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00:36:27 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 00:36:27 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:32 *** Riestat2 [~oftc-webi@host109-151-162-88.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:06 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d088dcb.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 01:54:07 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-31-11.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 02:01:38 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-31-11.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:57 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:25:58 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:26:49 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x5d822d39.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 02:33:45 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d088dcb.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:07 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:f0d7:911a:2696:d953] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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05:22:21 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:26:14 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:31:19 *** Pokka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:30 *** roidal [~roland@193-154-137-34.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:04:46 <Supercheese> "Parent scopt for this feature not available" blaah 06:04:54 <Supercheese> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Switch says I can do it 06:05:12 <Supercheese> FEAT_AIRPORTTILES > PARENT > Airport 06:05:41 * Supercheese blames NML 06:10:03 <Supercheese> soo do the specs lie? or does NML's parser lie? 06:10:11 <Supercheese> they cannot both be correct 06:15:20 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 06:20:37 <Alberth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2 feature 11 has no related object 06:21:03 <Supercheese> hmm 06:21:06 <Supercheese> specs may be lying then 06:21:23 <Supercheese> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Switch directly contradicts that page 06:21:44 <Supercheese> says feature 11 has Airport as related 06:21:59 <Supercheese> which would be 0D it seems 06:22:18 <Supercheese> but NML itself does not think there is a related object either 06:22:43 <Alberth> above you speak of tiles 06:23:02 <Alberth> X and X_tiles are different things 06:23:14 <Supercheese> indeed 06:23:19 <Alberth> industries have a similar confusion 06:23:27 <Supercheese> I was hoping feature 11 had feature 0D as related object 06:23:33 <Supercheese> but that may not be the case 06:23:41 <Alberth> yeah, would make sense, imho 06:24:10 <Alberth> newgrfspecs say 'no', and they are defining :) 06:24:32 <Supercheese> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Switch needs editing then 06:24:51 <Alberth> yeah I wonder how you can find who added it 06:25:23 <Supercheese> the history is truncated 06:25:27 <Supercheese> odd 06:27:25 <Alberth> foobar seems to have added it from an ancient nml version, perhaps by reverse engineering from the nml source 06:44:34 * Supercheese wonders what it would take to add support for it 06:52:13 <Alberth> make a newgrf extension proposal, get agreement from everybody, find a dev to add openttd support, find a dev to add nml support 06:52:54 <Supercheese> I was thinking more mundane things, like which function(s) to add to the header file 06:53:13 <Supercheese> to add to which header file* 06:53:21 <Alberth> make an example implementation can be helpful too 06:54:09 <Alberth> src/newgrf_airport_tiles or so 06:54:38 <Alberth> src/newgrf too, probably 06:55:06 <Alberth> but even an example implementation needs a definition in newgrf spec 06:55:20 <Alberth> or you don't know what to build 06:55:45 <Alberth> and for showcase, you might have to do some nfo coding, or extend nml 06:55:55 <Supercheese> well, essentially I'd like to add feature 0D as a related parent scope for feature 11 as mentioned earlier 06:56:08 <Alberth> yep 06:56:18 <Supercheese> so I'll work on doing that 06:56:50 <Alberth> it's quite natural, and thus has been considered before by someones, and has been rejected 06:57:10 <Alberth> the reason behind that would be interesting 06:58:18 <Alberth> but for your newgrf to be of use to anyone else, you need that feature parent relation in main stream openttd 07:06:38 <Terkhen> hello 07:07:48 <Alberth> hello T 07:37:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-53-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:38:49 <Wolf01> moin 07:51:41 *** roidal_ [~roland@62-46-136-218.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:56:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1979E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:58:34 *** roidal [~roland@193-154-137-34.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:14 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:24 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 08:22:37 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:47:07 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p54B466B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:23 *** Fuco [foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 08:53:21 <Alberth> hi hi 08:59:45 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:08:42 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:19 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p54B466B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:34:57 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:46:01 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:31 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:01:49 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:56 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-164-110.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B9D7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:05:49 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:52 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:27 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:31 <andythenorth> o/ 11:44:37 <Alberth> moin 11:45:12 <andythenorth> Saturday cat 11:45:31 <Eddi|zuHause> is feeling lazy 11:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> also: Caturday 11:47:10 <Alberth> just sleep at some tiles in the shadow 11:48:40 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 11:49:24 * Wolf01 is preparing the lego sets for the next saturday 11:49:42 <andythenorth> ? 11:49:53 <Wolf01> http://brickset.com/article/15657/borgobrick-veneto-italy-11-12-july 11:52:04 <andythenorth> oic :) 11:52:25 <Alberth> measuring how much space is left available :) 11:54:00 * andythenorth should work on this today :P https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/14264965852/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/ 11:54:16 <Wolf01> nice 11:55:03 <andythenorth> it has been work-in-progress for about 7 years :P 11:55:53 <Wolf01> have you considered to purchase the Sbrick to get rid of the iR receivers? 11:55:55 <Alberth> double mars lander :) 11:57:50 <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18pdejj1rE8&feature=player_embedded 11:59:19 <andythenorth> Wolf01: wondering about Sbrick 11:59:23 <andythenorth> dunno how much power it delivers 11:59:42 <andythenorth> to get decent performance, I need 1 battery box per 4 motors 11:59:55 <andythenorth> to get really good performance, 1 battery box per 2 motors :P 12:01:32 <andythenorth> Sbrick says 3A per channel 12:01:38 <andythenorth> not sure how that correlates to performance 12:02:17 <Alberth> doesn't a motor speficy amps ? 12:02:30 <Wolf01> http://www.philohome.com/motors/motorcomp.htm 12:02:35 <Alberth> or a battery 12:03:52 <andythenorth> to be strict, itâs not the battery boxes that are the limit in the current model 12:04:03 <andythenorth> itâs the PF receivers, which have current limiters 12:04:44 <andythenorth> but still, 2 battery boxes is better than 1 12:14:45 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 12:16:15 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 12:16:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:50 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:22:59 <Pikkaphone> what what 12:23:36 <Alberth> lego watts, mostly 12:24:00 <Pikkaphone> fantastic 12:27:36 <andythenorth> hi hi Pikkaphone bob 12:27:55 <andythenorth> have you done roadtypes yet? 12:31:05 <andythenorth> no, me neither :P 12:49:54 *** Celestar 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<Alberth> hi hi 15:59:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:03:21 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 16:21:50 *** Celestar [~Celestar@88.128.80.91] has joined #openttd 16:22:05 *** Celestar [~Celestar@88.128.80.91] has quit [] 16:36:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:42 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:17:44 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@145.131.157.180] has joined #openttd 17:19:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1979E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:01:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:53 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 18:05:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 18:10:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 18:11:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 18:14:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 18:35:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 18:50:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 18:54:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:56:15 *** rav [~rav@ip-27-234.bnaa.dk] has joined #openttd 19:00:57 <rav> I like the visual feedback when dragging autorails. When dragging autoroad, the only feedback is the highlighted squares -- it doesn't indicate which part of the road (N/E/S/W) I build by clicking in a particular spot. As a seasoned C++ developer I would like to try and implement this -- has anyone worked on a similar feature? 19:01:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 19:01:36 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p54B7F1AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:48 <rav> I must say it was relatively easy for me to find the git repository and build and run it -- the codebase is complex but I'm slowly getting the hang it 19:09:45 <Alberth> there may be sprites available 19:10:30 <Alberth> maybe the forum has a topic about it 19:21:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 19:24:55 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-5-113.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:47 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p54B7F1AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:00:01 *** Ektor [~david@nak11-h03-89-91-186-175.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:09:51 <Supercheese> Hmm, maybe accessing PARENT scope in airport tiles isn't required for what I want to do... 20:11:55 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 20:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> rav: that's a feature that comes up every now and then. it SHOULD be quite easy to do, but nobody ever followed through on it 20:25:25 <rav> Eddi|zuHause: let's see how far I get tonight. so far I have the highlight changing between x-rail and y-rail depending whether the cursor is in the nw/ne/sw/se corner of the tile 20:44:35 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x5d822d39.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Yo!] 20:47:57 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:50:37 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:37:42 <Supercheese> if there are 32 bits of random data available, then running a hasbit check on any given bit should return true 1/32 of the time, right? 21:38:03 <Supercheese> each bit is randomly created equal? 21:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no. each bit returns true 1/2 of the time 21:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and ALL bits return true 1/4294967296 of the time 21:54:23 <rav> I'm going to bed now. For future reference, my autoroad progress is here: https://github.com/Mortal/openttd/compare/rav 21:55:38 <Supercheese> ah, yes 21:56:28 <Supercheese> so... checking hasbit(1) && hasbit(2) would be true 1/4 of the time? 21:57:06 <Supercheese> maybe I should just modulo 21:57:22 *** rav [~rav@ip-27-234.bnaa.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:57:26 <Supercheese> clamp to a sensible range 21:57:59 <Supercheese> extra_callback_info1 % 4 == 1 21:58:14 <Supercheese> now that should be true 25% of the time 22:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:08:02 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have more than one random decision like this, you should make sure to read different bits, to avoid correlation 22:11:59 <Supercheese> Well, hopefully anim_control 's extra_callback_info1 random bits are re-randomized each time an animation trigger happens 22:12:36 <Supercheese> but I don't really know when the data is re-randomized, guess I can check the source 22:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant within the same callback 22:13:37 <Supercheese> ah, just one decision each time the callback is fired 22:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and when things are rerandomized should be in the specs 22:14:20 <Supercheese> Random() does seem to be called for each ChangeAnimationFrame() call anyway 22:16:01 <Supercheese> time to try compiling... 22:16:49 <Supercheese> success, time to test functionality... 22:20:11 <Supercheese> looking good so far... 22:31:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B259.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B259.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:31:28 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:56 *** roidal_ [~roland@62-46-136-218.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 22:46:21 <Supercheese> great, now just gotta fix the graphics 22:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "great, now i just have to do the other 90% of the work" 22:51:41 <Supercheese> stupid sprite aligner, coords now multiplied by 4 22:55:57 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:02:06 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's rather silly. i don't know who approved that 23:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently the boundaries for trunk inclusion are much weaker for developer features :p 23:05:20 <Wolf01> 'night 23:05:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:06:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1979E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:21 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:54 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:26:06 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has joined #openttd 23:39:55 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]