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00:06:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D1E9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:17:22 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:20:46 <frosch123> yay, i fixed opengfx makefile, so it actually produces proper "make: Nothing to be done for `all'." 00:20:54 <frosch123> instead of redoing most stuff all the time 00:22:09 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 00:39:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d01963c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 00:42:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:10 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.255.168] has joined #openttd 01:52:39 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:17:22 <kamnet> Home from work. I'm wore out 02:37:23 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 02:38:03 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:40:15 <kamnet> Congratulations frosch123 02:43:56 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has joined #openttd 03:08:17 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-235-233.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 03:11:35 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:11:58 <supermop> 3d printing little spaceframes is expensive 03:15:07 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-201-190.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:15:28 <Supercheese> even if you have your own printer? 03:15:34 <Supercheese> or you mean ordering one? 03:16:32 <Supercheese> Since I already have one, each successive part is individually pretty cheap - but of course amortizing the cost of the printer itself effectively makes parts more expensive 03:17:09 <Supercheese> I should print out little OTTD vehicles 03:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause> cublicles! 03:17:54 <kamnet> Make them look nicer than Sapphire United's attempts 03:18:16 <Supercheese> yeah he has identified some inherent issues with the models on the repo 03:18:27 <Supercheese> they were naturally not designed for printing but rendering 03:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> use pixeltool 03:20:28 <Supercheese> That has a 3D model export to it? 03:20:30 * Supercheese checks 03:21:09 <Supercheese> I do not see any option for that 03:21:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it'd probably be trivial to add 03:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> if you know the format 03:22:10 <Supercheese> well, I don't want to start another miniproject, still working on OGFX+ Airports 03:22:20 <Supercheese> gotta add the seaplane port and fences parameter 03:22:47 *** ChrisM [~chris@203-166-252-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:40:43 <supermop> the pixel thing seem particularly well suited to lower res 3d printers anyway 03:40:59 <supermop> i'm ordering the spaceframes 03:41:23 <supermop> preferably in metal as a necklace for fiance's birthday 03:41:51 <supermop> i wonder if 3d prints or original sprites would be fair use 03:42:00 <kamnet> Will they really appreciate a Jinty, though? ;-) 03:42:23 <kamnet> Just use the open-source licensed stuff and it's all in the clear 03:42:32 <supermop> as you would have to make new 3d models inspired by them, not like you'd use the original sprites 03:42:45 <supermop> well i want to make some little capsule towers anyway 03:43:04 <supermop> but you could make the sort of fake capsule tower that shows up in TT 03:43:23 <supermop> plus others, on standard square bases 03:43:33 <supermop> Table Top Transport Tycoon 03:43:58 <supermop> must roll a 6 every turn to prevent train from breaking down 03:44:24 <Supercheese> D: 03:45:36 <supermop> still better than original breakdowns 03:46:16 <supermop> i really need a new computer 03:46:47 <supermop> rendering shiny metal spaceframes with a product render type set up is pushing it 03:55:34 <kamnet> spaceballs 03:55:38 <kamnet> render spaceballs 04:00:56 <Supercheese> it'll overclock your computer into plaid 04:01:44 <kamnet> You'll be surrounded by Assholes! 04:03:36 *** JGR_ [~JGR@host86-178-172-35.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:04:26 <ST2> supermop, kamnet and Supercheese: joined now and already seeing a horror movie script xD 04:04:30 <ST2> hi all :) 04:06:40 *** JGR [~JGR@host86-181-104-192.range86-181.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:40 *** JGR_ is now known as JGR 04:07:21 <supermop> yo 04:14:11 <kamnet> hello ST2 and JGR 04:14:30 <kamnet> Tonight I tackle flying boats. after I edit down my pocasts 04:14:39 *** Extrems1 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 04:14:45 <ST2> both accepted on #??? channel, but not related ^^ 04:14:49 <ST2> hi :) 04:16:35 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:16:35 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:24 <kamnet> Apparently I'm more excited about my interests than anybody else is. :D 04:28:11 *** Extrems1 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:22 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 04:29:39 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:32 <supermop> heh 04:45:43 <kamnet> A set about boats the fly and planes that sail. 04:47:45 <kamnet> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AC5NvXVJh_2FFOrIm3sgck45RZJ1jxBV8-f0DZf0LA/edit?usp=sharing 04:52:34 <kamnet> I know I'm going to leave some of the earlier planes behind, but I think any plane that transports less than 4 people simply isn't worthy of a transport plane at all. 