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00:27:51 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:50 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:57 <chillcore> going to try and get some sleep. 00:29:07 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 00:29:11 <chillcore> good night 00:29:18 *** chillcore [~chillcore@91.182.36.19] has quit [Quit: Only mortals are affected by fame and power.] 00:58:10 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d086c26.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:19 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:27:59 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has joined #openttd 01:36:39 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:38:29 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC664CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:43:07 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:48 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:36 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has joined #openttd 02:01:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD581A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:08:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC664CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 02:46:41 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:52 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has joined #openttd 02:54:42 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6D141.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:03:00 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has joined #openttd 03:08:59 <Pikkaphone> How's trams, supermop? 03:15:51 <supermop> good! 03:16:00 <supermop> more rendered 03:16:28 <supermop> more pllaying around to figure out how to produce consistent renders and then get sprites from 03:17:47 <supermop> was out taking pictures of bluestone cobblestone this morning 03:19:39 <supermop> hows your stuff coming? 03:19:51 <supermop> more pineapples? 03:30:55 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@blfd-d9bf29c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:32:28 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:33 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:31 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:37:52 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d086c26.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:34 <Sonny_Jim> Does moving mail around a town help it to grow quicker? 03:40:49 <supermop> i think so 03:45:22 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has joined #openttd 03:45:38 <Pikkaphone> pineapple houses are next I think. :) 03:46:09 <Pikkaphone> going to try and get a blog post up this weekend 03:48:00 <Pikkaphone> Sonny_Jim: having any well serviced stations in a town makes it grow. pax mail or freight, makes no difference. :) 03:50:03 <Sonny_Jim> And they grow equally on all sides? What if one side is hemmed in by a station, does that stop it growing? 03:53:10 <Pikkaphone> if it can't build a road across then obviously it can't keep going. But yes, barring any newgrf town set magic (and thanks for the idea!) they should grow evenly. 03:53:34 <Pikkaphone> if it can't grow one way it'll grow another 03:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Sonny_Jim: dead end roads reduce the town growth. try to have as many bridges across your rails as possible and remove dead ends 04:00:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikkaphone: i'd leave affecting town growth to the game scripts 04:01:11 <Pikkaphone> good job I'm not you, then. ;) 04:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that would suck indeed. nothing would ever get done :p 04:01:51 <Sonny_Jim> Cool, thanks 04:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Sonny_Jim: note that this works better with the "better roads" layout. grids, while having overall better growth, will just rebuild the dead ends at all costs 04:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and original is just terrible... 04:05:31 <supermop> i wish the grids could be of arbitrary size 04:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a trivial patch 04:13:20 <supermop> a non square rectangle would be nice, and blocks that are 4 tiles deep instead of 2 or 3 would let me abuse 2x1 and 2x2 houses 04:14:24 <supermop> I was thinking about trams yesterday while riding one downtown and over some shunting points - 04:14:55 <supermop> i feel i have a completely different set of interest in this game than most people 04:17:05 <supermop> i feel like i would love just planning the minutia of things like what tracks get junctions where, how to design platforms at a station, where to place layup shunts for trams or trains to turn around in, 04:18:21 <supermop> i often build terminal stations with a yard just before, and timetable trains to enter at one platform, leave empty to go wait in the yard for a while, then go back to load up on passengers and start a new run 04:18:43 <supermop> for no reason, other thaan for some reason i like scheduling them to do stuff like that 04:19:23 <supermop> stuff that seems to be the textbook example of way too boring to be in a game 04:21:43 <supermop> and i often find myself wondering if a station I am building should have an overpass for passengers or an underpass 04:27:59 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.158.49.233] has quit [Quit: â â â â â â ⠺⠺⠺⠲â â â â â â â ²â â â â â â â â â â â â œâ â â â â ºâ â â â â â â â â â â â ¢â â ] 04:30:53 <supermop> Pikkaphone: should i make spreadsheet for trams? 