Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:09:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AF65.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:11:47 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:00 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:48 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:55 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 00:53:02 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 00:55:07 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 01:16:09 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 01:24:51 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:28 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 01:47:31 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 01:48:03 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:28 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 02:05:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:15 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:06:33 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:07 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 02:08:33 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:14:49 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:08 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:49 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 02:18:43 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has joined #openttd 02:19:06 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-230-86-71-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:19:06 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:33 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 02:28:23 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 02:52:05 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD50F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4239.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:06:23 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:43 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has joined #openttd 05:35:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 05:40:25 <andythenorth> o/ 05:42:42 <Rubidium> good morning 06:11:43 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 06:25:01 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:31 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:34:01 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:ec64:9f48:f5b1:bdc1] has joined #openttd 06:45:33 <andythenorth> where is everyone? Itâs the middle of the day already 06:47:22 <Eddi|zuHause> only if you have kids 06:48:57 <andythenorth> oh weâre hiding vehicles now? 06:49:09 * andythenorth had better update trunk 06:49:26 <andythenorth> interesting 06:55:04 * andythenorth compiles 06:55:06 <andythenorth> thatâs neat 06:56:35 <andythenorth> whole issue would be better if newgrf authors got better at design, but the hiding implementation is nice 07:06:15 <peter1138> hi 07:12:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:45 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:21:46 <andythenorth> itâs a hover pikka 07:22:02 <Pikka> oui 07:22:15 <Pikka> a hover caboose 07:24:38 <andythenorth> randomised 07:24:46 <andythenorth> shall we do a hover set? 07:24:52 <andythenorth> hover-hovs 07:25:06 <Pikka> narrow gauge hovercabeese 07:27:14 <andythenorth> there are no hover-types 07:27:20 <andythenorth> canât have narrow gauge 07:27:44 <Pikka> wetrails 07:27:52 <Pikka> and grassrails 07:27:59 <Pikka> we can have hovers which can go over land and water 07:28:14 <Pikka> hmm 07:28:42 <Pikka> add "can/must be built on water" to railtype spec 07:28:51 <andythenorth> rails on water 07:28:56 <Pikka> yes 07:29:05 <planetmaker> moin 07:29:10 <Pikka> call them shipping lanes, replace all ships with "trains" 07:29:15 <andythenorth> hovers behave like trains? Obey signals? 07:29:19 <Pikka> "making ships more interesting", job done 07:29:31 <andythenorth> problem with hovers 07:29:35 <planetmaker> concept of wetrail? :) 07:29:36 <andythenorth> people would ask for âmore hover levels' 07:29:41 <andythenorth> also âunderground hovers' 07:29:58 <Pikka> horsedrawn hovers for early years 07:30:14 * andythenorth takes ant-acids washed down with black coffee 07:30:24 <andythenorth> in the evening, for variety, I wash them down with wine 07:30:30 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 07:30:36 <andythenorth> seems to keep everything in balance 07:30:56 <Pikka> they are the two basic food groups, after all 07:31:02 <Pikka> caffeine and alcohol 07:31:06 <andythenorth> and medication 07:31:22 <Pikka> and pie 07:31:29 <andythenorth> all of life there 07:31:31 <planetmaker> the latter two are valuables :) 07:31:41 <andythenorth> hover hog 07:31:45 <andythenorth> hover horse? 07:31:48 <andythenorth> hover squid? 07:32:55 <Pikka> lunar rosters? 07:33:03 <Pikka> is dan still keen on that? 07:33:09 <andythenorth> probly :) 07:33:09 <andythenorth> http://600v.deviantart.com/art/27030914:07:15 < Rubidium> Wolf01: what's your IP (v6)? 11:07:36 <Wolf01> I don't have a v6 IP 11:07:57 <Rubidium> that makes no sense 11:08:10 <Rubidium> since the spammer used only ipv6 11:08:15 <Wolf01> nice 11:09:09 <Rubidium> does it work now? 11:09:25 <Wolf01> still blocked 11:09:35 <Wolf01> do I need to log out? 11:09:46 <Rubidium> and now? 11:09:53 <Wolf01> yes, not it works 11:09:56 <Wolf01> *now 11:10:13 <Rubidium> and then I really hope that the spammer doesn't return because I removed the block 11:10:50 <frosch123> change the password to some glibberish? :p 11:11:05 <frosch123> at least requires to reset the password for them :p 11:11:40 <Wolf01> I doubt he was using my account 11:13:47 <peter1138> well what is your account? debolars? 