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Anyone who wants to contribute to OpenTTD in the broader sense is welcome there 09:11:22 <planetmaker> New registrants cannot yet create a project yet. Thus your first project needs to be approved, but that's more a formality 09:11:48 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/ask_new_project :) 09:12:20 <planetmaker> (that's additional to creating a personal account) 09:16:09 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 09:21:01 <openbu> thanks to planetmaker,The number of contributors is less.so I want to contribute the openTTD project. 09:23:04 <Alberth> doing what? 09:23:51 <openbu> First,NewGRF,,,32bpp 09:24:06 <Alberth> great 09:24:49 <Alberth> what type? trains, road vehicles, ships, aircraft, landscape, industries? 09:26:09 <openbu> All,,,Baseset,,,industries 09:27:20 <Alberth> :O lots of sprites :) 09:28:11 <planetmaker> :) 09:28:53 <Alberth> people seem to switch from a simple newgrf to a 'simple' baseset, nowadays :) 09:31:05 <planetmaker> well :) It usually is a good idea to make both: a series of (simple) NewGRFs. And then to combine those in a base set 09:31:29 <planetmaker> But one really has to make sure the NewGRFs don't get complicated or it will be much more work :) 09:31:42 <planetmaker> No fancy stuff in the NewGRFs... mostly just actionA (simple replacement) 09:35:46 <openbu> https://github.com/openbu/NewGRF 09:35:50 <openbu> https://github.com/openbu/Real-World 09:36:14 <openbu> https://github.com/openbu/Patch 09:39:02 <openbu> I want to contribute to NewGRF,Real-World,Patch. 09:52:57 <Alberth> what is your contribution? It looks like a plain copy of code from here 09:54:24 <Alberth> contributions are always in source code form, never in binary zip files 10:01:07 <qwebirc61183> where can I find the changelog for 1.5.2? 10:01:30 <qwebirc61183> even in the github repo I can't find anything useful when searching for changelog 10:02:27 <qwebirc61183> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/search?l=text&q=changelog 10:02:30 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 10:03:04 <TrueBrain> 1.5.2 isnt released (yet); 1.5.2-RC1 is 10:03:46 <qwebirc61183> are there only changelogs for stable releases? 10:03:49 <TrueBrain> easiest to find the changelog is via https://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing 10:04:03 <TrueBrain> and for stables https://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable 10:07:03 <qwebirc61183> TrueBrain: THANKS a lot! I just didn't see this link to changelog... :/ 10:07:37 <TrueBrain> it is also in our repos (changelog.txt), but the github sync of our repos is of trunk only 10:07:42 <TrueBrain> not of our 1.5 branch 10:08:38 <qwebirc61183> so where else can I find your repos? 10:08:51 <TrueBrain> svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/1.5, if my memory serves me right 10:09:17 <TrueBrain> or the git sync: https://git.openttd.org/, there branches/1.5 10:09:52 <TrueBrain> (and mercurial is also available, if you fancy that :P) 10:10:19 <TrueBrain> or https://svn.openttd.org/branches/1.5/changelog.txt 10:10:28 <TrueBrain> but I wouldnt recommend a WebDAV entry for anything sane :P 10:10:45 <TrueBrain> I believe we created too many entry points for the same thing :D:D 10:11:04 <qwebirc61183> mercurial? I've never heard of that before :D github and svn is quite common I guess, but mercurial? 10:11:11 <TrueBrain> hg 10:11:14 <TrueBrain> very well known 10:11:36 <TrueBrain> bitbucket, is a fine example of the github counter part in mercurial 10:16:08 <Alberth> mercurial is a lot like git, but with a sane user interface 10:16:22 <TrueBrain> 'sane' in the eye of the beholder, ofc :D 10:16:32 <TrueBrain> *ignites the flamewar* 10:17:25 <Alberth> hmm, I should collect nice example of git sanity :p 10:17:36 * blathijs really loves git and hates hg, but I agree that hg's ui is more sane :-) 10:17:37 *** qwebirc72391 [~oftc-webi@p4FF44C8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:44 <qwebirc72391> the damn webchat has crashed ... 10:18:19 <qwebirc72391> i should've used a full irc client (even for little questions) 10:18:48 <qwebirc72391> well, why would you need a sane user interface? 10:18:59 <Alberth> usually the length of the answer is more important :) 10:19:05 <TrueBrain> because insane user interfaces are harder to work with :D:D:D 10:19:07 *** qwebirc61183 [~oftc-webi@p4FF44C8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:23 <TrueBrain> just imagine .. an interface where the letters jump around 10:19:27 <TrueBrain> where no button is ever on the same place 10:19:27 <qwebirc72391> :D 10:19:32 <TrueBrain> where the colors play around with you 10:19:34 <TrueBrain> the insanity :D 10:19:41 <qwebirc72391> true :) 10:19:54 <Alberth> just random moving elements around is sufficient, I think :) 10:20:01 <qwebirc72391> but I was more like: why would you need an ser interface? 10:20:05 <qwebirc72391> *user 10:20:34 <TrueBrain> well, without it using a computer is so hard 10:20:38 <TrueBrain> you want to talk to it? 10:20:46 <TrueBrain> use morse code to communicate with it? 10:20:49 <Alberth> note that command-line is also a user interface here 10:20:49 <qwebirc72391> sure, you don't? 10:21:05 <TrueBrain> :D 10:21:23 <Alberth> wait, it speaks morse code?? 10:21:34 <Alberth> damn, I should have learned that :) 10:21:34 <TrueBrain> yours doesnt??!! 10:21:53 <Alberth> nah, mine only does 0s and 1s 10:22:13 <TrueBrain> which translates fine to morse, not? :) 10:22:15 <Alberth> maybe I should upgrade 10:22:16 <TrueBrain> short vs long? :D 10:22:52 <Alberth> it also has short and long pauses :) 10:23:05 <TrueBrain> we call that -0 and -1 10:23:06 <TrueBrain> :D 10:23:14 <Alberth> :) 10:23:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host234-232-dynamic.249-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:23:41 <TrueBrain> hello Wolf01 10:23:44 *** randomname [~random@p200300454365D93589879372E8D32948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:23:44 <Wolf01> hi hi 10:23:47 <randomname> this damn webchat :D 10:24:06 <randomname> now it should be more stable ... 10:24:09 <TrueBrain> oeh, a IPv6 user 10:24:11 <TrueBrain> scary :P 10:24:16 <randomname> (: 10:24:54 <randomname> Sometimes Deutsche Telekom is a nice provider 10:25:11 <TrueBrain> I am still waiting for my native IPv6 support :( 10:25:17 <TrueBrain> once again they stopped the rollout of it .. 10:25:56 <randomname> where are you from? 10:26:06 <TrueBrain> from my mother; why? 10:26:17 <randomname> :D 10:26:23 <Wolf01> ahah 10:26:30 <Alberth> moin W 10:27:30 <randomname> I was wondering if you are maybe from Germany, because Germany is usually a pretty bad v6 country 10:27:54 <TrueBrain> every country is bad in IPv6 10:28:08 <TrueBrain> at least datacenters have their shit together relative well the last few months 10:28:12 <TrueBrain> most offer it natively now 10:28:15 <TrueBrain> so that is a start 10:28:21 <TrueBrain> ISPs are slowly following ... but slowly 10:28:49 <TrueBrain> at least everyone understand it is needed, no longer optional :) 10:28:51 *** qwebirc72391 [~oftc-webi@p4FF44C8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:54 <Alberth> don't want to disturb XP users :p 10:29:32 <randomname> wait, XP doesn't support v6? :D 10:29:51 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 10:29:52 <randomname> shit, I have to update in like 5 years :D 10:30:38 <randomname> I think as an ISP you can't buy any new v4 ranges, can you? 10:31:30 <Flygon> My ISP supports IPv6 very well 10:31:36 <Flygon> My Modem is stuck in 1997 >_> 10:31:49 <randomname> 56k? 10:31:52 <Flygon> Doesn't even support WPA2-Enterprise to prevent Windows 10 shenanigans :( 10:31:58 <Flygon> 1997 was an exaeration 10:32:01 <Flygon> exageration* 10:32:07 <Flygon> More... 2007-2009 10:32:16 <Flygon> Best I got is WPA2 Wireless N 10:32:18 <Flygon> Shower time! 10:32:18 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 10:34:31 <randomname> What's the advantage of WPA2-Enterprise over common WPA2? 10:35:36 <blathijs> randomname: You don't normally buy IP ranges at all, they just get assigned freely to members of the regional registries (RIPE / ARIN / etc.). However, now that ipv4 is nearly gone, there will be a waiting list soon. 10:36:00 <blathijs> It does sometimes happen that companies sell ipv4 space the are no longer using among each other 10:37:25 <randomname> blathijs: thanks, didn't know that. I just read things like "the very last v4 range sold" from time to time 10:39:12 <blathijs> randomname: There is a global registry, IANA, which assigns ranges (in blocks of 2^24 addresses) to local registries (roughly by continent). IANA has assigned all of its blocks IIRC, but the regional registries still have some space left from their last assigned block 10:41:55 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-107-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:42:11 <randomname> alright 10:42:17 <randomname> thanks again 10:43:12 <randomname> it just remembered https://xkcd.com/195/ 10:43:51 <blathijs> randomname: Everyone one of those squares is a 2^24 block I mentioned 10:58:23 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:28 <randomname> do you have any influence on the repos of ubuntu? 1.5.0 is their version right now 11:03:03 * blathijs has 11:03:48 <blathijs> Seems Ubuntu has 1.5.1, at least in the latest Ubuntu version? 11:04:29 <blathijs> (I'm the Debian maintainer for OpenTTD, so the packages I upload to Debian typically get synced automatically to Ubuntu, so I don't have a direct influence on this) 11:05:09 <blathijs> randomname: It actually seems 1.5.0 is not in _any_ Ubuntu version right now? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openttd&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all 11:09:59 <randomname> blathijs: for me, it's 1.5.0-1~getdeb1 (utopic-getdeb) 11:10:23 <randomname> but maybe, I just need to change my package sources 11:13:03 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-134-94.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:13:09 *** Pokka [~Octomom@124-170-107-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:14:04 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 11:16:32 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-134-94.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:51 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-107-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:35 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:10 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:18 *** CCHyper [cchyper@cncnet.org] has joined #openttd 11:45:55 <CCHyper> Good Afternoon, is was wondering if there are any developers active at the moment? 11:47:45 <Xaroth|Work> there are developers active all the time 11:47:53 <Xaroth|Work> but you'd have to be a bit more specific than that :P 11:49:22 <blathijs> randomname: Seems you have it installed from "getdeb", which I think is a non-official repository. Not sure who maintains that. The official utopic repo only has up to 1.4.1, so you can either upgrade your Ubuntu, just pick up the openttd packages from the latest ubuntu, or get a .deb file from openttd.org 11:49:51 <Xaroth|Work> ^ that last bit will most likely work best 11:50:20 <CCHyper> hah, i'm mainly after the initial creator or the developer that has the most overall decision? I have some questions as I have a very similar project in development for another game. 11:50:57 <CCHyper> Xaroth|Work: apolagies, im multitasking while at work and hiding from the boss lol 11:51:11 <Xaroth|Work> CCHyper: as my name suggests, so am i :) 11:51:33 <CCHyper> heh 11:53:06 <Alberth> not sure if there is one, and/or he is still around 11:53:22 <randomname> blathijs: I'm using the .deb file from openttd.org right now, but it's not the easiest way I guess :) I'm just checking my package sources 11:53:31 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:53:55 <openbu> I'm available all the time.:) 11:54:11 <CCHyper> mkay, basicly, what is the legal stand point of OpenTTD. As far as i know, its a 1:1 clone of the assembly? 11:54:20 <blathijs> randomname: It's the easiest way to always have the latest version, I guess (since those packages are automatically built on a release, all repositories need some manual work) 11:56:30 <Alberth> doing openrct2? :) 11:56:47 <Alberth> well, your guess is as good as mine, I think 11:58:30 <CCHyper> Alberth: I can't mention the name, but its a well known franchise. the project has been going for 5+ years behind doors and I need to understand what legal issues similar projects have encountered 12:00:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:12 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:00:32 <__ln__> obviously OpenTTD is in the legally gray area, but has afaik avoided issues because the copyright holder isn't actively pursuing their rights. 12:01:07 <openbu> I'm doing open capitalismlab,based upon openTTD....:) 12:01:14 <__ln__> not even gray, some parts are definitely copyright violations 12:01:28 <CCHyper> what parts in specific? 12:01:30 <TrueBrain> they are? *makes notes, this might be important* 12:01:31 <blathijs> CCHyper: AFAIK the origins of OpenTTD are a bit shady. The original creator (ludde) has left the project long ago, but I believe some kind of disassembling/reimplementation has happened. 12:02:09 <blathijs> CCHyper: However, we've attempted to get permission to use the artwork, but nobody really knows who owns the rights 12:02:32 <blathijs> CCHyper: So in practice, no actual legal *issues* have been encountered AFAIK 12:02:35 <CCHyper> TrueBrain: ...not the OpenDUNE guy are you? 12:02:47 <TrueBrain> *hides behind a rock or something* 12:02:56 <CCHyper> no f* way, long time no see! 12:03:09 <blathijs> CCHyper: I was just about to suggest OpenDUNE, since I think they've actually started out from assembly and slowly replaced all of that by C AFAIK 12:03:19 <Xaroth|Work> CCHyper: so you remember him, but not me? pffffffffff 12:03:21 <Xaroth|Work> i feel insulted 12:03:24 * Xaroth|Work trods off 12:03:25 <CCHyper> sorry? 12:03:28 <CCHyper> :( 12:03:32 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 12:03:33 <CCHyper> it rungs a bell 12:03:51 <Xaroth|Work> TrueBrain has always been a bell-boy, yes 12:04:05 <CCHyper> TrueBrain: dont remember me? 12:04:09 <CCHyper> lool 12:04:19 <TrueBrain> sorry, which channel was this again? 12:04:47 <Alberth> #open<something> ? :) 12:04:56 <CCHyper> OpenDUNE forums, along with Nyerguds. no? 12:05:09 <Xaroth|Work> CCHyper: his brain is worse than a sieve 12:05:14 <CCHyper> haha 12:05:21 <TrueBrain> which brain? 12:05:31 <Alberth> perhaps the true one? 12:05:32 <CCHyper> one between the legs? 12:05:43 <Xaroth|Work> that one's too small to be of any use 12:05:45 * Xaroth|Work runs for the hills 12:05:47 <TrueBrain> awesome, my brain can grow and shrink in minutes 12:06:03 <TrueBrain> *well, this conversation took a turn for the worst* 12:06:15 <Xaroth|Work> oh please 12:06:19 <Xaroth|Work> it was destined to fail anyhow 12:06:41 <TrueBrain> I am sorry CCHyper, I am in no mood to have a normal conversation with :P 12:07:31 <CCHyper> haha 12:07:38 <Xaroth|Work> Alberth: you going to take that shot for open goal or shall I? 12:07:40 <CCHyper> well this is quite important, can i drop you a PM? 12:08:00 <Alberth> be my guest :) 12:08:13 <TrueBrain> not much I can be of any help regarding legal stuff 12:08:26 <CCHyper> what was the satus with OpenDUNE? 12:08:30 <TrueBrain> I guess you can just better ask what you want to ask here, in the hope someone can answer 12:08:56 <TrueBrain> for OpenDUNE I did my atmost to contact the legal owner of Dune2, asking permission for the work 12:09:10 <TrueBrain> as that person turned out to be unfindable (all legal channels ended up with: we do not hold the legal right blablabla) 12:09:14 <TrueBrain> it is grey 12:09:31 <TrueBrain> I always said: when ever someone makes the claim we are not allowed to do it, we pull down the code immediatly 12:09:33 <TrueBrain> it is that simple 12:09:47 <TrueBrain> as no profit is gained in any way what-so-ever, I doubt someone will mind or give a fuzz about a game from 1995 12:09:50 <TrueBrain> but it is possible 12:10:17 <TrueBrain> legally, I have the proof I did my atmost to get permission, so legally I cannot be held financial resposible; I just would have to pull the project down 12:10:21 <TrueBrain> (which of course is no issue) 12:10:21 <Alberth> keeping a safe distance from the official title is important imho 12:10:59 <TrueBrain> Alberth: that, and not hiding the nature of the project 12:11:40 <randomname> official title is this distance safe enough? 12:11:53 <TrueBrain> no, 2 spaces more 12:11:57 <randomname> damn it 12:12:04 <Alberth> you may want to check the license of the game too, some explicitly forbid reverse engineering 12:12:26 <TrueBrain> some? Not all? :D 12:12:33 <TrueBrain> most country laws even disallow it these days :) 12:12:36 <Xaroth|Work> and in most cases, you'll first get a C&D 12:12:49 <CCHyper> well OpenRA has not had such iirc 12:12:56 <CCHyper> openRCT? 12:15:29 <TrueBrain> mainly, from what I have noticed, companies only start to care if you are eating away from their profit (and they are right at minding at that point) 12:16:25 <CCHyper> yea, this is true and i understand it 12:16:54 <CCHyper> and becuase of that, i dont want any link with people making donations if we go public 12:17:00 <CCHyper> people suggested it, but i have been agaisnt it 12:17:26 <TrueBrain> and I guess it is important to remember you can never reach the state: legal, when a game is reversed engineered; at best it stays: grey 12:17:42 <TrueBrain> (or of course the legal owner says it is legal :P) 12:17:49 <CCHyper> yea 12:18:09 <Xaroth|Work> but no legal owner in their right mind would ever do that :P 12:18:35 <TrueBrain> it is in their best interest to keep it grey, yes :) 12:18:51 <TrueBrain> or they most really loooovvveeeee you :) 12:18:56 <CCHyper> are there cases where games companies have completly chewed up a project? 12:19:02 <Xaroth|Work> several 12:19:10 <CCHyper> what companies? 12:19:23 <Alberth> it's easy, just threaten with a lawyer, and you're done, basically 12:20:14 *** randomname [~random@p200300454365D93589879372E8D32948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <Alberth> you may want to check the license of the game too, some explicitly forbid reverse engineering <-- german copyright says such license terms are void 12:21:34 <Alberth> :) 12:21:37 *** randomname [~random@p200300454365D93589879372E8D32948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:52 <Alberth> not everybody lives in gernmany, you know ;) 12:22:58 <CCHyper> so im safe if i move to germany? 12:23:08 <TrueBrain> kinda the oposite :P 12:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not :p 12:23:51 <TrueBrain> EU law disallows reverse enginering outside of fair-use 12:24:04 <TrueBrain> I am sure Germany topped that, and made it even worse :) 12:24:10 <CCHyper> oh 12:24:14 <randomname> really? 12:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause> germany doesn't deal in "fair use". basically, german law knows two kinds of reverse engineering 12:24:55 <randomname> but isn't a project like this fair-use? 12:25:01 <Xaroth|Work> not really 12:25:04 <TrueBrain> in EU, you can reverse engineer, say, a library, to understand how it communicates, and implement your own 12:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the first kind is non-invasive (running the program and prodding it from all sides you could as a normal user), whose results are freely usable 12:25:24 <TrueBrain> you cannot distribute the reversed engineered code of such library ;) 12:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and invasive (decompiling/disassembling), whose results you can only use for "bug fixes", and not use to release a similar product 12:26:25 <TrueBrain> US law is similar btw 12:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that latter kind you are free to distribute to anyone who has a license for the original program 12:27:17 <CCHyper> what about the open Theme Hospital project, anyone eknow aobut that? 12:27:25 <randomname> wow, that's worse than expected (for me)... 12:27:39 <Xaroth|Work> CorsixTH? 12:27:41 <Alberth> corsix-th rewrites from scratch 12:27:53 <Xaroth|Work> that's a reimplementation, not a reverse engineering project 12:28:08 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:17 <Xaroth|Work> however, they are still in the same grey area for using the original graphics/sounds/data 12:28:30 <randomname> openttd was (partly) reverse engineered? 12:28:50 <Alberth> they don't distribute the graphics/etc, people have to buy their own copy 12:28:57 <Alberth> which is just a few dollar 12:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> randomname: we don't really know what ludde did. he claimed whatever he did was covered by swedish copyright law at the time. any of us rely on the GPL for legality of the project after that 12:30:13 <randomname> Eddi|zuHause: and nobody ever came to sue you? 12:30:14 <TrueBrain> sweden was one of the last countries which disallowed reverse engineering (outside of the fiar use) 12:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> randomname: no, otherwise we'd probably be gone 12:31:39 <randomname> i didn't imagine it's such a legal grey area to rewrite such an old game 12:32:07 <TrueBrain> isnt it common sense? 12:32:21 <TrueBrain> someone made something, worked hard for it, tried to sell it 12:32:21 <Alberth> copyright expiration takes a long time :) 12:33:04 <TrueBrain> I guess the term "old game" is at issue here :P 12:33:14 <TrueBrain> lately we have seen a lot of 8bit games doing very well on stuff like Steam 12:33:19 <TrueBrain> "old" became a relative term :) 12:33:23 <blathijs> Copyright experation terms were made with books in mind, not games :-) 12:33:24 <Xaroth|Work> author's life + 70 years is going to suck quite a bit, yeah 12:33:26 <randomname> if i was the owner of transport tycoon, who doesnt sell any copies today (i guess) i wouldn't mind 12:33:42 <TrueBrain> not minding doesn't make it legal :) 12:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: no, copyright expiration terms were made with disney movies in mind 12:34:05 <__ln__> and not selling any copies right now doesn't mean not selling any copies in the future. 12:34:06 <randomname> TrueBrain: I would officially tell you I don't mind 12:34:10 <Alberth> randomname: you would, as the franchise becomes worthless if you allow it 12:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> before disney, it was something like "release date + 20 years" 12:34:18 <Xaroth|Work> randomname: On 15 July 2013, Chris Sawyer's 31X Ltd and Origin8 Technologies announced that they were working on a mobile version of Transport Tycoon. 12:34:20 <TrueBrain> randomname: I think your lawyer would advise against it :) 12:34:31 <randomname> hm... 12:34:32 <__ln__> 8-bit NES games are sold today in Wii store 12:34:45 <__ln__> 8-bit old games from the 80s 12:34:56 <Alberth> aka retro gaming :) 12:35:11 <TrueBrain> and of course it is something to be proud at, as writing of a game, that 20 years later, 131 people in an IRC channel are still keeping the game alive 12:35:16 <randomname> well, I guess my world view on copyright is still too simple (and too naive) :D 12:35:19 <TrueBrain> s/writing/writer/ 12:35:49 <TrueBrain> I mean .. you can't do it much better than that in my opinion :) 12:36:24 <TrueBrain> but ... law and personal feelings are 2 worlds apart :) 12:36:28 <randomname> yeah, but if they would have sued you, prbably 0 ppl would mind today 12:36:38 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:52 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:00 <Alberth> some would, but not much you can do 12:37:19 <Alberth> unless you have some $$ at the bank with lots of zeroes 12:37:30 <randomname> like 0000000000$ ? 12:37:31 <Xaroth|Work> minding and protecting your intellectual property are two different things, randomname 12:37:33 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: Really? Never knew that :-) 12:38:39 <randomname> Xaroth_: yeah, sad, but true 12:38:40 <CCHyper> this is interesting, so as a collective of minds, how do you think i should proceed? 12:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: the irony of the situation is that disney built his empire on works where copyright was expired, and they now deny this to artists around the world 12:39:03 <TrueBrain> wire me 1,000,000 EUR, of course 12:39:09 <TrueBrain> but that is unrelated to this conversation 12:39:16 <randomname> :D 12:39:42 <CCHyper> haha 12:40:55 <randomname> ...so copytights of games expire 70 years after the author's death? so maybe 100+ years after release 12:41:31 <randomname> i wonder if it will be possible to even play the games after such a long time 12:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> randomname: most computer program authors are quite young, so 100 years is probably not enough 12:41:46 <randomname> mouse? keyboard? lolwat 12:42:00 <TrueBrain> randomname: [14:33] <blathijs> Copyright experation terms were made with books in mind, not games :-) 12:42:01 <TrueBrain> :D 12:42:02 <Alberth> playability is not needed for copyright 12:43:24 <randomname> Eddi|zuHause: do you know why they changed it from 20 years to 70 years after death? 12:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> randomname: basically, every time copyright was about to run out they launched a campaign "we need to earn money or the creative industry dies", and copyright was extended 12:45:14 <randomname> Eddi|zuHause: and maybe some of this money went into some politician's pocket 12:45:18 *** Pokka [~Octomom@124-170-107-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:22 <TrueBrain> maybe? 12:45:24 <TrueBrain> some? 12:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> quite a lot of it, i assume. 12:45:36 <Xaroth|Work> most definitely and boatloads 12:45:38 <TrueBrain> Lobiest is a job .. ;) 12:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that's just how it works... 12:46:36 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know any political system that could even begin to resolve that 12:46:50 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> even a completely direct democracy has people in key positions that influence a lot of people 12:47:58 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 12:47:59 <randomname> you mean like the media? 12:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> for example 12:50:11 <Xaroth|Work> < Eddi|zuHause> even a completely direct democracy has people in key positions that influence a lot of people << that also has a bit to do with the fact that most people are idiots :P 12:50:44 <TrueBrain> he, who are you calling an idiot?! 12:50:58 <Xaroth|Work> that dude behind you 12:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> sure. but there's no way to change that. the 80-20 rule applies independent from the average education level 12:51:09 <TrueBrain> *is scared* 12:51:14 <TrueBrain> *thought he was home alone* 12:51:26 <Xaroth|Work> DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN 12:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> *switch to commercials* 12:52:18 <TrueBrain> end of season final :) 12:52:27 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:40 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:48 <randomname> TrueBrain: of what? 12:53:02 <Xaroth|Work> Two and a half OpenTTD Devs. 12:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i know who the half one is, but where do you find the other two? 12:54:04 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:17 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:57 <randomname> they're Kirby and Paul 13:02:09 *** kais58 [~kais58@213.250.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 13:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> randomname: the vehicles are usually named after people involved with the original transport tycoon development/testing 13:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> in the first version, they had real names, but it was changed later for some reason 13:04:00 <blathijs> Trademark issues? ;-) 13:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was some preemptive move to avoid such issues 13:07:12 *** randomname [~random@p200300454365D93589879372E8D32948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:26 *** randomname [~random@p200300454365D9353594D71C028506DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:15 <randomname> :D so my guess wasn't too bad 13:15:52 <supermop> hello 13:16:15 <supermop> decent amount of chat going on in here for a summer day 13:16:37 <randomname> it's too hot outside 13:16:51 <__ln__> real vehicle names often are names of people involved with creating them 13:17:01 <V453000> sup mop :) 13:19:02 <supermop> hello v 13:19:08 <supermop> you get paid yet? 13:19:12 <CCHyper> Alberth: TrueBrain Xaroth|Work thanks for the insight, ill see how it plays out when we get there :) 13:19:13 <V453000> aye sir 13:19:19 <supermop> good good 13:19:36 <V453000> I figured I didnt have business paypal account :D but all got sorted out in the end 13:19:41 <TrueBrain> CCHyper: good luck :) 13:19:53 <supermop> now coffee time 13:20:08 <V453000> holyshititisaTrueBrain 13:20:14 <V453000> is like seeing a unicorn 13:20:36 <TrueBrain> but ..... unicorns don't exist; ergo, I do not exist 13:20:44 <TrueBrain> *disolves in a cloud of logic* 13:20:57 <V453000> omg not the logic cloud 13:21:06 <V453000> you will be missed 13:24:32 <randomname> TrueBrain: new mission: refuse this mission 13:26:33 <Alberth> cloud will take care of any logical mistakes 13:27:00 <V453000> that is what the dutch say 13:30:35 <Alberth> we stop water in liquid form, under high wind conditions, you think that a floating collection of droplets scares us? :) 13:31:35 <V453000> I meant it in a different way, cloud as in a weed cloud :P 13:37:27 <Alberth> oh sure, right after I went to the red light district on my wooden shoes, and buying some tulips 13:38:37 <TrueBrain> :D:D:D 13:39:09 <planetmaker> :D :) 13:39:27 <planetmaker> he'll come chase you on a wave of beer ;) 13:40:03 <Alberth> don't think he'll like Heineken much :) 13:40:25 <planetmaker> it has to carry him from CZ to NL. So it'll likely be Pilzen beer or such ;) 13:40:35 <Alberth> :) 13:40:39 <planetmaker> (and yes, that's better than Heineken :P ) 13:47:50 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:36 *** CCHyper [cchyper@cncnet.org] has left #openttd [] 14:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: you forgot the caravan. 14:22:29 <Alberth> I should really follow some "typical Dutch" classes ;) 14:27:11 <V453000> heineken is alright 14:27:25 <V453000> but yeah grab a caravan and bring it! :P 14:28:15 <fjb> Moin 14:35:46 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-141-246.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:10:25 <supermop> any pilsner is better than heineken 15:10:36 <supermop> unless its bud light 15:10:47 <supermop> or miller light 15:11:29 <supermop> any real pils from cz is out of sight of heineken 15:12:53 <planetmaker> pilzener is from CZ ;) 15:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause> czech budweiser and american budweiser don't even play in the same league :p 15:14:42 <__ln__> by a strange coincidence, there's a city called Pilsen in cz 15:15:02 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i don't think it's a coincidence at all :p 15:15:04 <supermop> i don't think that is a coincidence 15:15:22 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: i actually do not care for budvar 15:15:30 <planetmaker> I don't think __ln__ didn't use irony 15:15:34 <__ln__> well me neither, as i've visited it and the beer museum there. 15:15:42 <supermop> also as bad as budweiser is, it is much much better than bud light 15:15:43 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a city called budweis in cz :) 15:15:59 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:41 <supermop> the us has amazing small craft beers, but the main breweries are still amongst the most disappointing in the world 15:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever had an american beer at all. 15:16:57 <supermop> you are missing out eddi, I will shi you some 15:17:00 <supermop> ship 15:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> good beers are either local or from cz. 15:17:39 <supermop> such a german 15:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there are also bad local beers, tbh ;) 15:18:18 <supermop> i'll ship you some good ales, or take you on a tour if you ever visit nyc 15:19:24 <supermop> offer stands for any of you germans here 15:19:35 <supermop> or the czechs 15:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> if you pay for the flight ;) 15:20:32 <supermop> haha 15:20:54 <supermop> ok ill bring some in my luggage next time im in germany 15:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i was in NYC, i wasn't old enough to drink (by american standards), and beer was crazy expensive 15:22:17 <supermop> cheaper than in aus 15:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> like you got one bottle for the price that a whole crate costs here 15:23:18 <supermop> not going to convince Eddi|zuHause i guess 15:23:37 <supermop> how about planetmaker ? you want to come try american craft ales? 15:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no real point in "convincing" anybody :p 15:24:28 <supermop> or any of the niederlanders? 15:25:18 <supermop> not sure when we will next be in germany actually 15:25:24 <supermop> may be a few years off 15:25:59 <supermop> next europe trip will be oslo $$$$ 15:26:48 *** randomname [~random@p200300454365D9353594D71C028506DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:40:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:01 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:28 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:46:52 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f741bdc.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:53 <Alberth> oddink 16:02:50 <frosch123> hai 16:12:57 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE5A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:43 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d822455.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Yo.] 16:43:04 *** Merlione [~Merrrlion@5070B10C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:20 <Merlione> hello, I have a problem, and I wonder if someone can help me 16:43:43 <Alberth> ask a question and find out 16:44:12 <Merlione> I'm trying to turn on the autoreplace option, to autoreplace my vehicles 16:44:27 <Merlione> however, it doesn't show up in the settings list, not on expert, or advanced 16:44:40 <Merlione> my OpenTTD version is 1.5.1 16:44:47 <Alberth> sounds correct :) 16:44:51 <Merlione> I don't have anything installed 16:45:08 <Alberth> 'trains' from the menu bar 16:45:14 <Alberth> with all the trains that you have 16:45:33 <Alberth> at the bottom right is a drop-down -> replace vehicles 16:45:39 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-172-232.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:45:41 <Merlione> yeah, but i want to autoreplace old ones as well 16:45:55 <Merlione> it doesn't do that 16:46:09 <Alberth> so what is autoreplace for you? 16:46:12 <Merlione> just replaces with a newer vehicle type if available 16:46:28 <Merlione> well, replacing a vehicle that is old with the same model? 16:46:33 <Alberth> yes that's the dropdown 16:46:40 <Alberth> that's autorenew 16:47:07 <Alberth> different model -> replace, same model -> renew 16:47:16 <Alberth> latter is in the settings 16:47:31 <Merlione> as i explained, the setting doesn't show up 16:47:57 <Merlione> ingame, when I manually set it to true in the .cfg file, it just turns back to false 16:48:21 <Alberth> you were talking replace then, which means something else :) let me check 16:48:36 <Merlione> yeah sorry Im new to this game ^^ 16:48:56 <Merlione> and I have set the settings to advanced or expert, and it still doesn't show 16:49:32 <Alberth> type "renew" in the search box 16:49:49 <Merlione> aaqah thanks! 16:50:19 <Merlione> I thought it would be at vehicles..... 16:50:22 <Alberth> with replace, it won't find anything, as that's not in the settings (due to hysteric reasons) 16:50:39 <Alberth> yeah, we have lots of history :) 16:51:00 <Alberth> feel free to submit a patch with an improvement 16:51:13 <Merlione> thats what a wiki told me, but probably that was a different version? 16:51:50 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-141-246.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:50 <Alberth> it didn't move for a long time 16:52:10 <Alberth> what page was that? 16:53:13 <Alberth> also, maybe you looked for "replace" there as well instead of "renew" ? 16:53:17 <Merlione> https://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles 16:53:34 <Alberth> in that case, you'd be send in the wrong direction, just like happened here 16:54:56 <Alberth> oh, a different group 16:55:09 <Alberth> yes, stuff moved a bit, wiki needs updating 16:55:41 <Merlione> hehe,w ell, you, sir, saved my company from a small disaster ;) 16:56:09 <Alberth> ok, bill is in the mail, your company can spare a few dimes right? :) 16:56:29 <Alberth> you're welcome :) 16:57:42 <Merlione> haha! yes, our advisors are well paid 16:58:52 <Alberth> :) 17:05:44 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:07:57 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 17:13:49 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:16:33 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 17:17:45 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has joined #openttd 17:26:05 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:28 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:42:32 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:49 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:00 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:14 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-92-158.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:29 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 18:24:18 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:40 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:14 <V453000> okay, any blender humans around? 18:45:48 <V453000> I got a subsurf modifier on objects with linked poly data and I cant apply the modifier 18:45:52 <V453000> is ther any reasonable way to solve it? 19:11:30 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:50 <fjb> Moin 19:39:39 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:50:06 <Alberth> moin and goodbye :) 19:50:14 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:55:32 <fjb> Nobody loves me... 20:05:12 <frosch123> i am sure dorpsgek does :p 20:05:20 <frosch123> night as well 20:05:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f741bdc.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:05:56 <Taede> ello 20:07:39 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:27 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:17:43 <Xaroth|Work> o/ Taede 20:22:29 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:29:54 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:03 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@dslc-082-083-157-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:54 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:07:28 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-172-232.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 21:12:59 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:26 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:36:29 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:27 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-92-158.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:47:51 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:07 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:25 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:55:10 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:57:29 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:29 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11B96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:15 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d822455.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:06 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@dslc-082-083-157-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.33.1/20150410200411]] 22:24:38 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.169.23] has joined #openttd 23:05:29 <Wolf01> 'night 23:05:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:06:50 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:49 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 23:46:57 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d822455.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:09 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/]