth> that page should just be deleted entirely 17:21:58 <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/FIRS 17:22:04 <andythenorth> $anyone? 17:22:04 <keoz> better improving it ? 17:22:12 <keoz> I 'd be like to work on this. 17:22:23 <andythenorth> right now itâs opinion written as fact 17:22:27 <keoz> But I have the same problem as you: always working on to many projects :) 17:22:51 <andythenorth> deleting is much easier 17:23:32 <andythenorth> I am -1 to explaining too much 17:23:34 <andythenorth> itâs only a newgrf 17:25:02 <keoz> The "only" isn't necessary. It's a great NewGRF, with some specific mechanism, which, IMO, deserves explanations. 17:26:01 <keoz> (thus avoiding what you call "failure demand") :) 17:27:35 <andythenorth> did I delete the stuff about having to run small vehicles? 17:27:39 <andythenorth> looks like someone did 17:28:09 <keoz> Don't know. Didn't watch at it since years 17:29:14 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 17:31:59 <andythenorth> needed doing 17:41:59 <Alberth> add a version number as title, so it's clear it discusses an old version 17:42:16 <Alberth> or even in the page name :) 17:45:09 <keoz> in the page, it's quite clearly stated that parts are outdated 17:45:28 <keoz> I don't think people couldn't see it ... apart being really blind :) 17:46:24 <planetmaker> people generally are totally blind unless you shove it into their face 17:46:27 <planetmaker> and even then... 17:46:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26738 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2014-08-16 17:46:36 UTC) 17:46:49 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:50 <DorpsGek> catalan - 23 changes by juanjo 17:46:51 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 50 changes by siu238X 17:46:52 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 82 changes by siu238X 17:46:53 <DorpsGek> english_US - 49 changes by Supercheese 17:46:54 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 2 changes by cuthbert 17:46:55 <DorpsGek> russian - 47 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:46:56 <DorpsGek> slovak - 1 changes by Milsa 17:47:42 <keoz> planetmaker: yes but for this kind of people, you can anyway consider that there is nothing to do. So, any effort would be useless in any case ;) 17:53:04 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:03 <andythenorth> MAKE IT BIGGER 18:03:05 <andythenorth> ALL OF IT 18:03:08 <andythenorth> usually works 18:30:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26739 /branches/1.4 (5 files in 3 dirs) (2014-08-16 18:30:47 UTC) 18:30:55 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation 18:32:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26740 /tags/1.4.2 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2014-08-16 18:32:17 UTC) 18:32:23 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.4.2 18:33:01 <andythenorth> o_O 18:33:29 <frosch123> @calc 488/60 18:33:29 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 8.13333333333 18:51:14 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:55:38 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.69.100] has joined #openttd 18:57:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:05:36 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.69.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:50 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 19:29:58 <andythenorth> any chance of a Bananananas rename 19:30:07 <andythenorth> FISH 2 => Squid Ate FISH! 19:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i still don't get why you would do that 19:42:16 <Eddi|zuHause> renaming existing brands creates "failure demand" 19:42:23 <keoz> why not instead squid -> fish2 ? :p 19:43:17 <planetmaker> FISH: Squid ate fish 2 19:45:57 <andythenorth> we should reverse-recurse that 19:46:00 <andythenorth> good luck :) 19:46:57 <andythenorth> also, Yay, A Release 19:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> recursive naming is boring, you should switch to fractal naming 19:47:12 <andythenorth> o_O 19:49:25 <andythenorth> âIs it possibly to run firs next to the old industries in openttd?" 19:49:34 <andythenorth> hmm 19:51:17 <andythenorth> hrm 19:51:35 <planetmaker> I guess... "No." 19:51:48 <andythenorth> I guess no too 19:52:04 <andythenorth> prizes for you and me 19:52:06 <andythenorth> for being right 19:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3630/ <-- this is a fractal 19:53:18 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:21 <andythenorth> ho 19:54:25 <frosch123> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/blumenkohl.gif <- that too 19:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (technically, it's a binary tree) 19:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but it's "boring" one. much better are fractals that differ ever slightly in each zoom step 20:00:20 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 20:00:52 <andythenorth> is it bed time yet? 20:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:02:52 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 20:04:29 <andythenorth> should I play a game? 20:06:03 <planetmaker> start one 20:06:50 <andythenorth> hmm 20:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> random question: can i skip an action14 depending on game version? 20:07:00 <andythenorth> I went to sleep at 1am drunk, and woke up at 6am 20:07:08 * andythenorth might be sleepy 20:07:13 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:31 <planetmaker> in that case, sleep well :) 20:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> like, a hidden debug parameter that only shows in nightlies? 20:08:51 <planetmaker> not sure whether action7/9 applies to action14. I bet rather not 20:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remebmer something about skipping action8 20:09:42 <planetmaker> but you might get that effect by proper pre-processing and evaluating the version or anther parameter passed to gcc 20:10:50 <frosch123> action9 can skip action14 20:10:58 <Alberth> andythenorth: you know the forum all-but-first post are usable for a week, right? 20:11:00 <frosch123> iirc that is even explicitly mentioned in the specs 20:11:16 <andythenorth> Alberth: I had a feeling that reserving was silly 20:11:19 <andythenorth> but couldnât remember why 20:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but i suppose nml cannot actually generate such code 20:12:19 <andythenorth> nml certainly hates you if you try more than one action 8 20:12:24 <andythenorth> but that wasnât your question 20:13:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: deleted them, thanks :) 20:13:53 <Alberth> np 20:15:19 *** trendynick [~trendynic@188.25.248.