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66671.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4C52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:08:48 <supermop> ok gout my unit cost to under 05:08:57 <supermop> under 10 if i do plastic instead 05:13:54 <kamnet> For planetmaker, Terkhen, chillcore, frosch123, Alberth, Rubidium, Zuu, yexo, or anybody else I may have forgotten or overlooked: would any care to make a post here regarding the outstanding conflicts you can think of with the daylength patches? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1146954#p1146954 05:19:27 <kamnet> how big of a unit does that make? 05:21:02 <supermop> its a pendant about 10 cm in diameter 05:24:39 <supermop> ooh i should print up a mounting bracket for my coffee grinder at the same time 05:31:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:34 <andythenorth> o/ 05:36:44 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:16 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 05:41:16 <supermop> yo andy 05:43:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 05:46:07 <supermop> nice 05:50:42 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:54:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:08:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:21:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:24:39 <kamnet> Good morning Andy 06:25:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:44 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 06:28:36 *** ChrisM [~chris@203-166-252-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:00:40 <Terkhen> hello 07:03:18 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:03:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:03:34 *** Celestar [~Celestar@cos-eq2.com] has joined #openttd 07:07:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:16:43 <andythenorth> Sunday cat 07:18:06 * andythenorth discovers more bugs 07:18:17 <andythenorth> refactoring FIRS is interesting 07:22:36 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 07:27:01 * andythenorth concludes that FIRS 1.4.4 is âbuggyâ :P 07:27:12 <andythenorth> v2 will be differently buggy probably 07:33:17 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-11.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:46:31 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:52 <supermop> excited for the new bug 07:49:53 <supermop> s 07:51:03 <supermop> nice got this bracket collar thing down to about 08:01:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:08:11 <Supercheese> supermop: Have you made sure your 3D model slices cleanly for printing? Also, what printing service are you ordering from? 08:08:37 <supermop> shapeways 08:08:42 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C35BF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:08:55 <supermop> unless i find a cheap service in melbourne which i doubt i will 08:08:58 <Supercheese> a popular service indeed 08:09:17 <supermop> it's been tricky getting some of the meshes clean up 08:10:15 <Supercheese> yeah you must have manifold geometry, no holes, no disjoints... 08:10:35 <Supercheese> I try and download models from Thingiverse and half of them do not even slice much less print 08:11:01 <Supercheese> you'd think the uploaders would at least test slicing but no... 08:11:26 <supermop> but its all good now, just putting finishing touches on a bracket for my coffee grinder so i can put it in the same order as the jewelry 08:15:25 <supermop> last time i 3d printed anything was in architecture school back in 2006 08:22:20 <kamnet> how much was your 3D printer? 08:23:01 <Supercheese> I ordered one with a large build volume, so it was ,000 08:23:09 <Supercheese> http://seemecnc.com/products/rostock-max-complete-kit 08:23:11 <Supercheese> that guy 08:27:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:28:09 *** Celestar [~Celestar@cos-eq2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:26 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:28:59 <Pikka> longer? tch. :) 08:31:31 <Rubidium> maybe andy should make a "bug" industry in FIRS and reduce its maximum output every bugfix he makes ;) 08:36:48 <Alberth> Name it "Zeno" 08:53:57 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.255.168] has quit [Quit: http://adiirc.com/changelog.php] 08:56:11 <kamnet> Randomly substitute one crate of output with Secret Rubidium Cargo. 