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00:12:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:08 <Wolf01> 'night 00:22:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:39:14 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d086a34.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:37 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:04 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:910::3] has joined #openttd 01:19:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A464.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:22:39 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:24:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A2B2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:19 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A464.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:06:25 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:07:18 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:910::3] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.38/20150928234557]] 03:13:05 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-83-076.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 03:48:42 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:910::3] has joined #openttd 04:27:12 *** michaelrul3s [~michael@168.235.64.147] has joined #openttd 04:27:20 <michaelrul3s> Is anyone else having problems loading the wiki? 04:27:47 <michaelrul3s> http://i.imgur.com/rxhM3KF.png 04:28:12 <michaelrul3s> The part that fucks me over is this "This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that Firefox only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible to add an exception for this certificate." 04:55:37 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:910::3] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.38/20150928234557]] 04:56:31 *** GenevaMode [~Adium@90.212.89.0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:01:17 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:910::3] has joined #openttd 05:04:34 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:910::3] has quit [] 05:11:05 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:05 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 05:11:08 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:26 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@000128fa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:33 <michaelrul3s> Welp, I appreciated the response 05:13:36 *** michaelrul3s [~michael@168.235.64.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:55 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@000128fa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 05:13:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 05:14:32 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:35 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 05:17:47 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 05:41:53 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 05:49:37 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC670F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD593A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:19:49 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 06:19:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:25:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:59:27 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 07:40:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:38 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 08:09:28 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:29 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:33:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:24 <andythenorth> o/ 08:38:07 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-143-151.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 08:44:37 <Alberth> o/ 08:45:13 <andythenorth> Alberth: I considered siting industries on opposite sides of the map 08:45:36 <andythenorth> I canât figure out how to avoid pathological cases though :) 08:45:40 <andythenorth> e.g. no water on one side, for ports 08:45:51 <andythenorth> snow on another side, for farms 08:45:52 <andythenorth> etc 08:46:08 <Alberth> drop the restriction for the first 1-3 ? 08:46:26 <Alberth> for ports etc, I wouldn't do it, too many restrictions already 08:47:22 <Alberth> or you have to make it part of the map requirements for that economy, but too fragile, I guess 08:48:26 <andythenorth> would simply enforcing a large minimum distance have the same effect? 08:48:47 <andythenorth> most industry types already enforce a min. distance primary <-> secondary 08:48:57 <andythenorth> usually 16 tiles or so 08:57:07 <Alberth> but then the industry still spreads over the entire map, mostly? 09:00:07 <andythenorth> yup 09:00:22 <andythenorth> remind me what your suggestion was? :) 09:00:35 <andythenorth> I was afk yesterday sorry, only saw it very later yesterday 09:04:00 <Alberth> somewhat trying to make the map not the same everywhere 09:04:42 <Alberth> ie no matter where you look at the map, the same kind of connections can be made 09:04:55 <Alberth> map size just decides how often you can do that 09:07:02 <Alberth> hehe, coal mines north and power plants south, I can see the comments "he, I have to make a track all across my 4096x4096 map to make a connection" :p 09:08:16 <Alberth> "smaller map economy" :p 09:12:31 <andythenorth> newgrf can check map co-ords 09:12:35 <andythenorth> during construction 09:13:17 <andythenorth> I do wonder if itâs better done by GS though 09:15:35 <Alberth> firs_gs :) 09:16:00 <andythenorth> industry IDs are stable enough :P 09:30:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:57 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:00:27 <Wolf01> o/ 10:01:48 <__ln__> you again 10:01:59 <Wolf01> yeah, always me 10:02:30 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-118-116.