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Log for #openttd on 17th April 2015:
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00:06:40  <supermop> yo
00:31:52  <supermop> i should do something with all of these old sprites
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02:15:20  <kamnet> Just release them and let other people work on them supermop
02:17:16  <kamnet> Free your mind, and the sprites will follow.
02:18:38  <Eddi|zuHause> sprites are overrated
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03:14:52  <supermop> alright
03:36:26  <supermop> can you code houses kamnet ?
03:36:44  <kamnet> No I can barely code at all
03:37:12  <supermop> damn
03:37:32  <kamnet> Heck it's been 2 years since I even messed with NFO, and the only NML I know is how to use the town names template LOL
03:38:01  <supermop> on the margins of this huge mlss pcx file are a handful of pseudo modernist/modular buildings
03:39:10  <supermop> not enoought for a house set, or to be worth drawing more, but it could work as an add on that adds a few more late 20th century buildings to whatever other houses you are playing with
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03:43:02  <supermop> i guess i'll break them out into some standardized pngs
03:45:11  <Pikkaphone> png pong
03:45:24  <supermop> sure why not
03:45:34  <Pikkaphone> How's it going?
03:46:13  <supermop> i found a handful of sort-of metabolist pixel drawn buildings on the margin of my big locomotive shed sheet
03:46:22  <supermop> from 4 years back or so
03:47:00  <supermop> i want to do a rendered proper metabolist thing eventually, but i feel like i should do something with these for now
03:48:42  <supermop> can buildings have 2cc?
03:48:53  <Pikkaphone> what can you do with a handful of buildings?
03:49:27  <Pikkaphone> Ummm I think so. buildings specify a recolor map directly, I don't see why they can't be the 2cc ones.
03:49:39  <supermop> add them on to other house sets to provide more variety than endless capsule towers and suspended tubes in the late game?
03:49:56  <Pikkaphone> splendid
03:50:04  <supermop> like a set that adds 6 more houses starting in the late 70s,
03:50:14  <supermop> or 6 in the 70s, 6 in the 2010s
03:50:39  <supermop> or capsule towers from 10,000 years ago, whatever people want i guess
03:51:44  <Pikkaphone> stone age metabolism
03:51:55  <Pikkaphone> http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-17/qld-rail-150th-birthday-locomotive-steam-train-bety/6400058 choo choo
03:52:21  <supermop> you ride it?
03:53:02  <Pikkaphone> Nope. sitting here waiting for a "fun" and "enjoyable" lecture
03:54:56  <supermop> what's your degree in?
03:56:08  <Pikkaphone> creative industries. Media and communication + interactive and visual design.
03:59:16  <supermop> neat
03:59:55  <Pikkaphone> some of the first year units are a bit of a drag. :) but I'll be done with them in a few weeks...
04:01:24  <supermop> yeah semester seems to be winding up already here
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04:01:39  <supermop> fiance is just off to class herself now
04:01:59  <supermop> some of these building will need to be chopped up
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05:25:25  <andythenorth> o/
05:25:51  <Pikkaphone> Yikes
05:26:27  <andythenorth> why are my early mornings full of Queenslanders :o
05:26:34  * andythenorth caught a mouse
05:26:36  <V453000> because no
05:29:01  <Pikkaphone> because it's 3.30 in the afternoon and I'm off to find some lunch, I'm starving!
05:29:35  <Pikkaphone> probably get disconnected in a second when I lose the wireless
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06:07:23  <supermop> damn nexus 5 power button
06:07:47  <supermop> i cant only get even halfway through booting this thing by continuously smacking it
06:29:16  <V453000> smack it more
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06:42:23  <kamnet> hehehe. smack it. smack it. hit it. hehehehe.
06:47:56  <V453000> wreck it break it bork it
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07:22:09  <supermop> seems i can order and solder on a new power button
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08:00:51  <planetmaker> moin
08:10:56  <supermop> yo planetmaker
08:25:44  <kamnet> good morning supermop and planetmaker
08:26:39  <kamnet> I had to get on Asus' case about my girlfriends' Nexus 7. Stopped charging, sent it in for warranty repair, they claimed that the charging port was damaged and voided the warranty.
