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01:00:16 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:34 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:48:51 <supermop> hello 02:08:43 *** EXetoC [~exe@109-124-185-221.customer.t3.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:33 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-101-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:17:55 <supermop> hi Pikka 02:18:06 <Pikka> bongiorno 02:18:27 <supermop> nice and warm up there? 02:18:49 <Pikka> mm I wouldn't go that far :) 02:19:45 <supermop> nicer that here perhaps 02:27:09 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:44:40 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d820da0.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 02:45:20 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:51:38 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x5d822781.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:34:13 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.96.175] has quit [Quit: www.AdiIRC.com - not made by microsoft.] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66D58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66C2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:12:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 06:23:23 <peter1138> Pretty damn warm here :( 06:23:57 <supermop> where's there? 06:24:12 <peter1138> Mid-UK. 06:25:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:29:49 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:32:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 06:42:49 *** Goddesen [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:43:37 *** Goddesen [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 06:59:32 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 07:00:25 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [] 07:00:27 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 07:49:35 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:49:39 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:09:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 08:13:01 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:23 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:18:23 *** APTX_ [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 08:20:24 *** APTX [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 08:37:58 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:38 *** khalil [~khalil@197.6.159.180] has joined #openttd 09:24:01 <khalil> Hey, I have a question 09:24:30 <khalil> Error: Cannot open file 'innerhighlight.grf' 09:24:48 <khalil> I got that error when trying to launch the game 09:25:01 <khalil> after compiling it 09:29:34 *** khalil [~khalil@197.6.159.180] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:31:11 *** khalilkacem [~khalil@197.6.159.180] has joined #openttd 09:54:13 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 09:56:56 <Flygon> Sad thing is 09:56:58 <Flygon> When I read that 09:57:06 <Flygon> I actually thought it was a Ragnarok Online derp 09:58:37 *** khalilkacem [~khalil@197.6.159.180] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:55:01 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:56:11 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.154.136.201] has joined #openttd 10:56:34 <planetmaker> Flygon, sounds like you compiled a patch pack which requires a grf file but didn't provide it 10:57:07 <Flygon> I meant khalil's problem 10:57:09 <planetmaker> err... same colour. Sorry :) yes 10:57:11 <Flygon> I got no problems my end xP 10:57:22 <planetmaker> more tea... 10:57:27 <Flygon> Tho, RO's client handled .grf problems horridly 10:57:36 <planetmaker> RO? 10:57:52 <Flygon> And then you consider the patcher would sometimes forget to download and repack certain files into the main .grf... 10:57:56 <Flygon> Ragnarok Online 10:58:12 <Flygon> Been using some sort of compressed .grf type file since 2001 xP 10:58:23 <Flygon> No relation to OTTD's format, just the same file extension 10:59:29 <Flygon> But, yeah. It really likes to crash when some .grfs are missing :B 10:59:39 <Flygon> Because, when you're Korean 10:59:50 <Flygon> Error handlers that insert dummies don't exist :B 11:01:23 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 11:02:36 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:59 <Rejf> good morning train fans. train GIF for you ;) http://gfycat.com/PowerfulThornyCanine 11:16:50 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what a terrible way to make a gif out of something... 11:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, if you're making a video of this position, try to capture the whole journey of the train from when the first part exits the tunnel, till the last part of the train exits the picture. to convey the actual hugeness of the train 11:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of a handful of frames, that basically show nothing that a still picture wouldn't show you as well 11:21:10 <Rejf> Eddi|zuHause: agree 11:56:09 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:05:31 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:06:44 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:29 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-101-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:36 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:11 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-101-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:56:11 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:52 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:17:33 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:12 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.119.102] has joined #openttd 13:39:20 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-101-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:28 *** SneakySnake [~nya@54036288.