11:15:54 <Wolf01> wolf01 11:16:51 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has joined #openttd 11:17:05 <andythenorth_> Pikka semi! 11:17:15 <frosch123> hi dog 11:22:00 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:36 <peter1138> bah, airports should be shared :p 11:24:26 <Wolf01> some of them could be built by local authorities 11:24:45 <Wolf01> and behave like oil platforms 11:25:04 <Wolf01> but with non-functional hangar 11:25:04 <peter1138> Wolf01, good idea, make a patch ;) 11:25:13 <peter1138> hmm 11:25:22 <Wolf01> so you still need to build your airport to make aircrafts 11:25:37 <frosch123> just make aircraft land on road, and load at drive-though stops 11:25:59 <peter1138> yes 11:32:13 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest639 11:32:15 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:36:30 *** Guest639 [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:05 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E41.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:36 <Pikka> oui andythenorth, semis 11:41:45 * Pikka will make all trucks as non-articulated semis 11:41:50 <Pikka> universal refit, hooray! 11:42:11 <Pikka> Wolf01, I thought about that in my newgrf(air)ports proposal 11:42:17 <Pikka> shared airports that build as industries 11:42:25 <Pikka> pity it will never happen :D 11:45:43 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has joined #openttd 11:45:59 <Pikka> <Pikka> oui andythenorth, semis 11:46:00 <Pikka> * Pikka will make all trucks as non-articulated semis 11:46:00 <Pikka> <Pikka> universal refit, hooray! 11:48:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:46 <Wolf01> you scared him 12:10:17 <Pikka> unlikely 12:10:34 <Pikka> more probably a wooden train emergency 12:11:54 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 12:13:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:46 <Alberth> wooden train emergency resolved 12:14:45 <andythenorth> 4G signal lies 12:15:02 <Wolf01> use telegraph next time 12:15:05 <andythenorth> now back in land of proper internet, with keyboards and all 12:15:17 <andythenorth> Pikka: one-piece RVs? 12:15:25 <Pikka> yes, except trams 12:15:34 <andythenorth> what about hover-trailers? 12:15:51 <andythenorth> truckellepins 12:15:59 <Pikka> I don't like having RVs which can't use the "normal" stops, it's a badfeature. :) 12:16:11 <Pikka> and can't overtake, etc 12:16:40 <andythenorth> I can see your thinking 12:16:52 <andythenorth> but I canât subscribe to this newsletter :) 12:16:54 <peter1138> what was the magic method to make timetables work nicely? 12:16:58 <peter1138> like, autoseparate shit 12:17:01 <andythenorth> there isnât one, they dontâ work 12:17:03 <Pikka> I also don't like having generational rvs where you get, eg, the tanker and the box and the bin introduced at different times 12:17:10 <andythenorth> autoseperate is lies 12:17:19 <Wolf01> never figured that out, peter1138 12:17:24 <andythenorth> it doesnât work 12:17:35 <Pikka> so having universally-refittable one-piece semi-trailers is the best of all possible worlds. ;) I'll have some articulated trams though 12:17:47 <andythenorth> Pikka: so just one truck per generation? 12:17:52 <Pikka> yep 12:18:02 <andythenorth> ho ho 12:19:09 <andythenorth> also avoids balancing 12:19:19 <Pikka> set plan is currently 4 trams, 4 buses, 4 coaches and 5 trucks 12:19:30 <Pikka> where "coaches" are higher speed but lower capacity than "buses" 12:19:56 <andythenorth> I am deleting the one âcoachâ from road hog 12:20:03 <andythenorth> build a train instead, innit 12:20:07 <andythenorth> or a zellepin 12:20:12 <Pikka> maybe 12:20:45 <andythenorth> what truck graphics are you having? Change-able trailers? 12:20:53 <Pikka> yep 12:21:45 <andythenorth> no b-doubles for you 12:21:57 <Pikka> nope 12:22:03 <Pikka> build a train instead, innit? ;) 12:22:19 <Pikka> or just build two trucks 12:22:40 <andythenorth> freight zellepin 12:22:56 <Pikka> hmm 12:23:54 <andythenorth> Pikka: itâs an appealing concept, but I bet you talk yourself out of it o_O 12:24:08 <Pikka> what, having no b-doubles? 12:24:15 <andythenorth> one truck per generation 12:24:32 <andythenorth> refitting all 12:24:45 <andythenorth> I nearly did it, but didn't 12:24:48 <andythenorth> canât remember why 12:24:50 <andythenorth> not realisms 12:25:09 <andythenorth> oh yeah, I wanted big and small trucks 12:25:22 <andythenorth> and HEQS-ish things 12:25:23 <Pikka> yes 12:25:35 <Pikka> I don't want big trucks 12:25:48 <andythenorth> hmm, Road Hog seems to have everything in the buy menu twice 12:25:51 <andythenorth> bit excessive 12:26:03 <Pikka> in pineapple terms, trucks are there to fill the gaps where you can't squeeze a train 12:26:18 <Pikka> it's not a set for truck fans ;) 12:29:00 <andythenorth> thatâs what helicopters are for 12:29:05 <andythenorth> land on roofs innit 12:33:40 * andythenorth should test grfs before tagging and releasing 12:35:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:58 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.51.4] has joined #openttd 12:37:29 <andythenorth> Pikka: do actually use drive-in stops? 