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00:12:50 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:17:20 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-170-165.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:28:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:46 *** samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-155-33.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:52:24 <Pikka> monsieur le supermop 00:52:43 <Pikka> I did start coding your tram, then I'm afraid I disappeared down to sydney for a week. but I'm back. :) 01:00:53 <supermop> haha its ok 01:01:00 <supermop> ive been modelling mmore 01:01:15 <supermop> ..and looking at flights to singapore 01:01:59 <Pikka> if you have any more finished, send 'em over. ;) 01:03:03 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.31.159.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC, taking bug report and suggestions seriously. Might to try? - www.adiirc.com] 01:03:21 <supermop> do you use google drive? 01:04:26 *** tobias_ [~tobias@p200300544E3D6F703C126055DBA335F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:11 <Pikka> I do not 01:31:16 *** itsatacoshop247_ [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has joined #openttd 01:38:41 *** itsatacoshop247 [itsatacosh@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:36 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:01:58 <supermop> ok no to singapore as my us passport expires in less than 6 months and it takes forever to get a new one here 02:11:17 <Pikka> whoops 02:11:29 <Pikka> nearly got the offsets on these first trams sorted, then they're ready. :) 02:16:51 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:17:06 <Pulec> can anybody please try to access http://dfkl.eu ? 02:17:24 <Pulec> do you get simple white page or hosted by megavz.com? 02:23:56 <glx> a simple page 02:24:19 <glx> with only a <p> 02:24:34 <Pulec> yes, thats correct 02:24:52 <Pulec> for some reason when I try to access from my place I get different page 02:25:07 <Pulec> its probably because I am still coneted to that vps 02:25:13 <Pulec> thank you glx 02:25:21 <Pulec> I do recommend this vps host 02:25:56 <Pulec> â¬4.5 a year for good setup with no public ipv4 02:26:41 <Pulec> you have to play with proxies and stuff, but it works :-) 02:27:43 <supermop> oooh 02:29:52 <Pikka> :) 02:33:57 <supermop> haha watching this thing drive around is the best part of my day 02:34:38 <supermop> question aabout coding - is it hard to code a segment that sort of overlaps other segments? 02:35:25 <Pikka> "sort of overlaps"? well, you can't really do any sprite sorting. what did you have in mind? 02:36:56 <supermop> http://capsule-tower.tumblr.com/ 02:37:23 <supermop> the top option of those yellow ones, how best to do the round part 02:38:13 <Pikka> put half on each so they line up when the vehicle is travelling straight, I'd say. 02:38:38 <Pikka> ie cut the round part through the middle 02:42:24 <supermop> what if i render the front and rear with the shape of the round part cut out, would that solve issues with sprite sorting? 02:43:18 <Pikka> well, it'd look odd when going round corners. it's going to look odd going around corners no matter what. so I'd just think about what's easiest. :) making 2 parts with half the round section each would be easiest. 02:44:09 <supermop> ok i guess with current way roads are set up trams spend little time in corners anyway 02:44:20 <Pikka> si 02:46:12 <supermop> i may render these on a fake road so the aluminum bits and clear bits are less blue, then render without to create a mask to cut out the road 02:57:09 <supermop> i sent you some stuff i need to re do, just in case you are curious as to what ive been working on 02:58:34 <Pikka> nice :) 03:00:51 *** Netsplit over, joins: liq3, supermop, CosmicRay, KWKdesign, HerzogDeXtEr1, TheMask96, zeknurn 03:00:51 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Klanticus, Sylf, jonty-comp, Cursarion, Flygon, Supercheese, gnu_jj, jinks_, dfox, Speedy, (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:02:11 *** itsatacoshop247_ [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04:41 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@000128f3.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Extrems2 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** raincomplex [~raincompl@pool-98-109-182-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@46.246.119.109] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.ks.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD457F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** gnu_jj [~quassel@ipbcc0ba00.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Maarten1 [~irc@2605:e000:160b:8138:1c42:a8e2:deb3:328c] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+v tokai] by resistance.oftc.net 03:05:38 <supermop> ok 03:06:18 *** quorzom_ [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 03:14:03 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:20 *** quorzom_ [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29:18 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:29:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DBBB.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:58:43 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 05:07:24 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 05:07:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD457F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:14:41 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 06:17:06 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:29:44 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 06:45:06 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@162.253.131.