08:59:26 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:02:43 <supermop> ok going with steel and bronze for necklace, matte black for grinder 09:05:57 <supermop> aaand right after paying i have a better idea for the grinder thing 09:06:00 <supermop> oh well 09:08:00 <Rubidium> kamnet: that's too much effort, though... fun fact... you contain between a quarter and half gram of rubidium 09:08:19 <supermop> what do you use your printer for Supercheese ? 09:08:44 *** Flygon__ is now known as Flygon 09:08:47 <Flygon> Well 09:08:49 <Flygon> His name's Supercheese 09:08:53 <Flygon> So I presume he prints cheese 09:08:59 <Flygon> Oh man 09:09:12 <Flygon> I could totally go for a 3D printed Cheese Flygon right about now 09:09:13 <Flygon> Oh man 09:09:20 <Flygon> That should be my new name from now 09:09:24 *** Flygon is now known as Cheese_Flygon 09:09:25 <Cheese_Flygon> B3 09:09:30 <kamnet> Cheese, also known as cheddar, which is slang for money. He operates an illegal penny press. 09:10:06 <supermop> i've actually never been interested in things like the makerbot, because generally i don't need to print things often enough to warrant my own printer 09:10:37 <supermop> and on the rare occasions that i do i find i'd rather have them in some other material 09:11:22 <supermop> and last time i actually printed anything, makerbot did not exist 09:20:19 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:44 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d0854e3.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 09:41:22 <Pikka> oh look V453000 09:41:27 <Pikka> longer chinese trains 09:43:43 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-172-86.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 09:46:35 <supermop> can we get even shorter trains 09:46:50 <supermop> im thinking chinese trains at 1/8 09:48:23 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-11.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f747e27.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:19 <V453000> neat stuf 11:26:01 *** Marty [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:27 <supermop> there is a lot of obscure N scale stuff on shapeways 11:31:34 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest1827 11:31:38 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:00 *** Guest1827 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:31 <jjavaholic> if I have a train with mixed cargo carriages does that count as two seperate "items of cargo" vis a vis town growth 11:47:18 <Pikka> I assume this is either a gamescript or a modified game? In any case: probably. 11:48:06 <frosch123> jjavaholic: to reword the wiki page: for maximum town growth you have to pick up *any* non-zero cargo amount of *any* cargo at 5 more more *different* stations of the town 11:48:31 <frosch123> you are interpreting to much into "one unit" 11:48:38 <frosch123> it just means "any" 11:48:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:21 <andythenorth> o/ 11:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <kamnet> Cheese, also known as cheddar, which is slang for money. He operates an illegal penny press. <-- over here they call the real money "coal" and the fake money "flowers" 11:50:55 <planetmaker> \o 11:52:10 <jjavaholic> per load unload cycle? 11:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> jjavaholic: about once per month 11:52:44 <kamnet> Morning to all 11:53:40 <jjavaholic> so a train that picks up 1 passenger and 1 mail doesn't count as two items of cargo picked up be a single station? 11:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> no 11:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it doesn't do anything... 11:56:01 <jjavaholic> so it doesn't help to have a vehicle that picks up more than one cargo type? 11:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause> not for town growth, anyway 12:00:50 <supermop> hard to write a description for this hand grinder part that doesn't sound like innuendo 12:01:28 <supermop> "By mounting your grinder, you can lessen some of the work using this great but notoriously labor intensive little mill, allowing you to grind with one hand rather than gripping tightly with both" 12:01:35 <supermop> i feel like i should change that 12:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes no sense grammatically 12:04:17 <supermop> yeah 12:04:36 <supermop> my grammer has gotten really rambling over the past year or so 12:05:02 <supermop> i keep writing these stream of consciousness flows 12:05:38 <supermop> i think because i am in a fair amount of isolation here - 12:08:40 * andythenorth commits python sins 12:08:47 <andythenorth> using dir() to learn the API of a module 12:09:05 <Alberth> docs.python.org ftw 12:09:25 <andythenorth> nah itâs chameleon, itâs not there 12:09:34 <andythenorth> has own docs though 12:09:51 <Alberth> docs.chameleon.org :p 12:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also help() 12:12:11 <andythenorth> ho ho ho 12:12:16 * andythenorth made it work 12:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and also tab-completiton :) 12:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clMOTXh0e7M 12:13:11 <andythenorth> unrealistic 12:13:17 <andythenorth> the animals donât