04:44:11 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-139-188.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:08:13 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-71-185-189-198.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:13 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:19:15 <Pikkaphone> supermop : if you want. I started one for the couple I coded so far. 05:28:03 <supermop> how do you specify the space to leave between vehicle segments? should i make transparent fake vehicles for those parts? 05:31:21 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:34:34 *** FreeZeee [FreeZeee@ipv6.libra.panicbnc.net] has quit [Quit: PanicBNC - http://PanicBNC.net] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD581A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:17:28 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:23:27 *** Extrems2 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:24:36 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:09 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59:37 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:13 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-72-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:07:56 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:56 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:48 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 08:08:34 *** shadowalkerAFK is now known as shadowalker 08:13:52 *** Celestar [~Celestar@firebeta9.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:57:54 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 <Pikkaphone> supermop - space between vehicles? How do you mean? I can easily code up invisible spacers if required (like at the ends of the As) 09:13:27 <V453000> yoyo 09:25:58 <planetmaker> moin moin 09:34:54 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:52 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:50:32 * V453000 has decided to make 9-part articulated unit trains instead of 10 units 09:50:38 <V453000> having 1 center units sounds like a good idea 09:51:17 <supermop> Pikkaphone: i've been just drawing boxes for the size of the hard parts of the tram vehicles, leaving the bellows part 'blank' 09:51:59 <supermop> so i have the boxes to reference when drawing the real parts 09:59:56 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:26 <supermop> i wonder if 2015 is too late for drop crotch pants 10:31:52 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 10:32:08 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 10:41:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 10:41:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 10:50:06 <V453000> could be good if you drop shit in them 10:55:19 <supermop> too late to dress like circa 2011 kanye all the time 10:57:41 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-170-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:02:16 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-139-188.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:29 <Celestar> bah drop crotch 11:05:08 <Sacro> morning Celestar 11:11:42 <supermop> people still wearing them in melbourne 11:12:40 <V453000> some here too dont worry bout it 11:13:24 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 11:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood the point of those... 11:17:18 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:19:03 <V453000> hm can I be using the same template for x1 8bpp and 32bpp with recolour mask? 11:19:04 <V453000> vehicles now 11:19:22 <V453000> like, can spriteset () have the same template as alternative_sprites that way? :d 11:22:00 <planetmaker> V453000, no, as the 32bpp needs the mask which the 8bpp one doesn't 11:22:05 <V453000> yeah 11:22:09 <V453000> that is what I thought 11:22:10 <V453000> thanks 11:22:18 <planetmaker> you might use nested templates, though 11:22:24 <V453000> NESTING 11:22:26 <planetmaker> but not sure they're really that helpful 11:22:39 <planetmaker> depends on how and what :) 11:22:41 <V453000> ok fuck it I will just use 3 various templates 11:22:51 <V453000> not that big deal 11:23:00 <V453000> / except it is times 9 XD 11:31:20 <planetmaker> :) 11:34:23 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:40:47 *** chillcore [~chillcore@91.182.36.19] has joined #openttd 11:41:15 <chillcore> hello all 11:41:20 <planetmaker> o/ 11:41:25 <V453000> hy 11:50:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:05:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 12:06:42 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:14:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:45 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest6 12:31:51 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:36 *** Guest6 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:43 *** FreeZeee [FreeZeee@ipv6.libra.panicbnc.