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00:05:04 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the idea is that everybody takes on a different language 01:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> not one takes all languages :p 01:14:18 *** dreck [~oftc-webi@166.62.182.125] has left #openttd [] 01:19:20 *** dysoco [~dysoco@host231.190-229-114.telecom.net.ar] has joined #openttd 01:20:59 <dysoco> So any ideas why my Train Depots won't let me create any engines (only wagons)? They were working one hour ago in the same game, is this a bug or did I mess something up? 01:23:21 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:17 <dysoco> hm apparently setting "never expire engines" and running "reset_engines" on the console fixes it. 01:39:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DED2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, conventional engines run out with the default set. you should switch to maglev 01:59:09 *** twb` [~twb@203.7.155.99] has joined #openttd 01:59:48 *** twb` [~twb@203.7.155.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:57 *** twb [~twb@203.7.155.99] has joined #openttd 02:01:22 <twb> I'm looking at giving openttd to prison inmates. They can't have a REPL (console) that can run arbitrary commands. Can openttd's console be used to run arbitrary commands? 02:01:51 <twb> I see it can cd and ls, and I can get it to cd to /bin, but I'm not sure if I can get it to run something like curl 02:17:49 <glx> you can't run anything from openttd 02:18:00 <twb> OK, thanks 02:18:30 <glx> cd and ls are just used to navigate and then load savegames 02:18:38 <twb> (I saw exec and script commands and I wasn't sure if I could write an openttd script that then did arbitrary commands.) 02:20:51 <glx> scripts are just collections of openttd commands 02:20:59 <twb> Okey dokey 02:29:23 <twb> Does openttd make any noises, other than the music? 02:29:38 <twb> (I'm not hearning any, but I'm not sure if that's my fault.) 02:30:54 <twb> ldd says it's linked to libFLAC and libvorbis but I think that's just coming via SDL or so 02:37:00 <Elyon> there is both a soundset and a musicset 02:37:07 <Elyon> the soundset makes quite a lot of noises 02:37:11 <twb> Hm, OK. 02:37:25 <Elyon> I think it's called OpenSFX 02:37:26 <twb> I'm running Debian 7 with openttd 1.2 and I can only see openmsx and opengfx 02:40:07 <twb> Ah they're in the non-free section 03:13:50 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:18:18 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-50-47.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:16:25 <twb> This is weird. When I run openttd as root, I get both sound effects and music. When I run it as a normal user, only the music is working. 04:16:46 <twb> (My test is to hit new game > generate, then click the fast forward button and listen for choo-choo noises.) 04:18:57 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:24 <Elyon> well, do you have anything generating the noises? 04:19:44 <twb> Dunno. I don't really know how this game works, I was just told to install it 04:20:00 <twb> When I run it as root it even makes noises on the start screen, actually 04:21:45 <twb> lsof says root-owned openttd is using /dev/snd/ (ALSA) interface, which is world-writable... 04:22:55 <twb> No error output when I run it as an inmate 04:24:38 <twb> OK this play sound effects: su - p -s /bin/sh -c 'exec /usr/games/openttd -s sdl -S OpenSFX' 04:24:59 <twb> But without -S OpenSFX it isn't doing so... 04:26:29 <twb> Maybe because I ran it as p once without the sounds, so it has remembered that in his home... ? 04:26:51 <twb> Aha, looks like it 04:26:51 <twb> soundsset = "NoSound" 04:30:31 <twb> works now 04:33:43 <Elyon> ah :p 04:33:44 <Elyon> okay 04:46:30 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-50-47.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:38 <twb> Grr. If I just put the opensfx .zip there, it doesn't see it. Debian's .tar works, but I don't really want to enable non-free just for that one file 05:04:45 *** dysoco [~dysoco@host231.190-229-114.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to unpack the .zip 05:06:45 <twb> ok 05:06:56 <twb> (grumble) 05:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> .tar is uncompressed, so openttd can read it directly 05:07:26 <twb> Yeah I have just seen a lot of other games aimed a windows users that compile in a libzip or so 05:07:32 <twb> e.g. zsnes 05:08:11 <twb> It's not a big deal; just means an extra line in my build script 05:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we have compression for savegames, but the point here is performance, because the stuff is accessed repeatedly on disk 05:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> random access and compression do not mix well 05:09:35 <twb> understood 05:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the stuff downloaded from online content is compressed, and extracted after download 05:11:18 <twb> inmates don't get access to the internet, so I don't care about that :-) 05:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (you can also get opensfx from there) 05:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if they can't access online content, you might want to provide a selection from there, especially AI opponents, which are not builtin 05:13:38 <twb> okey dokey 05:13:46 <twb> I'll look into that 05:13:57 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you can just download stuff, and copy over the content_download folder to any client 05:15:09 <twb> Into /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ ? 05:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> downloaded content is usually put into ~/.openttd 05:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but it will be found in that folder also 05:16:09 <twb> OK good. 05:16:23 <twb> Putting stuff in inmate homes by default is a bit painful 05:16:36 <twb> Putting it in /usr means it's updated with the SOE 05:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i understand that 05:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll probably just work(tm) 05:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> just be careful to not put openttd.cfg there, otherwise the game will try to save to that folder, and stuff... 