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:23 <frosch123> someone knows whether std::map::reverse_iterator is actually only a wrapper around std::map::iterator returning the previous element 20:24:54 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:dda5:18da:a2a0:4a21] has quit [Quit: .] 20:24:58 <frosch123> that would imply that a reverse_iterator is invalidated when the element behind it is deleted 20:25:20 <frosch123> unlike the forward iterator, which is only invalidated when the element it is pointing to is invalidated 20:26:50 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:29 <frosch123> indeed, looks like all stl containers use std::reverse_iterator<iterator> 20:32:06 <frosch123> funny, how all specs mention that map, list and co invalidate only iterators pointing to the deleted element 20:32:16 <frosch123> while reverse_iterators do not work at all with deletion :p 20:34:51 <Alberth> stroustrup says that reverse iterators are one further than the element they return on * section 19.2.5 20:37:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26741 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.cpp (2014-08-16 20:37:33 UTC) 20:37:41 <DorpsGek> -Revert (r26736): reverse_iterators are invalidated when the element next to them is erased (not the element they are pointing to), which makes them unsuitable for ScriptList. 20:40:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26742 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.cpp (2014-08-16 20:40:26 UTC) 20:40:33 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Why reverse_iterator is unsuitable for ScriptList iterators 20:43:49 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:53:09 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.2 20:53:09 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 20:56:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:59:42 <frosch123> certainly learnt something today :) 21:00:08 <frosch123> never use reverse_iterators when modifying a container 21:01:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i'm understanding this wrong, but wouldn't this be solved by iterating ahead one step before deleting? 21:02:35 <frosch123> for that you would actually have to know where your iterator is pointing 21:02:41 <frosch123> also the issue is not only with deletign 21:03:08 <frosch123> after inserting a new item, a reverse_iterator may suddenly point to a different element :p 21:04:02 <frosch123> the specs say clearly that std::vector trashes all iterators on modification. it also says that map, list etc. only invalidate iterators when the element pointed to is deleted 21:04:21 <frosch123> but there is not a single hint about reverse_iterator :p 21:05:40 <frosch123> and while in most algorithms you pretty much know what happens to the elements your iterators point to, you usually do not know what happens around them 21:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> iterating about the thing you are modifying is bad anyway. if at all, you should iterate over a copy 21:06:00 <frosch123> haha, continue dreaming :p 21:06:09 <frosch123> modifying stuff while iterating is completely standard 21:06:33 <frosch123> you only need to know what the iterators do, and esp. honor the return value of vector::erase 21:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, but i claim that most people that use iterators don't actually know the "fine print" 21:11:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26743 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.cpp (2014-08-16 21:11:26 UTC) 21:11:33 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Simplify ScriptList iterators. 21:13:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:14:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26744 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.cpp (2014-08-16 21:13:58 UTC) 21:14:05 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS6085-ish]: ScriptListSorterItemDescending::FindNext failed to detect the end. 21:14:47 <frosch123> someone ate a # 21:19:13 <planetmaker> probably a squid. 21:19:17 <planetmaker> it already ate fish, too 21:20:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and i thought you smoke #. shows how little i know... 21:23:04 <planetmaker> the nearest I got to that was in form of cookies ;) 21:24:38 <NGC3982> Evening. 21:24:48 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 21:28:34 <planetmaker> indeed. even so much that it's bed time. Thus good night :) 21:31:31 <NGC3982> :(. 21:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> bad time? 21:33:04 <NGC3982> I'm selling my SAAB today. 21:33:13 <NGC3982> It will be a great mourning. 21:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> you own an airplane? :p 21:34:02 <NGC3982> Indeed. 21:34:12 <NGC3982> Well, it does seem to share many attributes of one. 21:34:31 <NGC3982> The weight, width and fuel consumption, for one. 21:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well, what do you expect by something made by a company called "swedish airplane manufacturer" 21:36:36 <NGC3982> I hope the displays on the real aircraft holds up better than the one in my car. 22:05:20 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.26.1/20140623143310]] 22:07:53 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:23 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 22:33:40 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-26-5.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:43:48 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:13 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 22:48:14 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:48:59 <Wolf01> nighty night 22:49:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:49:05 <frosch123> night 22:49:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01d029.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:50:07 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0B702.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:51 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.115.138] has joined #openttd 23:20:48 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:27:43 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:12 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 23:47:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]