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:13:32 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:34 *** V453000 is now known as AssThunder 13:49:47 *** AssThunder is now known as TurdBowler 13:50:00 *** TurdBowler is now known as V453000 13:56:04 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 14:06:52 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:13:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:37 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-160-117.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:24:41 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-170-165.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:10 <V453000> purchase sprites also have ZOOM_LEVEL_NORMAL, IN_X1 and IN_X4? 14:25:12 <V453000> or just normal? 14:25:26 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:e112:c7dd:a41c:4f2e] has left #openttd [.] 14:26:52 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 14:29:51 <planetmaker> they can have also 1x,2x,4x 14:29:56 <planetmaker> and 8bpp/32bpp 14:30:19 <planetmaker> there's GUI zoom, you know :) 14:30:42 <V453000> right 14:30:45 <V453000> jesus fuck xd 14:30:49 <V453000> so I guess I just provide NORMAL 14:31:08 <V453000> which are already a bit bigger 14:31:14 <planetmaker> why? 14:31:38 <V453000> I like what pikka does with pineapples 14:31:40 <V453000> big imuges 14:32:03 <planetmaker> but he did so when there was no GUI zoom yet. 14:32:07 <planetmaker> it's not nice to break that 14:32:25 <planetmaker> it's the same shit as zbase offering totally off-scale gui 14:32:39 <V453000> sure but when you set gui zoom to x2, everything enlarges 14:32:47 <V453000> with this the size stays 14:33:04 <planetmaker> and it totally breaks that feature of gui zoom 14:33:41 <V453000> ok so does it basically mean I have to provide x1 x2 and x4 or just x1 and x4 is nuff 14:33:56 <V453000> I guess x2 isnt a huge issue 14:33:59 <planetmaker> thus all this shit of hackish-fix-within-newgrf-what-should-be-gui makes any reasonable change to that about even more nasty 14:34:02 *** shadowalker is now known as shadowalkerAFK 14:34:03 <V453000> for me to create that is 14:34:12 <V453000> no 14:34:17 <V453000> I mean 14:34:32 <V453000> to me, gui zoom x2 looks fugly on all levels 14:34:40 <V453000> but I would like only train purchase sprites bigger 14:34:42 <V453000> only those 14:34:48 <planetmaker> yes. But it's really, really bad to break the GUI sizes 14:35:10 <V453000> the gui was even made to adapt to purchase sprite size like last year? 14:35:11 <planetmaker> I also believe that the GUI 2x zoom is too much 14:35:14 <V453000> for bigger ships and shit? 14:35:35 <planetmaker> of course, GUI adopts to the sprite sizes, yes 14:36:07 <planetmaker> imho openttd needs a 1.5x zoom for gui 14:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wanted a bigger sprite in the details section of the purchase window 14:36:22 <planetmaker> and ^ is a good idea, too 14:36:27 <planetmaker> instead of huge ones in the list 14:36:32 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 14:36:41 <V453000> that cant be done from newgrf side at the moment can it 14:36:45 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, write a patch :) 14:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause> no 14:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and no :p 14:36:54 <planetmaker> neither can 14:36:54 <V453000> k 14:37:14 <V453000> so I will just provide x2-ish as normal zoom for now and see about it later 14:37:46 <planetmaker> bah :S that sucks. I hate 2x sprites in purchase lists. gives you no overview at all 14:38:18 <V453000> is why I say ish, might be 1.5 :P 14:38:50 <juzza1> redraw _everything_ at 1.5x is obviously the solution 14:40:04 <chillcore> hey hey hey, back off ... eddi is busy with regex already ... :P 14:40:44 <planetmaker> is he? 14:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, for about 5 years :p 14:41:50 <planetmaker> :P 14:41:57 <chillcore> ;) 15:07:06 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-160-117.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:14:49 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [] 15:17:47 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 15:18:22 <V453000> OH FUCK 15:18:33 <V453000> I just did a check for position_in_vehid_consist and didnt realize different articulated vehicles count as different units in that consist XD 15:19:39 <V453000> guess position in consist should work if I always have vehicles articulate same amount of units 15:21:26 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@blfd-d9bf29c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Yo.] 15:27:21 <Terkhen> hello 15:36:02 <Taede> heya 15:36:33 *** CosmicRay is now known as Guest19 15:41:46 *** Guest19 [~jgoerzen@0000fdc9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:45 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 15:46:16 <V453000> hmm guess I cant put variables into templates 15:46:17 <V453000> :( 15:48:19 <V453000> rest works great just some offsets now :D https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pstrtrxu4 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/DOOM/test1.png from sprites https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/DOOM/DOOM_0000.png 15:48:23 <V453000> concept works :D 15:49:22 <V453000> eh nevermind the offset mass-changing is pointless, I need to do it view by view anywya 15:49:23 <V453000> anyway 15:50:48 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:58:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:03 *** Celestar [~Celestar@firebeta9.tngtech.