05:18:39 <twb> Righto 05:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> details on how the folder discovery works can be found in the readme (section 4.2, i think) 05:22:52 <twb> thanks 05:38:28 <mgrunin> openttd is shit 05:38:30 <mgrunin> how autistic do you need to be 05:41:50 <twb> >shrug< personally I prefer sneaking up to a band of orcs and slitting their throats one by one. YMMV 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5D3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6645B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:05:57 <smoke_fumus> mgrunin: fat troll, blowing chunks of oily grease on the official channel. did it worth it? 06:06:41 <twb> smoke_fumus: what puzzles me is he didn't /join right before trolling -- he'd been here for hours 06:07:28 <smoke_fumus> no puzzle in that. it's a fat troll. he probably forgot he wanted to troll channel when he joiner, right after he saw a boob in some ad. 06:07:37 <smoke_fumus> *joined 06:07:49 <twb> hehe 06:13:27 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:15:04 <mgrunin> openttd is for super virgins 06:23:35 <Elyon> you know the weirdest thing? 06:23:46 <Elyon> they said the /exact/ same thing about a week ago 06:23:51 <Elyon> word for word 06:23:57 <Elyon> haven't seen them leave since 06:26:14 <twb> See if I was gonna do that, I'd hook it up to cron and a markov chain 06:26:23 <twb> and then just walk away 06:26:29 <Elyon> maybe that's what happened 06:26:52 <twb> maybe connect it to some kind of ad revenue so it's hosting is self-funded -- like Xah Lee 06:49:05 *** twb [~twb@203.7.155.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18:25 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.179.23.201] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC 1.9.6 Disequilibrium http://www.adiirc.com/] 07:27:55 *** Isaschar [~Isaschar@p54B57181.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:28:07 <Isaschar> hi 07:35:31 <Supercheese> Salutations 08:12:26 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 08:34:46 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:13 *** McZapkie [~oftc-webi@mczapkie.ket.agh.edu.pl] has joined #openttd 08:38:00 <McZapkie> it is working? 08:41:31 <Supercheese> eh? 08:42:20 <planetmaker> moin 08:42:59 *** McZapkie [~oftc-webi@mczapkie.ket.agh.edu.pl] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:43:54 <dihedral> hello 08:53:14 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:518b:bf8:35eb:88b0] has joined #openttd 09:47:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A63C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:55:57 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 10:01:52 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 10:02:56 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34:44 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 10:40:35 *** shadowalker [~dark@le.shadownet.io] has joined #openttd 11:36:48 *** dreck [~oftc-webi@166.62.182.125] has joined #openttd 11:36:50 <dreck> hi 11:45:37 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:26:13 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 12:32:09 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest1601 12:32:14 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:28 *** Gather [~oyvind@vmnet.devitpro.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:07 *** Guest1601 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:24 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:50 *** Gather [~oyvind@malin.network] has joined #openttd 12:49:35 *** Gather [~oyvind@malin.network] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:17:13 *** naliao [~Naliao@107-133-209-15.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:41 *** dreck [~oftc-webi@166.62.182.125] has left #openttd [] 14:03:47 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 14:15:47 *** [1]Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 14:21:46 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:46 *** [1]Suicyder is now known as Suicyder 14:51:55 *** naliao [~Naliao@107-133-209-15.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:54:53 <Belugas> bonjour 14:58:22 <__ln___> aussi 15:04:20 <peter1138> oui 15:06:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:27 <planetmaker> salut 15:09:55 *** kruug [~kruug@0001fbae.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:06 <kruug> I was looking to see if there was a "Portable" version of the game. I'd like to be able to install everything to a USB drive and take everything with me instead of having to copy everything off of the user directory. 15:11:27 <kruug> I see there's the zip archive, but it still puts save games and game resources onto the main drive of the computer. 15:11:47 <planetmaker> openttd is portable by default 15:12:07 <planetmaker> openttd puts savegames and content download relative to the dir it finds the openttd.cfg 15:12:28 <planetmaker> thus have openttd binary accompanied by openttd.cfg and the rest in the dirs relative to the binary and you're set 15:12:39 <planetmaker> see also readme, section4 15:13:59 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:15:20 <kruug> planetmaker: so, after the first run, I have to copy the openttd.cfg file from the personal directory to the current working directory? 15:15:31 <kruug> s/copy/move 15:15:38 *** engineerwolf [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:13 *** engineerwolf is now known as Guest1618 15:16:18 *** engineerwolf [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:45 <planetmaker> kruug, you can simply create an empty openttd.cfg before the 1st run, too 15:21:56 <kruug> well, that was stupidly easy. Thanks planetmaker. 15:22:47 <planetmaker> you're welcome 15:47:13 *** Guest1618 [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:14 <Belugas> Comment ca va? How are you doing? Como esta usted? 15:57:36 *** engineerwolf [~engineerw@0001f8e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:56 <peter1138> combein 15:58:15 <peter1138> combien? 15:58:19 <peter1138> how many? 15:58:22 <peter1138> i dunno :D 15:59:40 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:06:28 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:06:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:15:41 <Alberth> moin 16:37:34 <jjavaholic> is there a way where one can remove towns? 16:42:16 <planetmaker> scenario editor 16:42:21 <planetmaker> and moin 16:42:49 <jjavaholic> what is moin? 16:42:56 <planetmaker> a greeting 16:43:02 <planetmaker> :) 16:43:32 <kruug> Danish, Frisian, and Low German. Meaning "hello" and sometimes "goodbye" 16:46:02 <Belugas> lol @ peter1138 ! 16:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't it be "estan" with "usted"? 17:00:29 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:55 *** kruug [~kruug@0001fbae.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:43 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d088930.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:23:38 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:36:58 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 17:59:04 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:01:37 *** frosch123 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