get stuck in the walls 12:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> animals get stuck in the wall? 12:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i have this problem where cows get on top of fences 12:16:15 <andythenorth> in minecraft on ios 12:16:21 <andythenorth> the clipping is buggy 12:16:27 <andythenorth> in fact, on ios, the game is pretty buggy 12:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> how can that be dependent on ios? it's java. 12:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> java runs the same on any platform ever!! 12:17:40 <andythenorth> C++ on ios 12:18:12 <andythenorth> missing most of the interesting features 12:18:19 <andythenorth> no crafting or anything afaict 12:18:39 <andythenorth> no redstone or other stuff that my 5 year old sees in video 12:19:16 <chillcore> sure there is crafting ... but not in the way you are used to 12:19:29 <andythenorth> there is? 12:19:52 <chillcore> haz invenrory and click craftingtable 12:19:57 <chillcore> quick select 12:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so, they have minecraft, just without craft, so only mine? 12:20:03 <andythenorth> nah, thereâs no crafting tables or anything 12:20:18 * andythenorth has never played real minecraft, so nothing to compare with :P 12:20:52 <andythenorth> the 5 year old just builds endless powered mine-cart tracks 12:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as you have endless iron and gold :) 12:24:20 <andythenorth> creative mode 12:34:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:36 <kamnet> What general information needs to be taken from real life ships for use in OpenTTD? 12:37:59 <andythenorth> capacity, speed 12:38:05 <andythenorth> everything else is irrelevant 12:38:15 <andythenorth> ships have very few factors 12:38:36 <andythenorth> I guess youâd want intro dates and lifetime if youâre modelling reality 12:39:07 <andythenorth> someone is rendering a new ship set? 12:39:16 <andythenorth> can I nick the sprites? 12:39:27 <kamnet> Working on stats for ekranoplans. 12:40:42 <kamnet> Right now I track intro and end production years, lifetime of vehicle, MTOW, pax & cargo capacity, range and engine power. 12:41:10 <andythenorth> range engine power are useless 12:41:18 <andythenorth> as is MTOW 12:41:43 <andythenorth> pax & cargo capacity can be handled on refit by cb, so valid 12:42:27 <kamnet> Not that those have to be exact to real life. Should be balanced somewhat towards game play. 12:42:31 <supermop> wasn't that one guy trying to do some kind of range/breakdown simulation? 12:42:52 <andythenorth> for ships? 12:42:56 <kamnet> With the other planes I'm also tracking, I'm simply rounding most of those numbers up and down. 12:43:04 <supermop> he was doing for RV i think 12:43:13 <andythenorth> sounds boring :) 12:43:25 <supermop> probably 12:43:42 <supermop> ships should just sink when out of range 12:43:44 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-230-86-71-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:43:48 <supermop> without logic nor warning 12:43:50 <kamnet> It gives me an excuse to trawl Wikipedia while my wife complains about not coming to bed. ;-) 12:44:04 <supermop> as should RVs 12:44:32 <kamnet> RVs should sink? What if there isn't a nearby river? 12:44:52 <andythenorth> sinkhole disaster 12:44:55 <supermop> fall through the pavement and get stuck 12:45:16 <supermop> trains should have design speed but unlimited max speed - 12:45:26 <supermop> run it too fast or long and it explodes 12:45:42 <supermop> sometimes explodes anyway 12:46:00 <kamnet> Or if faster than 88 MPH, travel into the future. 12:46:32 <supermop> need NewDisasters 12:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wondered about that movie... 88mph isn't actually that fast... people here go faster than that all the time 12:49:28 <kamnet> You have to remember, that movie was written after the oil embargoes and the government clamped down on speed limits. 12:49:56 <kamnet> "I Can't Drive 55" is a protest song. 12:50:08 <supermop> also, dmc12s were pretty horribly under-powered cars 12:50:25 <supermop> 88 would be honestly impressing for one without nuclear power 12:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the fusion doesn't power the engine 12:51:07 <supermop> and stock delorean speedometers max out at 85, they have to make a custom dial for the movie 12:51:48 <Eddi|zuHause> here, all the speedometers go to at least 220km/h... no matter whether the car can go that fast 12:52:16 <Alberth> going downhill, every car gan go fast :) 12:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have a long enough hill :p 12:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but even then, the wind resistance will give you a max speed 12:54:20 <supermop> i've never managed to get our old passat over 150mph, the dial went to 200 though i recall 12:54:28 <jjavaholic> which advanced setting it is that allows me to place rail signals even when trains are on rail pieces? 12:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: cars are artifically capped at 240km/h 12:55:25 <supermop> only german ones? 12:56:10 <supermop> my subaru was more powerful but stopped short of 140 12:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> probably all major car manufacturers 13:01:33 <chillcore> for all cars that can go faster, capped yes ... grip and fluff ... waranty ... tire manufactorors ... insurance ... *bla bla* 13:07:53 <andythenorth> 200mph in a passat? : 13:07:55 <andythenorth> :o 13:08:01 <andythenorth> thatâs an ambitious speed dial :P 13:08:48 <andythenorth> 140mph in one of these was fast enough for andythenorth http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae45/MarkSparks2009/n1232665513_133062_7882.jpg 13:09:04 * andythenorth wasnât driving 13:11:26 *** ChrisM [~chris@203-166-252-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11:34 <supermop> it was a 2.8L from 2000 13:12:07 <supermop> i assume the speedometer maximum was more brand experience than honest optimism 13:13:23 <supermop> the subaru however did certainly feel as if it was not allowed to go faster, power suddenly disappeared at 140 13:15:15 <chillcore> **cough**fusebox/**cough** 13:15:22 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 13:17:14 <supermop> these days i find the fetishization of personal vehicles to be unappetizing 13:17:44 <supermop> buuut i would like one of those new subarus with the toyota 86 body 13:17:54 <supermop> in blue please 13:19:39 * andythenorth bought a mondeo 13:19:48 <andythenorth> and stopped seeing cars as a reflection of self 13:20:31 * supermop sold car in 2008 and now panics at the thought of trying to budget for one again 13:21:24 <chillcore> huhu my cinquecento took me places ... banged up or not 13:21:42 <supermop> original one chillcore ? 13:22:11 * chillcore is conviced it would have rather fallen apart than doing 200mph 13:22:27 *** Marty_ [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:23 *** Marty [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:34 <supermop> i should bring a ute back from oz 13:28:06 <V453000> how is progress supermop 13:28:21 <supermop> on buying a ute? 13:28:49 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 13:29:02 <chillcore> no not the original one supermop ... can't even remember the build year without looking it up 13:30:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D1E9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:31:35 <andythenorth> hello macros my old friend 13:31:52 <andythenorth> otherwise known as âhow to avoid template stringâ 13:32:37 <supermop> V453000: today designed placed orders for 3 things from shapeways 13:33:01 <V453000> :) 13:33:05 <supermop> bed time 13:41:10 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-171-146.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:25 *** Bolli [~B0ll1@87.114.133.139] has joined #openttd 13:52:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:01:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.38.183] has joined #openttd 14:01:29 <Wolf01> o/ 14:07:43 <Cheese_Flygon> People here discuss cars being limited to 240... 14:07:48 <Cheese_Flygon> My speedo goes up to 220, but... 14:07:54 <Cheese_Flygon> It never displays over 110 <_> 14:08:33 <Cheese_Flygon> There's only one solution 14:08:35 <Wolf01> cars should be limited to 70 14:08:42 <Cheese_Flygon> Let's race in the Northern Territory 14:08:51 <Cheese_Flygon> Wolf01: 70km/h? Are you bloody mad? 14:08:57 <Cheese_Flygon> The Trams in Melbourne go faster than that! 14:09:10 <Cheese_Flygon> 80km/h, officially. Unofficially, tested up to 115km/h @_@ 14:09:30 <__ln__> Wolf01: that's not enough for time travel 14:09:32 <Cheese_Flygon> Which means our Trams can go faster than Freeway speed, hahaha 14:10:40 <Wolf01> eh, but 88mph are ~140kph, which is already over our road limits on highways 14:12:15 <kamnet> *ponders* Wonder if you can code airplanes to fly at really low levels? 14:12:32 <andythenorth> you can code ships to travel on land 14:12:35 <andythenorth> but the game crashes 14:12:40 <Cheese_Flygon> Wolf01: Near precisely 140km/h 14:12:41 <andythenorth> frosch did it once to test hovercraft 14:13:03 <Cheese_Flygon> Oh, 141.6km/h.... still 14:13:05 <Wolf01> in recent times here seem to be road kill spree... there are lots of crashes due to high speed 14:13:10 <kamnet> I imagine the pathfinder did not like that 14:13:11 <Cheese_Flygon> A tiny margin of error. You'd never see it on the speedo 14:14:04 <Cheese_Flygon> It would be really really neat to have Alpha Centauri-style Gravships in OTTD 14:14:05 <Wolf01> also people with those suvs drive like mad 14:14:11 <Cheese_Flygon> Like, in the year 2250 or something 14:14:19 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:43 <Cheese_Flygon> Again, I can't state enough 14:14:49 <Wolf01> not that some idiots with the smart notice they are going 90kph on the middle of the city 14:14:56 <Cheese_Flygon> How cool it'd be to have a 32678*32768 world map 14:14:59 <Cheese_Flygon> That starts from 1AD 14:15:01 <Cheese_Flygon> And evolves from there 14:15:16 <Cheese_Flygon> Though, it'd require a script to be able to found towns... and destroy them 14:15:21 <Cheese_Flygon> What with the wars 14:15:29 <kamnet> If you could code planes to fly really low then that might make ekranoplans a reality 14:15:49 <Cheese_Flygon> Ekranoplans? 14:16:12 <Wolf01> planes seem to touch land sometimes, especially when they reach the airports, so I think it's feasible 14:16:27 <andythenorth> shadow flies low 14:16:39 <Cheese_Flygon> Don't airplanes already have a mechanism to deliberately keep x amount of z axis tiles above land? 14:17:02 <Wolf01> I don't know how it works with MHL, do planes crash on mountains? 14:17:09 <Cheese_Flygon> They shouldn't 14:17:14 <Cheese_Flygon> Given the extra heights patch 14:17:22 <Wolf01> or they always travel at the max level + offset? 14:17:40 <Cheese_Flygon> They, iirc 14:17:49 <Cheese_Flygon> Have a certain max level 14:18:01 <Cheese_Flygon> But will breach that if they're going over a reeeaaaalllllllly taaaaaallllll mountain 14:18:07 <Cheese_Flygon> Like, over z16 tall 14:18:18 <kamnet> Wonder if you can hack the shadow of a plane to be the graphic and then the regular graphic is just invisible? 14:18:40 <Cheese_Flygon> Boogie Man plane? 14:18:42 <Cheese_Flygon> Oh man 14:18:46 <Cheese_Flygon> I can see it now 14:19:01 <Cheese_Flygon> "OpenTTD: Toejam and Earl TCM" 14:19:35 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:53 <kamnet> This morning's progress: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AC5NvXVJh_2FFOrIm3sgck45RZJ1jxBV8-f0DZf0LA/edit?usp=sharing 14:23:05 <kamnet> Tracking Flying Boats and Floatplanes 14:28:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:44:45 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:44:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:14:17 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A182C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:54:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:06:40 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:08 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:23:40 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:48 *** Marty_ [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:17 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:09:15 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has joined #openttd 17:13:36 *** Marty [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:59 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:07 <andythenorth> macro cat 17:32:23 <andythenorth> anyone coding anything? 17:32:45 <Alberth> a little FreeRCT 17:33:11 <andythenorth> traitor! 17:33:13 <andythenorth> :P 17:33:20 <andythenorth> hey someone made reverse orders :D 17:33:21 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=44766 17:33:25 <andythenorth> is it any good? o_O 17:33:34 * andythenorth wants it for ships on bouy routes 17:33:43 * andythenorth wonders what it does with refits and such 17:34:12 <Alberth> I am not sure you want it that way 17:34:30 <Alberth> it makes havoc if you change it afterwards, I think 17:34:46 <Alberth> Also, it's hard to see it's a reverse copy 17:34:56 <andythenorth> needs a magic inverter order 17:35:01 <andythenorth> explicitly 17:35:23 <andythenorth> which might cause the first and last stations to be visited twice 17:35:25 <andythenorth> undesirably 17:35:46 <andythenorth> Alberth had any more ideas about more atomic orders? o_O 17:35:56 * andythenorth has been thinking about things like âfull load cargo xâ 17:36:01 <andythenorth> âload cargo y if available' 17:36:02 <andythenorth> etc 17:36:06 <andythenorth> âunload cargo zâ 17:36:09 <Alberth> order invertor won't work either, I think 17:36:25 <andythenorth> becauseâŠ? o_O 17:36:41 <Alberth> you get a current order arrow walking downward as well as upward 17:38:00 <Alberth> so clicking to jump to an order isn't sufficient any more, you also need to set a direction 17:38:13 <Alberth> highly confusing, I think 17:38:30 <frosch123> don't start with conditional orders :) 17:39:30 <andythenorth> oh conditional orders :D 17:39:36 <Alberth> I wonder what the patch does with them :p 17:39:46 <frosch123> the patch just copies all the orders 17:39:57 <frosch123> you can manually resort them afterwards 17:40:08 <frosch123> it's more like a copy&paste-reversed 17:40:11 <Alberth> haha :p 17:40:38 <frosch123> though it likely keeps the targets of the conditions 17:40:49 <frosch123> so yeah, conditions make no sense whatsoever :) 17:41:15 <frosch123> remove conditional orders :) 17:41:31 <Alberth> yeah, I wonder how useful they are 17:41:40 * andythenorth has no idea 17:41:45 <andythenorth> never understood them 17:41:50 <Alberth> although I have used them to cycle to farms until full 17:42:02 <frosch123> Alberth: probably as useful as pre-signals 17:42:04 <frosch123> ask V :) 17:42:14 <andythenorth> I never have these complicated situations that other players have 17:42:23 <andythenorth> I donât know what version of OTTD they are playing sometimes :) 17:43:03 <Alberth> They call it OpenTTD, but it's an elaborate railway simulation program 17:44:57 <andythenorth> even with FIRS, all these complicated feeders and piglets and things they use 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27234 trunk/src/lang/ukrainian.txt (2015-04-12 19:45:17 +0200 ) 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:27 <DorpsGek> ukrainian - 67 changes by Fixer 17:49:00 <andythenorth> remove conditional orders in an RC? 17:49:05 <andythenorth> just to see who complains? 