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06:07:18  <supermop> more height levels makes me really want a log flume
06:20:39  <Flygon> More height levels makes me want more advanced water, but
06:20:47  <Flygon> I don't have enough money to donate for that feature xP
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06:49:46  <supermop> andy: flumes
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07:14:22  <Supercheese> just code "Deep water" as a newobject
07:14:26  <Supercheese> randomly place some at mapgen
07:14:30  <Supercheese> bob's your uncle
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07:24:27  <planetmaker> Flygon, donating for a feature works badly in a society where people do stuff for their own pleasure :D
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07:57:38  <Flygon> planetmaker: 0,000USD can be extremely convincing :B
07:57:39  <Flygon> Mek?
07:57:44  <Flygon> Same guy as the artist?
07:59:18  <V453000> k where do you get 0k  :D
08:00:31  <Supercheese> damn, I'd do it for that kind of money
08:03:11  <Flygon> Uuuuh
08:03:14  <Flygon> ...
08:03:18  <Flygon> I wish I had it
08:03:24  <Flygon> Then I could afford 1/3rd of the average home in Melbourne
08:03:28  <Supercheese> I'd do it for half that :B
08:03:32  <Flygon> Or 1/5th of one in Sydney :B
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08:05:31  <supermop> with 600k why buy an average home,
08:06:12  <supermop> if you had that much cash on hand for a downpayment you could get a mortgage for something much crazier
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09:32:02  <Flygon> supermop: xP
09:32:07  <Flygon> Oh he DC'd
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13:09:54  <supermop> why do 2ccnml boxcars not refit in station
13:10:25  <supermop> a box car is the one thing that absolutely should refit anywhere
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13:33:46  <planetmaker> supermop, probably no-one taught that to the wagons. It needs special handling by a NewGRF
13:34:03  <supermop> yeah
13:34:39  <supermop> but  assumed that a set as current as the 2cc set would have it
13:35:15  <supermop> this little farm - terminal - sugar refinery train doesnt really work as is
13:36:57  <supermop> was hoping to take beets and grain to the terminal, transfer grain, and pick up mnsp in its place, unload at refinery and pick up food,
13:37:18  <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing i ever see of 2ccset is new vehicles drawn... never any coding updates
13:37:32  <supermop> transfer food at terminal and pick up farm supplies
13:37:37  <supermop> sigh
13:38:03  <Eddi|zuHause> just attach a wagon dedicated for supplies...
13:38:10  <supermop> even with refitting in depot there is no way to return to half of the cars with sugar beet and half with grain
13:38:15  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't need a lot of them anyway
13:38:37  <supermop> yeah ive added two flat cars for that
13:39:13  <supermop> but depot refitting the boxcars to food then loses the grain/beet distinction in the depot at the other end
13:40:57  <keoz> hi
13:41:33  <supermop> hi
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15:06:57  <Eddi|zuHause> RIP james last
15:10:22  <Flygon> Eddi: About the coding updates thing
15:10:24  <Flygon> On one hand
15:10:34  <Flygon> I wanna see a modern GUI based '.grf maker'
15:10:38  <Flygon> On the other hand
15:10:44  <Flygon> I know what a disaster it can easily end up being anyway
15:12:48  <Eddi|zuHause> what does that have to do with anything?
15:13:20  <Eddi|zuHause> if there ever is a "GRF Maker" it would hardly cater for the needs of a set like 2cc
15:14:55  <Flygon> Sorry, brain went everywhere x.x
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16:09:48  <Alberth> quak
16:09:53  <frosch123> moin
16:10:10  <planetmaker> evenink
16:15:31  <planetmaker> https://www.openttd.org/en/download-catcodec seems to offer no binaries at all... did we have some at one stage?
16:17:48  <frosch123> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/extra/catcodec/1.0.0/index.html <- there are some :)
16:18:12  <frosch123> 1.0.4 and 1.0.5 have none
16:18:18  <planetmaker> hm... why...?
16:18:42  <frosch123> no idea, when did we change compile farms
16:18:59  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, ! We need binaries for catcodec :) They seem not to be built for ages :D
16:19:14  <frosch123> maybe it never ran on a vm, and someone just scp'd the sources
16:19:15  <Eddi|zuHause> probably nobody ever tried to download these :p
16:19:25  <planetmaker> or tried and didn't tell
16:19:29  <frosch123> planetmaker: who wants to do a soundset? :p
16:19:34  <planetmaker> source download is available
16:20:01  <planetmaker> frosch123, we got an e-mail to info@. I guess he just sent e-mails to lots of projects... but who knows
16:20:17  <frosch123> planetmaker: anyway, all that catcodec is definitely very special
16:20:19  <Eddi|zuHause> do soundsets actually need catcodec?
16:20:25  <frosch123> we have no tags for "extra" stuff afaik
16:20:34  <frosch123> so, i would not work on the farm in any case
16:20:35  <planetmaker> at least his music he makes seems good to me. And he says he makes sounds, too
16:20:59  <planetmaker> well, but we should get binary downloads for catcodec
16:20:59  <frosch123> planetmaker: does it say to open an attachment? :p
16:21:10  <planetmaker> :D the e-mail? No
16:21:23  <Eddi|zuHause> only do that if the attachment is a ".pdf.exe" :p
16:21:38  <planetmaker> though I think that he rather hopes to sell his music than make a free sound and/or music set :D
16:22:00  <frosch123> planetmaker: i think the source bundle only exists for distros
16:22:05  <planetmaker> he links to his samples on soundcloud/facebook/g+/....
16:22:26  <planetmaker> frosch123, yes, but windoze has no distributor which builds it :)
16:22:30  <planetmaker> nor osx
16:37:56  <Rubidium> ever check the differences of catcodec 1.0.4 and 1.0.5?
16:38:31  <Rubidium> +ed
16:48:33  <Rubidium> in any case, the hassle to make new binaries significantly outweighs the need for those applications
16:49:16  <Rubidium> for example, you are the first to notice in almost 4 years
16:49:44  <planetmaker> Rubidium, however, if those binaries are not there, it's a *significant* hassle for anyone to even try anything in that direction
16:49:56  <planetmaker> and we do not offer any download for catcodec which anyone can find
16:50:27  <planetmaker> the link which frosch found on our mirror (or knowledge how to access old versions) is probably limited to a select few people
16:50:43  <planetmaker> we nowhere tell how to access old versions of our binaries
16:50:53  <Rubidium> ... that's still a wish for the download page; a list of previous versions
16:51:34  <planetmaker> and offering no binary for the latest version - how should people then assume that there's one in the 5th newest?
16:51:51  <Rubidium> there's ones for 1.0.3 as well
16:52:06  <planetmaker> ok, 3rd newest
16:52:58  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: is catcodec compatible with the CF? :D
16:53:10  <planetmaker> I have no clue
16:53:23  <TrueBrain> I answered my own question because of the smiley ;)
16:53:29  <Rubidium> probably
16:54:09  <Rubidium> it has a findversion.sh and makefiles with bundle_gzip and friends
16:55:44  <TrueBrain> omg, who did that!? :P
16:55:49  <TrueBrain> *gets a riffle*
16:55:51  <TrueBrain> hihi :)
16:56:14  <Alberth> I do hope it's not self :)
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17:01:01  <Eddi|zuHause> according to wikipedia, a riffle is a low-speed, high-turbulence flowing pattern of rivers over shallow areas
17:02:22  <Eddi|zuHause> (german: Stromschnelle)
17:02:29  <TrueBrain> that indeed is what I meant
17:02:33  <TrueBrain> tnx for clarifying
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17:17:04  <ub_umstieg> hi all  Question Versions bevor 1.5 did renew the busses themself  if emty in depo  now i getting infos that  vihivels getting very old
17:17:24  <ub_umstieg> is there a entry somewhere that makes this 6month bevor and after
17:17:48  <Alberth> 1.5 did not change any of that
17:17:59  <ub_umstieg> or do i need to put them all by hand in to depo for renew
17:18:23  <Alberth> you may want to check the autorenew setting in the game
17:18:41  <ub_umstieg> where are they
17:19:07  <Alberth> where the advanced settings used to be
17:19:18  <Alberth> "advanced" just got removed
17:20:15  <ub_umstieg> there is nothing in settings that is related to reew
17:20:23  <ub_umstieg> renew
17:20:26  <Alberth> the "options button" https://wiki.openttd.org/Game_interface#The_Menu_bar
17:21:09  <ub_umstieg> ah i see there are now categories
17:21:20  <ub_umstieg> Thanks learning by doiing
17:23:07  <Alberth> could you please first check before stating that things do not exist?
17:25:02  <ub_umstieg> Thanks i find it
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17:26:01  <Alberth> right
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18:34:43  <andythenorth> o/
18:43:47  <Alberth> hi hi
18:44:44  <andythenorth> playing a game
18:44:46  <andythenorth> finding bugs :P
18:45:20  <Alberth> first add bugs, then play and find them :p
18:47:44  <andythenorth> eh
18:47:50  <andythenorth> Iron Horse ‘make install’ doesn’t
18:47:55  <andythenorth> cp: mynewgrf.grf: No such file or directory
18:48:38  <planetmaker> :)
18:48:47  <planetmaker> I think the install target is bonkers anyway
18:48:54  <andythenorth> it is? o_O
18:49:06  <andythenorth> I fixed it by reverting my Makefile changes
18:49:10  <planetmaker> well. I simply linked my newgrf dev dir to the openttd newgrf dir
18:49:10  <andythenorth> whatever they were :P
18:49:22  <planetmaker> thus everything I dev is automatically available. Without any additional step
18:49:55  <planetmaker> and thus... the install target is probably unmaintained for like 2...3 years at least
18:50:04  <planetmaker> rather... like forever :D
18:50:08  <planetmaker> I never really used it
18:50:16  <Alberth> :)
18:50:28  <planetmaker> and should never have added it, in retrospect
18:50:43  <andythenorth> dunno
18:50:47  <andythenorth> it’s a convention no?
18:50:57  * andythenorth is bad at symlinks
18:51:00  <andythenorth> way complicated
18:51:01  <planetmaker> well... yes... that's why I added it
18:51:38  <planetmaker> no complicated at all... ln -s /path/to/real/file /path/to/where/it/should/be
18:51:48  <planetmaker> or vice versa :P I always forget
18:52:02  <Alberth> just like cp,   old_file new_file
18:52:02  <Eddi|zuHause> what is so complicated in "make install"? just copy the file...
18:52:37  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, knowing which file(s). And knowing where to copy to :)
18:52:52  <planetmaker> the latter is definitely dependent on your OS
18:54:41  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, just symlinking your dev directory isn't enough. because once you started a game, you need to make a copy of the grf so you can reuse the same version to continue the game
18:55:23  <Eddi|zuHause> like, i keep several old versions of firs around, just in case.
18:55:38  <andythenorth> I have bazillions :P
18:55:39  <andythenorth> or 9
18:57:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i have a firs.grf, a test/firs.grf and a test/firs.old.grf
18:57:58  <Eddi|zuHause> and a loisachkirchen/firs.grf which is probably the same as one of these other 3
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19:18:41  <Wolf01> hi hi o/
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19:25:00  <Alberth> moin
19:39:41  * andythenorth fixes
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21:26:33  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:06:20  <EXetoC> yo when we be getting unity port with stereoscopic rendering?
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23:32:27  <Eddi|zuHause> right after the oculus rift port
23:33:32  <EXetoC> yay
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