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:11:32 *** CosmicRay [~jgoerzen@0000fdc9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:34 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:24:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:46:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:46:34 <Alberth> o/ 16:48:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 16:48:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:54:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:40 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D141.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:21:33 *** chillcore [~chillcore@91.182.36.19] has quit [Quit: Only mortals are affected by fame and power.] 17:28:23 <Eddi|zuHause> RIP leonard nimoy :/ 17:30:21 <__ln___> :( 17:39:19 <Alberth> :( 17:42:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:55 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:51:10 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:57:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:43 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:09:51 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D9A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:22 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:12:14 *** NGC3982 [~kruger@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:12:26 *** NGC3982 [~kruger@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:30 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-154-197.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 18:13:33 <Samu> hi 18:16:07 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:16:08 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:31 <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pwhxeitqi#line-8 18:16:40 <Samu> this works, but it's overkill 18:18:21 <Samu> it isn't actually working 100% without introducing another problem, water maintenance counting is wrong 18:18:46 <Samu> but that's because this is not the right way to get the value from a bit to restore it later 18:19:01 <Samu> what is the correct way to use backup? 18:19:18 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 18:20:32 <Alberth> I have no idea what it does at all 18:22:46 <Samu> okay, i want to use backup to get the value of bit 4 of that current tile 18:22:54 <Samu> m1 bit 4 18:23:09 <Samu> then restore it right after the CMD LANDSCAPE_CLEAR 18:23:19 <Samu> and then proceed to MakeIndustry 18:23:25 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:23:27 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 18:24:07 <Samu> if i backup ownership 18:24:35 <Samu> it is also restoring canal maintenance for whoever company had a canal there, it's overkill 18:25:00 <glx> why not just store the owner before clear then pass it to makeindustry ? 18:25:32 <glx> you overcomplicate things I think 18:27:08 <Samu> hmm 18:27:52 <Samu> how do I store the owner? 18:27:57 <Samu> Backup<Owner? 18:28:16 <glx> Owner old_owner = GetTileOwner(tile) 18:28:40 <Samu> oh, i had trying a similar thing 18:28:57 <Samu> brb 18:29:39 <Samu> in this case it's cur_tile 18:29:43 <glx> (note that my code may be wrong, but the idea is there) 18:36:18 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.57] has joined #openttd 18:41:49 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:41:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:41:57 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:42:05 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:42:25 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:42:55 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:44:37 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@0001bead.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:44:53 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@0001bead.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:33 <Samu> it works :) 18:47:39 <Samu> much simpler even 18:50:04 <Samu> i think it is working, let me confirm https://paste.openttdcoop.org/plrxydqmr 18:50:51 <Alberth> the simplest solutions are the hardest to find :p 18:51:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:51:29 *** Leander_ [~Leander@132.147.88.78] has joined #openttd 18:51:32 <Leander_> hi 18:51:41 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:51:55 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:52:35 <Leander_> I've restarted playing openttd lately, and I'm quite enjoying 18:53:43 <Leander_> but (of course, there is a "but") there's a strange sound effect and I have no idea whether the game is trolling me or what 18:54:09 <Leander_> I regularly hear people singing "chaca chaca chaca chaca chaca choo chooooo" 18:55:11 <Leander_> it's really puzzling me and I have no idea where it comes from and why it is triggered 18:56:21 *** jA_cOp [~yakobu@2001:41d0:1:c5ab::1] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:56:48 *** jA_cOp [~yakobu@2001:41d0:1:c5ab::1] has joined #openttd 18:57:40 <Terkhen> toyland? some newgrf? 