12:37:36 * andythenorth wondered about supporting those 12:37:42 <Pikka> I do 12:38:26 <Pikka> also, I know that you can't give an articulated vehicle an order to a drive-in stop 12:38:44 <Pikka> but what happens if you auto-replace to an articulated? does the autoreplace fail, or does the vehicle get lost? 12:38:59 <Pikka> either way, it's sub-optimal. :) 12:40:11 * andythenorth watches some sketchy overtaking 12:40:15 <frosch123> auto-replace fails 12:40:21 <andythenorth> silently 12:40:25 <frosch123> it checks the orders 12:40:29 <andythenorth> the 3-axle bus just overtook the steam wagon 12:41:05 * andythenorth considers joining pikkaâs no-articulation club 12:41:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:05 <Pikka> it also provides an extra point of difference for trams, if trams can be longer/more capacious 12:42:23 <Pikka> articulated hovertrams 12:42:25 <andythenorth> do them like those funny matchbox highway trucks http://www.planetdiecast.com/hwdphotos/originals/246/650/IMGP1175.JPG 12:42:31 <andythenorth> only not bend 12:42:41 <andythenorth> theyâre about 1 tile long :P 12:43:18 <andythenorth> had a few of these, something very neat about their compressed dimensions 12:43:19 <Pikka> hmm 12:43:19 <andythenorth> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-5ETzbYCx9IA%2FUfoQWNzjqRI%2FAAAAAAAAXDw%2FMfgnmoeyfNk%2Fs1600%2FIMG_6617.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fyihj0750.blogspot.com%2F2013%2F08%2F1981-matchbox-lesney-no30-leyland.html&h=1200&w=1600&tbnid=NVcv7kX_7l2wGM%3A&zoom=1&docid=9jgBlaZj2T6J8M&ei=azsUVKK7BYyg7Aa7ioHwCg&tbm=isch&client=safari&ved=0CFAQMyglMCU&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=861&page=3&start=31&ndsp=1 12:43:50 <Pikka> perhaps I should make a proof-of-concept model, see how the dimensions work :) 12:44:04 <Pikka> but I should be doing hoverzellepins, right? that was the plan this weekend... 12:44:29 <Pikka> that's a cool truck 12:45:02 <Pikka> ho ho 12:45:07 <Pikka> "realism that can't be matched" 12:45:31 <andythenorth> hovers http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/109/319_l.jpg 12:46:27 <Pikka> btw, first tram 12:46:44 <Pikka> = articulated, steam-loco-hauled, refittable to everything. good idea? 12:48:25 <andythenorth> pax and fright? 12:48:32 <Pikka> yes 12:48:39 <andythenorth> I wouldn't 12:48:44 <andythenorth> which might be a good reason to do it 12:48:54 <Pikka> later trams will be "normal", passenger trams only 12:48:55 <andythenorth> for a start 12:48:56 <andythenorth> routing 12:49:14 <Pikka> routing? 12:49:19 <andythenorth> freight stop != pax stop 12:49:21 <andythenorth> is problems 12:49:35 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 12:49:47 <andythenorth> not showstopping, but clunky 12:49:50 <Pikka> hmm 12:49:52 <andythenorth> no autorefittings 12:49:57 <andythenorth> otherwise broken orders 12:50:08 <Pikka> maybe have a passenger version and a notpassenger version, then 12:50:14 <andythenorth> thatâs what I found 12:50:21 <andythenorth> I had a pax or mail tram 12:50:24 <andythenorth> until I tested it 12:50:29 <andythenorth> then I just had a pax tram 12:50:46 <andythenorth> also, I knew I had a b-train version http://www.garyscars.co.uk/mb/tp/1980/17-03.jpg 12:54:03 <Pikka> hmm.. but it isn't :D 12:55:04 <Pikka> a b-double / b-train would have a fifth wheel on the back of the first trailer and only two points of articulation, this has a dolly and three points of articulation. this is a road train. :P 12:58:33 <andythenorth> oh yes 12:58:40 <andythenorth> isnât that a rocky mountain double? 12:59:38 <andythenorth> https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/otps/truck/wusr/fig02_13.gif 12:59:40 <Pikka> I suppose it is 12:59:46 <Pikka> but we don't call it that here, obv. :) 13:00:27 <Pikka> those are some fancy graphics 13:00:43 <Pikka> http://htetransport.com.au/fleet-and-equipment/pocket-road-train/ 13:02:59 <Pikka> http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/krystal_g/b_double_roadtrain_info_australia.jpg 13:03:59 <andythenorth> none of those will be apple-pined 13:07:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:08:26 <Pikka> I don't think I had any of those trucks 13:09:53 <andythenorth> is a HEQS http://essexmodelsandminiatures.co.uk/blog/category/construction-plant/kw-dart/ 13:10:22 <Pikka> absolutely 13:10:27 * andythenorth lost in google 13:11:59 <Alberth> ask it the way back? 13:14:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:02 <andythenorth> it didnât know 13:22:13 * andythenorth is going to see a steam train 13:22:15 <andythenorth> bbl 13:22:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:29:20 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 13:30:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26815 /trunk/src (5 files in 3 dirs) (2014-09-13 13:30:31 UTC) 13:30:38 <DorpsGek> -Change: Allow to set the granularity of the tooltip hover time in milliseconds instead of seconds. New default value is 250ms 13:45:24 <Wolf01> thank you planetmaker 13:45:37 <planetmaker> welcome :) 13:50:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 13:58:41 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 14:19:42 *** InvokeStatic [~Invoke@c-24-11-157-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:34 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:51 *** nickshanks [~nickshank@host81-151-100-214.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:39:57 *** nickshanks [~nickshank@host81-151-100-214.