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04:33:49  <supermop> yo
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07:33:58  <andythenorth> o/
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07:59:55  <andythenorth> moin Alberth
08:00:04  <Alberth> moin
08:00:27  * andythenorth -> coffee
08:05:52  <Alberth> sounds like a plan
08:09:48  <andythenorth> Alberth: think we’ll need to store the goal uid (GoalID) in the company goal structure
08:10:30  <Alberth> likely
08:10:34  <andythenorth> I wasn’t sure whether we could use the goal num in the company goal structure
08:10:43  <andythenorth> probably they’re different
08:11:12  <andythenorth> GoalID appears to be globally unique (which is what I would expect)
08:11:24  <Alberth> nah, just make a new entry in the table
08:11:57  <andythenorth> I added a line to log GoalID, I didn’t want to touch the company structure without checking with you first :)
08:11:58  <Alberth> amount of delivered stuff also needs storage
08:13:10  <andythenorth> I read some squirrel docs last night just to get acquainted with it a bit more
08:20:15  <Alberth> maybe we should have a companygoal class so you can add code to the goal?
08:20:47  <andythenorth> I think so
08:20:55  <andythenorth> afaict we can then subclass for different goals
08:21:00  <andythenorth> or over-ride methods
08:21:28  <andythenorth> the class stuff in Squirrel looks pretty familiar
08:22:36  <andythenorth> give each goal subclass a ‘CheckProgress()’ method or such
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08:51:51  <Alberth> andythenorth: pushed a structure, currently working on monitoring and updating goal progress
08:59:09  * andythenorth pulls
08:59:21  <andythenorth> been thinking about how to report progress
08:59:34  <andythenorth> the goal window might get quite long, and I’m not sure if we can control order there
09:00:45  * andythenorth will experiment in a bit
09:01:39  <Alberth> only show incomplete goals?   perhaps add an overall goal (x of y goals achieved)
09:06:03  <andythenorth> agreed, incomplete + overall
09:06:20  <andythenorth> maybe the story book for history, if it seems worth it
09:11:22  <argoneus> hello
09:13:37  <argoneus> how are my train friends doing
09:14:08  <Alberth> if you want an unknown number of challenges, story book or newsitem perhaps
09:15:48  <Alberth> maybe you can adjust the goal?   (n-1 of n goals done, and adjust n every time a goal is done :p )
09:25:11  <andythenorth> history of last n goals
09:25:15  <andythenorth> maybe
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10:00:32  <argoneus> whoa
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11:21:59  <andythenorth> also download count is a meaningless stat
11:23:00  <Alberth> pushed monitoring and updating of delivered amounts
11:23:13  <Alberth> as in, it doesn't crash when you start a new game :p
11:23:25  <andythenorth> \o/
11:23:42  <andythenorth> Feature: doesn’t crash
11:23:56  <Alberth> always a useful feature :D
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11:28:21  * andythenorth wonders about a range settting for goal size
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11:40:09  <Alberth> I wondered whether the upper limit is a bit too high
11:42:07  <andythenorth> it’s 7500 currently?
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11:56:14  <Alberth> think so
12:04:59  <andythenorth> seems reasonable
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12:23:23  <andythenorth> hmm
12:23:46  <andythenorth> “Deliver 500 of <invalid cargo> to Flippertyworth Recycling Plant"
12:23:57  <Alberth> ieks :)
12:24:05  <andythenorth> label RCYC
12:24:19  <andythenorth> wonder if that’s a FIRS bug
12:24:44  <Alberth> that, or you swapped the {cargo}  values
12:24:59  <Alberth> (or I did :) )
12:25:03  <andythenorth> it’s 1 of 10 goals
12:25:06  <andythenorth> the other 9 are fine
12:25:22  <andythenorth> I just happened to leave a game running with AI companies, and it appeared
12:27:13  <Alberth> try printing all cargoes  of this.cargoes ?
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12:37:29  <Wolf01> hello o/
12:40:35  <andythenorth> hi Wolf01
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12:46:58  <Wolf01> seem it's monday, back to refactoring
12:56:59  * andythenorth refactors childrens’ lunch
12:57:07  <andythenorth> or children’s even
12:57:10  <andythenorth> stupid ‘
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13:06:45  <Wolf01> what one should test when the test is equal to the implementation of the function to test?