18:58:00 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:20 <Leander_> I don't think it's toyland, I checked all the wav files from opensfx 19:01:30 <Leander_> so any newgrf that I download can add sound effects? 19:01:33 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:01:41 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has joined #openttd 19:03:27 <Terkhen> well, I don't know what you are using 19:05:34 <Leander_> I have 8/32bpp trains 2cc, FIRS 1.3, Original vehicles cargo set, Vacuum Tube Train (Vactrain) Set, Vacuum Vehicle Wagon, eGRVTS 2.0 19:07:57 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:08:11 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:29 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:11:45 <Terkhen> neither of those looks as if it should be doing weird noises, I guess you will have to enable them separately to find which one is causing trouble 19:13:04 <Leander_> is there any tool to open a grf file and see what is inside? 19:14:01 <Terkhen> you can find the source of most of those NewGRFs in their project pages 19:15:47 <Terkhen> also https://wiki.openttd.org/NewGRF_development_tools 19:16:15 <Leander_> ok thanks, I'll try to find out where that comes from 19:17:25 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:18:48 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:14 <Leander_> okay, I just realised, it's every time I start a tramway 19:19:53 <Leander_> I usually do that in pause mode, and the effect only plays when I unpause the game 19:20:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d013a67.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:31 <V453000> can someone explain to me what justifies the 40/10? it _should_ be 35/10 :0 19:24:34 <V453000> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pstrtrxu4 19:25:06 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/DOOM/test1.png I am doing this 19:25:26 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/DOOM/DOOM_0000.png 19:25:54 <V453000> 9 articulated parts, the template automatically assigns offsets from the "part" parameter 19:26:49 <V453000> and since they are related from part 5 - the center, I am WTF why does part 1 decrease by 3,5, and part 9 by 4 19:28:21 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:28:32 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:09 <frosch123> V453000: what would justify 35/10 ? 19:31:33 <frosch123> and odd number divided by 10 is defintely weird 19:32:37 <Samu> there may be a bug with magic bulldozer for the changes I am doing 19:33:44 <Samu> if the industry dies of natural death, then it's working fine 19:34:04 <Samu> if it was magic bulldozed, then... :( 19:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: i don't understand what you're doing. each length unit is 4px*zoom in â direction, 2px/1px*zoom in / \ directions, and 2px in | direction 19:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> *zoom 19:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and 35/10 = 3 19:36:31 <Eddi|zuHause> not 3.5 19:36:56 <Samu> nevermind, there is no bug 19:37:01 <Eddi|zuHause> nml does integer maths, unless you force it 19:37:01 <Samu> magic bulldozer worked fine 19:37:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:15 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:40:51 <Alberth> moin 19:41:01 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:41:16 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:21 *** JGR [~JGR@host81-129-179-128.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:44:45 *** JGR [~JGR@host81-129-179-128.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:19 <V453000> OH 19:50:20 <V453000> hm 19:50:35 <V453000> strange 19:51:08 <V453000> Eddi|zuHause: I am making that difference, and putting it to the cut parts individually 19:51:25 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:51:39 <V453000> but even if 35/10 is 3, then the 40/10 is clearly 4 19:52:01 <V453000> which means part 1 and part 9 are different, but they draw correctly - despite theri distance from central part 5 is the same 19:53:54 <V453000> the p-5 does that, if part is 5, offset is relative 0 19:58:06 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:30 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 20:04:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:07:41 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:08:10 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 20:10:54 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: Extrems, eQualizer, @Belugas, jonty-comp, davidstrauss, ST2, blathijs, roadt, tokai|mdlx, CosmicRay, (+23 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:12:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: frosch123 20:13:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: Wolf01, yorick, lastmikoi, ST2, Leander_, roadt, Samu, gelignite, Klanticus, CosmicRay (+22 more) 20:17:32 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:17:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 20:23:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:34 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, Extrems, @Belugas, jonty-comp, davidstrauss, ST2, blathijs, roadt, tokai|mdlx, CosmicRay, (+22 