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 14:41:52 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:09 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26816 trunk/src/saveload/engine_sl.cpp (2014-09-13 14:46:03 UTC) 14:46:10 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6109]: Properly zero-initialise data in _temp_engine. 14:51:14 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:56 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has joined #openttd 15:11:51 <andythenorth_> Chio 15:12:01 <andythenorth_> Or choo even 15:13:24 <Pikka> such steem train 15:15:16 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:10 *** nickshanks [~nickshank@host81-151-100-214.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:29:22 *** InvokeStatic [~Invoke@c-24-11-157-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:01 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has joined #openttd 15:31:03 <andythenorth_> Such train steam 15:31:55 <andythenorth_> Also boots 15:32:00 <andythenorth_> Everywhere 15:37:11 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:28 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:05 <George> https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/423/console 15:47:24 <George> Jenkins can't connet to hg! 15:47:56 <George> planetmaker: what to do? 15:48:43 <^Spike^> planetmaker i think that is one of the projects that needs your fix :) 15:49:45 <George> ^Spike^: "one of" what goes wrong? 15:50:11 <^Spike^> some internal changes on our end 15:50:22 <^Spike^> but planetmaker knows cf better then i do in this case 15:50:39 <^Spike^> so i could change it by hand... but well i don't know if i'd do the right rhing 15:50:43 <^Spike^> thing* 15:55:19 <Wolf01> mmmh I think there's something I don't understand: trying to make an alpine game, farms without crops and built on the top of mountains, forests always snowy built at the sea level -.- 15:56:02 <Wolf01> I'm using FIRS and opengfx landscape 15:58:27 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.69.255] has joined #openttd 15:59:28 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 15:59:28 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <andythenorth> bbl 16:00:23 <Pikka> he's off playing steam trains 16:01:03 <DanMacK> nice 16:04:03 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:38 <planetmaker> George, there, builds again 16:09:59 <George> planetmaker: The log looks strange 16:10:05 <George> it builds twice 16:10:18 <George> https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/425/console 16:10:51 <George> it builds three times ... 16:11:13 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has joined #openttd 16:11:35 <planetmaker> it builds the grf, the zip and the src bundle 16:11:45 <DanMacK> figures.. you come on just as Im leavig lol 16:11:57 <planetmaker> allegedly that's not strictly needed, but not a problem with the CF itself. Rather the makefile :) 16:12:50 <DanMacK> bbl 16:13:06 <andythenorth_> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskelot_(tall_ship) 16:13:49 <Wolf01> planetmaker, could you suggest a nice train set for early years (1880-1925) to use in combination with FIRS? 16:14:55 <planetmaker> hm, nuts starts in 1920. iron horse maybe? 16:15:03 <andythenorth_> Iron Horse? 16:15:09 <andythenorth_> Starts 1870 16:15:33 <George> planetmaker: you need to fix the make file? 16:17:08 <planetmaker> Wolf01, I'm not sure about start date of pineapple trains, but that's a nice set, too 16:17:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:58 <Pikka> 1900 for pineapple trains 16:18:12 <andythenorth_> Such boots 16:18:24 * andythenorth_ is at the docks 16:18:30 <andythenorth_> Drinking latte 16:20:44 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:55 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:16 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:59 <planetmaker> George, Makefile surely can be improved, yes 16:23:16 <Wolf01> oh, it looks I finally have a playable game 16:26:28 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 16:31:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:02 *** nickshanks_ [~nickshank@host81-151-100-214.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:33 *** nickshanks [~nickshank@host81-151-100-214.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:33 *** nickshanks_ is now known as nickshanks 16:47:01 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:39 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:20:14 *** AmixG5 [Michal@47.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 17:20:21 <AmixG5> hello 17:21:16 <Alberth> o/ 17:21:54 <AmixG5> I am looking for the latest MorphOS version of OpenTTD 17:22:09 <AmixG5> seems it stopped at 0.3.6 ;p 17:23:00 <Rubidium> there's 0.6.3 17:23:17 <AmixG5> 0.6.3 yes 17:23:19 <AmixG5> sorry 17:23:34 <Rubidium> there nothing newer 17:23:44 <AmixG5> I wish there was :) 17:25:12 <Rubidium> does MorphOS have a recent compiler, or is it still using one that is over a decade old? 17:26:04 <Rubidium> because I think that's the main reason it's not compiled anymore 17:26:33 <glx> IIRC morphos compiler didn't like our switch to "advanced" c++ 17:26:34 <peter1138> wasn't it still on 2.95 at that point? heh 17:27:05 <AmixG5> ohh ok 17:27:11 <AmixG5> I am just a player 17:27:13 <AmixG5> nice game 17:27:42 <tokai|mdlx> glx: More like the guy who ported it. :) 17:27:53 <tokai|mdlx> There's recentish gcc4 available on MorphOS. 