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 14:02:14 <SneakySnake> Hi. I have a steel mill that produces steel. I want to transport that steel to a factory, but the truck station isn't getting any steel. When I built it, it said "Accepts Iron ore. Supplies: Steel", but it doesn't seem to be getting any steel, even though the "production last month" of the steel mill is greater than zero. 14:02:22 <SneakySnake> Am I missing something? 14:03:09 <Hiddenfunstuff> is the station in range? 14:03:15 <V453000> did any steel vehicle load at the station yet? 14:03:33 <Hiddenfunstuff> Yes that.. by default the steel doesnt sit in station unless theres need for it 14:03:40 <SneakySnake> It's waiting to load, but it's not getting any steel 14:03:43 <SneakySnake> It's at 0% 14:04:13 <SneakySnake> Hmm, wait 14:04:17 <V453000> and are you sure the truck is refit to steel? 14:04:51 <SneakySnake> I accidentally sent an iron ore truck instead of steel truck 14:04:58 <Hiddenfunstuff> there we gi,, 14:05:28 <Hiddenfunstuff> wouldnt using trains more efficient anyways? unless its an feeder to a factory in neighbor? 14:07:17 <SneakySnake> I'm just trying out the game, I'll worry about efficiency when I have mastered the basics 14:07:29 <Hiddenfunstuff> oh.. ok 14:07:55 <SneakySnake> Can I reorder vehicle orders or do I have to delete the existing orders if I have made an ordering mistake? 14:08:09 <Hiddenfunstuff> you can drag them around 14:08:22 <SneakySnake> That doesn't seem to be working 14:08:32 <Hiddenfunstuff> or you mean change th order to another? 14:08:56 <SneakySnake> Change the order of the orders 14:09:08 <Hiddenfunstuff> you should be able to drag the orders around 14:09:36 <SneakySnake> Is that a cutting edge feature or something? I'm using 1.5.1, and I can't drag orders. Maybe I have to enable it in settings? 14:09:58 <Hiddenfunstuff> no.. its been there for ages and no settings needed 14:10:04 <SneakySnake> wait, now it's working 14:10:05 <SneakySnake> weird 14:10:58 <SneakySnake> If an order is already highlighted, I can't move it 14:11:25 <SneakySnake> Is that intentional behavior? 14:11:42 <Hiddenfunstuff> Dunno.. But it works 14:12:13 <Hiddenfunstuff> also when you add orders.. it adds above the highlighted one.. to have it add orders in the bottom.. click on the end of orders 14:12:33 <SneakySnake> Yeah, it's easy to forget that 14:23:11 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.195.114.10] has joined #openttd 14:29:51 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:45 *** CompuDesktop is now known as Compu 14:35:50 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:9c3a:4039:9c13:d5d5] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 14:36:09 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:9c3a:4039:9c13:d5d5] has joined #openttd 14:36:45 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.105.231] has joined #openttd 14:42:26 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.195.114.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:08 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:18 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:46:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:51:38 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 14:57:49 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p54B46DC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:10:42 <SneakySnake> Thanks for the help guys 15:10:46 *** SneakySnake [~nya@54036288.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19:24 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:19:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:20:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D323.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:25:19 <Alberth> o/ 15:35:13 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:41:31 <andythenorth> o/ 15:41:37 <planetmaker> hi ho 15:45:12 <Taede> ello 15:50:47 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d820da0.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Yo.] 15:55:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:17 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:25:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:26:15 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:28:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A183EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:27 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has joined #openttd 16:32:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 16:41:37 <Terkhen> hello 16:44:46 <andythenorth> lo Terkhen 16:44:59 <Rubidium> lo andy 16:45:10 <Rubidium> how's Bristol's weather going to be saturday? 