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:27:59 *** Netsplit over, joins: Wolf01, yorick, lastmikoi, ST2, Leander_, roadt, Samu, gelignite, Klanticus, CosmicRay (+22 more) 20:42:09 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:44:58 <Pikkaphone> wot wot 20:45:01 <Samu> impossible to know 20:45:01 <Samu> I have a dilema 20:45:44 <roidal_> is there something like a standard-AI? 20:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and you fare better if you have many different AIs 20:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> multiple of the same AIs tend to get in each others way, because they think too much alike 20:46:46 <roidal_> einleuchtend 20:47:03 <roidal_> gibts eine die empfehlenswert ist? 20:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know that... 20:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i never play with AIs 20:48:45 <Samu> my dilema: when loading an old save game where oil rigs were built on canals, it is impossible to know who were their owners. When trying to convert that bit, I have no idea what to set it like 20:48:47 <Samu> with examples 20:48:47 <Samu> might be clearer 20:48:47 <Samu> so i load an old save game with oil rigs built on canals 20:48:58 <Samu> since the old behaviour is to set that bit 4 to 0 20:49:36 <Samu> i have no idea now how to convert to the new behaviour 20:49:36 <Samu> canals can have various owners 20:49:56 <Samu> if neutral, then bit 4 is 1 20:53:28 <Samu> if it's someone canal, then bit 4 is 0 20:53:29 <Samu> but since the old behaviour was always turning it to 0, how could I guess now who owned it? 20:53:55 <Samu> I could assume it as neutral 20:53:55 <Samu> it's not entirely correct, but once oil rig bankrupts 20:53:55 <Samu> the canal belongs to OWNER_NONE 20:54:18 <roidal_> can AI-scripts cheat? 20:55:31 <Samu> ok, so neutral it is 20:56:43 <Samu> it looks I don't have to pump up a savegame version 20:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> roidal_: no, AI can do exactly what a player can do 20:57:25 *** Pikka 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<Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: depends on what you mean with "can" 21:01:26 *** raincomplex [~raincompl@pool-173-70-20-227.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:59 <Samu> there can be ais in single player game 21:02:05 <Pikka> I guess I should buy train fever while it's on special, for research porpoises... 21:02:07 <Samu> i was wondering if AIs could cheat when the game was started as single player 21:04:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D141.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:09 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FC559A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:07:53 <Pikka> perhaps they should be able to 21:11:38 <roidal_> another question 21:12:09 <roidal_> what value shows "money" in the output of the "companies" command? 21:12:33 <roidal_> it differs from my actual money. is this because of different unit? 21:12:42 <roidal_> (â¬, $ etc) 21:13:17 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: so what would be the point of that? 21:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: the AI switches company into yours, removes your stuff, and switches back? 21:14:59 <frosch123> roidal_: internal money unit is £ 21:20:09 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, Extrems, @Belugas, Pikka, jonty-comp, davidstrauss, ST2, blathijs, roadt, tokai|mdlx, (+23 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:20:54 <roidal_> thanks again! 21:22:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:02 *** Netsplit over, joins: HerzogDeXtEr1, Pikka, Wolf01, yorick, lastmikoi, ST2, Leander_, roadt, Samu, gelignite (+23 more) 21:25:25 <frosch123> it's netsplit day :) 21:26:01 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FC559A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 21:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's celebrating the FCC's decision to force net neutrality onto ISPs? 21:26:59 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-170-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 21:30:57 *** Progman_ 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HasTileWaterClass(!WATER_CLASS_CANAL)) { 22:05:03 <glx> no 22:05:16 <glx> !HasTile... 22:05:54 <Samu> :/ 22:06:46 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1825C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:07:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:20 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 22:08:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d013a67.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:09:45 <Samu> if (IsTileType(t, MP_INDUSTRY) && !HasTileWaterClass(WATER_CLASS_CANAL)) { 22:09:51 <Samu> doesn't work 22:10:28 <glx> missing args probably 22:11:19 <Wolf01> doesn't VS help a little with intellisense and syntax errors highlight? 22:11:44 <glx> intellisense helps a lot 22:12:01 <glx> and error messages too 22:17:50 <Wolf01> maybe it's because I'm too used to PHPStorm where you use smart autocomplete and the code writes itself 22:17:50 <Samu> it runs but not doing the correct thing 22:17:50 <Wolf01> ok, that's better 22:17:51 <Wolf01> and: what are you trying to achieve? 