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:45:12 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:55:41 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 07:02:04 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:a5e6:a7ff:fbea:e77f] has joined #openttd 07:40:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:46:07 <supermop> yo andy 07:47:34 <andythenorth> moin 07:49:08 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 07:52:38 <Pikka> moin 07:52:49 <Pikka> and such 07:53:55 <V453000> hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 07:54:47 <andythenorth> lo Pikka bob 07:54:55 * andythenorth had a question 07:54:58 <andythenorth> what was it? 07:55:11 <Pikka> is that the question? 07:55:26 <andythenorth> might have been 07:55:37 <andythenorth> what ho Pikka? Any new houses or jobs? 07:55:50 <Pikka> not really 07:56:05 <Pikka> should probably be looking for a job. uni goes back next week. :) 07:56:34 <andythenorth> âWork from home, make 00 a week" 07:56:40 <andythenorth> sure thereâs one of those jobs around 07:57:20 <andythenorth> me and Dan are making SARS, was that the thing I wanted to tell you? 08:11:06 <Pikka> perhaps 08:12:09 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d85d484.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:32 <__ln___> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/ 08:23:38 <dihedral> hi 08:24:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-99-117.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:24:34 <__ln___> hello 08:28:42 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:23 *** tobias_ [~tobias@p200300544E3D6F253C126055DBA335F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:34:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-99-117.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:47 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-60-63.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:21 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 08:49:48 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-60-63.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-82-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:55:12 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d85d484.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:03 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:54 <andythenorth> bbl 08:58:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:02:57 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 09:05:11 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 09:11:26 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 09:23:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 09:23:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 09:23:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 09:23:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 09:42:40 *** Taco [~kitty@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:44 *** Taco [~kitty@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has joined #openttd 09:46:26 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:51 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:59:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:56 * andythenorth experiments with downgrading Iron Horse to python 3.2 10:05:29 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:12:00 <andythenorth> hmm 10:12:03 <andythenorth> tedious :) 10:12:40 <Pikka> huzzah! 10:14:04 <andythenorth> python3.2 ate all my vehicles 10:14:11 <andythenorth> Pikka: so a cyclone warning eh? 10:14:27 <Pikka> mmhm 10:14:35 <Pikka> although it will just be a lot of rain by the time it gets here 10:32:23 <andythenorth> there is a lot of rain on my python :( 10:45:21 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 10:46:45 <smoke_fumus> andythenorth: give it a year and it will eat half of your braincells and your programmer decency/dignity 10:46:49 <smoke_fumus> whichever comes first 10:55:04 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:55:42 * andythenorth has no programming decency or dignity 10:56:15 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 11:01:21 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:19 <andythenorth> bastards 11:05:40 <andythenorth> string equivalence checking changed between python 3.2 and 3.4 11:06:04 <andythenorth> 3.4 you can do âif repo_vars.get('roster', '*') is â*â:â 11:06:18 <andythenorth> 3.2 you have to do âif repo_vars.get('roster', '*') == â*â:â 11:06:40 <andythenorth> downgrading is horrible 11:07:12 <andythenorth> Iâve been reading some Guido stuff, some of the stuff in 3.4 was added because 3.2 made porting from python 2 too hard 11:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so, then don't downgrade. 