08:27:19  <kamnet> I countered that if it was damaged it was because of a design fault and not user mistreatment, and if they didn't fix it under warranty I'd start giving them bad reviews, specifically about them dishonoring their own warranty.
08:27:34  <kamnet> A week later, brand new unit shows up, no charge.
08:28:26  <kamnet> I was particularly upset that they wanted to charge 4100 to perform the repair. That repair involves opening the case, removing a screw, unplugging the old power unit and screwing in a new  replacement.
08:28:36  <kamnet> charge 0, even.
08:41:03  <supermop> 00 to fix a nexus 7 would be a tad excessive
08:41:59  <planetmaker> :)
08:42:42  <supermop> hehe, penis string in infra sharing
08:42:56  <supermop> how'd that end up in there
08:51:31  <supermop> hmm managed to have a 13 gb recycle bin
08:54:46  <planetmaker> wtf?
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09:17:47  <supermop> drawing grey pixels to make a wall look like its concrete in 8b is excruciating
09:20:29  <Pikka> why 8bpp?
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09:27:58  <Flygon> supermop: Artists are the world's hardest worker :D
09:28:07  * Flygon currently 20-24fpsizing an animation loop
09:28:18  * Flygon managing around 4-5 frames a day inking alone
09:28:31  <supermop> Pikka: because i found these old sprites and got sucked into trying to fix them
09:54:32  <Flygon> GUYSGUUUYS
09:54:42  <Flygon> IT'S TIME TO DANCE TO AMP PLAINS!!!!
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10:02:08  <Pikka> meh :)
10:03:30  <Flygon> Pikka: I changed tracks already
10:03:36  <Flygon> I'm now up to some sort of deserty track
10:03:40  <Flygon> I forgot what stage it is
10:03:49  <Flygon> They're unlabelled
10:04:06  <Flygon> Streaming without knowing what your music even is
10:04:14  <Flygon> i shur am akspert
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10:18:35  * andythenorth ponders Australian Horse
10:18:38  <andythenorth> Iron Kangaroo
10:18:54  <andythenorth> Iron Wallaby
10:23:19  <andythenorth> Iron Drop Bear
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10:37:55  <Pikka> Iron Mate
10:38:17  <Pikka> Iron Bark?
10:38:47  <andythenorth> Iron Gday
10:39:12  <Pikka> Iron Cobber
10:40:26  <Pikka> Iron Soup
10:40:38  <andythenorth> Iron Over-priced Coffee
10:40:42  <andythenorth> Brisbane special
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10:40:52  <andythenorth> offended him
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10:41:22  <Pikka> Iron Bruce?
10:44:23  <andythenorth> Iron Flaming Galar
11:01:51  <Eddi|zuHause> Upside Down Horse?
11:02:11  <andythenorth> dead horse
11:02:19  <andythenorth> flog it
11:06:46  <kamnet> I leave that to the Republicans. Nasty work.
