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(2014-12-18 00:52:36)] 01:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> something tells me that this is not very trustworthy 01:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone crazy enough to find out what that actually is? 02:09:38 <glx> wow autokill is rare 02:20:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:26 *** ChrizC [~oftc-webi@207.244.82.152] has joined #openttd 02:31:27 <ChrizC> Hi all, I have a station surrounding an oil refinery which is feeding in oil by trains, and taking goods out by both train and plane. There's always at least one vehicle loading, or attempting to load goods. All of the trains I use have top speed of 305km/h. I built a statue in the local town, yet I can't get my station rating above 26% and I have no idea what else to do? 02:36:00 <Sylf> what version of openttd are you using? 02:36:31 <ST2> single player or online server? wich newgrf's used? if SP, a savegame would help, if MP game, wich server? 02:37:32 <Sylf> I've experienced similar behavior in various nightlies 02:43:22 <ChrizC> sorry, I was outside having a cigarette 02:44:00 <ChrizC> Sylf, ST2; v1.4.4, single player, newgrf's are av8, opengf+ airports, industries, road vehicles and trains, and long vehicles v4 02:44:42 <ChrizC> 1 sec for savegame 02:45:24 <ChrizC> Sylf, ST2: http://puu.sh/dzdGu/6ab47e2542.sav 02:45:55 <Sylf> 1 sec 02:47:00 <ChrizC> I've got the station in question focused on, it's Marnbridge South 02:47:49 <Sylf> this looks very much like http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=71645 02:48:41 <Sylf> I didn't know this happened even in the release version 02:48:46 <ChrizC> Oooh, I didn't see that 02:52:02 <ChrizC> That's... not good? 02:53:33 <ChrizC> It's seriously affecting how well the station's performing. It's producing between 1,000 to 2,000 crates of goods per month but only transporting about 300-400 :( 02:53:33 <ST2> well, I'll bet it's a newgrf issue, and some are quite old (and not updated for long time) 02:54:08 <ST2> but that's saying the obvious ^^ 02:54:15 <Sylf> so, I tried this: I closed the airport, and stopped the goods train until the station rating hit 0% 02:54:28 <Sylf> then resumed the goods transport service 02:54:34 <Sylf> now the station rating is 65% 02:55:18 <ChrizC> Sylf; keeping the oil trains running? 02:55:23 <Sylf> yes 02:55:43 <ChrizC> Alright, lemme give that a try. Got a looot of planes wanting to land haha 02:56:20 <Sylf> It's not a real fix though 02:56:32 <ChrizC> Does it slowly go back down? 02:56:59 <Sylf> if no trains or planes are taking the goods, the rating will drop slowly 02:57:11 <Sylf> I'm playing with fastforward 02:57:58 <Sylf> and I got the rating down to 30%, and can't get it higher than that 02:59:02 <ChrizC> I can't even get the rating to hit 0%, it just hovers around 10 03:00:51 <ST2> btw, Long vehicles newgrf I had to download it manually - OpenTTD couldn't find it 03:01:09 <ChrizC> Yeah, it's not on the main thing 03:01:32 <ST2> probably you found the issue then ^^ 03:01:39 <Sylf> nah 03:01:52 <Sylf> the game I posted on tt-forums doens't use long vehicles 03:02:09 <ChrizC> Sylf, what newgrfs did you use on the game on tt-forums? 03:02:14 <ChrizC> Match any of the ones I have? 03:03:49 <Sylf> only OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles 0.4.1 matches 03:04:06 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 03:09:09 <ChrizC> Sylf; It seems to be any OpenGFX+ newgrf 03:09:25 <ChrizC> I just enabled scenario_developer, removed all the OpenGF+ newgrfs one by one 03:09:31 <ChrizC> now the rating's 75% and rising 03:10:26 <Sylf> lol 03:10:44 <Sylf> I did that on my save game, and it crashed the game 03:11:02 <ChrizC> Well I just screwed up my airport and stations by doing it lol 03:12:02 <ChrizC> Okay, OpenGFX+ trains doesn't seem to affect it 03:12:19 <ChrizC> Actually, scratch that, it's slowly going down again 03:13:06 <ChrizC> So yeah, it's something to do with OpenGFX+ 03:13:10 <ChrizC> in general 03:16:20 <Sylf> OpenGFX+ trees should be safe though 03:16:40 <Sylf> I play with that more than any other OpenGFX+ series, and I normally don't have problems 03:16:46 <ChrizC> I don't have that, so can't test it 03:17:28 <Sylf> it's downloadable in game 03:21:14 <ChrizC> Weird, for some reason, I can't demolish the airport at Marnbridge South 03:22:57 <ChrizC> Oh lol, silly me, I left a plane in the hangar 03:29:23 <ChrizC> Well it's definitely something to do with OpenGFX+ Trains, Airports, Road Vehicles or Industries. Or any combination of the 4. 