17:49:14 <andythenorth> or fork a âfuture ottdâ v2 branch :P 17:49:23 <Rubidium> andythenorth: you sound like our IT department 17:49:35 <andythenorth> orly? o_O 17:49:48 <Rubidium> we'll just break things on Friday and when nobody complains by Monday is was okay 17:49:49 <andythenorth> "turn it off, see if anyone was using it?â 17:50:38 <Rubidium> which is especially useful when you must delivery your stuff within 24 hours, the stuff that is delivered is made during the night and IT will only answer calls on Monday 17:51:36 <andythenorth> how joy 17:51:53 <andythenorth> there are ways to organise an organisation to mostly avoid this 17:51:59 <andythenorth> but they seem to be hard 18:01:39 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:04:46 <andythenorth> 24 out of 66 18:04:58 <andythenorth> + a simple way to inject custom animation control for tiles 18:05:36 <Alberth> worthwhile delay 18:07:56 <andythenorth> quite a lot of unreported FIRS bugs :) 18:08:20 <andythenorth> these weirdos who try and micro-optimise deliveriesâŠdonât seem to notice that production doesnât add up at multiple industries 18:08:24 <andythenorth> amongst other problems :) 18:11:13 <Alberth> too busy with openttd city growth :) 18:11:52 <andythenorth> can we randomise the number of pickup stations required for growth? 18:11:57 <andythenorth> just to mess with people? o_O 18:12:05 <andythenorth> between 1 and 9 maybe 18:13:10 <chillcore> you are way too kind ... up to 22 in my patchpack xD 18:13:37 <Alberth> change it every month :p 18:17:07 *** JR1 [~oftc-webi@ip-64-134-172-124.public.wayport.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:23 <JR1> Hello? 18:17:53 *** JR1 [~oftc-webi@ip-64-134-172-124.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:55 <andythenorth> he came 18:28:57 <andythenorth> he went 18:29:34 <Alberth> it's nice he said hello 18:30:07 <V453000> VENI VIDI WTF 18:30:31 *** Bolli [~B0ll1@87.114.133.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:50 <Rubidium> rather "veni vidi foetsie" (where foetsie is kinda Dutch slang for something that's missing/gone) 18:35:58 *** Marty [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:28 *** DanMacK [~46189b5e@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:38:14 <DanMacK> Hey all 18:39:16 <andythenorth> ohai DanMacK 18:40:47 * andythenorth writes some docs on the FIRS api 18:40:55 <andythenorth> this is usually a bad idea 18:40:57 <andythenorth> docs rot :P 18:46:21 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE45A56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:54:43 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:01:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-15-203.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:03:07 *** Marty [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:10 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE45A56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:15 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-172-86.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 19:07:58 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:22 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:12:00 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:04 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:20:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6C1E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D1E9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:07 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:41 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:03 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE45A56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:44:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:54:18 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:58:58 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:02 *** FLHerne_ is now known as FLHerne 20:06:30 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:30 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DE45A56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:57 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:06 <frosch123> heffer, blathijs: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/releases/0.4.1/ http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/0.5.2/ 20:29:20 <frosch123> not sure whether i highlighted you abuot ottd 1.5.0 20:30:03 <andythenorth> hrm 20:30:36 <andythenorth> industry tile animation 20:30:39 <planetmaker> also Ammler: nml 0.4.1 and opengfx 0.5.2 now out ^^ 20:30:48 <andythenorth> the length for every tile must have a common integer factor? 