11:11:44 <andythenorth> no choice 11:11:52 <andythenorth> jenkins uses 3.2 11:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> beat the jenkins maintainer into updating 11:12:24 <andythenorth> heâs busy 11:13:08 * andythenorth crosses fingers about this push 11:13:20 <andythenorth> wfm 11:16:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, installing packages not found in the repositories is rather a no-no for servers 11:18:19 <andythenorth> there are âstandardâ deployment techniques to do it in an isolated way for python projects 11:18:21 <andythenorth> but yeah 11:18:31 <andythenorth> also the build worked 11:18:34 <andythenorth> so there we go 11:18:39 * andythenorth bbl 11:18:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:20:52 *** tobias_ [~tobias@p200300544E3D6F253C126055DBA335F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:34 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:54 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:54 * andythenorth has an ever-growing collection of virtualenvs for newgrfs :| 12:11:28 * andythenorth has increasingly actual knowledge about python :| 12:12:27 <V453000> asdf 12:12:39 * V453000 lost his brain to a game Factorio 12:13:34 <andythenorth> uh oh 12:13:53 <V453000> it is like minecraft openttd but a lot better than minecraft 12:14:25 <andythenorth> Iâve seen it 12:14:27 <andythenorth> havenât played it 12:14:30 * andythenorth misses 2048 12:14:52 * Eddi|zuHause does not miss 2048 at all 12:15:38 * andythenorth goes back to newgrf 12:15:48 * V453000 too 12:15:49 <andythenorth> eh, should I convert Squid next? o_O 12:23:35 <V453000> "convert" = ? 12:23:45 <V453000> juzz code generation stuf? 12:32:10 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest22 12:32:15 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:37 *** samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-155-33.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 12:32:44 <samu> hi 12:34:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DBBB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:37:48 *** Guest22 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:05 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 12:40:17 <andythenorth> juzz code gener8n stuf 12:41:34 <V453000> :) 12:50:34 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:38 <Celestar> how can you 'miss' 2048? 12:51:51 <andythenorth> I was mistaken 12:52:12 <andythenorth> :P 12:52:16 <andythenorth> hmm 12:52:26 <andythenorth> the 5 year old is playing a 4096x4096 map 12:52:31 <andythenorth> it chugs a bit 12:52:57 <andythenorth> he is complaining that his buses donât make money, and took a *really* long time to build 12:53:00 <planetmaker> hihi :) so small a human, so big a map, so huge the lag ;) 12:53:03 <andythenorth> because theyâre travelling about 1k tiles 12:53:18 <andythenorth> so they only make money every 2nd year :P 12:53:56 <andythenorth> half the âproblemsâ of openttd are problems of excessive map sizes, or some other dimension that has grown too large 12:54:08 <andythenorth> 'moar' not always better 12:54:43 <Celestar> :P 12:55:41 <andythenorth> âI need complex ways to sort vehicle groupsâ -> too many trains 12:56:08 <andythenorth> âGame runs slowâ -> too many vehicles / map too big 12:56:10 <supermop> new tram running tonight 12:56:14 <supermop> 6018 12:56:28 <andythenorth> Daylength, prime example of some stupidity with wanting to change dimensions 12:56:33 <Celestar> explain? 12:57:00 <andythenorth> all these dumb daylength patches 12:57:23 <andythenorth> which are never ever ever going to work 12:58:55 <andythenorth> which solves the âproblemâ that newgrfs have too many engines 12:59:06 <andythenorth> so people donât get to see enough of each engine before thereâs a new one 12:59:10 <andythenorth> stupidest thing ever in openttd 13:02:24 <supermop> night 13:04:21 <Celestar> you mean engines coming at too high a frequency? 13:05:27 <planetmaker> basically they do, yes. And often there's only one "good" engine at a given time. But time flies too fast to even order an autoreplace 13:06:27 <V453000> idk about that, most train sets have one best vehicle for like 40 years 13:06:54 <V453000> but yeah, a parameter for introduction date scaling would make a lot more sense than time scaling 13:07:04 <V453000> s/parameter/setting 13:07:53 <andythenorth> so then they want daylength, but then industry production breaks, and costs need rescaled, and speed is wrong and blearch 13:08:02 <andythenorth> the whole game gets broken to âsolveâ a non-problem 13:08:19 <andythenorth> http://www.poppyfields.net/poppy/songs/oldwoman.html 13:08:57 <andythenorth> it could be solved by capping the number of newgrf engines at 48 :P 13:09:45 <andythenorth> hmm, why does the original game have *so* many crap planes, all variations on âDarwin x00'? 13:09:48 <V453000> I dont think such a limit would do much 13:09:51 <andythenorth> did they have a deal with Airbus? 13:09:56 <V453000> xd 13:10:05 <andythenorth> Airbus are about 3 miles from where Microprose office was 13:10:26 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-170-165.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't the darwins boeings? 13:12:20 <andythenorth> dunno 13:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> darwin 400 being boeing 747 13:13:00 <andythenorth> another theory bites the dust :P 13:17:41 <V453000> first bridge coded =D 13:17:43 <V453000> lets see the shit 13:26:51 * andythenorth converted Squid to python3 13:26:56 <andythenorth> see if bundles eats it 13:28:19 <andythenorth> yay 13:29:26 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 13:30:27 <andythenorth> now I just need to placate pyflakes 13:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "bundles ate my newgrf" is that a new song in the openmsx soundtrack? 