13:11:12  <andythenorth> test integration
13:11:30  <andythenorth> I read a good thing recently about the over-reliance on unit tests
13:11:40  <andythenorth> which I don’t have a link for :P
13:12:05  <andythenorth> and the chance that the tests inevitable have as many defects as the code they’re attempting to test
13:12:31  <andythenorth> also that, to meet coverage targets, people write stupid tests, like asserting 1+1=2
13:12:53  <andythenorth> I recently deleted some tests from an app that just tested python was behaving according to python spec :P
13:13:04  <andythenorth> assert on setattr
13:13:08  <andythenorth> dumb
13:17:00  <Wolf01> yeah, I know it well, but as I'm testing our DateTime wrapper, I don't want to test eg. the localised format() against a string, as it could be slightly different for each system which runs the test, so I thought of testing against a generated string, but to generate it I would write the same code (it uses strftime()) used internally :P
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13:46:16  <andythenorth> tautological :)
14:00:26  <Wolf01> mmh, DateTime::createFromFormat() acts strange, I expected that giving a constant "seconds" it would create a date with "now" and the seconds I fixed
14:00:41  <Wolf01> instead it creates 00:00:seconds I fixed
14:01:23  <Wolf01> but with the date part it acts right
14:02:41  <Wolf01> bah, PHP inconsistencies
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14:03:25  <andythenorth> :D
14:03:35  <andythenorth> testing datetime formatting is notoriously hard
14:03:49  <andythenorth> especially if you have locale, TZ, *and* user preferences support :)
14:05:24  <Wolf01> not that I want test their DateTime, but since our class sets up some defaults in case of missing/wrong data, I'm in trouble with the core implementation
14:05:51  <Wolf01> I need to find a way to test our stuff without trigger their weirdness
14:16:47  <Wolf01> what's the point of using italic in docs... | looks like / :D
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14:19:34  <andythenorth> o/
14:20:03  <Alberth> hi hi
14:22:30  <Wolf01> \o
14:40:58  <Alberth> delete some completed company goals would be next?
14:45:28  <andythenorth> yes :)
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15:30:40  <Wolf01> uh uh, a singleton class, this could be nice to test
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15:35:02  <Alberth> andythenorth: pushed  'done' detection, and removal
15:35:20  <andythenorth> yay
15:35:24  <Alberth> goal window needs to be updated and removal :p
15:35:25  <andythenorth> you are working much faster than me
15:35:40  <andythenorth> I have
.children interruptions
15:36:06  <argoneus> are you guys racing
15:36:11  <Alberth> programming with obstacles :)
15:37:40  <Alberth> no, we're doing remote pair programming :)
15:37:55  <Alberth> or perhaps co-operative programming :)
15:38:05  <argoneus> nice
15:38:30  <Wolf01> I'm programming with obstacles too, but my track is this: http://wirelessmedia.ign.com/wireless/image/article/121/1216939/rinline1_1327098623.jpg
15:38:45  <argoneus> wtf
15:38:57  <Alberth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/busy-bee-gs
15:40:04  <Alberth> Wolf01: sort of lemmings programming?
15:52:39  <andythenorth> mostly alberth programs, and I make some strings appear twice a day
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15:55:27  <Wolf01> Alberth, it could be like that, yes
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16:06:36  <Wolf01> mmh, tried mocking the class, the track suddenly became this: http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6636/lavarun.png
16:07:28  <Wolf01> I need a rocket launcher
16:10:52  <Alberth> too many weird dereferencing to foreign sites :)
16:11:22  <Alberth> *dereferences
16:13:22  <Wolf01> eh they also warned me " You can't control the creation of the singleton object because often it is created in a static initializer or static method. As a result, you also can't mock out the behavior of that Singleton instance."
16:19:17  <Alberth> as long as you don't do anything when creating the singleton, there wouldn't be a problem right?
16:19:37  <Alberth> alternatively, create it on the first call?
16:20:29  <Wolf01> no, that's not the problem, the problem is that I need to destroy it for every test or it carries the stuff other tests put in
16:21:23  <Wolf01> but, I can't destroy a singleton :D
16:21:41  <Alberth> nice eh?  :p
16:22:25  <Wolf01> I could write some reset methods, but I don't want to change the class yet, I need to test it first
16:23:26  <Wolf01> also, that weird thing is a dependency injection container too, and it have its own hardcoded dependencies
16:23:55  <Alberth> yeah, testing is overrated :p
16:24:53  <Wolf01> and that code is so weird it relies on classes instead of interfaces
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16:29:07  <Alberth> if you just have 1 implementation, wouldn't that be the solution you want in the first place?