03:39:54 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:41:18 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:41:41 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:42:07 *** ChrizC [~oftc-webi@207.244.82.152] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:07 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Quit: That's all folks!] 03:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> industry sets can change the way station rating is calculated 04:07:16 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.144.29] has quit [Quit: This is AdiIRC!] 04:08:19 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:22 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:27 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:28 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:47 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:27 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:49 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:12 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:28 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:02 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@000128e4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:33 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@0001612d.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:13 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:41 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 04:14:13 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:21:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:21:52 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:21:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:21:58 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:22:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 04:22:22 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:22:22 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:23:22 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:23:22 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:23:52 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:23:52 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:24:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@0001612d.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:52 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@000128e4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 04:25:22 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:25:22 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:27:29 *** stuck [~stuck@94.142.140.175] has joined #openttd 04:30:00 *** stuck [~stuck@94.142.140.175] has quit [autokilled: Do not spam. 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(2014-12-18 04:30:00)] 05:20:33 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:27:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD43F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC671A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:24:59 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:13 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:34:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6CF22.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:37:27 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:40:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.173.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:59 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:17 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:4d1b:e3b0:77b1:7b4f] has joined #openttd 07:26:29 <V453000> hmmm why does nmlc not say which sprite line is failing, just the line of the template ._. 07:26:42 <V453000> I know the filename at least, which is something but ... 07:34:15 <V453000> eg this https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p5hssrqzb 07:34:22 <V453000> I know some of those is having an error 07:34:43 <V453000> I think the only option to get beyond bounds of the file is to have y0 while x is >7F 07:34:54 <V453000> but I cant find any of these 07:39:16 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:39:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:43:18 <V453000> Alberth: halp :D 07:43:24 <V453000> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p5hssrqzb :( 07:43:34 <V453000> nmlc seems to hate me 07:43:44 <V453000> doesnt give line of error, just points to the template 07:45:29 <Alberth> yeah error handling with templates is not optimal, so to say 07:45:52 <V453000> well yeah I had no idea nmlc would not give me the line where the error actually is from :( 07:47:02 <Alberth> I don't know if it keeps that information 07:48:56 <V453000> hm :| 07:49:26 <V453000> still, there arent so many of them not to check by eye 07:49:37 <V453000> and I cant see any that would be below 7F and have y for 1 07:57:10 <Alberth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p1pjxuq2j 07:57:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:57 <Alberth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppkg4mk3k and my secret :p 07:58:00 <Alberth> moin andy 07:58:12 <V453000> O_O 07:58:13 <V453000> what 07:58:35 <andythenorth> bonsoir 07:58:46 <V453000> anyway, what does the output mean? 07:58:49 <andythenorth> what GS shall we make for christmas? 07:58:56 <andythenorth> Santa Claws? 07:59:11 <V453000> no X seems to exceed 2k and y 14k? 07:59:13 <andythenorth> deliver food and goods to every town on the map 07:59:14 <V453000> or 07:59:17 <andythenorth> how hard can that be to code? 08:00:00 <andythenorth> nice to play on a small map 08:00:03 <Alberth> I computed your x and y coordinate for the last sprite in the template, and let the machine print when an coordinate became bigger than before 08:02:44 <V453000> am lost 08:02:46 <Alberth> @calc 128*0x75 08:02:46 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 14976 08:03:29 <V453000> the image is x 2880 y16k 08:03:34 <V453000> which should be fine 08:05:04 <V453000> where 16k is exactly 128*128 08:08:29 <Alberth> @calc 128*0x75 + 128 08:08:29 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 15104 08:08:52 <Alberth> not even close to 16k 08:10:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:10:51 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:11:23 <V453000> yeah, only 7F is almost there 08:11:38 <V453000> 80 would be exactly there, which is where I would start adding 1 to y 08:11:51 <V453000> this is why I dont understand where is the issue 08:12:04 <V453000> unless there is some major issue at X 08:12:19 <V453000> which I dont see happening at 2800 either 08:12:51 <V453000> there is even the extra room of x1 zoom sprites next to it 08:14:15 <Alberth> say I make a dummy sprite file of 2880 x (16*1024), what needs to be done in your paste to make it acceptable to nml? 08:14:49 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/NUTS/MAG_FLATBED_0000.png this is the image 08:15:08 <V453000> what do you mean what needs to be done? 08:15:40 <Alberth> it'd needs an 8bpp file too 08:15:43 <V453000> I got this file, I add my template, give it hexa value according to the sprite sheet, assign correct template (x4 or x1) 08:15:55 <V453000> sure, the 8bpp file is exactly the same ... the error didnt get there clearly 08:16:23 <Alberth> I want to run your paste through nml, so I can check I get the same error and/or play with it 08:17:05 <Alberth> I don't care about the actual output or any logic 08:17:27 <Alberth> I just want to verify that nml dies on the code in that paste 08:18:22 <V453000> right 08:18:44 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/NUTS/MAG_FLATBED_mask_8bpp.png 8bpp mask 08:20:54 <Alberth> nmlc ERROR: "y.nml", line 18: Undeclared block identifier 'spriteset_maglevflatbed_empty_batteries' encountered 08:21:18 <Alberth> how do I make spriteset_maglevflatbed_empty_batteries known? 08:23:36 <V453000> ah that needs 8bpp x1 08:23:42 <V453000> sec 08:24:59 <V453000> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pdxle5ip8 08:25:23 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/NUTS/maglevflatbed.png 08:28:07 <Alberth> nmlc info: 0 sprites, 0 cached, 0 orphaned, 0 duplicates, 0 newly encoded (native) <-- it's being smart :( 08:28:56 <V453000> xd 08:29:39 <Alberth> a sprite set needs being used probably 08:29:52 <planetmaker> moin 08:29:55 <planetmaker> yes, it does 08:30:12 <planetmaker> same goes for switches. I found that out the other day, too when I tried to reproduce some stuff 08:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i have this dummy code in CETS 08:30:20 <planetmaker> and hence I always ask for full source ;) 08:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> because i need nmlc to not optimize out some things 08:31:54 <Alberth> it needs a --no-optimize flag :p 08:32:09 <Alberth> Sprites look very spiffy, V 08:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not right either, because it should optimize out loads of other things 08:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause> plus it's probably a bad idea to support random workarounds 08:33:30 <V453000> XD spiffy but something borkd :P 08:34:26 <V453000> alberth here I have sprite groups and switch https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p93nkxiuu 08:34:39 <V453000> maglevflatbed_wagon_switch just use this on a vehicle and it should be everything I believe 08:35:13 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: it's for debugging, not for production 08:36:16 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d086c49.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:44 <Alberth> item(FEAT_TRAINS, item_icm) { graphics { default: spriteset_maglevflatbed_YETI_5; } } <-- something like this seems sufficient, I'll add a few more :) 08:37:21 <V453000> Alberth: just paste the thing I pasted 08:37:23 <V453000> and use maglevflatbed_wagon_switch 08:37:29 <V453000> that will take all of the sprites 08:37:34 <Alberth> ah, nice 08:41:19 <Alberth> nmlc info: 992 sprites, 16 cached, 0 orphaned, 32 duplicates, 944 newly encoded (native) 08:41:19 <Alberth> nmlc info: Train items: 1/65420 08:41:19 <Alberth> nmlc info: Concurrent spritesets: 4/255 ("y.nml", line 164) 08:41:19 <Alberth> nmlc info: Concurrent spritegroups: 49/256 ("y.nml", line 360) 08:41:27 <Alberth> seems to work 08:41:53 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/y.nml 08:42:09 <V453000> ._. 08:42:27 <V453000> what could possibly be my issue? 08:42:50 <Alberth> it fits with the observation that the coordinates were within bounds 08:43:00 <V453000> right 08:43:17 <V453000> but if I give you the same code and the same files how could I get an error? XD 08:43:35 <Alberth> please try to run my file, to check your nml does the same 08:44:08 <Alberth> it's not the same file, I have taken lots of short cuts :p 08:44:39 <Alberth> you checked whether that .png file is used elsewhere? 08:44:55 <V453000> yeah, only this area though. 08:45:37 <Alberth> I should download your stuff? 08:45:53 <V453000> I dont heve it in the repository atm 08:46:48 <Alberth> k 08:48:02 <V453000> your thing compiled for me 08:48:15 <V453000> -> I should attempt to paste your code into my thing I suppose 08:51:10 <Alberth> can you take out some parts? 08:51:24 <Alberth> or eg replace line 5 by copying line 4 or so? 08:52:01 <Alberth> ie some way to make it more clear where the error originates from 08:52:18 <V453000> Probably 08:52:38 <V453000> trying to let it compile now 08:52:41 <V453000> runs so far 08:52:44 <V453000> lets see for how long 08:54:16 <V453000> takin suspiciously long now 08:54:30 <V453000> seriously if this fixes it then I have NO idea what is different XD 08:55:24 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:39 <V453000> right it failed, but at SLUGflatbed 08:55:51 <V453000> which is exactly the same where word maglev is replaced for SLUG 08:55:58 <V453000> so I will just paste your thing again XD 08:56:15 <V453000> it means that the whole maglevflatbed is correct as all of it is before SLUG 08:57:21 <V453000> compiling again =D 08:58:32 <Alberth> perhaps better check the result before doing a mass replace? 08:59:25 <Alberth> Oh, you noticed I killed your cargo table? 09:01:34 <V453000> thats fine I just replaced the sprite definitions 09:01:37 <V453000> not the groups/switches 09:02:01 <V453000> I am quite confident that IF it compiles, then it will be correct 09:02:05 <V453000> the if is a thing though XD 09:02:36 <Alberth> a minor pre-condition :D 09:02:43 <V453000> :) 09:03:12 <V453000> taking quite a while to compile :+ 09:03:28 <V453000> but considering that I am basically tripling the amount of sprites of NUTS once I get done ... 09:03:40 <V453000> not mentioning that third of them are x4 32bpp 09:04:23 <V453000> well, the longer it goes atm, the more hope I have that it will go through XD 09:05:30 <Alberth> compiled sprites get cached, so any next time is continuing from the point of the last failure 09:05:43 <Alberth> unless you change coordinates or files, or so 09:07:03 <Alberth> /me looks for a very small test case with a broken template 09:07:20 <V453000> right :) 09:09:32 <V453000> wtffffff 09:09:34 <V453000> it compiled actually 09:09:35 <V453000> l 09:09:38 <V453000> lets see the fruit 09:09:44 <Alberth> oh noes! :D 09:10:34 <V453000> looks right 09:10:49 <V453000> the company colours are fucking amazing 09:11:15 <V453000> slightly uglier than without them, but since you can adjust it I think it is still nice 09:12:38 <V453000> even though I have no idea what did you fix Alberth , thank you so much. :) 09:12:55 <Alberth> I have no idea either :p 09:13:00 <V453000> XD 09:13:09 <V453000> it shall remain a mystery I suppose 09:14:16 <Alberth> it would be nice if we could at least establish what was wrong 09:14:39 <V453000> well yeah 09:14:44 <V453000> trying to re-add x1 atm 09:14:47 <V453000> that could be a source 09:14:51 <V453000> aka the x1 template being borken 09:14:59 <V453000> buuut lets see 09:16:27 <V453000> compiled without problems again 09:16:30 <V453000> even with x1 09:17:15 <V453000> I was kind of hoping that the error would be there XD 09:17:29 <V453000> but mystery 09:18:50 <Alberth> eh? it points to the template instance here 09:18:59 <V453000> xd 09:20:15 <V453000> well the x1 just made it quite a bit uglier in some places, but other than that it is functional 09:20:34 <Alberth> what nml version do you use? 09:21:00 <V453000> will check after this compile 09:21:07 <V453000> probably not the latest 09:21:16 <V453000> about 1-2 months old 09:27:47 <V453000> hm 09:27:50 <V453000> downscaling methods are wtf 09:28:02 <Alberth> no improved error location reporting since then, by the looks of the log message 09:28:14 <V453000> right :) 09:28:28 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/tst.zip <-- could you test this? 09:29:01 <Alberth> nmlc ERROR: "006_vehicle.nml", line 54: Read beyond bounds of image file 'opengfx_generic_trams1.png' <-- that's the error I get, near the call of "tpl()" 09:29:22 <Alberth> instead of in the middle of the template 09:30:51 <V453000> cannot idenfity image file 09:30:52 <V453000> the pcx 09:30:58 <V453000> is the error it gives me 09:31:58 <planetmaker> yes... windows nml exe does not read pcx 09:32:15 <planetmaker> windoze simply is too stupid for that :P 09:32:16 <V453000> XD 09:32:25 <V453000> question is if pcx isnt too stupid :P 09:32:37 <planetmaker> of course, pcx is too stupid in the first place 09:32:53 <planetmaker> but as windows introduced pcx to the world, it should recognize it. But it doesn't anymore ;) 09:33:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 09:34:03 <V453000> oh XD 09:34:20 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/opengfx_generic_trams1_8bpp.png can you use this one instead? 09:34:24 <V453000> hm my x1 downsizing method is utter shit 09:34:30 <V453000> probably broken masking 09:37:10 <V453000> I am qutie lost in the files Alberth XD 09:37:12 <V453000> there are 3 now 09:37:18 <V453000> one is pcx 09:37:20 <V453000> one is 8bpp 09:37:39 <Alberth> replace pcx with the *_8bpp.png 09:37:58 <Alberth> or teach your system to read pcx files :p 09:38:33 <Alberth> I'd like to know what line the error is reported 09:39:01 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/NUTS/wtftest.png 09:39:42 <Alberth> right, pointing right at the line you want to have :p 09:40:03 <V453000> yeah I guess 09:41:30 <Alberth> always nice if you try to reproduce issues and utterly fail 09:51:01 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:08 <V453000> I think I will just release 0.7.8 and be done with it for now XD 09:55:51 <Alberth> if you ever manage to reproduce a report with the wrong line, either with a small example, or with public sources, please report it as a bug in nml 09:56:10 <Alberth> imho nml should also give you the template instance line 09:58:17 <Alberth> oh, it already exists: Bug #7001 but no example file :( 09:58:53 <Alberth> /me downloads yeti 10:01:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:10 <Alberth> how big is the repo? 10:02:50 <V453000> as fuck 10:02:53 <V453000> mathematically precise. 10:03:18 <Alberth> a rough estimate is enough :p 10:03:25 <V453000> looks like 7,65 GB here 10:03:58 <Alberth> right, at 1.6MB/s it'll be finished in 20 minutes or so 10:04:15 <Alberth> oh, no, much more even 10:04:26 <Alberth> ah well, I'll check it at the end of the day :) 10:04:36 <V453000> XD right 10:09:10 <V453000> hm I didnt know it is that big actually 10:09:15 <V453000> was expecting like 2-3 10:13:28 *** petern_ [~petern@2a02:cb0:1138:1:f9f0:932e:d763:6dbc] has joined #openttd 10:14:57 <Alberth> it stores all history 10:16:04 <planetmaker> maybe we should consider the largefiles extension for it. But ... it has rough edges. And means additional hassle 10:16:05 <Alberth> so if you change a sprite file, it saves the old and the new one 10:16:07 <planetmaker> for everyone involved 10:16:49 <Alberth> from a repo point of view, it would be best if you make lots of small graphics files 10:17:28 <Alberth> assuming you're not constantly changing every sprite :) 10:20:17 <planetmaker> very much so, yes 10:21:23 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-232-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:25:02 <Alberth> I wonder if there exist programs to generate a small diff for a changed image file, and if you could hook that into mercurial 10:26:34 <Alberth> theoretically it should be possible, but it feels a bit fragile 10:26:42 <petern_> it probably makes sense to keep each object in its own image. 10:27:10 <Alberth> source code has the nice advantage people can restore things if diffs get broken 10:27:34 <petern_> Although that assumes everything is easily segregatable. 10:30:38 <V453000> creating many files is a pure pain to me 10:30:48 <V453000> I like having it in large sprite sheets 10:32:07 <planetmaker> Alberth, there do exist diffs for images or merge programmes, but ... yes, fragile and not very easy 10:38:53 <Alberth> without hg integration, it the only use is an ad-hoc update of some image, imho 10:39:04 <Alberth> s/it// 10:40:04 <Alberth> I am sure I had something planned to do for today, but I completely forgot what it was :p 10:40:57 <peter1138> Sleep? 10:45:00 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:47 <Alberth> that's further down the list :p 10:54:35 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:54:36 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:35 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.195] has joined #openttd 11:11:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:33 *** JacobD88 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*** Progman [~progman@p57A1BF3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:20 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:26 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82dcfc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:34:34 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:47:34 *** AmongtheSavages [~oftc-webi@c-73-190-1-109.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:34 *** AmongtheSavages [~oftc-webi@c-73-190-1-109.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:48:00 *** AmongtheSavages [~oftc-webi@c-73-190-1-109.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:16 <AmongtheSavages> hello? 21:57:42 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:47 <AmongtheSavages> anyone here? 22:07:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:07:55 *** Bobix [Bobix@d531.ip13.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 22:08:43 <Bobix> hi, how do i fix the problem with industries going gung-ho quadruple too fast when playing with longer days? 22:10:31 <AmongtheSavages> i dunno 22:11:32 <AmongtheSavages> i'm watching a tutorial on railways and i see two different approaches on traffic flow. one uses exit/entrace/block signals and the other block/path only. 22:11:45 <AmongtheSavages> which way is most secure and efficient? 22:14:58 <Jinassi> Bobix, from my experince, its best to plan ahead for increased production, having an efficient station and/or longer trains help 22:16:05 <Jinassi> AmongtheSavage: Depends on preference from my point of view, but I still have lots to learn. I prefer path/block, since that's what i learned 1st and try to accomodate designs accordingly 22:17:44 <Jinassi> there's not much difference imho, i know path signals let multiple trains on the same track, if paths are not crossed, but I'd rather see someone else chip in. 22:26:37 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:09 <Bobix> Jinassi: indeed, but i want it to be more of a challenge since increasing day length effectively is cheating in this case and i don't want that 22:29:21 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:35 <AmongtheSavages> thx 22:35:04 <Bobix> i believe path signals are newer and were introduced to replace block/exit signals 22:35:09 <Bobix> but i'm no expert 22:36:15 <Wolf01> 'night 22:36:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:44:38 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:21 <AmongtheSavages> anyone know of any good 32bpp scenarios? 22:46:52 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:48:01 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:50:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2a00:6960:1:1:0:24:107:1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 22:51:11 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:4d1b:e3b0:77b1:7b4f] has quit [Quit: .] 22:54:02 <AmongtheSavages> are all AI's compatible with zbase? will they mess up any 32bpp graphics? 22:54:13 <AmongtheSavages> meaning will anything turn into 8b 22:54:48 <Jinassi> AI is just comp player 22:54:55 <Jinassi> does not hack your interface 22:58:46 <argoneus> good night train friends 23:00:22 <Jinassi> nn 23:02:17 <AmongtheSavages> gn 23:04:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CF22.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:07:19 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 23:13:09 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA869.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:41:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]