20:31:00 * andythenorth wonders why some FIRS code has the values it does 20:31:11 <andythenorth> tile with 6 frames, tile with 6 * 7 frames 20:32:38 <Wolf01> 'night 20:32:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:41:45 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C35BF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 20:47:07 <andythenorth> hmm 20:48:25 <andythenorth> canât figure out if tile animations need a common factor or not 20:48:36 <andythenorth> seems to reduce a redraw failure :P 20:48:44 <andythenorth> but not wholly 20:48:57 * andythenorth wonders if itâs hax around badly defined bounding box values 20:49:04 <frosch123> can you make your question less abstract? :p 20:49:46 <frosch123> tile animation can be independent or synchronised 20:49:48 <andythenorth> current code for FIRS dairy: industry has two tiles 20:49:55 <andythenorth> one has animation length 6 20:50:00 <andythenorth> the other has animation length 6 * 7 20:50:29 <andythenorth> this wouldnât be defined that way by accident, whoever wrote it had a reason 20:50:41 <frosch123> so the first one repeat 7 times, while the second one runs once? 20:51:05 <andythenorth> both loop 20:54:03 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 20:57:38 <Supercheese> flags and smokestack eh 20:58:49 <andythenorth> I broke hg again 20:58:59 <andythenorth> I tried to do a branch switch with uncommitted changes 20:59:16 <andythenorth> that produced merge conflicts and no way to abort 20:59:22 <andythenorth> now my repo is in a horrible state 20:59:42 <andythenorth> what is the equivalent of reset âhard? 21:01:47 * andythenorth solves it with patch 21:01:52 *** chester_ [~chester@37-145-6-234.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:03:36 <andythenorth> oh 21:03:38 <andythenorth> not solved :( 21:03:46 <andythenorth> my repo is in an unresolved state 21:03:48 <andythenorth> I hate this VCS 21:04:10 <andythenorth> âbin your repo and clone a new oneâ is not a good design strategy 21:06:07 <andythenorth> fixed 21:09:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A182C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:40 <andythenorth> eh 21:10:51 <andythenorth> do FIRS Dairies really need to locate near towns? 21:11:06 <Supercheese> I wouldn't think so 21:11:12 *** DanMacK [~46189b5e@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:11:26 <Supercheese> it's cute but they could just as well be off in the middle of farmland 21:11:39 <andythenorth> exactly 21:12:20 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.255.168] has joined #openttd 21:18:34 <kamnet> Dairies don't need much farmland, though. Just a small pasture to let the cows air out. 21:18:48 <kamnet> But they are rather stinky. 21:19:22 <kamnet> Oh, wait, dairies, not dairy farms 21:19:53 <kamnet> Yeah dairies can pretty much be anywhere. Near source or right inside towns 21:20:52 <planetmaker> <andythenorth> âbin your repo and clone a new oneâ is not a good design strategy <-- sounds about like git then 21:21:39 <andythenorth> I dunno 21:21:42 <andythenorth> I never break git 21:21:49 <planetmaker> always happens to me 21:21:57 <andythenorth> you and me are different kinds of idiot :) 21:22:05 <andythenorth> I break hg 21:22:19 <planetmaker> kinda never happens to me ;) 21:22:41 <andythenorth> I am very careless with systems that are supposed to be usable by clueless people 21:22:56 <andythenorth> and I am very scared with systems labelled âexperts onlyâ 21:23:40 * andythenorth wonders why Iron Works uses the clustering code 21:23:47 <andythenorth> itâs a processing industry :P 21:26:51 <andythenorth> seems to be so it locates around iron mines 21:28:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:30:41 *** Marty [~Marty@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:03 <andythenorth> doesnât actually work very well in my tests 21:33:44 <frosch123> night 21:33:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f747e27.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:35:59 <andythenorth> also bye 21:36:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:39:26 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 21:53:52 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@80.202.66.144] has joined #openttd 21:55:26 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@80.202.66.144] has quit [] 22:44:06 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:09 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-171-146.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:19:13 <kamnet> everybody's asleep again. 23:19:40 <kamnet> Nobody rocks out all night like they used to. Jobs and stuff 23:36:07 <Supercheese> Well, it's early evening here in the States 23:36:07 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:27 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 23:49:17 <supermop> morning here 23:49:21 <supermop> doing taxes 23:49:29 <supermop> no 1099.... 23:49:30 <Supercheese> Hmm yeah I gotta do those too 23:49:46 <supermop> working as a freelancer in a foreign country is a pain 23:51:19 <supermop> need to figure out the ex. rate for each day that i submitted an invoice