13:31:26 <andythenorth> should be 13:34:22 <planetmaker> I hope not 13:37:23 <V453000> it eats everything 13:41:52 <andythenorth> Squid build is 8s 13:41:55 <andythenorth> not bad eh 13:42:11 <V453000> holy shitballs 13:42:25 <V453000> I think some sprite IDs are messed up in the ogfx spritesheet 13:42:28 <V453000> /investigation 13:45:01 <V453000> aaand nope 13:45:02 <V453000> xD 13:45:09 <V453000> now to find hte issue 13:46:49 <planetmaker> V453000, maybe the template used in ogfx is not linear in referencing them? 13:47:10 <V453000> idk but the sprite sheet is just fine :) 13:47:14 <V453000> my stuff is just wrong somewhere 13:47:15 <V453000> somehow 13:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> # irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann 13:48:46 <planetmaker> omg, Eddi|zuHause ! 13:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 13:49:24 <V453000> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfffffffffffffffffffffff 13:49:27 <planetmaker> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oas5nAlfrwg <-- for everyone to share in the horror ;) 13:49:40 <V453000> for some reason all of my sprites are moved by 1 in the sheet XD just cant find why so far 13:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a cover by jan delay or so... 13:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIgQovuYiR8 13:50:08 <planetmaker> I don't know the cover probably 13:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> when was that? the late 90s? 13:53:09 <planetmaker> nena? 1984 13:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the cover 13:53:26 <planetmaker> no clue 13:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "In 1999 Jan Delay with Denyo and Beginner covered this song for the compilation album Das gibt's nur einmal of the TV project Pop 2000 by ARD and Viva." 13:55:22 <planetmaker> I heard the original in radio when it was new ;) 13:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i did not :=) 13:58:37 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.31.159.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 13:58:53 <planetmaker> damn, now I need to listen through my NdW collection :P 13:59:05 <V453000> ok my models were just swapped rotations ._. 14:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't listen to a lot of radio in the '80s. 14:02:03 <planetmaker> nor did I... but well, it was a hit back then. no way around it 14:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever we made vacation close to the border, my father listened to Bayern 1, which features more traditional bavarian music than the generic pop/schlager music of Bayern 3 14:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and this song basically escaped my radar until the jan delay version made it popular again 14:07:03 <andythenorth> bbl 14:07:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:07:19 <V453000> offsets are just pure evil. 14:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> today's earworm presented by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcV7VN3l3bY 14:17:30 <V453000> wtf. 14:19:20 <V453000> why even have offsets, we could just have a dedicated slave whom you could just throw pictures at, and they would align it for you 14:19:27 <V453000> I democratically nominate andythenorth 14:19:39 <V453000> oh he gone 14:19:41 <V453000> :( 14:20:38 * Eddi|zuHause just imagines a 'may the volunteer step forward'-*everyone except one person steps back* scene 14:21:01 <V453000> xd 14:21:05 <planetmaker> :D 14:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: but why are offsets a problem when you render? you can easily calculate the anchor point from the original coordinates 14:34:03 <V453000> I am not so sure about that 14:34:11 <V453000> the bridges have so many different wtfs 14:34:32 <V453000> but yeah somehow you could I guess 14:34:56 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:35:01 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:35:16 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 14:35:16 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 28 minutes and 12 seconds ago: <andythenorth> bbl 14:35:26 <DanMacK> Of course... lol 14:39:41 <planetmaker> o/ 14:40:58 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d08f460.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:36 <Celestar> heya pm :) 14:47:52 <V453000> ok why the fuck are bridge overlays different by 192 horizontal offset, just between the rotations . _ . 14:47:54 <planetmaker> hey Celestar :) started to lurk around here again, eh? 14:48:01 <V453000> rendered to be at the same spot, just different rotation 14:48:04 <Celestar> actively, yeah :P 14:48:19 <Celestar> how ya been? 14:51:30 *** Aholm [~oftc-webi@x1-6-c4-3d-c7-39-52-dd.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:52:02 <Aholm> i cant find my freind in lan networking? any idea? 14:52:24 <samu> firewall? 14:52:38 <__ln___> an imaginary friend? 14:53:04 <Aholm> he got mac - i got windows? is that a problem? 14:53:24 <__ln___> it's not a problem. 14:53:29 <samu> i have no idea 14:53:33 <ST2> try add server manually: LAN IP:port 14:54:03 <ST2> maybe not being advertised (but I have no clue either xD) 14:54:56 <samu> today I am writing down my price scheme 14:55:00 <samu> cus i keep forgetting 14:55:02 <samu> lol 14:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: the anchor point must rotate with the object 14:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: the anchor point is (almost always) the back (invisible) corner of the bounding box 14:56:07 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 14:56:32 <V453000> hmm 14:57:28 *** Aholm [~oftc-webi@x1-6-c4-3d-c7-39-52-dd.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:05 <samu> does the game allow building a lock where the upper tile is a canal owned by a competitor? 15:00:16 <samu> bah i will check it out 15:00:17 <samu> brb 15:00:56 <planetmaker> Celestar, quite fine here. How's been your time? 15:01:08 <Celestar> well the past week I was sick in bed :P 15:01:27 <Celestar> but that was probably the result of a 40 degree drop in temperature plus 11 hours jetlag :/ 15:12:04 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:13:11 <samu> i found a bug 15:13:36 <samu> upper tile and lower tile owners with land area information is misleading 15:16:25 <samu> if the canals are owned by someone else, but the lock is mine, when i retrieve land area information on upper and lower tiles brings up that it is a lock, but it is owned by someone else 15:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: if the town built the road, person A built the road stop, and person B built the tram rails, how does that look in tile info? 15:29:11 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:30:03 <planetmaker> Celestar, where've you been? wizard of oz? 15:30:23 <samu> gonna check, brb 15:31:01 <samu> what's a tram? a newgrf? what is it 15:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause> tram is rails on the road. 15:33:01 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/RAWR/BridgePylonWtf.png 15:33:03 <V453000> 2 questions 15:33:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can only build trams when you have a newgrf providing them 15:33:13 <V453000> 1. wtf is up with the pylons in the / direction 15:33:27 <samu> Generic Tram Set? 15:33:32 <V453000> 2. in the \ direction, why doesnt top pylon show over the bridge head :( 15:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause> / direction -> wrong offsets 15:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause> \ direction -> wrong bounding box? 15:34:55 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 15:35:01 <planetmaker> what Eddi says, most likely 15:35:09 <V453000> / -> sure but all of them have the same offset, it is just one sprite of double pillar, not one 15:35:24 <planetmaker> or also wrong bounding box in the / case 15:36:16 <planetmaker> not sure actually that you can force successfully (much) different size than default pylons, V453000. If it's double pylon it's twice the width already 15:36:36 <planetmaker> pylons are a big bitch and hack iirc :P 15:37:11 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/RAWR/BridgePylonWtf_BB.png 15:37:13 <V453000> so like 15:37:23 <V453000> move the image, change offset? 15:37:25 <samu> land area information: bus station 15:37:28 <V453000> or is that even relevant? 15:37:37 <samu> owner: brimfield transport 15:37:46 <samu> road owner: brimfield 15:37:56 <samu> tramway owner: brimfield transport 15:38:09 <samu> wow 15:38:11 <Celestar> planetmaker: the last 3 months I've been on a journey 15:38:16 <V453000> hm 15:38:25 <planetmaker> V453000, it shows that the pylons are not covered by their bounding box really 15:38:25 <V453000> with zbase exactly the same bullshit happens 15:38:28 <V453000> in both places 15:38:45 <planetmaker> zbase no-one went to the trouble to properly check bounding boxes for lot of things :S 15:38:45 <V453000> in zbase it is even worse in fact 15:39:00 <V453000> well then 15:39:06 <V453000> what can I possibly do to improve it? 15:39:06 <samu> there can be many owners, woo 15:39:10 <planetmaker> Celestar, sounds fun? Business or your own free time? 15:39:15 <Celestar> own time 15:39:21 <planetmaker> sweet :) 15:39:23 <Celestar> about 60000km in total 15:41:12 <Celestar> yeah, should have done this sooner. and more often :P 15:45:03 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 15:48:19 <V453000> any ideas :( 15:48:30 <V453000> I dont understand why does it work in original grafix XD 15:48:42 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:25 <V453000> guess I could try to replicate the x1 sprite as much as I can 16:00:27 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:00:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:01:40 <Alberth> moin 16:02:59 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:08:19 <roidal> o/ 16:08:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1930C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:51 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:11:24 <planetmaker> \o 16:17:15 <samu> wow 16:17:18 <samu> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=23B29F3DE45F6F1F!735&authkey=!AOyJ2Xv4bquYb9M&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng 16:17:30 <samu> now i see how complex it is 16:17:37 <samu> i had this on my brain 16:19:27 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:20:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:22 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:24:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:15 <samu> i can see this clearer 16:25:48 <samu> better do this for canal too 16:26:36 <roidal> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Station_rating â is this table complete? 16:28:02 <roidal> because i have stations where everytime a train is loading, but stationrating never goes over 75% 16:33:08 <roidal> oh...hm... 16:37:46 <samu> gosh, these schemes are complicated after all 16:38:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:45 <samu> build a canal on a canal with no owner that was built on a river -> costs 0, maintenance costs 1 and canal becomes yours 16:40:15 <samu> or maybe i just forbid building in there 16:40:30 <samu> what is preferible 16:41:20 <samu> already built error 16:41:31 <samu> or make the canal become yours? 