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[~wolf01@host2-232-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:08:44 <Wolf01> hi o/ 11:10:46 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:40 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 11:29:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD46D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:58 <DDR> Hiiii 11:30:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD46D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:32:48 *** gnu_jj [~quassel@ipbcc36ea9.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:01 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C5EDD00A4B5FABCEFCA45FF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:01 *** gnu_jj [~quassel@ipbcc36ea9.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:44 *** gnu_jj [~quassel@ipbcc36ea9.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 12:04:52 *** day [~day@101.165.99.116] has joined #openttd 12:08:15 *** gnu_jj 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[Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:28 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:46 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/am98ZN4_460sv.mp4 oh f***k, oh f***k, wait... 16:36:10 <Alberth> ha :) 16:37:59 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 16:38:10 <George> Hi 16:39:26 <_dp_> pbs in action 16:39:34 <George> Does anyone know when do NMLC generates "error nmlc ERROR: Syntax error, unexpected end-of-file" ? 16:41:01 <Alberth> quite likely when it misses some closing thing, like a } somewhere 16:41:35 <George> FAR plugin says all {} are correct 16:42:14 <Alberth> a ) then? 16:42:23 <George> Also :( 16:42:34 <Alberth> ] ? 16:42:42 <George> Also 16:43:02 <Alberth> ie some symbol that opens a new list-like scope, and needs a closing symbol at the end 16:43:04 <Wolf01> BOM? 16:43:11 <Alberth> nah 16:43:16 <George> What is BOM? 16:43:28 <Alberth> that would be a decoding error 16:44:00 <Alberth> BOM is a special sequence of characters in unicode that defines the encoding of the document 16:44:21 <Alberth> it is discouraged but some editors insert it anyway :( 16:44:45 <George> what is the hex form for BOM? 16:44:53 <Wolf01> then it might be one of the '"` and all the others i can't even type because i don't have a mac :P 16:45:15 <Alberth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark 16:45:40 <Alberth> but NML handles BOM 16:46:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:24 <Wolf01> good to know, i had bad times with that shit in html :| 16:46:27 <V453000> George: it happened to me when I used the sort for purchase list and it had no things inside of it 16:46:32 <V453000> I think 16:46:49 <V453000> no that was actually an internal error 16:46:54 <V453000> hm somewhere else 16:46:55 <Alberth> does FAR plugin understand comments? maybe you didn't close it? 16:47:07 <V453000> but where ._. I definitely saw end of file error before 16:47:10 <Alberth> hmm, does nml have /* */ style comment at all? 16:47:19 <V453000> yes for npp+ 16:47:31 <V453000> yeah /**/ 16:47:40 <Alberth> ah, so missing */ could be a problem :) 16:48:11 <Alberth> does FAR plugin understand comments of NML? 16:48:24 <Alberth> maybe it's counting ) } or ] in comments too 16:50:27 <George> What a pity NMLC does not report a string of the error 16:51:09 <V453000> paste the code and lets see 16:51:20 <V453000> Alberth: no 16:51:20 <Alberth> in case of missing */ that could be a few MB error :) 16:52:12 <Alberth> not understanding or not counting :) 16:52:15 <Alberth> ? 16:53:42 <planetmaker> hi hi 16:53:42 <George> I can't upload it to https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ - it fails (10 mb) 16:54:06 <V453000> counting 16:54:10 <V453000> XD 16:54:16 <V453000> hi pm :) 16:54:18 <Alberth> ok 16:54:24 <planetmaker> George, a text editor with appropriate highlighting could do the trick to show you where it goes wrong. There's highlighting files available for some editors 16:54:28 <planetmaker> oh, and happy new year :) 16:54:39 <Alberth> best wishes planetmaker 16:54:41 <V453000> happy new year 16:54:57 <V453000> yeah notepad++ should show that no problem 16:55:04 <George> Yes I use FAR's editor with colouring plugin 16:55:06 <planetmaker> V453000, I promised to look at some repo for you. Can you remind me which? 