17:28:09 <glx> hehe 17:29:02 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: would you try to make 1.4.3 for MorphOS? Is it hard task to do? 17:30:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:18 <Alberth> o/ 17:31:58 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: There's only little motivation to terrorize myself with C++. I get enough headaches with my PHP based work. (which sums up the worst two languages ever.. at least the one I had to use at some point) :) Anyway... Fab1 tried to make a port and didn't succeed, and he knows his way around with C++ unlike me. :) 17:32:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:32 <AmixG5> ohh 17:33:16 <andythenorth> fancy 17:33:17 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:36 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: but AFAIR he never really looked deeper into it.. it basically just failed the first time :) Certainly he's more busy with all his other ports already. :) 17:33:44 <AmixG5> so, openttd was only C before? 17:34:04 <tokai|mdlx> It used to be nice C code, yes. :) 17:34:22 <tokai|mdlx> before 0.5 or so, AFAIR. 17:34:33 <tokai|mdlx> 0.6.3 was C++ already, if I remember correctly. 17:35:27 <Rubidium> the bits of code that differ between operating systems are generally NOT in C++ code, just C code compiled with the C++ compiler 17:35:46 <tokai|mdlx> Rubidium: those are usually not the problematic bits :) 17:36:03 <Rubidium> if the porter needs to mess with order bits of code, then it's the compiler that is broken 17:36:05 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:40 <Rubidium> and in that case, the porter should fix the compiler instead of trying to work around compiler bugs 17:36:41 <tokai|mdlx> Could be a possibility, sure. 17:36:45 <AmixG5> Rubidium: well, something hit the road for morphos ports obviously 17:38:46 <Rubidium> AmixG5: sure, we can't support all compilers and at some point we hit so many issues with the old compiler that we declared it unsupported 17:39:22 <Rubidium> since MorphOS was lagging behind many compiler versions, that basically meant MorphOS had a problem 17:40:02 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: something as in motivation (see above) :) Here we have a guy who loves C, but gets nightmares with C++ mess. Now try to motivate such person to regularly port a huge C++ application :) 17:40:19 <peter1138> "C++ mess" implies our code is crap 17:40:20 <peter1138> thanks 17:40:42 <Rubidium> or rather... it was kinda seen as a dead platform because of not having a recent compiler 17:40:59 <tokai|mdlx> peter1138: C++ is mess. Any C++ code. The language is crap, IMHO. :) 17:41:01 <AmixG5> peter1138: some symbian people and others seems to have some negative views of c++ ;P 17:43:00 <tokai|mdlx> Rubidium: as I said there's gcc4 available. Not the latest, but a pretty recentish one (I don't know exact version without downloading the huge archive first :) 17:43:44 <peter1138> i doubt it's worth supporting it all for just one user (sorry AmixG5) 17:44:06 <tokai|mdlx> I don't think there's a real technical reason for current OpenTTD not being available for MorphOS. It's mainly a motivation and time issue or an issue of no other person with some knowledge stepping in :) 17:44:49 <AmixG5> peter1138: if supporting morphos, that means having almost 2000 users instantly :) because the ones that uses it, they love to play games and use it with all their heart :) 17:45:44 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: where do you get this fancy number? 17:45:53 <andythenorth> 2000 users! 17:45:56 <andythenorth> think of the money 17:46:09 <AmixG5> :=) 17:46:20 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: i see the graf 17:46:23 <AmixG5> :) 17:46:32 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: graf? The tennis player? 17:46:38 <andythenorth> Rubidium: any idea what % of users donate? o_O 17:46:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26817 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2014-09-13 17:46:45 UTC) 17:46:56 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:56 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: Do you mean this pointless MorphOS user graph? 17:46:57 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 2 changes by telanus 17:46:58 <DorpsGek> catalan - 4 changes by juanjo 17:46:59 <DorpsGek> german - 3 changes by planetmaker 17:47:00 <DorpsGek> russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:47:05 <Rubidium> andythenorth: how many users are there? 17:47:30 <andythenorth> if you know the % who donate, you can work out the total from the donations? o_O 17:47:44 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: It's not users it's generated licences (and not even exact). HUGE difference. 17:48:19 <AmixG5> :) 17:48:26 <AmixG5> anyway 17:48:36 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: if you're lucky you maybe have some 500 active users. But that's probably optimistic? :) 17:48:39 <AmixG5> I love to see 1.4.3 for morphos :) 17:49:11 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: Why not install the SDK and give it a try? If you hit a brick on the road you always can ask here for help, I guess. :) 17:49:33 <AmixG5> haha 17:49:37 <AmixG5> i am no coder 17:49:39 <tokai|mdlx> In theory you should get pretty far with Configure + Make, I guess? 