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13:16:53  <V453000> xd the bridge heads also have the recolour mask
13:16:55  <V453000> fucking hell
13:17:03  <V453000> XD
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13:34:42  <V453000> ok rawr code just exceeded 1 million characters :D
13:37:12  <planetmaker> using extra long file paths? :D
13:37:23  <V453000> ,"gfx/BRIDGES_0000.png","gfx/BRIDGES_mask_8bpp.png") } :d
13:37:26  <V453000> aint that long
13:38:15  <planetmaker> <V453000> ,"gfx/super-duper-long/ehanced_view/try42/withextra-excess/BRIDGES_0000.png","gfx/super-duper-long/ehanced_view/try42/withextra-excess/BRIDGES_0000.png") } ;)
13:38:34  <V453000> nay :D everything is in one HUGE image :D
13:38:42  <planetmaker> :-O
13:38:44  <V453000> ... actually a couple images but yeah
13:38:49  <V453000> a couple HUGE images XD
13:39:00  <V453000> after effects cant have compositions larger than 30x30 thousand pixels :(
13:41:11  <V453000> 1m characters seem to be like 13k lines
13:41:13  <V453000> so it isnt that bad :P
13:41:31  <V453000> nuts has 2,8M characters
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13:54:12  <V453000> btw I added some moar sprites and I am getting memory errors again XD but when I hit compile again, it works ... probably because it caches in the first run and then continues :D so not a real problem
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14:13:26  <kamnet> This is so me: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/code_quality.png
14:13:33  <planetmaker> V453000, you should document them slightly better than "memory errors". It would need a possibility to try to reproduce that. Or at least get the exact message
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16:15:57  <Flygon> God
16:15:58  <Flygon> Dammit
16:15:59  <Flygon> kamnet
16:16:04  <Flygon> You lead me to reading What-If
16:16:12  <Flygon> and I ignored the warning on #136
16:16:16  <Flygon> Now I'm gonna have nightmares
16:17:02  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i haven't read what-if in ages
16:17:51  <kamnet> HA
16:18:03  <kamnet> I actually read the whole case study
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16:28:20  <Eddi|zuHause> oh. i've never been afraid of spiders...
16:28:34  <Eddi|zuHause> spiders are our friends
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16:31:10  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what-if seems to have been a bit more crude on estimations in the past... like i'd have expected a "let's assume all the biomass on the earth is spiders"...
16:32:37  <andythenorth> that’s silly
16:32:43  <andythenorth> all the biomass on earth is cats
16:33:01  <andythenorth> “where is biomass?"
16:38:23  <Alberth> distributed over earth
16:38:40  * andythenorth adds ‘biomass’ to FIRS
16:38:44  <andythenorth> consolidates the farm cargos
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16:39:28  <Eddi|zuHause> accomodated both living and dead cows? :p
16:41:28  <Flygon> Eddi
16:41:30  <Flygon> I'm Australian
16:41:38  <Flygon> I have a dedicated anti-spider Flamethrower
16:41:40  <Flygon> I call it Sally
16:42:40  <andythenorth> everyone is Australian
16:46:38  <Alberth> hi mate
16:47:57  <kamnet> I swear, I'm going to drive over to my doctor's office, rip somebody's arms out of their sockets and beat them with it.
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17:02:14  <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: that makes sense, because in australia, everything that moves wants to kill you.
17:02:41  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like a civilised country in europe...
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17:31:37  <kamnet> Especially the trains. They're dangerous.
17:32:01  <kamnet> They can run down and eat a gazelle in a quarter mile.
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18:05:25  <andythenorth> @seen danmack
18:05:25  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 22 hours, 5 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
18:06:03  <Eddi|zuHause> now all you have to do is go to bed in 2 hours 4 minutes
18:06:47  <andythenorth> I can manage that
18:07:24  <Eddi|zuHause> we all knew that :p
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18:08:01  <andythenorth> ‘all’ is a strong claim
18:08:05  <andythenorth> as is ‘knew'
18:08:16  <andythenorth> I skipped the philosophy classes on ‘knew'
18:08:30  <andythenorth> in fact, I skipped most philosophy classes
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18:09:15  <Alberth> o/
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18:13:00  <frosch123> hai
18:14:42  <andythenorth> quak etc
18:14:51  <andythenorth> how can the game be better?
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18:15:57  <peter1138> Rewrite.
18:17:02  <andythenorth> ho
18:17:05  <andythenorth> voxels?
18:17:38  <peter1138> Cubicles?
18:17:48  <andythenorth> isn’t that a brand name for voxels?
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18:21:45  <Eddi|zuHause> what does your philosophy lecture about "brand" say?
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18:23:27  <andythenorth> I didn’t go
18:23:35  <andythenorth> fortunately I’ve had a career in advertising
18:23:38  <andythenorth> ish
18:23:45  <andythenorth> so I have my own brand philosophy
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18:35:50  * andythenorth ponders
18:35:59  <andythenorth> can we put a power grid into OpenTTD?
18:36:24  <andythenorth> or more specifically, can we put an arbitrary value grid into OpenTTD?
18:36:47  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean, like a linkgraph?