16:45:16 * andythenorth looks 16:45:39 <andythenorth> itâs going to be British http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bs7?day=2 16:45:50 <andythenorth> where are you staying? 16:45:55 <Rubidium> Bath 16:46:11 <andythenorth> Bath is nice 16:46:16 <andythenorth> weird but nice 16:46:41 <andythenorth> Terkhen: played any OTTD recently? o_O 16:46:59 <Rubidium> but only for two nights, after that three nights in quiet Newbury 16:51:23 <Terkhen> andythenorth: not really :P 16:58:40 <andythenorth> he :) 17:01:03 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 17:01:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:01:16 <andythenorth> hmm 17:01:20 <andythenorth> Belugas: o/ 17:01:25 <andythenorth> all the people 17:04:11 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:28 <Belugas> yiiii 17:06:31 <Belugas> hey 17:06:33 <Belugas> yoooo 17:11:51 <Alberth> o/ 17:12:39 <andythenorth> 62 road vehicles 1860-2000 17:12:42 <andythenorth> including trams 17:12:44 <planetmaker> ahoi 17:12:46 <andythenorth> is that a lot? 17:13:21 <Alberth> @calc (2000-1860)/62 17:13:21 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 2.25806451613 17:13:46 <andythenorth> Iron Horse provides 28 trains for the same time period 17:14:10 <Alberth> rvs are not much refittable I guess 17:14:14 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 17:14:16 <andythenorth> not so much 17:14:31 <andythenorth> eGRVTS provides 114 vehicles last time I counted 17:15:15 <Alberth> one every 1/2 hour playing, seems nice enough 17:16:05 <Rubidium> what? no daylength patch? ;) 17:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: vehicle count is a terrible metric 17:16:28 <andythenorth> because...? 17:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like "your essay must have 1500 words" 17:17:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A183EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> which is an almost meaningless requirement 17:17:22 <Alberth> if they are all eg livestock trucks, it's a bit overdone :p 17:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> if you use 900 words and said all you ever wanted to say, why pad it with another 600? 17:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and if you use 2500 words, but it just flows well and feels concise, why remove 1000 words? 17:19:36 <Rubidium> that's why pages is a much better metric 17:19:37 <andythenorth> well 17:19:54 <andythenorth> because writing essays isnât about saying what you mean, but about learning to write a 1500 word essay 17:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: doesn't really help at all in that sense 17:19:59 <Rubidium> just change the margins, kerning and interline spacing ;) 17:20:12 <Rubidium> and maybe even the font 17:20:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f744a79.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:24 <andythenorth> quak etc 17:20:29 <Alberth> o/ 17:20:48 * andythenorth will probably just add some more trucks 17:20:55 <andythenorth> even though the buy menu is getting overwhelming 17:21:02 <andythenorth> and if I add early and late generations 17:21:05 <andythenorth> it will be worse 17:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: when i wrote my diploma thesis, the aim was 80 pages, but it really was just a vague aim 17:21:35 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: turn on vehicles expiring. 17:21:45 <andythenorth> I hate that feature :P 17:21:48 <andythenorth> itâs broken 17:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: cheat to a random year, type "resetengines", check the available vehicles at each time 17:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but then, "size of the buy menu list" is a non-goal 17:22:47 <frosch123> hola 17:23:00 <andythenorth> ok so the goal for these sets is âno boring choices' 17:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: unless you introduce all vehicles at 1860 and not have any generations at all 17:23:26 <andythenorth> so variety + density might be metrics, not length 17:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: choices automatically become "boring" when you compare different generations 17:23:58 <andythenorth> well yes 17:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the new generation should always win out over the old one 17:24:05 <andythenorth> +1 17:24:30 <andythenorth> but also scrolling is boring 17:24:38 <andythenorth> and I can only see 12 vehicles at once on my screen 17:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why you need to test with enabled expiring 17:24:43 <andythenorth> and I donât have touch-scroll 17:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> 12 vehicles in each generation is more than plenty 17:25:35 <andythenorth> I have 15 currently 17:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause> 7 types of trucks, 3 types of busses, 2 types of tram 17:26:45 <andythenorth> hmm 17:26:49 <andythenorth> every time I look at this 17:26:58 <andythenorth> I conclude: delete the mining trucks and the logging trucks 17:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. keep those in HEQS 17:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> use trucks you would find on regular roads in a random european town 17:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (or american, or ...) 