17:51:20 <Rubidium> andythenorth: seems to be about 100 donation / year 17:51:41 <tokai|mdlx> Not too bad. 17:52:42 *** AmixG5 [Michal@47.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Amiga usage is not just usage. It's respect for everyone Supporting Amiga. Thanks to all developers!] 17:52:55 <Rubidium> and about 1 million downloads at openttd.org / year 17:52:58 <tokai|mdlx> Rubidium: does it cover costs? (server, etc)? 17:53:26 <Rubidium> tokai|mdlx: yes 17:53:38 *** AmixG5 [Michal@47.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 17:53:46 <tokai|mdlx> Rubidium: that's nice. 17:54:54 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: lets say that most of these sales are 1-2 licenses per person.. its less.. but its still giving morphos more users than ever before :) 17:54:59 <AmixG5> it just takes some time 17:55:06 <andythenorth> so 0.01% donate 17:55:26 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: it's not sales. It's just a license count. 17:55:45 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: and not even an exact one. Ignore this number. It has zero meaning really. 17:55:57 <AmixG5> I would say that if openttd got released and you post that people need to donate for more support, you will earn a bit 17:56:47 <Rubidium> money isn't the problem, developers doing the support are the problem 17:57:18 <AmixG5> http://mm.pl/~recedent/wykres2.png 17:57:33 <AmixG5> this is the stats I reffer to 17:57:53 <glx> as always, a dev for the plaform is hard to find 17:58:13 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx is here :) 17:58:39 <glx> OSX has a similar issue IIRC, but at least it can be compiled automatically 17:58:43 <AmixG5> how to motivate him is another task 17:59:13 <Rubidium> AmixG5: maybe EUR 80 per hour helps motivating him? 17:59:22 <AmixG5> i tried :) 17:59:26 <AmixG5> but no respons 17:59:32 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: first you would need to motivate him to even boot MorphOS regularly. :) 18:00:31 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: forget the internal morphos team conflicts ;P please come back. 18:00:34 <AmixG5> :) 18:02:40 <AmixG5> krmt.. I see v0.7.2 is out for AmigaOS 4.x 18:03:48 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: shows you how easy it should be to update the MorphOS build. Just do it. (AmigaOS 4.x port is only possible because all the work we did for the MorphOS part :) ) 18:04:30 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: sooo,.. release 1.4.3... I will reward you! 18:04:34 <AmixG5> :) 18:09:39 * andythenorth predicts a future with futurism rosters in it 18:13:09 <Pikka> terrible 18:15:04 <AmixG5> if openttd can be part of stopping people from throwing their old ppc macs in the garbage and instead use them with morphos which will give them support for a long time. now thats nice goals and shows positive signals for our enviroment. just thinking here. 18:15:51 <Alberth> most people do more than playing openttd on their computer 18:17:34 <Rubidium> why pay EUR 100 when you can just use OS X 10.4 where it already works? 18:19:18 <AmixG5> because that is a ridiculous thing to say 18:19:59 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: Try to be realistic. 18:20:33 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: sure,.. i am playing it on osx, android etc 18:20:39 <tokai|mdlx> Amiga-style computing isn't something you sell easily these days (for many valid reasons) :) 18:20:43 <AmixG5> but I would be happier if it was for morphos 18:21:23 <tokai|mdlx> It's nice for us "old" guys who grew up with the stuff and love it, but for your Joe Average these days it certainly isn't a suitable solution. 18:21:46 <glx> like amstrad 18:22:05 <tokai|mdlx> Pretty much all MorphOS users have other systems too to fulfill al their computing needs. MorphOS or AmigaOS alone isn't useful. 18:22:18 <glx> and its silly 3" disk format :) 18:23:08 <peter1138> don't forget the 3" "disk" tape 18:25:38 <tokai|mdlx> [SRC] Linking openttd 18:25:39 <tokai|mdlx> tokai@garnet ~/Desktop/trunk $ 18:25:42 <tokai|mdlx> nice. 18:26:01 <tokai|mdlx> Had only two harmless issues during the build, else out of the box. :) 18:26:15 <AmixG5> harmless issues? 18:26:18 <tokai|mdlx> On an old Mac OS X, that is. 18:27:04 <tokai|mdlx> Make run launched it even 18:27:39 <tokai|mdlx> Now it launched, after downloading some graphics. :) 18:28:42 * tokai|mdlx now plays a round r26817. :) 18:30:10 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: Yes, I didn't had two compression libs on my system, so I had to use the -without-<foo> switches to disable them. 18:30:15 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:35 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: i can be a beta tester 18:30:38 <AmixG5> :) 18:30:57 <tokai|mdlx> I don't know how to make a releasable OSX thing. :) 18:31:16 <tokai|mdlx> perhaps "make archive" will do the trick? 18:31:16 <AmixG5> grrr,,.. MorphOS 18:31:19 <AmixG5> :) 18:31:39 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: you didn't specify that earlier when you offered the big reward ;) 18:31:44 * tokai|mdlx runs 18:31:54 <AmixG5> haha 18:33:05 <tokai|mdlx> created: /Users/tokai/Desktop/trunk/bundles/openttd-custom-r26817-OSX.dmg 18:33:24 <tokai|mdlx> OpenTTD's build system is definitely nice. :) 18:35:07 <AmixG5> not funny ;P 18:37:12 <peter1138> 19:30 < tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: Yes, I didn't had two compression libs on my system, so I had to use the -without-<foo> switches to disable them. 18:37:16 <peter1138> multiplayer might be fun :p 18:37:21 <tokai|mdlx> I wonder why the OSX port has trouble finding a maintainer. This looks all quite ready and usable already and works out of the box. With a bit knowledge about OSX programming (I don't have any ;) ) it should be no hurdle, IMHO. 18:38:26 <AmixG5> tokai|mdlx: release 1.4.3 for osx, morphos and haiku :) 18:38:47 *** nickshanks [~nickshank@host81-151-100-214.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: nickshanks] 18:39:28 <tokai|mdlx> peter1138: All have a 'red' dot. Not sure how it works these days (I guess some strict version match is still required?) 18:40:18 <peter1138> Yeah 18:40:56 <AmixG5> the osx version now doesnt want to go into fullscreen mode totally... the topbar of osx still shows... means there are conflicts with openttd a lot :) 18:42:30 <tokai|mdlx> AmixG5: No problems here. Perhaps Apple broke something in newer Mac OS X versions (they like to do that) :) 18:43:59 <AmixG5> gta san andreas doesnt start anymore ;P i know.. sort of 18:47:16 <AmixG5> hmm, I see train fever.. a new game on steam... trying to become ttd in 3D... but they forgot the trams! silly :) 18:51:55 <andythenorth> one problem with the OS X port is that the bugs are pretty insignificant 18:52:16 <andythenorth> the only current issues I know of 18:52:25 <andythenorth> - game runs dog slow in windowed mode 18:52:44 <andythenorth> - console doesnât open/close cleanly on keyboard commands 18:52:57 <andythenorth> - console has stopped responding to up cursor in some recent rev 18:53:06 <andythenorth> otherwise it just works 18:53:06 <AmixG5> andythenorth: fullscreen isnt fullscreen also 18:53:12 <andythenorth> it is in Mavericks 18:53:25 <AmixG5> not on retina macbook pro 18:53:39 <andythenorth> it is in Mavericks 18:53:41 <AmixG5> it goes into fullscreen 18:53:51 <AmixG5> but the topbar stays there 18:54:04 <andythenorth> ok, so you have something different to me 18:54:07 <AmixG5> so there are conflicts with topbuttons of openttd and osx itself 18:54:17 <andythenorth> which mavericks, which macbook? 18:54:29 <AmixG5> macbook pro retina 13" 18:54:40 <andythenorth> 2014 model? 18:54:47 <AmixG5> 2013 18:54:51 <andythenorth> running 10.9.4? 18:54:58 <AmixG5> latest yes 18:55:11 *** sla_ro|master2 [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 18:55:12 <andythenorth> self-compiled? 18:55:17 <andythenorth> or nightly build? 18:55:30 <AmixG5> downloaded 1.4.3 from openttd site 18:56:00 <andythenorth> 1.4.2 RC 2 goes full-screen seamlessly for me 18:56:08 <andythenorth> as does a self-compiled recent build of trunk 18:56:17 <AmixG5> i can take a grab 18:56:24 <AmixG5> if needed? 18:56:45 <andythenorth> report it on flyspray 18:56:50 <andythenorth> doubt anyone will fix it 18:56:56 <AmixG5> hehe 18:57:02 <andythenorth> there will be no error log, and I canât reproduce it 18:57:17 <andythenorth> so it will sit there as âone more reason to drop OS Xâ ;) 18:57:18 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:34 <andythenorth> what resolution is your screen at? 18:57:42 <frosch123> are morphos users more likely to be osx users? 18:57:48 <frosch123> as in: one weird system is not enough? :p 19:04:24 <AmixG5> frosch123: hehe 19:04:27 <AmixG5> not really 19:04:32 <AmixG5> we still love ppc 19:04:35 <AmixG5> :) 19:04:49 <AmixG5> but also uses other systems also as tokai|mdlx said 19:11:20 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:36 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 19:19:04 <b_jonas> ok, now I have to decide what kind of services I build 19:19:14 <b_jonas> I'm thinking oil rig trains 19:19:52 <b_jonas> but maybe I want some city airports and transfer passengers first, afterall I have the Concorde 19:20:31 <b_jonas> and the Boeing too 19:21:10 <andythenorth> livestock by air 19:21:18 <b_jonas> no, definitely not that 19:21:38 <b_jonas> I don't even have an airplane refittable to that 19:22:00 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:02 * Rubidium is amazed that people are playing 1.4.3 already 19:23:08 <Rubidium> where's the Doctor when you need him? 19:24:11 <Rubidium> AmixG5: if you love ppc, then install Debian. It has OpenTTD 19:25:16 <Rubidium> last time I tried it, it even ran (which is like 4 months ago) 19:25:38 <andythenorth> I am surprised anyway has the patience for PPC 19:25:41 <b_jonas> the other possibilities I have are passengers by train (but I'd rather wait for better trains for that), or factory stuff by train 19:26:04 <Rubidium> andythenorth: as you can see from the commit logs, I even had the patience to fix a m68k compile issue 19:26:26 <AmixG5> morphos is not linux 19:26:30 <Rubidium> although... not really a compile issue, more regression triggering something 19:26:49 <AmixG5> i use morphos because its amigaos sort of 19:26:57 <AmixG5> much better though 19:28:24 * andythenorth ponders the wheres and whyfores 19:28:30 <andythenorth> but also consists, and flat docks 19:29:05 <Alberth> andythenorth: did you report devzone #7109? 19:29:50 <b_jonas> ugh, this oil thing might be tricky 19:29:55 <b_jonas> I'm not sure I want to do it yet 19:30:19 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:30:21 <andythenorth> Alberth: as an ottd issue? 