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:23 <__ln__> are wolves indexed with a 0-based or 1-based index? 10:06:01 <Wolf01> looks like 0-based 10:06:31 <Wolf01> a search on google returned a lot of wolf00 10:07:19 <Wolf01> but i'm wolf01 because wolf/wolf1 were already taken in battle.net in 1998 :P 10:08:20 <__ln__> tough :P 10:14:43 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:18:47 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d8218a1.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 10:20:43 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:38:56 *** Pikka [~Octomom@106-69-113-24.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:41:50 <Alberth> moin 10:41:58 <Pikka> noin 10:44:52 <Wolf01> boin 10:51:04 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:13 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 11:07:16 <Terkhen> hello 11:07:55 <Wolf01> o/ 11:18:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d009a37.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:29 <frosch123> \o 11:20:44 <Wolf01> with a leg too! 11:20:47 <Wolf01> o/ 11:21:12 <frosch123> for a second i thought i had to escape the \ :) 11:22:46 <Wolf01> ahah 11:22:47 <Rubidium> only the / at the begin, right? 11:22:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A464.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:23:09 <Rubidium> /part 11:23:14 <Wolf01> nah, just press ctrl along with enter 11:23:17 <Wolf01> /hey 11:23:25 <Wolf01> at least on mirc 11:23:39 <frosch123> /hey 11:23:47 <frosch123> interesting, same on konvesation 11:24:30 * Rubidium is sad you didn't do that with something more dangerous 11:25:11 <Wolf01> like /nickserv identify mypassword? 11:25:12 <frosch123> all dangerous stuff starts with @ 11:25:16 <frosch123> and i doubt it works for that 11:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> /amsg you all suck 11:26:06 <Rubidium> frosch123: IMHO /part and/or /quit are more than dangerous enough 11:29:30 <frosch123> how many native speakers understand "Andean" without further context? 11:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause> native speakers of andean? :p 11:40:06 <Rubidium> frosch123: probably as many as European 11:40:47 <Rubidium> I for one wouldn't know what you would mean by European without a bit of context 11:42:42 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 11:43:17 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aw793nB_700b.jpg oh, so it's how does it work 11:44:23 <Wolf01> i always thought you have to memorise them all 11:48:11 <Rubidium> Wolf01: except... grow -> grew, flow -> flowed, fly -> flew 11:48:44 <Pikka> show -> show :) 11:49:39 <frosch123> pikka -> pokka -> pukka 11:49:41 <Pikka> yes 11:49:54 <Rubidium> Wolf01: apply it to slew ;) 11:50:54 <Wolf01> oh, that one, i remember that one 11:51:07 <Pikka> good old strong verbs 11:53:05 <Rubidium> and for fun... you also need to know the context 11:53:27 <Rubidium> relay -> relaid -> relaid *or* relay -> relayed -> relayed (depending on the meaning of the word) 11:54:12 <Rubidium> also, your grammar proportion doesn't work on draw - drew - drawn 11:54:25 <SpComb> or relayd(8) 11:54:33 <Rubidium> ;) 11:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the most misleading is get vs. forget 11:55:22 <frosch123> @seen lordaro 11:55:22 <DorpsGek> frosch123: lordaro was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <LordAro> it's been a while 11:55:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27430 /branches/1.5 (5 files in 3 dirs) (2015-11-01 12:55:45 +0100 ) 11:55:57 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.5] -Backport from trunk: 11:55:58 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [Makefile] Game script directory and compat*.nut were never installed on *nix (r27399) 11:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a cool "last words" :p 11:56:00 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: There are two different availability conditions for fdatasync in the manpage. Use them both, since at least on some MinGW versions one is not enough (r27389) 11:56:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: win32 sound driver failed to report errors (r27383) 11:56:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 11:56:30 <Wolf01> eh.. and "go", i still have troubles for the right past tense to use 11:56:53 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: what's so misleading about (for)get, (for)got, (for)got(ten)? 11:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the "ten" part 11:58:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: because you're tempted to rule it as "(for)gotten", which is AE 11:59:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27431 /branches/1.5 (8 files in 4 dirs) (2015-11-01 12:59:17 +0100 ) 11:59:29 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.5] -Backport from trunk: 11:59:30 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Consider text and icon sizes when drawing the client list [FS#6265] (r27421) 11:59:31 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: GrowTownAtRoad sometimes returned false, even when a house was built [FS#6362] (r27420) 11:59:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: CmdSellRailWagon did not revert all actions properly when no orderlist could be allocated [FS#6369] (r27419) 11:59:33 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 12:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: if it helps you, there's a much much longer list of "strong" verbs in german :p 12:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> (and a fairly short one of truly irregular) 12:01:18 <Wolf01> no thanks, i already have enough trying to speak italian correctly 12:03:23 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27432 /branches/1.5 (13 files in 2 dirs) (2015-11-01 13:03:13 +0100 ) 12:03:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.5] -Backport from trunk: 12:03:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: "forget > verb (forgets, forgetting, forgot; past participle forgotten or chiefly US forgot)" (Oxford Dictionary), which seems to imply that forgotten is BE and forgot is AE 12:03:26 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: When selecting a refit cargo for orders, do not check whether the vehicle is in a depot or station, and do not ask whether the vehicle currently allows station-refitting. Also hide the refit cost for orders, it is not predictable (r27428) 12:03:27 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Use the NewGRF railtype sorting order in the infrastructure window (r27427) 12:03:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Crash when switching to or taking over companies, when an order window of a vehicle of the new company was opened. Now close those windows [FS#5842] (r27425) 12:03:29 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 12:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yes, but "gotten" is AE, vs. "got" BE 12:07:33 <Rubidium> my Oxford dictionary claims that the main "spelling" is Brittish, with variants in other spellings noted. That would imply that, according to Oxford forgotten is BE and forgot is AE 12:08:42 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: nothing is worse than the german spelling of "Nische" 12:09:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27433 /branches/1.5 (7 files in 4 dirs) (2015-11-01 13:09:41 +0100 ) 12:09:48 <DorpsGek> [1.5] -Update: Documentation 12:11:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27434 /tags/1.5.3-RC1 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2015-11-01 13:11:51 +0100 ) 12:11:58 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.5.3-RC1 12:12:28 <Rubidium> hooray 12:31:21 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:55 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: is that part of the spelling reform? 12:32:42 <frosch123> no, they forgot it 12:32:55 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: because i would have spelled it "Niche" (from french) 12:32:57 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:08 <frosch123> i would have expected that it is spelled "Niesche" since 1996 12:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but this is definitely territory where my spelling heuristic fails 12:53:34 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:01:35 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.5.3-RC1, 1.5.2 13:01:35 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.5.3-RC1, 1.5.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | Logs: @logs | #openttd.dev if this channel is really spammy 13:18:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:33:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:33:23 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-143-151.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 14:14:01 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 14:15:45 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:17:00 *** Pikka [~Octomom@106-69-113-24.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:45 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 14:38:20 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:20:25 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:36 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@0001bead.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:36:07 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 15:36:12 <drac_boy> anyone from uk here atm? 15:39:33 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@0001bead.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:16 <drac_boy> hi juzz or is that juzza? heh :) 15:50:51 *** GenevaMode [~Adium@90.212.89.0] has joined #openttd 15:53:44 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:53:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:17:28 <LadyHawk> < uk, can't exctly say im here tho, idling around =) 16:18:40 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:19:16 <drac_boy> heh, not havig a grand time online myself so kinda was just wondering if uk even had any 1-car or 2-car emu during the 1940-1970's period roughly? :) 16:26:20 *** _dp_ [~dP@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe69:152c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:22 *** dP [~dP@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe69:152c] has joined #openttd 16:26:24 *** dP is now known as _dp_ 16:28:16 <LadyHawk> ahhh can't help you there sorry.. only moved over there 11 years ago 16:28:24 <LadyHawk> google will know =) 16:29:53 <drac_boy> yeah its ok, was just curious about modelling in general .. I'll keep checking some more websites later .. maybe after I eat :) 16:30:20 <drac_boy> might find something from SR if I recall right that they had a rather early 3rd rail system 16:30:29 <LadyHawk> hehe, good luck with your digging 16:30:31 <drac_boy> hope you having fun not being too lazy btw :P 16:30:34 <drac_boy> heh