17:28:53 <andythenorth> but then HEQS is in the buy menu.... 17:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> {piece, bulk, liquid}x{non-articulated, articulated} is 6 types of trucks 17:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause> should easily cover all generic usecases 17:29:53 <andythenorth> âadd HEQSâ makes the problem worse, not better :P 17:30:08 <andythenorth> because HEQS is bloated like a fat whale 17:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> assume the regular player doesn't "add heqs" 17:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause> because he doesn't need a mining/logging truck 17:30:31 <andythenorth> eh Iâm not designing for other people ;) 17:30:35 <andythenorth> Iâm designing for andythenorth 17:30:45 <andythenorth> I have no idea what other people want 17:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> put the logs on the bulk truck 17:31:03 <Eddi|zuHause> or add a stake truck 17:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> makes 8 types 17:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> {piece, bulk, liquid, oversized}x{single, articulated} 17:32:13 <andythenorth> yeah the stake/flat truck is what Iâm considering adding 17:32:38 <Eddi|zuHause> where wood counts as "oversized" 17:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> put steel on those as well 17:32:53 <andythenorth> yup 17:32:56 <andythenorth> hmm 17:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and engsup 17:32:58 <andythenorth> HEQS 2 :P 17:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: stay focused :p 17:34:40 <andythenorth> hmmmâŠ.roadtypes? o_O 17:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 17:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause> roadtypes are for trolleybusses and simulated subways 17:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ... and pipes :p 17:36:27 <andythenorth> and off-highway trucks 17:37:38 <andythenorth> maybe thatâs how I should organise the buy menu 17:37:42 <andythenorth> on-highway, off-highway 17:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause> don't have off-highway stuff 17:38:48 <andythenorth> becauseâŠ? 17:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it serves no purpose. and that's what you want to get rid off when being concise is your concern 17:39:18 <andythenorth> It has excessive capacity 17:39:26 <andythenorth> at the cost of speed 17:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> if you need capacity, use a train 17:39:39 <andythenorth> nah 17:39:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or a ship 17:39:59 <andythenorth> the capacity per tile on mining trucks is quite insanely high 17:40:07 <andythenorth> compared to a fully signalled train route 17:40:14 <andythenorth> and ships donât do hills :P 17:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> use road vehicles when you don't want to rip up half the town for a train station 17:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or when you want to deliver small amounts 17:40:40 <andythenorth> I am 50% convinced on removing the off-highway stuff 17:40:48 * andythenorth will bbiab 17:40:54 <andythenorth> must to home 17:40:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:42:06 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:55 <planetmaker> quak 17:46:09 <frosch123> hai, you have been busy :) 17:47:20 <planetmaker> a little bit 17:47:28 <planetmaker> not too much, but I like the idea :) 17:48:18 <planetmaker> I mostly wonder how to handle the doxygen config file as it contains also project specific stuff. But it also needs to contain site-specific ones 17:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a job for #include 17:48:49 <frosch123> what would be project specific? 17:49:02 <planetmaker> like name, author etc 17:49:22 <planetmaker> version 17:49:30 <planetmaker> that's even build-specific 17:49:53 <frosch123> name, author, version could be determined automatically 17:50:16 <frosch123> but yes, as eddi says, you can also optionally include files and replace/add to varaibles 17:50:20 <frosch123> like Makefile.in etc 17:50:30 <planetmaker> yes... that's possible 17:50:48 <frosch123> Most of the info you mentioned is actually in info.nut 17:50:59 <frosch123> bananas and musa can parse them 17:52:13 <frosch123> so, we could even detect a library.nut 17:52:29 <frosch123> and use name and version on bundles 17:52:41 <frosch123> so people can access the docs for a specific library version 17:54:02 <planetmaker> hm... using name and version on bundles from libraries... 17:54:04 <frosch123> hmm, though maybe tags are better 17:54:19 <frosch123> people tend to increase version number before release 17:54:30 <frosch123> not before the first change for the next version 17:55:03 <planetmaker> well, there are release builds and push builds, like for every project. So the releases will be probably the more relevant ones 17:56:50 <planetmaker> right. So I'll try to auto-create part of Doxyfile 17:59:26 <planetmaker> I have to say the results on busy bee with doxygen were not very promising, though :P 17:59:59 <planetmaker> (currently there only 2 script projects have an associated build job... both contain the word 'bee') 18:00:20 <frosch123> we need more forks :p 18:03:58 <frosch123> i would not be surprised if the bees have epydoc style comments :p 18:08:22 <Alberth> more doxygen-ish 18:08:52 <Alberth> planetmaker: the comments are not proper doxygen 18:09:24 <frosch123> it lacks some slashes 18:09:31 <Alberth> you need a special introductory comment, like ///! or or 18:09:39 <Alberth> s/or$/so 18:11:23 <planetmaker> :) yeah. I only noticed as I need a test project 18:13:46 <Alberth> doxygen doesn't work nicely due to lack of types 18:14:00 <Alberth> not sure how doxygen handles python code 18:17:58 <planetmaker> not much better, I think, as python wasn't taught to doxygen yet. At least from what I understood from doxygen docs 18:24:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:01 * andythenorth plans Esoteric Transport GRF 18:27:00 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/docblocks.html#pythonblocks no types though 18:27:06 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 18:29:38 <planetmaker> ah 18:30:10 <Alberth> http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/commands.html#cmdparam has a type for PHP 18:40:26 <Alberth> andythenorth: you can only distribute that as limited edition 18:43:15 <andythenorth> pipelines, mining trucks 18:43:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: "esoteric" as in niche (like segway, or a ferry in Rendsburg that doesn't touch the water) or out-of-general-human-understanding (like a flying saucer) 18:43:20 <andythenorth> heavy lift aircraft 18:43:28 <andythenorth> dredger 18:43:36 <andythenorth> blah 18:43:54 <andythenorth> the pipelines grf is great 18:44:03 <andythenorth> except it has too many pumps 18:44:08 <andythenorth> and signalling is very boring 18:44:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the pipeline grf falls for me into the same category as the signals on bridges patch... an interesting idea implemented in the absolutely worst kind of way 18:45:18 <andythenorth> I use it in every game now 18:46:29 <andythenorth> maybe itâs time for NewTransportTypes 18:51:13 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:15 <andythenorth> hmm 19:03:20 <andythenorth> groups in the buy menu? 19:03:31 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:00 <andythenorth> nvm 19:04:09 * andythenorth considers implementing mining trucks and such as trams 19:04:11 <andythenorth> or trains 19:04:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:40 <andythenorth> probably a railytype 19:06:00 <planetmaker> doxygen output, where should it go on bundles server? 19:06:17 <planetmaker> ./docs relative to the binary / script? 19:06:41 <planetmaker> or docs/doxygen/ so that one can ship also additionally custom docs without them drowning in doxygen output? 19:06:58 <planetmaker> or something else entirely? 19:07:02 <andythenorth> do they document the project, or the projectâs source code? 19:07:13 <planetmaker> they document the source 19:07:19 <andythenorth> separate 19:07:22 <planetmaker> ok 19:07:24 <andythenorth> in their own path somewhere 19:07:31 <planetmaker> docs/doxygen then? 19:07:38 <andythenorth> suitable :) 19:08:53 <andythenorth> so trains have â4-4-0 Standard (Steam)â or whatever 19:09:07 <andythenorth> should trucks have âWitch Hill Mining Truck (Off-highway)â ? 19:09:21 <andythenorth> or âJinglepot General Cargo Truck (On-highway)" 19:09:24 <andythenorth> etc 19:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather put that into the description 19:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but have i mentioned that i don't like the on/off highway distinction? 19:13:47 <andythenorth> yes 19:13:54 <andythenorth> you have me 50% convinced 19:14:00 <andythenorth> I actually think we should do roadtypes 19:14:34 <andythenorth> my thinking is 19:14:43 <andythenorth> based on playing quite a lot recently 19:14:56 <andythenorth> I like building lots of different transport types 19:15:06 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:15:14 <andythenorth> managing capacity and contention on a specific type (especially trains) is quite boring 19:15:29 <andythenorth> but threading lots of types through a congested area is fun 19:15:46 <andythenorth> I think the game is fundamentally about building routes 19:15:51 <andythenorth> rather than choosing vehicles 19:15:57 <andythenorth> and 10 years of newgrf are doing it wrong 19:16:14 <andythenorth> pipe.grf might be relatively terrible, but itâs the most interesting use of railtypes so far 19:17:14 <andythenorth> now I build two routes, instead of figuring out how to jam more oil trains onto the main spine 19:18:04 <andythenorth> endlessly compatible roadtypes would be very boring 19:18:17 <andythenorth> mutually exclusive roadtypes is quite interesting 19:26:07 <frosch123> [21:07] <andythenorth> do they document the project, or the projectâs source code? <- there is no difference for libraries 19:26:25 <frosch123> the source is the project 19:26:26 <andythenorth> yeah my answer was specific to grf 19:26:32 <andythenorth> other projects, ymmv 19:33:17 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.96.175] has joined #openttd 19:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i never figured out what ymmv is supposed to mean 19:37:49 <planetmaker> your milage may vary 19:39:42 <Alberth> "results may be different if you try it" :) 19:40:03 * andythenorth wonders 19:40:09 <andythenorth> why Goods is not Piece Goods class 19:40:36 <andythenorth> it seems odd 19:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hysterical raisins 19:42:03 * andythenorth ignores it 19:42:11 <planetmaker> frosch123, I'm actually not sure how to automatically get version and name from the scripts 19:42:14 <andythenorth> if I changed it in FIRS, the wiki would be wrong 19:42:18 <andythenorth> and I canât edit wiki 19:42:32 <planetmaker> if they all put the information in main.nut or info.nut ... yes. But already busy-bee does not and generates that info 19:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause> wood is even weirder wrt cargo class 19:42:36 <planetmaker> so... what to assume? 19:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: run the steps that put that info there first? makefiles should be able to do that, right? 19:45:02 <planetmaker> yes... 19:45:32 <planetmaker> but then they could generate the Doxygen config file on the same step, too. Instead of me parsing different output 19:46:04 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: clearly bundles of wood 19:46:09 <andythenorth> or individual logs :P 19:46:45 <andythenorth> I do miss the days when cargo class was a thing that was talked about :P 19:47:21 <Alberth> planetmaker: not sure bees need any doxygenerated docs :) but sure, why not add it to the makefile 19:47:28 <Alberth> it has all the info 19:47:30 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: will you ever use Road Hog? I am considering a parameter to disable off-highway vehicles 19:47:31 <andythenorth> :P 19:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but then that is two tasks that sort of do the same thing in two different ways, which may or may not be weird 19:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: how should i know? 19:47:54 <andythenorth> similar to Iron Horse âdisablingâ the extra types if the railtype isnât provided 19:48:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: predict the future 19:48:10 <andythenorth> itâs impossible, yet we try all the time 19:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> by current extrapolation, i won't play the game at all in quite a while 19:48:52 <Alberth> andythenorth: assume he will at some point, and you're always safe 19:48:52 <andythenorth> the game is quite fun 19:49:05 <planetmaker> Alberth, it's not so much about busy bee in particular. It's for me a convenient example :) And it's the only script project really which gets build/published, thus has a Makefile at all 19:49:13 <andythenorth> we should write another GS 19:49:15 <andythenorth> âweâ 19:49:23 * andythenorth commited about twice to busy bee :P 19:49:42 <Alberth> wanna do a Dutch translation? :p 19:50:05 <andythenorth> didnât we write a web translator? 19:50:29 <Alberth> yeah, but it has no Dutch Bee translators 19:50:37 <andythenorth> I thought it did it by magic 19:51:08 <Alberth> wll, it works for some languages :) 19:51:11 <Alberth> *well 19:51:15 * andythenorth ponders a GS suitable for all the âbritâ rosters heâs making 19:51:40 <andythenorth> how about âinvent 50% of engineering inventions, and have the worldâs biggest empire, then somehow squander thatâ 19:51:41 <andythenorth> ? 19:51:45 <andythenorth> is that a GS? 19:52:13 <Alberth> what happened to the 'winning the west' GS? 19:52:27 <andythenorth> I havenât made any grfs for it yet :( 19:52:59 <Alberth> Britain doesn't have a West? 19:53:03 <andythenorth> I am in it :P 19:53:06 <andythenorth> Rubidium soon too :P 19:53:17 <andythenorth> we didnât have to kill all the buffalo though 19:53:27 <andythenorth> can we measure average vehicle speed in a GS? 19:53:39 <Alberth> good, OpenTTD is a family-friendly game 19:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: over all available or all existing vehicles? 19:54:20 <andythenorth> UK has some of the fastest average PAX train speeds, fast freight trains, and allegedly our trucks work some of the most punishing schedules 19:54:35 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: dunno 19:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: "all available" may have the problem of obsolete vehicles dragging down the value too much, and "all existing" may make more sense per cargo, as wagon speed limits may be different 19:56:11 <andythenorth> per cargo is quite nice 19:56:14 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:56:19 <frosch123> planetmaker: take AyStar as example 19:56:29 <frosch123> it has doxygen comments 19:56:38 <frosch123> and it has a simple library.nut 19:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> all existing may produce a better reaction to the player's actual playstyle 19:57:15 <frosch123> planetmaker: actually, a lot of the ai libraries seem to use doxygen comments 19:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> a player with mixed local and express trains will have a lower value than one that has all maglev 19:57:27 <frosch123> and most of them do not do the version magic that bee does 19:57:52 <frosch123> Pathfinder.Road and Pathfinder.Rail also use doxygen 19:57:56 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d820da0.