18:37:14  <Eddi|zuHause> in any case, "can we.." is the wrong question
18:37:20  <andythenorth> well yes, words
18:37:56  <andythenorth> per tile, or per 16 tile block or whatever works, some values
18:38:02  <andythenorth> 16 would be enough
18:38:13  <andythenorth> for hacks, like electricity, other power
18:38:20  <Eddi|zuHause> you're probably looking for a game script
18:38:21  <andythenorth> also possibly cargo demand / pricing
18:38:26  <andythenorth> yes, probably GS
18:38:51  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, a GS won't do it, if you don't have the right interfaces
18:39:08  <andythenorth> interfaces are the problem, e.g. newgrf industry
18:39:15  <andythenorth> and others
18:40:19  <Eddi|zuHause> you need a detached interface. a GS cannot provide new pricing values on each delivery, like a NewGRF callback could do. instead you need to store a variable somewhere in the game, that the default calculation (or a newgrf calculation) can pick up on
18:40:52  * andythenorth wonders about the much-unused town newgrf stuff
18:40:54  <Eddi|zuHause> GS is good on periodic updates, not on immediate reaction
18:41:18  <Eddi|zuHause> you shouldn't think in NewGRFs if you're developing a GS
18:41:35  <andythenorth> how much of this is done?
18:41:36  <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Town_Control
18:41:48  <Eddi|zuHause> you need to work it out with the default calculations
18:42:33  * andythenorth wonders about town persistent storage
18:42:39  <andythenorth> and if GS can read it yet
18:42:44  <andythenorth> probably not
18:43:02  <Eddi|zuHause> again. you cannot ever mix the two thoughts. it's never going to work out
18:43:04  <andythenorth> this discussion is about a feature seeking a use case btw :P
18:44:22  <andythenorth> I have a vague idea about a GS that builds new towns based on establishing power stations + delivering to them
18:44:30  <andythenorth> but eh, no idea how to do it
18:45:11  <andythenorth> hmm this fish is dead
18:45:11  <Eddi|zuHause> https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-32190
18:47:19  <andythenorth> ammonia test is yellow (fine)
18:49:02  <andythenorth> nitrate is blue (fine)
18:49:12  <andythenorth> nitrite is fine
18:49:42  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe 't was the cat?
18:49:47  <andythenorth> dunno
18:49:51  <andythenorth> the cat is not ours
18:49:53  <andythenorth> it sneaks in
18:50:01  <andythenorth> maybe it was the mouse
18:50:03  <Eddi|zuHause> does the cat know that?
18:50:07  <andythenorth> caught a mouse in the house last night
18:50:42  <andythenorth> kids also said they saw a ‘big mouse'
18:50:47  <andythenorth> which last time meant a rat
18:50:51  <andythenorth> a rat as big as the cat
18:51:20  <andythenorth> hmm high range pH looks ok, but one dead fish, and the rest are arguing with each other
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18:54:52  <andythenorth> hmm fish is not dead
18:54:59  * andythenorth puts it in clove oil
19:03:36  <andythenorth> or not
19:03:44  <andythenorth> it swam off
19:13:43  <kamnet> Glad fish is alive
19:14:18  <andythenorth> might not live
19:14:21  <andythenorth> fed it some peas
19:14:23  <andythenorth> laxative
19:14:27  <andythenorth> eh we’ll see
19:14:32  <andythenorth> bloody pets
19:16:54  <kamnet> I have a cat. The struggle is real.
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19:25:28  <Wolf01> o/
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19:32:03  <kamnet> Evening wolf
19:46:39  <frosch123> has anyone played stardrive2 ?
19:47:01  <frosch123> it looks very similar to master of orion
19:49:19  <andythenorth> considering this
19:49:19  <andythenorth> http://www.gratuitousspacebattles2.com
19:49:28  <andythenorth> "Bringing back explodiness"
19:51:35  <frosch123> that does not look like master of orion :p
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22:04:46  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:52:37  <kamnet|AFK> Is it bedtime yet?
23:54:24  <Eddi|zuHause> probably 3 hours ago...

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