16:29:41  <Wolf01> no, because it's not testable
16:30:07  <Alberth> oef :(
16:31:22  <Wolf01> oh, there is a nice way to reset the parameters :D... no it just does nothing D:
16:35:35  <andythenorth> so the singleton isn’t recreated for every test?
16:35:45  <Wolf01> no, it's a singleton
16:36:05  <andythenorth> but the app isn’t torn down and rebuilt for each test?
16:36:17  <andythenorth> that can be slow :P
16:36:27  <Wolf01> I could move each test on a different thread
16:36:51  <Wolf01> but I'm sure it will blow up
16:38:27  <Wolf01> eh, it does
16:38:41  <Alberth> of course, threads share memory
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16:39:53  <Wolf01> no, I have thread safe PHP, but I think there's something else to disable in PHPUnit
16:40:15  <Wolf01> for example I forgot: @preserveGlobalState disabled
16:40:31  <Wolf01> and now it passes all the tests nicely :D
16:42:51  <Wolf01> slooooooooow
16:53:20  <Alberth> more coffee time :)
16:55:08  <Wolf01> I'm trying to limit the absumption of that substance, just the minimum to not get headaches
17:00:46  <Alberth> switch to tea :)
17:02:57  <supermop> gah "goods Valley" id been playing off and on for two weeks failed
17:03:14  <supermop> i guess i will try for the cookie
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18:02:25  <NGC3982> Oh hai.
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18:05:27  * andythenorth tried limiting coffee
18:05:29  <andythenorth> no benefit
18:05:31  <andythenorth> no upside
18:05:34  <andythenorth> much downside
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18:20:58  <Wolf01> andythenorth, you can drink as many coffee as you want, yours it's like tea, if I would drink more than 5 espresso in a day I'll die in a week
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18:27:05  * NGC3982 drinks like four espresso's a day.
18:27:17  <NGC3982> Although, in 6-10cl pints.
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18:31:08  <Alberth> gn
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18:38:50  <andythenorth> Wolf01: I am drinking espresso or americano
18:38:55  <andythenorth> or lungo
18:39:17  <andythenorth> or ristretto
18:40:51  <NGC3982> Isn't Americano diluted espresso?
18:41:08  <Wolf01> americano is ghost coffee
18:41:41  <FUZxxl> Greetings from Congress to all of you!
18:41:41  <andythenorth> mine is usually expresso filled up with water
18:42:29  <NGC3982> Expresso?
18:42:53  <Rubidium> NGC3982: word crimes?
18:42:59  <NGC3982> I guess that is the equivalent to the Europeean Néscafé.
18:43:42  <NGC3982> No, i do actually think Expresso is a brand name for dry freece'd coffee.
18:44:11  * NGC3982 has seen it somewhere.
18:45:19  <andythenorth> it was a word crime
18:45:30  <andythenorth> obiwan on my keyboard :P
18:45:51  <NGC3982> :)
18:46:02  <Rubidium> now something more openttd related...
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18:46:28  <Rubidium> this cargodist in the real world, how long does it take (specifically) UPS to update they status of packages?
18:46:30  <andythenorth> a commit? :o
18:46:33  <andythenorth> oh
18:46:35  <andythenorth> not a commit :P
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18:47:41  <Rubidium> because apparantly they are to deliver a package today before 19:00 local time (45 minutes ago), but based on their tracking stuff it isn't even in my country yet
18:48:42  <Wolf01> one of my tracking shown the package was in Germany while I had it in my hands
18:48:42  <andythenorth> probably using cassandra
18:48:48  <NGC3982> Wat
18:48:51  <NGC3982> Oh, sorry.
18:48:56  <andythenorth> the database will be consistent
.eventually
18:49:00  * NGC3982 has hilight on his wife's name.
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21:24:06  <Wolf01> boring games for boring people, back to clicker heroes :P
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21:26:09  <Wolf01> good, not so much improvement since this afternoon, I'll need some other boring thing to do
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22:46:02  <argoneus> so what are you guys going to do in 2015
22:51:06  <Wolf01> I'll become a wizard
22:54:57  <NGC3982> I will turn into a solid block of barium-132.
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23:20:07  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:46:13  <argoneus> nn

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