19:30:22 <andythenorth> oh balls 19:30:23 <andythenorth> heâs gone 19:52:52 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 20:03:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:18 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:ec64:9f48:f5b1:bdc1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:01 * andythenorth bins âtypeâ info from Squid 20:20:38 <andythenorth> or not 20:31:54 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:46:07 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:24 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:52:42 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 21:02:03 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 21:11:17 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24:01 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:18 *** lain_r [~lain_r@IGLD-84-228-176-94.inter.net.il] has joined #openttd 21:26:57 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 21:39:49 <frosch123> night 21:39:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01c52d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:40:17 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.51.4] has quit [Quit: My quit tool detected that your client is infected by an unknow virus. We recommend a new client: www.adiirc.com] 21:42:24 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.29/20140909085502]] 21:43:40 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:29 <b_jonas> very good rating you say? let's see what you'll say after I level this hill of all its trees 21:44:56 <b_jonas> poor now 21:46:02 <b_jonas> hmm, it still allowed me to build the airport with poor rating. maybe it's too far from the city center for them to care? 21:46:47 <Sylf> They don't let you build stations if you have very poor or atrocious rating 21:49:38 <b_jonas> oh, so just poor is enough 21:49:47 <b_jonas> also, "atrocious"? isn't it "apalling" or something? 21:50:12 <Sylf> atrocious might be the american english version since 1.3 or 1.4 21:50:27 <Sylf> it used to be appalling for american english too 21:50:38 <b_jonas> I see 21:51:14 <b_jonas> right, that's what http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Local_authority_rating says too 21:51:44 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:54:24 <b_jonas> argh 21:54:26 <b_jonas> stupid town 21:54:33 <b_jonas> you're building where I am trying to build 21:55:25 *** sla_ro|master2 [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 21:59:12 <b_jonas> finally 22:00:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r26818 trunk/src/video/cocoa/cocoa_v.mm (2014-09-13 22:00:10 UTC) 22:00:17 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#AndyShouldHaveFoundFlySprayByNow] (r26758): [OSX] Line history and scrolling in the console window went on a walk. 22:01:48 <b_jonas> ok, so now to decide on the airplane. Concorde or Boeing? 22:04:20 <Supercheese> Airbus 22:04:55 <b_jonas> Boeing it will be 22:06:05 <andythenorth> nice commit michi_cc 22:06:13 <b_jonas> I don't have Airbus yet 22:07:06 <b_jonas> hmm, I could use the Guru Galaxy instead 22:07:20 <b_jonas> one each? 22:12:49 <b_jonas> ouch, I misclicked 22:13:09 <b_jonas> destroyed some town roads I didn't mean to 22:14:05 *** urdh [urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:23 <andythenorth> smoke fixed 22:18:32 <andythenorth> bedtime 22:18:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:22:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:27:52 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:00 <b_jonas> hmm, why does the station label display a train icon if I've only built railway station squares that don't have rails on them? 22:34:23 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:51 <b_jonas> nosie concerns? what noise concerns? argh 22:40:07 <b_jonas> too close to the city center for the new rules I guess 22:41:27 <Supercheese> if you're using OGFX+ airports, you can disable those noise restrictions 22:46:47 <b_jonas> I don't want to disable them 22:46:54 <b_jonas> they're for the better 22:47:06 <b_jonas> I wouldn't like too much noise for the town either 22:47:22 <b_jonas> but apparently they care only about the center of the town, where the rich people live 22:47:28 <b_jonas> not about their suburbs 22:49:19 <NGC3982> Evening. 22:49:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:45 *** urdh [urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:24 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:58 <Wolf01> 'night 23:06:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:16:49 <b_jonas> ok, now for the oil 23:33:43 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:05 *** AmixG5 [Michal@47.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Amiga usage is not just usage. It's respect for everyone Supporting Amiga. Thanks to all developers!] 23:46:18 <b_jonas> wow, I never knew refitting a vehicle can have a negative cost 23:46:39 <b_jonas> apparently refitting a bulk wagon from grain back to coal does 23:50:12 *** MTsPony is now known as MTsRicer 23:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that was a spec extension a few years back, when it was discussed that refitting stuff like HEQS trams from <n> wagons to <m> wagons should be negative if m is smaller than n 23:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> probably together with the refit callback 23:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but what you describe is probably a bug in the newgrf 23:57:33 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd