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08:39:05  <Wolf01> o/
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08:54:17  <planetmaker> moin
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10:36:19  <argoneus> mornink
10:36:22  <argoneus> hey V453000
10:36:25  <argoneus> you play aoe2 right
10:36:35  <V453000> yo
10:36:40  <V453000> yes, occassionally
10:36:57  <argoneus> do you do mp or campaign or whatever?
10:37:09  <V453000> rarely campaign
10:37:21  <V453000> mostly mp or skirmishSP
10:39:25  <argoneus> noice
10:39:25  <argoneus> civ of choice?
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10:39:25  <argoneus> inb4 huns
10:39:43  <V453000> I play random almost always
10:40:05  <V453000> each has something
10:40:26  <V453000> but playing vikings on a land map is kind of meh :)
10:40:43  <V453000> I probably like mongols the most
10:40:49  <V453000> turks probably the least
10:40:54  <Alberth> moin
10:40:55  <argoneus> dude turks are awesome
10:40:59  <V453000> magyars are fucking sick
10:41:02  <argoneus> gunpowder memes
10:41:03  <argoneus> oh dlc
10:41:08  <V453000> yeah, as long as you have gold
10:41:13  <V453000> turks have terrible trash
10:41:53  <argoneus> well
10:41:58  <argoneus> you can make regular hand cannons
10:42:00  <argoneus> + heavy camels
10:42:03  <V453000> still costs gold
10:42:04  <argoneus> good luck countering that
10:42:15  <argoneus> just press villager
10:42:17  <argoneus> rightclick gold
10:42:18  <argoneus> profit
10:42:34  <V453000> well, at one point gold runs out on the map
10:42:36  <V453000> relatively quickly
10:42:46  <argoneus> do you do team games?
10:42:49  <V453000> sure, you have trade but even that is usually not enough
10:42:49  <argoneus> or 1v1s
10:42:55  <V453000> team games usually
10:42:59  <argoneus> when you get your market
10:43:03  <argoneus> you should start pumping those carts
10:43:09  <argoneus> until you have like 40-50 of them
10:43:14  <argoneus> now this is gold mining
10:43:15  <V453000> yeah and die to first knight rush
10:43:16  <V453000> :>
10:43:30  <argoneus> which maps do you play? arabia?
10:43:42  <V453000> generally quite random, but yes arabia-ish
10:43:50  <argoneus> you can generally wall off 3 sides of your base
10:43:54  <argoneus> and force him to come from one
10:43:56  <argoneus> where you have spearmen
10:43:58  <argoneus> or something
10:44:09  <V453000> yeah, which makes you get to castle later and not have stone for TCs
10:44:20  <argoneus> you wall with your production buildings and houses
10:44:21  <argoneus> not walls
10:44:26  <argoneus> or you use palisades
10:44:28  <V453000> of course you do
10:44:30  <argoneus> stone is useful
10:44:35  <argoneus> you can sell it or buy tcs
10:44:39  <V453000> but on open maps it aint so easy
10:44:45  <argoneus> well
10:44:49  <argoneus> in a team game
10:44:57  <argoneus> one or two directions are generally your teammates
10:45:09  <argoneus> and you can wall one or two relatively easily usually with houses/barracks/blacksmith/whatever
10:45:14  <argoneus> and put your army in the last one
10:45:28  <V453000> yeye sure
10:45:34  <argoneus> I mean
10:45:38  <argoneus> there's always a gap
10:45:44  <argoneus> but you can at least try forcing him to move into your spearmen
10:45:45  <argoneus> then again
10:45:53  <argoneus> if he's not dumb he'll just run away from them and kill your villagers
10:45:54  <argoneus> :D
10:46:07  <V453000> I prefer to get my own knights or xbows instead of spearmen
10:46:45  <argoneus> well
10:46:50  <argoneus> if you have a quick castle yourself
10:47:07  <argoneus> I was assuming you're going more eco and are still feudal
10:47:08  <V453000> yeah which only costs 650 stone you could invest into TCs and farms
10:47:16  <argoneus> quick castle age*
10:47:38  <V453000> assuming not going fast castle is kind of ... :) but yeah on arabia it is not always the best idea
10:47:49  <argoneus> shrug
10:47:54  <argoneus> I generally go for archer rush
10:48:09  <argoneus> to punish fast castling
10:48:14  <V453000> hehe :)
10:48:16  <argoneus> people don't really make skirmishers early on
10:48:19  <argoneus> only the AI loves its skirmishers
10:48:21  <argoneus> fuck skirmishers
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10:48:26  <V453000> haha yes
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10:49:28  <V453000> what elo do you have? might invite you for a game later
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10:53:25  <argoneus> my elo is rather shit, I mostly play with friends
10:53:33  <argoneus> I'm not that good at the game, mostly just read things
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10:53:43  <argoneus> it's like 1620 after 4 games
10:54:14  <argoneus> so if you do invite me don't expect me to carry :P
10:54:27  <argoneus> my real elo is probably somewhere around 1600 too
10:57:23  <V453000> well I also get my ass kicked in 1800+ games even though I have around 1750 but idk :) just having fun
10:58:03  <argoneus> idk why but I hate 1v1s
10:58:09  <argoneus> in every game pretty much
10:58:24  <argoneus> too much pressure, one mistake and it's over
10:58:40  <V453000> 1v1s are awesome, but yeah, pressure, being serious, just not for me anymore
10:58:56  <argoneus> I had enough of pressure and 1v1s in brood war
10:58:58  <argoneus> and sc2
10:59:11  <argoneus> I don't want to play aoe2 to watch my replays over and over again and figure out build orders
10:59:14  <argoneus> :D
11:03:11  <argoneus> also I like black forest scrubbing
11:03:26  <argoneus> it eliminates any fear of a knight rush and I can just focus on my macro and then still end up with more units than the enemies
11:03:33  <argoneus> because people around 1600 can't make villagers or I don't know
11:03:55  <argoneus> or maybe it's people playing black forest aren't very good
11:04:32  <argoneus> V453000: do you go for boar+deer, just boar or is it too much effort?
11:05:01  <V453000> any food I can get, to get to castle asap :)
11:05:20  <argoneus> I wish the game was more responsive
11:05:23  <argoneus> the netcode isn't great
11:05:30  <V453000> the delay is utter horseshit
11:05:36  <argoneus> and the attackmove doesn't really work
11:05:50  <argoneus> >attackmove my cavalry archers into enemy army
11:06:00  <argoneus> >they volley the siege rams in front
11:06:04  <argoneus> thanks i guess
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11:12:23  <V453000> Well that is how the game is :) you can micro better :P also, longbows in BF games would be fuck OP without this shit with rams :)
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11:13:13  <V453000> Same with plumed archers etc
11:15:25  <V453000> Also the african kingdoms are nice
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11:44:29  <argoneus> I only bought forgotten kingdoms
11:44:34  <argoneus> realized people still play vanilla more in MP
11:44:39  <argoneus> and haven't touched it since
11:44:45  <argoneus> well
11:44:49  <argoneus> "vanilla" == "the conquerors"
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15:08:38  <__ln__> http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/01/japan-keeps-this-defunct-train-station-running-for-just-one-passenger/423273/
15:13:23  <Wolf01> nice, i may go there in march
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15:26:58  <Alberth> 15 sites that want to run scripts?
15:34:57  <Wolf01> i enable scripts only for the main site
15:35:13  <Wolf01> if the content still doesn't show up i close the page :P
15:36:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i disabled all scripts...
15:37:11  <Eddi|zuHause> also, i was just flying around, when i looked up and there was a solar eclipse...
15:38:48  <argoneus> what are you guys working on?
15:38:56  <Wolf01> procrastinating
15:39:26  <Eddi|zuHause> making a mun base
15:40:24  <Wolf01> every time i open my game it gives me headaches, and for the real work, i'm still waiting for the customer qhich "i'll give the pictures today's afternoon"... yesterday
15:41:52  <Wolf01> also i bet i won't see the money for this work
15:50:19  <argoneus> Wolf01: which game??