16:42:12 <samu> if I think of a canal piece as a road piece 16:42:32 <samu> already built error goes in tandem with the rest of the game 16:45:21 <samu> better simplify this 16:46:46 <samu> build canal on a canal with no owner that was built on a river -> costs 0, maintenance 0 (because it's river) 16:46:57 <samu> damn i was falling on my own mistake 17:00:49 <Terkhen> hello 17:01:17 <planetmaker> hi hi 17:05:43 <andythenorth> lo 17:06:04 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so eh, you can defer touching python 3.4 for period [t] 17:06:10 <andythenorth> where t is up to you 17:06:19 <andythenorth> unless I run into a python 3.2 bug :P 17:07:24 <Alberth> specifically one fixed in 3.4 :p 17:08:05 <andythenorth> yeah :P 17:08:23 <andythenorth> btw, one of you might want to call pyflakes on nml src? 17:08:24 <andythenorth> :P 17:08:44 <Alberth> would scare all of us away :p 17:09:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:10:55 *** bitfreak [~bitfreak@p4FCCA0D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:34 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pkvewouat <-- not that bad 17:26:12 <andythenorth> unused imports are meh 17:26:21 <andythenorth> only one syntax error and one undefined var 17:26:55 <andythenorth> the imports in nml/expression__init__.py 17:27:02 <andythenorth> are they just to register them in the module? 17:27:22 <andythenorth> module / package /s 17:27:26 <andythenorth> it slightly irks me that that thereâs no way to tell pyflakes to shut up sometimes 17:27:55 <andythenorth> I donât fancy calling .main() or .register() on every module in a package, even if explicit is better :P 17:28:10 <Eddi|zuHause> comment.py? is that from me? 17:28:38 <samu> i'm getting into trouble 17:29:23 <samu> construction methodology differs per object 17:30:06 <samu> it's like I'm playing the same game but done by 2 different ppl 17:30:19 <planetmaker> probably, Eddi|zuHause. It's not in the manifest 17:30:37 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I think the answer to your question is 'yes' 17:30:50 <samu> what were the plans you guys had for water construction? 17:31:19 <planetmaker> I didn't have any plan there, samu ;) 17:31:29 <planetmaker> other than build and enjoy 17:31:32 <samu> i try to explain 17:31:52 <samu> building a lock methodology is very different than building a ship depot or a dock 17:31:55 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but in my version of nml, comment.py:38 contains "self.text" 17:32:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, probably ancient 17:32:22 <samu> for example, building a ship depot only needs water 17:33:04 <samu> building a lock, creates water instead of giving an error 17:33:22 <samu> building ship depot on land doesn't create water 17:33:30 <samu> these two different methodologies 17:33:34 <samu> conflict 17:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eddi-nml/repository/revisions/b8517179317d/diff/nml/ast/comment.py 17:33:58 <planetmaker> not really. a ship lock is the sloped water you can build, samu 17:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "vor fast 2 Jahren hinzugefÃŒgt" 17:34:21 <planetmaker> samu: thus it's the same as placing a piece of canal - it creates water 17:34:32 <samu> it creates water for the slope 17:34:38 <planetmaker> exactly. My point 17:34:41 <samu> but, what about the other 2 tiles? 17:34:58 <planetmaker> it creates it htere, too, if needed 17:35:17 <samu> that's where I see a divergence 17:36:19 <samu> i'd prefer to "unify" the methodology, dunno the technical term 17:36:40 <planetmaker> I don't see there any need for any unification, samu. It all works along the same lines 17:37:08 <planetmaker> horizontal water ways and sloped water ways (=locks) create water. Building depots needs it 17:37:11 <samu> it will, but creates quite some mess for counting maintenance 17:37:57 <samu> a code mess 17:38:10 <planetmaker> worse than a user-experienced mess 17:38:13 <planetmaker> err.. better 17:39:38 <samu> i'm getting myself into a big mess 17:39:48 <samu> only because I want to structurize the pricing 17:40:33 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eddi-nml/repository/diff/nml/ast/comment.py?utf8=%E2%9C%93&rev=205b713768f3&rev_to=7702311bc344 17:41:02 <planetmaker> anyway... dinner | me 17:41:06 <samu> :) 17:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes, the other change was python3-related, i think 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27155 trunk/src/lang/traditional_chinese.txt (2015-02-19 17:45:41 UTC) 17:45:49 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:50 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 1 changes by siu238X 17:46:45 <samu> where are docks? 17:46:48 <samu> some other file? 17:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "Gegenseite: Tag found. Building 0.4.0" <-- that sounds useless 17:49:32 * andythenorth wonders why Squid compiles so obscenely fast 17:49:37 <roidal> hm 17:49:41 <andythenorth> both chameleon and nml steps 17:49:45 <roidal> openttd+python channel? :D 17:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: probably missing some essential part :p 17:50:01 <andythenorth> whereas Road Hog is slower, and Iron Horse isâŠlike a crippled mule 17:51:37 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:54:46 <andythenorth> 25 ships compiles in about 10s with no multiprocessing trickery 17:55:00 <andythenorth> 116 trains takes about 90s 17:55:05 <andythenorth> with trickery 17:55:13 <andythenorth> hmm, but articulated consists 17:55:21 <Alberth> track types 17:55:30 <andythenorth> graphics support 17:55:32 <andythenorth> depot sprites 17:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> how do articulated consists matter? 17:55:52 <Alberth> more 'trains' :) 17:56:00 <andythenorth> because 116 trains are at minimum 348 item blocks and switch chains 17:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so there is your factor 9 17:56:16 <andythenorth> and every train with a tender etc adds at least 3 more 17:56:38 <andythenorth> no hiding from volume of data :| 17:56:57 <Alberth> make all values 1 :) 17:57:06 * andythenorth wonders if all articulated parts can be the same part 17:57:17 <andythenorth> think I tried that, it hasâŠconceptual and practical problems 17:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i reuse tenders where possible 17:58:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> "possible" meaning "they have virtually same properties" 17:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> [and looks] 17:58:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f746a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:48 <Alberth> o/ 18:00:23 *** bitfreak [~bitfreak@p4FCCA0D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:02:03 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:07:34 <frosch123> hola 18:11:21 <samu> hmm a dock counts to station maintenance, but not to canal 18:11:39 <samu> hi 18:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> why would it? 18:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> either you built it on a canal, then the canal counts for maintenance already 18:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> or you built it on sea, then why would you pay maintenance for the sea? 18:19:03 *** chillcore [~chillcore@91.182.36.19] has joined #openttd 18:19:10 <Alberth> hi hi 18:19:27 <chillcore> hello all 18:19:45 <chillcore> and hello Alberth 18:20:00 <Alberth> :o I am not part of all? :) 18:20:28 <andythenorth> for autocomplete purposes, no 18:20:33 <chillcore> Maybe I am overlooking something and if not just throwing it outhere ... 18:20:43 <andythenorth> throw harder 18:21:46 <chillcore> I do not see an obvious way to reset all saved gui coordinates to 0 ... ingame I mean. I noticed when moving the running copy from one screen to another 18:22:32 <chillcore> sure you are part of all Alberth, your case just threw an exception ;) 18:23:10 <Alberth> throw new MePartOfAllException(); :p 18:23:33 <Alberth> sorry, too much java :p 18:23:51 <chillcore> hihi 18:25:33 <chillcore> I think I gt rid of all my magic nrs and the fugly hack too 18:25:43 <Alberth> nice 18:26:08 <chillcore> if statements are stll there though ... 18:27:44 <chillcore> one thing I am not sure about ... when clicking back in the scenario editor... it takes you back to main screen 18:28:04 <chillcore> but you do not always come from there 18:28:54 <Alberth> hmm, titlegame by 22th, would that be feasible? 18:29:36 <andythenorth> why doesnât java have âold SomeClass();â 18:29:42 <andythenorth> for reuse :P 18:31:02 <Alberth> use the Keeper pattern :p 18:32:04 <Alberth> could be fun, get a random instance of a class :p 18:32:24 <chillcore> I have some example code in my patchpack andy ... feel free to browse XD 18:38:45 <samu> noticed another inconsistency 18:39:13 <samu> i can build locks on tiles owned by competitors 18:39:18 <samu> but not dock or ship depot 18:40:14 <andythenorth> locks are non-blocking 18:40:16 <andythenorth> usually 18:40:31 <andythenorth> not sure about depot 18:41:29 <samu> one other 18:41:52 <samu> building a lock on a canal tile with no owner (due to bankrupt) 18:42:01 <samu> will not force that canal to become yours 18:42:15 <samu> but in case of dock and ship depot, those canals do become yours 18:43:20 <samu> i need to base my prices on consistency 18:43:33 <samu> else I dunno how to price things 18:46:06 <Alberth> throw a dice :p 18:48:39 <samu> okay 18:49:31 <samu> i would prefer canals with no owner to still have no owner, instead of forcing them to become yours 18:49:49 <samu> that would mean, have to edit dock and ship depot code 18:49:52 <samu> :( 18:49:59 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 <samu> but what about you 18:50:38 <samu> main devs 18:51:37 <Alberth> we do what is conceptually the right solution, usually 18:51:45 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:51:59 <Alberth> time doesn't mean a lot in an unpaid project 18:53:47 <andythenorth> or we argue endlessly about an issue ;) 18:53:50 <andythenorth> with no progress 18:54:19 <andythenorth> fortunately RoadTypes would add nothing to gameplay anyway 18:57:20 <chillcore> they should ... on dirt road you should lose 7.35% of your patatos every 100 tiles. :P 18:57:34 <chillcore> on sundays that is ... 18:58:00 <andythenorth> depends on what tyres you have 18:58:07 <andythenorth> and if itâs ârainingâ 18:58:14 * andythenorth invents âweatherâ in openttd 18:58:19 <chillcore> hmm good point 18:58:23 <andythenorth> you canât see it, but it has hidden effects on gameplay 18:58:27 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:30 <andythenorth> newgrfs can access it 18:58:32 <andythenorth> hmm 18:58:45 <andythenorth> in autumn, trains should accelerate and brake more slowly 18:58:46 <chillcore> *me assigns night and day to someone 18:58:47 <andythenorth> due to leaves 19:04:33 <samu> must look at what happens with bus stops 19:10:29 <samu> okay bus stops on roads with no owner won't force the road to become yours 19:10:59 <samu> 2 vs 2 19:11:04 <samu> nice tie 19:12:53 <samu> now checking when a road belongs to local authority 19:14:30 <samu> road still belongs to local authority 19:14:35 <samu> after bankrupt 19:15:40 <samu> maintenance counting, let me check 19:18:17 <samu> woah, whoever worked on roads must have had a hell of a job 19:20:23 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3051.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:21:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:42 <Wolf01> hi hi 19:23:10 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:26:45 <chillcore> hehe samu ... 19:27:32 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:44 <chillcore> hint samu ... it is local authority not local ownership ;) 19:28:51 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa7-102.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:31:26 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 19:36:43 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:32 <samu> this is going to be handy 19:41:34 <samu> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=23B29F3DE45F6F1F!727&authkey=!AGBG83CxA0fiT8A&ithint=file%2cxlsx 19:48:16 <samu> 5000 is such a huge number 19:49:14 <samu> haven't figured out a base price for a water piece 19:49:22 <samu> canal piece 19:50:29 <samu> but as you see, in my vision, i intend it to be taken into account 19:50:42 <samu> for different parts of infra stuff 19:50:48 <samu> objects 19:50:51 <samu> whatever it's called 19:51:52 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:54:09 <samu> i could perhaps simplify this again 19:54:34 <samu> if i am to follow the same logic that roads do 19:57:35 <samu> and i am back to the same dilema 19:58:03 <samu> okay I need to ask this 19:58:16 <samu> what plans do you have for rivers? 19:58:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:51 <samu> can i have a secondary price for building canals on river tiles? 19:59:21 <samu> but which aren't based on the price of canal? is it possible to create one more base price? 19:59:51 <samu> otherwise, it will cost 0 20:00:18 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, you can add base prices 20:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you can look at the revision history of the file to see how it's done 20:01:40 <samu> what happens when i build a canal on a river tile? what would happen if it costs 0? 20:01:49 <samu> does it say already built? 20:03:01 <samu> can I, for instance, force the game not to build based on the cost being 0? 20:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you need to return an error if you want it not built. 0 cost is just costing nothing 20:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also have negative costs, then you get money back 20:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause> (e.g. removing rails does this) 20:05:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:55 <samu> hmm, can i do math operations on the base price? 20:06:35 <samu> like, base_canal/2 20:06:48 <samu> if the base is 5000, then building on river costs 2500? 20:07:26 <samu> that would avoid creating a whole new base price 20:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> sure 20:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's less clean 20:08:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:17 <samu> okay, thanks, i'll look at the possibilities 20:09:36 *** zeknurn 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Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE4541E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:22:29 <glx> there should be a comment near DC_AUTO declaration 21:22:55 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 21:24:52 <samu> Update infrastructure counts after the unconditional clear earlier. 21:25:09 <samu> what do they mean unconditional clear 21:25:29 <Eddi|zuHause> shoot first, ask qestions later. 21:26:44 <samu> so basically, i want the game not to clear water or river or canal or sea 21:26:52 <samu> just don't clear 21:27:14 <samu> confused 21:27:30 <samu> why is there a clear command here 21:28:36 <samu> it's water! 21:32:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> clear turns water into dirt 21:33:59 <samu> hmm why is it there then 21:34:36 <samu> CommandCost CmdBuildShipDepot(TileIndex tile, DoCommandFlag flags, uint32 p1, uint32 p2, const char *text) 21:34:44 <samu> i'm mid way into this block 21:35:50 <samu> CommandCost cost = CommandCost(EXPENSES_CONSTRUCTION, _price[PR_BUILD_DEPOT_SHIP]); 21:35:55 <samu> after this 21:44:03 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:a5e6:a7ff:fbea:e77f] has quit [Quit: .] 21:47:32 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE4541E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:52:08 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:58:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> how should i know? 22:26:16 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3051.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:26:33 *** l4urenz [~l4urenz@D97B5AAC.cm-3-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:30:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f746a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:40:09 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 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[~oftc-webi@po-217-129-155-33.netvisao.pt] has quit [] 23:54:05 <samu> i have a question 23:54:38 <samu> how do i build a ship depot that maintains the owner of canals? 23:56:16 <samu> i want to do it much like a bus stop 23:56:33 <samu> a drive-through 23:56:55 <samu> but for ships 23:57:03 <samu> and without turning it into a station