22:17:51 <Samu> when loading a savegame below version 195, all industry tiles that are not canals, SB(_m[t].m1, 4, 1, 1); 22:17:51 <Samu> for industries that are canals I want it to do nothing 22:17:51 <Samu> built on canals would be the correct wording 22:17:51 <Wolf01> then it could be the the HasTileWaterClass() function which might want you to pass it the "tile" t 22:17:51 <Samu> Hastilewaterclass(t) 22:17:52 <Wolf01> makes sense 22:17:52 <Samu> how would it act according to which class is it 22:18:41 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 22:19:04 <Samu> hmm let me try 22:19:26 <Samu> if (IsTileType(t, MP_INDUSTRY) && !HasTileWaterClass(t)) { 22:20:16 <glx> should be true for industries on dry land 22:20:50 <glx> hmm no always true 22:21:08 <glx> industry tiles always have waterclass 22:21:33 <Samu> nothing is happening 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Disconnecting train 23:01:56 <Samu> what's that 23:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> means you screwed up royally 23:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: that means an engine moved, but couldn't drag its wagons with it 23:03:28 <Samu> i was messing with waterclasses not trains 23:03:35 <Samu> waterclasses and industries 23:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you changed something that was required for something entirely different 23:03:55 <Samu> how do I get the waterclass from an industry tile? 23:04:24 <glx> try GetWaterClass() 23:04:46 <Wolf01> we should get rid of that error with new disasters and shunting 23:04:47 <Samu> i tried that 23:05:00 <Samu> i get assertion failed 23:05:00 <Wolf01> eh, but GetWaterClass() doesn't like when you pass it a non water tile :D 23:05:16 <glx> industry tiles are valid for that 23:05:34 <Wolf01> maybe he doesn't loop only industry tiles 23:06:13 <Samu> GetWaterClass(t); if (!IsCanal(t)) {} 23:06:21 <Samu> assertion 23:06:47 <glx> IsCanal() works for MP_WATER tiles only 23:07:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1825C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:45 <Samu> it's an industry tile 23:08:59 <glx> then you can't use IsCanal() 23:09:21 <glx> but you can use GetWaterClass(t) != WATER_CLASS_CANAL 23:10:24 <Samu> there is no way to extract the water class of an industry tile? 23:10:24 <Samu> oh 23:10:24 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 23:10:59 <Samu> if (IsTileType(t, MP_INDUSTRY) && (GetWaterClass(t) != WATER_CLASS_CANAL { 23:11:43 <glx> yes 23:13:04 <Wolf01> you miss )) 23:13:04 <Samu> oh, if (IsTileType(t, MP_INDUSTRY) && (GetWaterClass(t) != WATER_CLASS_CANAL)) { 23:13:04 <Samu> zomg so that's how you do it 23:13:04 <Samu> testing 23:13:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D9A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 23:19:28 <Samu> omg yes, testing it, works 23:19:34 <Samu> just not sure if it's the right assumption 23:19:34 <Samu> 0 or 1 23:19:37 <Samu> no way to tell 23:19:37 <Samu> what is more likely to find? canals with no owner or canals owned by someone? 23:19:38 <Samu> canals with no owner = 1, canals owned by someone = 0 23:20:05 <Samu> but, what's more likely 23:20:18 <Samu> any idea? 23:20:55 <Samu> pre-patch always puts a 0, when oil rig dies in pre-patch, it puts a 1 23:22:08 <Samu> post-patch can be 1 or 0, when oil rig dies in post-patch, it puts a 1 23:22:50 <glx> it doesn't put a 1, it sets the owner to one of the >0x10 one 23:22:54 <Samu> loading pre-patch savegame, loads it as 0, then conversion takes place, but i's impossible to know what to convert to 23:24:02 <Samu> that is the OWNER_NONE 23:24:18 <Samu> 0x30 23:24:27 <Samu> since it's canal 23:25:37 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:28:47 <Samu> i'm not sure if 0 is the "better correct" assumption 23:28:50 <Samu> going back to landscape grid and landscape 23:28:50 <Samu> 0 seems to be the answer 23:28:51 <Samu> or actually, not correcting it 23:28:51 <Samu> which let's it stay as 0 23:28:51 <Samu> meh, 0 it is 23:29:14 <Samu> thx, for this part I'm done. now wondering if i really need to pump up savegame version 23:33:18 <Samu> load as 194, convert, save as 194 23:33:21 <Samu> or load as 194, convert, save as 195 23:39:45 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: Extrems, Ttech, Speedy, eQualizer, @Belugas, Xaroth, Pikka, tyteen4a03, jonty-comp, davidstrauss, (+45 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:42:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, joho, Vadtec, TinoDidriksen, jinks, @Rubidium, funnel, Sacro, guru3-vp1, luaduck (+44 more) 23:43:19 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:30 <Samu> loading post-past savegame on pre-patch game 23:44:34 <Samu> heh, will co-exist 23:44:39 <Samu> fixed and un-fixed 23:45:31 <Samu> and there is no problem with that apparently 23:46:06 <Samu> alright, time to share the patch 23:46:08 <Samu> brb 23:47:42 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 23:48:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:52 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:32 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82c7fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]