15:50:33  <Wolf01> the game i'm developing
16:06:28  <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a8M44PZ_460s.jpg eh
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16:14:08  <Eddi|zuHause> is that new for you?
16:14:51  <Wolf01> no, i knew them all, but i never tried to put them together
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16:34:03  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, turns out you can't run an atmosphere test while submerged in water...
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16:45:27  <Mazur> Depends,when you're near the surface, and the sun is shining, it creates a rather nice atmosphere, I think.
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18:30:22  <luizrpgamer> hi devs and all :)
18:31:37  <luizrpgamer> sorry for the question that has nothing to do with OpenTTD, but anybody here want to continue to develop lincity-ng game?
18:33:19  <luizrpgamer> or make a fork of lincity-ng game?
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18:33:42  <frosch123> never played it specifically, but i think that genre does not have enough depth
18:35:14  <Alberth> o/
18:35:21  <Alberth> it's a pretty slow game
18:45:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27491 trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt (2016-01-09 19:45:38 +0100 )
18:45:46  <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints:
18:45:47  <DorpsGek> croatian: 1 change by VoyagerOne
18:46:41  <luizrpgamer> but it would be possible to continue to develop it leaving it less slow? for example, OpenTTD? the game for me was abandoned in development issue
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19:04:37  <Alberth> I believe that would make it a quite completely new game
19:05:03  <Alberth> you'd have to design what to do between the actions you do now
19:05:24  <Alberth> nvm
19:08:19  <Wolf01> i still can't understand why do i need to explicit the constructor on a class which extends a base abstract class which already has a standard constructor
19:08:23  <Wolf01> in c#
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19:14:25  <Eddi|zuHause> KSP still crashy...
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19:26:24  <frosch123> it's so weird to write a regression test, that starts a webapplication, then runs stuff that communicates via http with it, and then kills everything again
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19:29:18  <Wolf01> are you testing the api of something?
19:29:28  <frosch123> eints
19:29:55  <frosch123> makefile -> start eints, wait 2 seconds, run tests, kill eints
19:33:17  <m1cr0man> Hey lads
19:33:19  <Wolf01> @work we had a discussion about the right way to test apis, it came out that you don't need to test the api directly, you only need to make sure the client is able to comunicate, but instead you should test the functions of the system with unit tests instead
19:33:27  <m1cr0man> Have you considered trying to push openttd through steam greenlight?
19:34:14  <frosch123> that idea was discarded 5 years ago
19:34:22  <frosch123> Wolf01: yes, true in theory
19:34:38  <frosch123> but i don't want to refactor eints completely :p
19:34:47  <Wolf01> you don't need to refactor
19:34:53  <Wolf01> at least not so much
19:35:04  <Wolf01> ok, it depends on how it's really written
19:35:45  <frosch123> i may have to write a complete mock for bottle and the http lib
19:36:09  <Wolf01> no, just mock some standard responses
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19:38:08  <Wolf01> you might spend a week writing unit tests, but at the end you are pretty sure that they tell you if the app is broken
19:41:56  <Wolf01> also.. the proof i don't think enough before typing code: how i'm supposed to use a windows service which doesn't have an interface to manage the connected devices via companion app? a local companion app?
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19:59:21  <V453000> wtf just spent 2.5h with just one aoe game
19:59:29  <V453000> uninstalling immediately XD evening gone
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20:00:41  <Wolf01> hah! n00b, i spent 6 hours on a stalled supreme commander game
20:01:12  <Wolf01> then i decided to build a superweapon
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20:27:51  <V453000> anybody with some audio knowledge? Trying to decide between Audioengine A2+ and bose companion 20
20:30:49  <V453000> want them for office on the table, so size is kind of a thing, dont want sub for the same reason
20:31:57  <frosch123> what? speakers for the office? do your roommates know about that? :p otherwise you should rather look for headphones
20:33:19  <V453000> those I have, but I am often alone in the whole office
20:34:08  <V453000> it is wtf hard to choose audio hardware based on internet reviews and stuff
20:34:39  <V453000> one group of nerds like those, one group of nerds likes these. same as apple x android in phones, or whatever else
20:35:06  <frosch123> hehe, with pc hardware i switched to buying professional hardware
20:35:26  <V453000> how does one distinguish professional hardware?
20:35:26  <frosch123> i was tired of every description saying "this is the best graphics card ever"
20:35:31  <V453000> he
20:35:41  <frosch123> but noone telling me whether it would drive two screens
20:36:24  <frosch123> V453000: for pc there are usually complete separate series. but you notice them that they have a huge amount of numbers and facts and less bullshit talk
20:36:55  <frosch123> as for graphics cards: number of screens supported, resolutions, number of shaders, number of triangles per second, ...
20:37:10  <V453000> meh I just got gtx 980 Ti :P
20:37:26  <m1cr0man> Theres is a method to the madness, at least on the nvidia side of things
20:37:34  <m1cr0man> and there are general rules you can follow too
20:37:39  <m1cr0man> sound is a different deal though
20:38:20  <V453000> yeah sound is super subjective
20:39:07  <m1cr0man> I pulled an old Soundblast Audigy DG2 out of a parts box I found, which was built pre-2003 afaik. It sounds great and I use it for gaming + music all the time. But I have turtle beach headphones, and I have to push them against my head to hear bass
20:39:30  <m1cr0man> Also, its hard to tell what the soundblaster is doing until I use something else with the same headphones
20:40:06  <V453000> myeah
20:43:53  <frosch123> V453000: http://www.nvidia.com/object/compare-quadro-gpus.html <- for the professional series you get a plain table, i have been unable to ever find something similar for geforce
20:44:09  <V453000> heh
20:44:21  <V453000> well that is cute but for 3d graphics for me, quadro just does not cut it
20:44:34  <V453000> the sheer amount of cuda cores for the geforce just beats quadro to death
20:44:49  <V453000> esp when considering the price
20:45:29  <V453000> wtf do you use a quadro for anyway? XD
20:46:03  <frosch123> i just wanted in 2010 a card that drives two screens, and it was the only one that stated that non-ambiguous :p
20:46:10  <V453000> XD
20:46:32  <V453000> interesting.
20:46:35  <frosch123> as said, i only switched to the professional series, because it was impossible to know what the regular one did
20:47:01  <V453000> I see now :)
20:47:35  <frosch123> how many screens does your 980 ti support?
20:48:05  <V453000> I think 3
20:48:06  <Wolf01> my gtx780 supports 3 screens iirc
20:48:21  <frosch123> http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-980-ti <- i only get that long text of blabla
20:48:56  <frosch123> and that's when multiple screens are way more common than in 2010
20:49:39  <V453000> lol Limit 3 per household
20:51:47  <V453000> k up to 4 screens
20:52:04  <V453000> pretty sure I got this one http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-4992-KR
20:52:25  <V453000> I use 2 screens only anyway, and not thinking about adding a third ... but blender is enjoying this shit. :)
20:54:37  <V453000> I havent been able to get gpu rendering to work with 3ds max properly yet
20:54:45  <V453000> which is also kind of a shame ..
20:58:32  <V453000> I think I will go with bose
20:58:48  <V453000> either solution is probably good
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21:34:29  <Eddi|zuHause> "Sony wants to register the trademark 'let's play'"
21:34:44  <Eddi|zuHause> how can that even be legal?
21:36:53  <frosch123> the movie "pixels" did not become famous because of the movie
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21:46:43  <planetmaker> does "prior art" apply also to trademarks or is registering it possible when it's already used, and can be means to piss-off people?
21:47:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i know practically nothing about american trade mark law, and very little about the german one
21:47:49  <Eddi|zuHause> but trademarks are usually void if the term is "generic"
21:48:35  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: maybe you should trademark "trademark" including "®"
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21:49:44  <Eddi|zuHause> but the problem with that is that you usually have to go through expensive court battles to get that official.
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