16:55:27 <planetmaker> George, it needs the *appropriate* colouring plug-in which understands the syntax 16:56:20 <planetmaker> other colouring plug-ins may work 90%, but fail for detection of un-terminated comments 16:56:44 <V453000> planetmaker: BRIX 16:56:52 <V453000> :) 16:58:09 <Alberth> George from the end of the file look for "*/" (ie find the last */ in your file). Note the line. Then look for "/*" from the end. The latter should be higher in the file. 16:58:50 <Alberth> gtg now 17:00:11 <George> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/24 17:00:36 <George> Can it show such errors? 17:01:41 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/LATEST/ <-- I'd use the one which comes with your (or the latest) NML version 17:01:49 <^Spike^> George what did you try to upload that big? :) 17:01:56 <planetmaker> there are xml for notepad++ and kate 17:02:13 <^Spike^> if i know what i might be able to tweak it for paste, but in general it's a paste :) 17:02:24 <George> ^Spike^: xussr set nml 17:02:53 <planetmaker> in case of doubt, use c++ syntax-highlighting, George 17:02:54 <^Spike^> hmm 17:03:23 <V453000> nice, NUTS only has 2.7MB 17:03:36 <^Spike^> i think it's the webserver limit somewhere then 17:06:16 <George> I've instlled xml from http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/LATEST/ for notepad++ - how can I find the unexpected EOL now? 17:14:56 <^Spike^> George does it happen to give you an error perhaps when you try it? 17:15:25 <George> ^Spike^: what do you mean? 17:15:44 <^Spike^> when you try to paste the 10mb does it give an error msg or just fails? 17:16:57 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:06 <^Spike^> i think you hit a limit :) 17:19:29 <George> 413 Request Entity Too Large nginx/1.9.0 17:19:38 <^Spike^> i shall fix nginx aswell then :) 17:20:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:10 <^Spike^> George you can try again i don't give any guarantees considering i can't paste the lorem ipsum i got 139 times to get 10MB of data :) 17:25:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:20 <George> strange, but this time I can't even press the paste button. 17:43:33 <planetmaker> V453000, George your repos should now be there and ready for your use 17:43:39 <V453000> =D 17:43:43 <V453000> thank you so much :) 17:43:54 <George> planetmaker: thank you 17:44:20 <V453000> I cannot check right now but I will try to push tomorrow evening 17:44:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:57 <planetmaker> no rush either ;) 17:45:16 <V453000> :) 17:45:30 <V453000> not using any textures, so will push 3D sources as well this time 17:45:54 <V453000> 300MB atm ... 17:47:32 <^Spike^> planetmaker you object if i also send disk notifications to V? ;) 17:47:37 <^Spike^> to prevent yeti all over again ;) 17:48:22 <V453000> brix will not be translated 17:48:24 <V453000> solves all 17:48:26 <^Spike^> hehe 17:48:35 <^Spike^> there is 1 language... none? :) 17:48:40 <V453000> yes 17:48:45 <^Spike^> good point :) 17:50:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DD15.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:50:58 <V453000> and I will only push 3D sources with releases 17:51:06 <V453000> renders are a lot too in this case though 17:51:21 <V453000> shitload of big sprites 17:51:24 <^Spike^> as said we got checks for that, and automated cleanup by now 17:51:28 <V453000> x2 cause render & final sprites 17:53:38 <V453000> what checks btw? :) 17:53:52 <^Spike^> disk checks that you don't fill up the nfs share again :D 17:53:59 <^Spike^> aka you get e-mails! :) 17:54:00 <V453000> XD 17:54:06 <V453000> I dont want any emails 17:54:09 <^Spike^> hehe 17:54:11 <V453000> got shitload of emails already 17:55:40 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:57:17 <V453000> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=188797 http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=188719 <3 18:00:38 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db607cf.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:37 <Alberth> the light at the edges of the track (where it changes to the grey background isn't correct, is it? 18:15:31 <Alberth> ie at the up-ramp of the yellow bridge, tracks show light is coming from the right, yet, the gravel at the right is darker than at the left 18:25:52 <V453000> I understand not :0 18:26:41 <V453000> tracks on bridges have a dark grey background 18:26:45 <V453000> but what is the issue? 18:27:04 <V453000> the dark grey background is not like grass which is much brighter 18:29:32 <V453000> the light is coming from the same angle all the time, everything you see in this picture except trees is rendered in one scene, with one - same - sun 18:36:08 <Alberth> track is under the grey stuff then? 18:36:44 <Alberth> maybe it's the uniform grey then, but the grey + gravel look flat-ish to me 18:36:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f7423a0.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:58 <Alberth> hoi, and best wishes 18:37:31 <frosch123> hola :) 18:37:48 <Alberth> tracks show sun is coming from the right 18:39:00 <Alberth> yet, the gravel at the left (which I until now assumed to be on top of the grey stuff) is lighter rather than darker, which you'd expect as its surface is away from the sun 18:39:20 <Alberth> (ie I expect it to be darker) 18:39:25 <Alberth> but it's not 18:39:48 <V453000> ahhh 18:40:12 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:23 <V453000> the gravel is a hole in surface, not surface - on top of it gravel - on top of it sleepers and tracsk 18:40:25 <Alberth> maybe it's lack of shadow on the grey stuff at the left from the gravel or so 18:40:56 <V453000> the reason is that when you render tracks, you need to finish the edges of the sprite which should connect at Z coordinate of 0 18:41:00 <V453000> to make them connect properly 18:41:16 <V453000> of course it could be hacked but I would need more 3D models for it, which I did not feel like making yet 18:41:42 <V453000> so the easiest way to do it is to have rail tops at 0, then a hole, and the track model (gravel) end at 0 again 18:41:45 <V453000> does that make sense? 18:43:24 <Alberth> maybe I am having a hard time with the small holes then? I can see you want an non-straight edge, but holes? 18:43:38 <V453000> sure 18:43:38 <Alberth> I understand the technical reason now :) 18:44:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:30 <V453000> the technical stuff could easily be fixed just by making 2 models, one for each view 18:44:42 <V453000> but ehhh, making stuff align properly is enough hell this way already 18:44:50 <peter1138> needs some ambient occlusion 18:45:25 <V453000> needs a lot of things, but yeah that could help tons 18:46:04 <V453000> at the same time though, in a lot of places there is a TON of hacks and illusions, and occlusion could actually show some XD 18:46:10 <peter1138> So has that patch for rails been tried yet? :p 18:46:19 <V453000> idk :[ 18:46:45 <Alberth> maybe the edge of the hole is wrong then? http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=188719 If you look at the down-ramp of the SW/NE tunnel, how can the NW edge be darker then the flat gravel in between the tracks? 18:47:14 <Alberth> ie tunnel left-top to bottom right 18:47:17 <andythenorth> o/ 18:47:30 <Alberth> euhm, bottom left to top right, even 18:48:01 <Alberth> moin andy 18:48:18 <V453000> well the edges are different colour, the dark/bright you mean has nothing to do with shading probably 18:48:55 <V453000> I thought the mud at the edges near ground would be wet, middle of tracks dry 18:48:58 <V453000> just visual thing though 18:49:11 <V453000> hi north 18:49:47 <Alberth> add yetis sprinkling the edge then, maybe :) 18:50:23 <V453000> xd 18:51:45 <Alberth> well, I don't know, it breaks the illusion in some way, but it's hard to put my finger on it 18:52:01 <V453000> regardless, I agree that typical "gravel is a heap below tracks" would make a lot more sense 18:52:40 <andythenorth> stupid isnâternet 18:52:45 <andythenorth> slow 18:52:51 <V453000> and maybe just mirroring the model would actually still work with the same model 18:52:52 * andythenorth canât see yeti picture 18:52:53 <V453000> hmmmmmmmmm 18:52:59 <V453000> I really dont want to redo rail tracks again XD 18:53:08 <Alberth> yeah well, you also dig deep holes for bulldozing, it seems :) 18:53:25 <V453000> YES 18:53:29 <V453000> dozing = nuking 18:53:32 <Alberth> which is not expected, but looks very nice, imho :) 18:54:01 <andythenorth> +1 18:54:15 <V453000> yes especially under radio tower, beacon, power plant or a house 18:54:36 <V453000> these sprites will be made so that they cover the hole, in X mode the hole will be visible 18:54:44 <Alberth> :D 18:55:53 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 18:55:54 <Alberth> perhaps just radio tower and beacon? it should stay a bit special-ish imho 18:56:09 <V453000> ? 18:56:24 <Alberth> "house" is a lot of holes 18:56:39 <Alberth> so it becomes normal rather than an exception 18:56:40 <V453000> the second bulldozed tile is used in many places, under some houses, under some industries, and under radio/beacon 18:56:59 <andythenorth> something is off about the SW-NE down slopes, but canât figure out what 18:57:00 <V453000> I cant do much with that 18:57:29 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:57:33 <andythenorth> they look like theyâre 30 degree horizontal curves, not vertical slopes 18:57:42 <andythenorth> dunno wtf causes that 18:57:49 <andythenorth> the SE-NW slopes look great 18:58:09 <V453000> different angle, less shadows 18:58:10 <V453000> simple 18:58:35 <V453000> I will probably make a sort of 3-point lighting instead of 1 sun 18:58:40 <V453000> to solve exactly this kind of shit 18:58:44 <andythenorth> ah fuck, itâs the underlying tile colour :) 18:58:49 <andythenorth> nothing to do with the track 18:58:52 <V453000> oh 18:58:53 <V453000> hm 18:59:04 <V453000> well the terrrain slope shading will change lots 18:59:10 <V453000> got a ticket on that already 19:00:54 <V453000> I just thought about it yesterday ... I will make the materials on the sloped terrain tiles different 19:01:05 <andythenorth> wise 19:01:19 <V453000> will look relatively natural and do not need to mess with postproduction and do adjustments with some masks 19:01:49 <V453000> or of course I could also do adjustments only to sloped terrain in postproduction 19:01:52 <V453000> will see 19:02:01 <Alberth> so great, you're getting fooled, and you don't even see it :p 19:02:03 <andythenorth> V453000: (to confirm only what I mean is what you mean) https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7600/BRIX.png 19:02:12 <andythenorth> blue circle = obvious down slope 19:02:20 <andythenorth> red circle = not obvious, looks flat 19:02:25 <V453000> yes 19:02:36 <V453000> we mean the same 19:02:36 <andythenorth> yay 19:02:45 <V453000> fuken slope shading = hell with 3D 19:03:04 <andythenorth> ach just use different textures per slope? :P 19:03:22 <V453000> yeah, that or apply adjustments in post 19:03:35 <V453000> applying adjustments in post lets me see the result better but it less precise 19:03:51 <V453000> might first do it in post, then get the values and translate them to the material 19:03:53 <V453000> sort of 19:04:06 * andythenorth likes solving visual puzzles :) 19:04:06 <V453000> but translating brightness adjustments to materials is WTF 19:04:09 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:17 <V453000> maybe if I just duplicate the sprite and let it overlay itself to make the effect clearer would be enough 19:05:26 <V453000> lazy solutions are crawling in XD 19:06:35 <andythenorth> always 19:11:46 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:24:08 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:30:04 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [] 19:34:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:35:54 <_dp_> is there a way to see where does openttd get opengfx from? 19:36:27 <_dp_> coz it certainly is somewhere but I can't find it %) 19:43:27 <V453000> ? :d 19:46:46 <frosch123> try some -d parameter 19:48:28 <frosch123> _dp_: for example "-d misc=1" 19:48:31 <frosch123> lists all tar files 19:48:40 <frosch123> and ogfx probably is inside a tar 19:49:00 <_dp_> frosch123, yeah, ty, it shows something... 19:49:29 <_dp_> -d 3 20:27:17 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:31 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d026bcb.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Yo.] 21:21:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DD15.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:38 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:06:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:15:23 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@82.210.156.68] has quit [] 22:22:11 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:26:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18D4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:04 *** mykoserocin [~mykoseroc@000214a6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:19 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db607cf.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:46:26 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C5EDD00A4B5FABCEFCA45FF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: iostat] 23:02:22 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 23:20:35 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:21:13 <Wolf01> 'night 23:21:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:25:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f7423a0.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:25:41 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:57 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:37:39 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:59 *** gnu_jj [~quassel@ipbcc36ea9.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]