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:09 <frosch123> and BinaryHeap 19:58:44 <andythenorth> hmm 19:58:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-53-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:58:58 <andythenorth> dunno how much GS knows about the available vehicles 19:59:08 <Wolf01> hi o/ 19:59:15 <frosch123> superlib not so much 19:59:22 <frosch123> so mostly the tb/yexo libs use doxygen 19:59:55 <frosch123> cEngineLib might also work 20:02:25 <frosch123> planetmaker: i think all the info.nut magic only exists for ais and game scripts, but not for the libraries 20:02:40 <frosch123> libraries cannot increase the version on every commit 20:02:56 <frosch123> but only on releases, so it makes little sense to add a Makefile to them 20:03:04 <andythenorth> average speed goal probably fails on waiting in stations and such 20:04:55 * andythenorth wonders about setting point-to-point delivery time goals 20:05:00 <andythenorth> âJust-in-time" 20:05:07 <andythenorth> would need to calculate distance 20:05:11 <planetmaker> however aystar has a Makefile :) 20:05:24 <andythenorth> and specify the transport type 20:05:36 <andythenorth> and know the speed of the fastest appropriate vehicle 20:06:40 <planetmaker> frosch123, does every library necessarily have a library.nut? 20:07:28 <planetmaker> and every script an info.nut? 20:07:32 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.154.136.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:37 <frosch123> yes 20:07:48 <frosch123> but i see no point in doxygen for scripts 20:08:08 <planetmaker> you mean only for libraries? 20:08:12 <frosch123> yip 20:09:13 <frosch123> libraries have a fixed api for a fixed version 20:09:23 <frosch123> so it makes sense to provide documentation for specific versions 20:09:38 <frosch123> so people can look it up, just like the openttd api 20:10:45 <planetmaker> yes, it's more useful for libraries, sure :) 20:14:27 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-40-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:34 <frosch123> planetmaker: http://hg.openttd.org/extra/musa.hg/file/5bd2b5073fdd/scriptid.py#l13 <- the same works for author, name and version for most libraries 20:14:50 <frosch123> and the libraries using magic, can provide a makefile, if they want :p 20:17:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:23 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.33.1/20150410200411]] 20:23:53 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pi1lwcgg4 <-- I was about to use this 20:24:32 <frosch123> likely also works for most of them :) 20:24:48 <frosch123> i think zuu wrote that other code 20:25:00 <frosch123> no idea what he had in mind 20:26:07 <planetmaker> Well, that doesn't check for version. A library or script can do: 20:26:13 <planetmaker> VERSION <- 6 20:26:32 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:43 <planetmaker> function GetVersion() { return VERSION; } 20:26:45 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:26:54 <planetmaker> or function GetVersion() { return 6; } 20:27:00 <frosch123> yeah, but those can also provider custom Makefiles then :p 20:27:02 <planetmaker> the latter is nice. The earlier... not so for my case 20:27:05 <planetmaker> ok 20:27:22 <planetmaker> so I'll just submit it as I just pasted 20:31:57 <frosch123> from the libraries in my content_download folder 20:32:22 <frosch123> there are only 3 or 4 libraries which use version magic 20:32:30 <planetmaker> :) 20:32:36 <frosch123> 3 or 4 depending on whether you count superlib for ai and gs separately 20:33:33 <frosch123> i think the bigger task is to make libraries use correct doxygen syntax :) 20:33:45 <planetmaker> :) 20:33:50 <planetmaker> yeah, probably 20:34:07 <planetmaker> we out-source that to the guy who wrote that script :P 20:41:06 <frosch123> is there some example output for some project on bundles? 20:42:53 <planetmaker> so far? No 20:43:23 <planetmaker> I haven't built anything on the server yet. I had it run locally on BB to see what it gives; but not yet on a library 20:43:42 <frosch123> ok :) 20:44:09 <planetmaker> but that's something for tomorrow to test, setting up the projects, I think 21:03:27 <frosch123> planetmaker: i've added wormnest as manager to the project :p 21:03:48 <andythenorth> is bed 21:03:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:05:49 <planetmaker> ty, frosch123 :) 21:18:28 <Terkhen> good night 21:18:40 <planetmaker> good night from here, too :) 21:23:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D323.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:28:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f744a79.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:31:55 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 22:36:55 <Wolf01> 'night 22:36:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:48:17 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:23 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has joined #openttd 22:58:33 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:42 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:46 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has joined #openttd 23:31:11 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p54B46DC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:32:54 *** qwebirc92435 [~oftc-webi@host-184-119-3-96.midco.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:43 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 23:53:53 *** qwebirc92435 [~oftc-webi@host-184-119-3-96.midco.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed]