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09:59:05  <supermop_> yo
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10:27:00  <supermop_> up to 27 beers on my antippodal beer countdown
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10:54:05  <planetmaker> per day that's an astonishing count :D
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11:01:59  <supermop_> haha
11:02:32  <supermop_> trying to try one new australian or kiwi beer per day until I leave
11:02:43  <supermop_> but i am only managing 2-3 aa week
11:25:49  <supermop_> newest manpower industries and ukrs is killing me
11:26:00  <supermop_> reduced payments, high costs,
11:26:08  <supermop_> pretty challanging
11:26:42  <supermop_> idk why i built an ohle EMU line as first line instead of some coal or steel thing
11:28:19  <Flygon> I really wanna meet supermop. But I really don't know what I'd do beyond shake his hand then don't know what to do. x.x
11:28:52  <supermop_> i think you are giving me a bit too much credit
11:30:35  <supermop_> i am not that remarkable esp regarding my presence in melbourne
11:34:04  <Flygon> You're still extremely cool
11:34:15  <Flygon> And there's not many OTTDers in Melbourne
11:34:21  <Flygon> All the Aussies are in Sydney for some reason
11:35:12  <supermop_> just going to quietly turn off infrastructure maintenance for a couple years
11:35:58  <supermop_> im flattered but it's certainly quite the assumption to argue my 'coolness'
11:36:41  <Flygon> There's an xkcd comic about this somewhere
11:37:18  <planetmaker> just meet and you'll find out that you two are just normal guys which happen to share a similar passion :)
12:01:22  <__ln__> but Christopher Lee is dead
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15:49:11  <NumberNoid> hia
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15:49:30  <NumberNoid> is there a command in the routing for planes to use whichever airport is less busy?
15:49:37  <NumberNoid> i.e. in the goto window
15:52:28  <NumberNoid> or, a custom airport newgfr
15:52:38  <planetmaker> no, there's no such information available
15:54:29  <NumberNoid> how hardcoded are the airports?
15:54:54  <Eddi|zuHause> quite
15:54:56  <NumberNoid> i.e. does the "pathfinding" of the airports depend on code or something else?
15:55:27  <Eddi|zuHause> there is no "pathfinding" for planes. they go straight to the entry point of the waiting loop for the specified destination airport
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15:55:56  <Eddi|zuHause> then the airport has a hardcoded path for that waiting loop
15:56:02  <NumberNoid> I mean when landed how does the plane know where it needs to go
15:56:21  <Eddi|zuHause> the airport decides all that via a state machine
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16:01:21  <NumberNoid> are there any NewGFR's for creating your own airports or that offer larger ones?
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16:02:03  <Eddi|zuHause> no. that was proposed, but never implemented
16:02:26  <planetmaker> but mostly on grounds of the difficulty to decide on sane specs
16:04:44  <NumberNoid> :(
16:05:01  <NumberNoid> now somehow Im going to have to reroute like 100 planes to use the other airport
16:05:25  <planetmaker> don't you use vehicle groups?
16:05:31  <NumberNoid> not really
16:05:36  <NumberNoid> I gave up
16:09:23  <Eddi|zuHause> use shared orders...
16:09:33  <NumberNoid> I used them in like one save but it was annoying to add all of them to the group every time I bought new ones
16:10:06  <Eddi|zuHause> use Ctrl while cloning to automatically add them to the group, and use shared orders, and everything
16:10:32  <NumberNoid> t'd be nice to be create a group from a common destination path
16:10:48  <planetmaker> add one vehicle and the add all with the same orders
16:11:07  <NumberNoid> how does one do that?
16:12:28  <Alberth> hi hi
16:13:03  <Eddi|zuHause> ... by using shared orders
16:13:26  <Alberth> and reading the wiki https://wiki.openttd.org/Vehicle_groups
16:13:59  <NumberNoid> clicking on "add shared veichles doesnt do anything
16:14:08  <planetmaker> then they are not shared
16:14:13  <planetmaker> but just use the same orders
16:14:19  <NumberNoid> yeah
16:14:30  <NumberNoid> so do I have to manually add every singe one?
16:15:15  <Eddi|zuHause> really, the solution to your problem is shared orders.
16:15:19  <Alberth> afaik, yes, but normally you do that while buying them
16:15:46  <NumberNoid> ._.
16:16:41  <NumberNoid> so best solution would be to sell and rebuy?
16:17:12  <Alberth> you'd have to sell them individually  as well
16:17:22  <Alberth> it's easier to let them share orders instead
16:17:58  <planetmaker> select a vehicle and goto + ctrl + click on the vehicle it's supposed to share orders with
16:18:18  <NumberNoid> Ill do that
16:18:38  <Alberth> https://wiki.openttd.org/Orders#Copy_Orders
16:19:04  <Alberth> in particular the "second orders" below that
16:31:42  <NumberNoid> does the guy who makes av8 set still update it?
16:34:42  <NumberNoid> nvm
16:34:53  <NumberNoid> anyway, thanks for the help
16:34:58  <Alberth> yw
16:35:17  <Alberth> I don't play with aircraft, too boring :)
16:36:33  <NumberNoid> I like aircraft personally because they are carefree once oyu get them going
16:36:37  <NumberNoid> and they're fast
16:36:52  <NumberNoid> on the other hand I hate using veichles
16:36:56  <Alberth> but a good indication of 'update' is looking at the release date of the newest version
16:37:07  <NumberNoid> I guess
16:37:29  <Alberth> I like to tinker with the setup, and aircraft doesn't allow that
16:37:46  <NumberNoid> also, any way to make multiple airports per destination?
16:38:03  <NumberNoid> i.e.
16:38:18  <NumberNoid> edit source code and reconpile without too much effort, or is it that hardcoded?
16:38:31  <NumberNoid> Ive went on a question spree :P
16:38:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand the question
16:38:55  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean join airports as one station?
16:38:58  <NumberNoid> yeah
16:39:02  <NumberNoid> so I can have like 2 airports
16:39:09  <Eddi|zuHause> afair, someone started that, but it wasn't finished
16:39:29  <Eddi|zuHause> the whole concept of waiting loops has to be reconsidered for that to work properly
16:39:34  <NumberNoid> also, why do some cities don't grow
16:39:38  <NumberNoid> like atall
16:39:42  <NumberNoid> when you have a station
16:40:03  <Eddi|zuHause> one single station does not provide a lot of growth, you need multiple (about 5)
16:40:22  <Eddi|zuHause> best done by sending a few busses in circles
16:40:33  <NumberNoid> but some cities grow with only one airport
16:40:39  <Eddi|zuHause> also, in desert/snow you need food and water
16:40:44  <Alberth> depending on climate there can be additional conditions
16:40:46  <NumberNoid> playing in temperate
16:41:21  <Eddi|zuHause> towns that have "(city)" in the town window, when you click on the name, grow faster
16:41:55  <Eddi|zuHause> but the 5-station-rule also applies to them
16:42:08  <NumberNoid> it sort of has growth "farts"
16:42:12  <NumberNoid> my other cities don't have that
16:43:00  <Eddi|zuHause> the station doesn't have to be near the city to be counted, it also applies to industries you serve nearby, as long as the station has the town in its name
16:43:09  <NumberNoid> oh, right
16:43:11  <NumberNoid> never knew that
16:43:20  * NumberNoid has played Openttd for about 2 years
16:43:33  <Eddi|zuHause> 2... 20... who cares?
16:43:51  <Eddi|zuHause> you can also do things wrong for 20 years :p
16:43:59  <NumberNoid> I guess
16:44:15  * NumberNoid glares over at the government
16:45:30  <NumberNoid> any way to add/remove newgfr's to and from an existing savefile?
16:47:31  <Eddi|zuHause> no. (or is there...?)
16:48:00  <Eddi|zuHause> (imagine this in a dramatic voice)
16:48:38  <NumberNoid> lol
16:48:48  <NumberNoid> steam sale in 12 mins
16:50:02  <Alberth> I doubt I have enough money to buy steam
16:52:45  <planetmaker> I can sell you some steam. How many equivalent litres of water do you need?
16:53:11  <planetmaker> I'd even make you a special offer, for friends and OpenTTD devs only. Both boni even stack
16:53:35  <Alberth> :)
16:56:21  <Alberth> in that context 0.2..0.4 l of hot water, with some spice-extract would be enough :)
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17:00:58  <NumberNoid> how is a .sav file stored?
17:01:04  <NumberNoid> is it a rehash of a .zip file?
17:02:29  <peter1138> No, totally custom format.
17:02:35  <peter1138> Binary at that.
17:03:39  <NumberNoid> well looks like im not editing that
17:03:49  <NumberNoid> is there any like save editor?
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17:04:23  <Alberth> yes, it's called OpenTTD
17:04:35  <Alberth> you can't edit everything though
17:04:53  <NumberNoid> lol
17:05:06  <NumberNoid> I mean editing things that you cant edit
17:08:30  <NumberNoid> its time
17:08:31  <NumberNoid> http://gaben.tv
17:08:40  <Alberth> that sounds pretty impossible
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17:09:40  <NumberNoid> "Sorry
17:09:40  <NumberNoid>  The Steam Store is experiencing some heavy load right now. Please try again later."
17:09:46  <NumberNoid> my life has been ruined
17:10:18  <glx> of course, everybody is pressing F5 :)
17:11:22  <peter1138> That moment when something (X-Plane) is 50% off, and it's still over £20...
17:11:28  <NumberNoid> yeah
17:11:31  <NumberNoid> I have xplane 10
17:11:46  <NumberNoid> you need a pHD to play that thing
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17:12:03  <peter1138> Nah, point & go :p
17:12:09  <NumberNoid> its very fun though
17:12:17  <NumberNoid> especially SPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEE
17:12:24  <NumberNoid> sent a A380 up there
17:14:32  <peter1138> FSX is okay but slow and crashy :(
17:14:41  <peter1138> FlightGear is pretty rubbish.
17:14:51  <peter1138> So maybe I need XP10
17:15:02  <NumberNoid> FSX flight model is junk
17:15:21  <NumberNoid> flightgear is the definition of dissapointment
17:16:27  <peter1138> So the game is, will it be 75%/80% off at some point... heh
17:16:30  <peter1138> *gamble
17:16:35  <NumberNoid> eh
17:16:37  <NumberNoid> unlikley
17:17:07  <NumberNoid> why is 50% off for everything
17:17:13  <NumberNoid> like
17:17:21  <NumberNoid> usually 75% off is the standard
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17:46:56  <peter1138> Urgh... add on planes with crappy flight models...
17:47:32  <peter1138> Just turned a Dash 7 around really tightly.
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18:04:54  <andythenorth> o/
18:06:07  <Alberth> moin
18:11:06  <andythenorth> how is cat?
18:12:48  <andythenorth> interesting
18:13:01  <andythenorth> ‘refit any available’ order creates linkgraph entries for every cargo
18:13:14  <andythenorth> which leads to _slightly_ spurious map display
18:16:48  <Alberth> :)
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18:29:56  <Wolf01> o/
18:30:06  * andythenorth has been playing a lot of OpenTTD
18:30:09  <andythenorth> it’s pretty good eh?
18:31:41  <Alberth> I hear that a lot
18:31:59  <SpComb> I think it's boring, not realistic enough
18:32:44  <Alberth> and real life isn't boring?
18:39:30  <SpComb> yes, I want to be able to schedule bathroom breaks for my train drivers
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18:52:21  <Eddi|zuHause> <NumberNoid> usually 75% off is the standard <-- usually "<season> sale" means 50% off most things, and random things get 75% off at some time during the sale
18:52:35  <Eddi|zuHause> also, new titles tend to get less off, like 15% or 25%
18:52:56  <Eddi|zuHause> and more indie-titles also don't get that much off
18:54:50  <Eddi|zuHause> but since x-plane is already a daily deal, it's probably not going to get any cheaper this round...
19:00:35  <NumberNoid> Eddi|zuHause I guess
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19:21:54  <andythenorth> it’s really hard to make non-blocking multiway junctions near stations :P
19:22:03  <andythenorth> and without escape depots and suh
19:22:05  <andythenorth> such *
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19:26:00  <andythenorth> this blocks quite often https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7347/Wafflebury%20Transport,%2001-05-2007.png
19:26:13  <andythenorth> :D
19:26:24  <andythenorth> it’s not blocked in that screenie
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19:36:27  <Alberth> looks quite minal :)
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20:35:36  <Wolf01> I... I don't know what happened... I was starting a game and 3 minutes after I pressed the "purchase" button on steam o_O
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21:56:12  <Wolf01> 'night
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