ty 16:30:41 <LadyHawk> im having fun being lazy 16:30:43 <LadyHawk> :D 16:30:47 <drac_boy> silly lady :p 16:30:53 <drac_boy> anyway bye for till next time? ;) 16:31:09 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 16:32:33 <Alberth> done playing with the mines? :) 16:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> minesweeper? :p 16:36:16 <Alberth> massive transport of coal :) 16:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know :p 16:38:21 *** s8n [~s8n@p2003006A6C1C5B0081F2F0D8F9479CBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:53 *** _dp_ [~dP@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe69:152c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:00 *** dP [~dP@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe69:152c] has joined #openttd 16:40:01 *** dP is now known as _dp_ 16:54:38 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d8218a1.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:54:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:13 <Alberth> o/ 17:03:20 <andythenorth> o/ 17:04:21 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:07:17 <Wolf01> reboot 18:07:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:07:35 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:16:37 <Alberth> it worked :) 18:23:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A464.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:57 *** _dp_ [~dP@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe69:152c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:03 <andythenorth> hmm 18:37:12 <andythenorth> I ask for forum suggestions, and for once there are none :P 18:37:17 <andythenorth> how rare 18:39:00 <Alberth> perhaps wrong forum? :p 18:44:36 <andythenorth> possibly :P 18:45:33 <frosch123> maybe they got too excited about the release :p 18:48:10 <andythenorth> :) 18:50:32 * andythenorth wonders if GS can manipulate town rating 18:50:40 <andythenorth> or otherwise prevent building 18:51:15 <andythenorth> got an idea for a âcorruptionâ GS 18:51:23 <Alberth> considering the explosion of city builder scripts, my guess is yes 18:51:34 <andythenorth> towns have random, highly variable mafia / bribe requirements 18:51:50 <andythenorth> and also there is a national government that randomly clamps down on corruption 18:51:55 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:52:15 <frosch123> andythenorth: gs can remove company property, as long as there is no vehicle ni the way 18:52:15 <andythenorth> is Monopoly (board game) played outside of English-speaking countries? 18:52:30 <frosch123> you can bulldoze rails, roads and canals 18:52:37 <Alberth> let me guess, both sides think my company is a target? :) 18:52:42 <Alberth> andythenorth: yes 18:53:02 <andythenorth> there is a property tax card in the chance cards in monopoly 18:53:05 <frosch123> andythenorth: it's the most famous terribly-designed board game, yes 18:53:05 <andythenorth> which can wipe you out 18:53:09 <andythenorth> itâs bad yes 18:53:22 <andythenorth> allegedly designed to promote socialism, unless thatâs an urban myth 18:53:37 <frosch123> everyone who tries to explain good and bad gameplay, uses monopoly as a bad example :) 18:53:59 <Alberth> hmm, I was too young to notice such things :p 18:54:34 <andythenorth> when you connect a town you get a GS dialogue, with options for bribes 18:54:51 <andythenorth> some towns want more than others 18:55:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:15 <andythenorth> you can choose to be ethical or not 18:56:29 <andythenorth> and every so often a corruption investigation might be triggered 18:56:45 <andythenorth> you lose a lot of money or infrastructure if youâre found to be highly corrupt 18:59:50 <Alberth> wouldn't work for me, but ymmv 19:02:40 <andythenorth> doesnât work for me either 19:02:53 <andythenorth> idea came about because I was thinking of post-colonial FIRS economy 19:03:55 <frosch123> do a pre-colonial gs :p 19:04:43 <frosch123> the map is empty except for some start items, and the gs adds towns and industries in the directions you expand 19:05:32 <andythenorth> I want to do that 19:05:45 <andythenorth> âConquer the Westâ or something 19:06:16 <andythenorth> I have too many unfinished newgrfs right now, and I donât want to do Squirrel on my own :P 19:06:34 <frosch123> so do a firewater economy 19:06:52 <frosch123> farms don't give you anything, until you delivered them with firewater once 19:07:16 <frosch123> single-delivery supplies 19:07:17 <andythenorth> what game is that from? o_O 19:07:46 <frosch123> no idea, just imagine the farm has always been there, but they do not care about your weird trains 19:08:07 <frosch123> at start only harbors supply cargo 19:08:29 <frosch123> one of them is firewater (1 item per month or something silly) 19:08:46 <frosch123> you have to deliver that to some industry, which only then starts production 19:09:00 <frosch123> possibly you do not even see the production potential in advance 19:09:24 <frosch123> it adds some weird micromanagement to expansion, maybe it sucks, maybe it is cool 19:09:34 <frosch123> may need disabling of aircraft though 19:09:37 <frosch123> else it is pointless 19:11:41 <frosch123> maybe you find a better name than "firewater" though :p 19:11:51 <planetmaker> liquid fire :P 19:11:56 <frosch123> maybe "harvesting licence"? 19:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> allegedly designed to promote socialism, unless thatâs an urban myth <-- well, that was some earlier version before it got popular and unbalanced 19:19:37 <andythenorth> frosch123: is that what the âworkers industriesâ grf does? o_O 19:19:40 * andythenorth hasnât played it 19:20:03 <frosch123> me neither 19:20:16 <frosch123> but i don't think so 19:20:33 <frosch123> all grfs i have seen require constant supply of supplies 19:20:37 <Alberth> it makes pax work for their existence, afaik 19:20:47 <frosch123> in this case you have an extremly rare resource, which you only need to supply once though 19:21:18 <frosch123> if one harbour supplies 12 units per year 19:21:23 <Alberth> like uranium bars, produced once every 10-15 years :p 19:21:48 <frosch123> you can micromanage some vehicle with 1 capacity to activate 12 industries in that year 19:22:38 <frosch123> there are no real means to stockpile such cargo, unless you use the 100% cheat 19:23:08 <frosch123> but if you deliver all to one industry, they are all gone, and you cannot activate any new industries 19:24:25 <frosch123> but, meh, may also be just annoying :p 19:24:37 <frosch123> bbl 19:27:34 * andythenorth files it away as an idea 19:27:58 <andythenorth> Iâm going to try an economy where ~half the industry types arenât built at map gen 19:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have an order "load only 1 piece of cargo", though 19:28:17 <andythenorth> so you have to earn money on exports, then build them yourself 19:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't i suggest that years ago for a "development country" economy? 19:53:19 *** _dp_ [~dP@ppp78-37-141-124.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #openttd 20:01:45 *** s8n [~s8n@p2003006A6C1C5B0081F2F0D8F9479CBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: s8n] 20:11:31 <andythenorth> maybe 20:11:39 <andythenorth> could be time to do it 20:18:27 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 20:19:45 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 20:21:52 <Terkhen> good night 20:22:23 <Alberth> good night Terkhen 20:22:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: can you remember any more ideas? o_O 20:22:30 <andythenorth> bye Terkhen 20:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, unless you give clues to it :p 20:22:53 <Alberth> lol 20:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, really, most of my memories are tied to a specific context, and thus are almost impossible to access from outside that context. 20:24:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A464.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:16 <andythenorth> it possibly came up when I was designing Heart of Darkness? 20:26:26 <andythenorth> (which Iâm now replacing, no longer happy about it) 20:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> why replace it, if you can just make a new one? 20:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe other people are more happy about your stuff than you are? :p 20:33:51 <Alberth> that's nothing new :p 20:34:12 <Alberth> gn 20:34:27 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:40:38 <andythenorth> in this case I donât want to use the name anymore 20:41:30 <andythenorth> I have read a lot of Conrad, but I have also understood, that for some Africans, what he writes is unquestionably racist and offensive 20:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> then call it "colonial"? 20:42:19 <andythenorth> something like that yes 20:42:42 <andythenorth> itâs also a bit unsatisfactory to play, itâs a few more industries & cargos than âbasicâ 20:43:01 <andythenorth> but not enough to be âcomplex' 20:43:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that i cannot judge 20:43:23 <andythenorth> the mechanic of âall cargo goes to portsâ gets old fast 20:43:38 <andythenorth> although it did cause ports to get added to FIRS, which has been beneficial 20:47:23 * andythenorth also enjoyed this video https://vimeo.com/97269115 20:47:29 <andythenorth> NSFW, probably 20:47:45 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:36 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i have difficulty understanding her 21:07:04 <frosch123> it gets better after 10 minutes 21:07:11 <frosch123> or i got used to the voice and noise 21:13:42 *** GenevaMode [~Adium@90.212.89.0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:17:50 * andythenorth bed 21:17:51 <andythenorth> bye 21:17:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:44:13 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:58:11 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:59:38 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 22:02:57 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d8218a1.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still not quite sure what her point was, except for "don't give a man a fish, teach him how to fish" 22:11:38 *** GenevaMode [~Adium@90.212.89.0] has joined #openttd 22:12:08 <planetmaker> g'night 22:23:59 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 22:28:49 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-118-116.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:33:12 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d009a37.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:38:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A464.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:40:43 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 23:42:34 *** GenevaMode [~Adium@90.212.89.0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:48:37 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:53 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d8218a1.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:14 <Wolf01> 'night 23:53:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]