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09:48:29 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 09:48:34 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:50:26 <peter1138> pretty much 09:53:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:54 *** mntasauri [~motesorri@192.73.232.107] has joined #openttd 10:13:35 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, sorry not yet... there was work work 10:17:09 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has joined #openttd 10:24:42 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:49 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:13:41 *** day [~day@CPE-60-226-8-38.wrcz1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: off to save the cats] 11:20:09 *** day [~day@CPE-60-226-8-38.wrcz1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:03:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 12:07:38 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 12:28:27 <Wolf01> nice, would I be able to do paris-amsterdam in 1 hour? 12:31:08 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:35 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:48 <argoneus> good morning train friends 12:44:08 <Wolf01> o/ 12:44:28 <argoneus> turns out dytech makes factorio fun 12:44:34 <argoneus> I'm not sure I can play vanilla anymore 12:45:14 <argoneus> having stuff like smart short long handed close inserter makes stuff more flexible 12:45:33 <argoneus> and the metallurgy thing is great 12:46:03 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:15:08 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:16:26 *** day [~day@CPE-60-226-8-38.wrcz1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: off to save the cats] 13:17:11 *** guru3_ [~guru3@109.200.19.187] has joined #openttd 13:18:01 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:41 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:25:02 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:55 <Wolf01> reboot 15:14:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 15:21:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:26 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d02469f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:02 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:28:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:54:45 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 16:18:08 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:05 *** tt_johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-195-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:42 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:15 <tt_johannes> where should one lookup the tile indices? 16:52:19 <tt_johannes> is there a tile pool? 16:52:51 <tt_johannes> e.g., BaseStation has a "TileIndex xy;" 16:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there are helper function that turn an (x,y) coordinate into a TileIndex and back 17:01:34 *** sla_ro|master2 [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 17:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> try src/map_func.h 17:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and to find out what's on the tile you need to use the map accessor functions (in src/*_map.h) 17:03:49 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1928F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:57 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:10 <tt_johannes> Eddi|zuHause: ah, ok, looks like a tileindex is just two tiles pushed into one 32 bit int 17:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there's no deep magic involved... 17:11:05 <planetmaker> but use the proper accessor functions. Don't re-invent the wheel 17:11:30 <planetmaker> get_tile_by_index or similar exists. etc 17:11:50 <tt_johannes> I know: TileX(), TileY(), right? 17:12:52 <tt_johannes> get_tile_by_index... does not exist 17:13:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's nonsense 17:14:49 <tt_johannes> :) 17:15:51 <_dp_> there are Industry::GetByTile(TileIndex) and similar 17:22:16 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 17:22:49 <tt_johannes> how to compile with -g ? something like CXXFLAGS=-g ./configure ? 17:25:33 <tt_johannes> --enable-debug=3 ? 17:25:35 <Alberth> ./configure --enable-debug=3 17:25:39 <tt_johannes> :) 17:28:54 <tt_johannes> hm it recompiled, but valgrind keeps saying: ==15017== at 0x855B95: VideoDriver_Graph::MainLoop() (in /data/cprogs/openttd/installed/games/openttd) 17:29:36 <tt_johannes> the CFLAGS variable has no -g 17:29:50 <tt_johannes> oh it has! 17:29:52 <tt_johannes> strange 17:31:19 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:45 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has joined #openttd 17:35:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d01323b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CDB2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:32 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:10:26 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:48 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 18:31:27 <Terkhen> Hello 18:32:48 <Rubidium> tt_johannes: running the wrong openttd binary? (i.e. not the built one but an installed one) 18:33:21 <tt_johannes> Rubidium: ah indeed! I had to run make install first! 18:35:18 <Alberth> make gdbrun or something? 18:35:52 <tt_johannes> valgrind should do it... 18:43:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B666.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was make run_gdb (or possibly run-gdb) 18:45:22 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C323E000455CF402D739E38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 <andythenorth> o/ 18:45:32 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has joined #openttd 18:45:39 <Alberth> hi hi 18:45:49 <Eddi|zuHause> whichever i pick, it's always the wrong one :p 18:47:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: those are better odds than an USB connector ;) 18:48:01 <andythenorth> so pypy3 for nml? 18:48:10 * andythenorth is trying to work out under what conditions it is better 18:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah. USB only ever works in the 3rd try :p 18:48:51 <andythenorth> for code changes only, a FIRS recompile with primed cache is *substantially* faster with pypy3 than any py3.x I have 18:49:14 <V453000> how great idea is it to have 6448 sprites per engine? XD 18:49:44 <andythenorth> awesome 18:50:04 <V453000> hm might need to almost double that 18:50:06 <V453000> XD 18:50:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CDB2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: depends on how big you expect people's sprite cache to be :p 18:50:24 <V453000> :) 18:50:56 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:26 <Alberth> one engine per newgrf? :) 18:51:38 <V453000> maybe? :D 18:52:58 <andythenorth> for a change to a single png and otherwise primed cache, the FIRS compile time with pypy3 (50s) is close to the unprimed cache condition (1m) 18:53:05 <andythenorth> which isâŠinteresting 18:53:59 <andythenorth> same condition for all python 3.x afaict 18:54:16 <andythenorth> so a single changed png negates much of the caching? 19:00:07 <andythenorth> hmm 19:00:14 <andythenorth> docs rendering seems much slower under pypy3 19:00:20 <andythenorth> maybe chameleon performance is poor 19:01:31 <Wolf01> o/ cat man 19:05:44 <Alberth> meow 19:09:59 <Wolf01> andy, how many claas xerion will you purchase? 19:10:34 <Wolf01> with my technic group we decided that at least 2 each is a fair number 19:23:37 <tt_johannes> configure does not work somehow... 19:23:44 <tt_johannes> when I type make it compiles 19:23:49 <tt_johannes> (including a configure) 19:24:07 <tt_johannes> when I then tell qtcreator to run make in the same directory, it configures and makes again 19:24:19 <tt_johannes> and when I go back to the commandline, make is invoking a configure again 19:32:04 <planetmaker> uhm... qtcreator? The question is, does that happen, if you only ever use make. And not qtcreator in between 19:32:26 <planetmaker> it might update whatever files in between. And with newer time stamp on some relevant ones, configure has to be re-executed 19:33:19 <tt_johannes> planetmaker: If I type make twice, it works 19:33:29 <tt_johannes> it's just when I switch between konsole and the IDE 19:33:49 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has joined #openttd 19:34:44 <tt_johannes> when I typed make after qtcreator, it said: "The system detected that source.list or any configure file is altered. Going to reconfigure with last known settings... 19:34:47 <tt_johannes> " 19:37:19 <planetmaker> well. There you go. Don't touch those files, unless you want a re-compile 19:37:36 <planetmaker> it's not configure's fault but your IDE, saving crap all over, without it being changed 19:37:56 <planetmaker> s/re-compile/re-configure/ 19:37:58 <Alberth> check for changes relative to the repo? 19:38:12 <Alberth> clearly the ide is doing something :) 19:38:43 <Alberth> but yeah, pseudo-smart software, such joys.... :p 19:39:22 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:40 <tt_johannes> planetmaker: what files could the IDE change? Of course, it has project files that it changes, but does openttd's configure tool know about them? 19:42:47 <tt_johannes> I did not register these prohect files 19:43:05 <andythenorth> Wolf01: probably no Xerion 19:43:11 <andythenorth> probably only the Volvo 19:43:16 <andythenorth> and even that, not sure 19:43:17 <andythenorth> :) 19:45:53 <Wolf01> :) 19:46:27 <andythenorth> itâs all nice, but eh, maybe I have enough technic 19:46:32 <andythenorth> and itâs mostly very expensive 19:47:31 <andythenorth> I am not sure about all these AFOL focussed sets 19:47:38 <andythenorth> not sure if there are enough AFOLs 19:48:30 <Wolf01> we are a nice group here :P 19:48:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@f049071174.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:50:02 <glx> [19:48:48] <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah. USB only ever works in the 3rd try :p <-- still better than SCART 19:50:46 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe ;) 19:56:52 <tt_johannes> an unformatted graph, not yet improved, just for fun to show some progress: https://www.docdroid.net/6XS14j9/graph1.pdf.html 19:57:01 <andythenorth> USB is for putting essential malware on your machine? 19:57:26 <andythenorth> SCART canât do that 19:57:28 <andythenorth> AFAIK 19:59:59 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:01:01 * Supercheese had never heard of SCART before now 20:01:08 <Supercheese> you learn something new each day 20:01:28 <andythenorth> Wolf01: there is some serious reverse engineering of the Porsche in Eurobricks 20:01:37 <Wolf01> :o 20:01:57 <andythenorth> mostly the sequential gear paddles 20:02:01 <andythenorth> nobody knows much else 20:02:09 <andythenorth> but if theyâre right, itâs very technically neat 20:10:31 * andythenorth back to FIRS 20:12:40 <andythenorth> ho 20:12:47 <andythenorth> Road Hog doesnât compile under pypy3 20:12:49 <andythenorth> what larks 20:13:13 <planetmaker> tt_johannes, if you have them open, it might simply save them w/o any change. Maybe. I don't know that IDE 20:13:43 <Wolf01> wow, sequential gearbox :O 20:14:36 <andythenorth> yup 20:14:47 <andythenorth> Lego pushing envelope 20:15:02 <andythenorth> hmm nmlc -s isnât getting me a useful stack trace 20:17:15 <andythenorth> ah 2 definitions of flags in makefile 20:17:30 <andythenorth> well: http://pastebin.com/raw/0dcW7k1h 20:18:29 <andythenorth> dropping the -c option for nmlc does not help 20:23:59 <frosch123> it's the sprite compression 20:24:04 <frosch123> you cannot disable that :p 20:24:05 <andythenorth> itâs pypy3 FWIW 20:24:19 <andythenorth> I was surprised it worked for FIRS :P 20:24:29 <andythenorth> I am curious why Road Hog fails, Iron Horse and FIRS don't 20:24:38 <andythenorth> same nmlc, PILLOW etc 20:25:37 <andythenorth> you might validly suspect simple user error 20:25:41 <andythenorth> but I canât see what I did wrong 20:27:39 <andythenorth> FISH works also 20:27:48 <frosch123> different palette? 20:27:53 <frosch123> did you go 32bpp? 20:28:07 <frosch123> what about the spritecache? 20:28:14 <frosch123> it won't encode if the spritecache is filled 20:29:25 <andythenorth> how would I determine that? 20:30:07 * andythenorth tries other pythons meanwhile 20:30:59 <andythenorth> road hog is surprisingly big 20:31:02 <andythenorth> 4600 sprites 20:31:10 <andythenorth> FIRS has only 3864 20:31:44 <andythenorth> vehicle cargo support I guess 20:32:04 <andythenorth> 0 cached 20:32:08 <andythenorth> even on repeat runs 20:32:56 <andythenorth> ah, they probably donât cache because theyâre regenerated every time in the compile 20:33:00 <andythenorth> maybe 20:33:20 <tt_johannes> planetmaker: well, it's a very good IDE (the one most kde/qt developers use), I don't think that it will do that :P 20:33:32 <andythenorth> road hog sprites all get pixa processed on every compile :P 20:33:47 <tt_johannes> I mostly wonder why it re-calls the configure file, that's really strange 20:34:32 <andythenorth> balls, instead of finishing FIRS I am pissing around timing compile runs :) 20:34:49 <andythenorth> not even trying to make them faster, just pure timewasting 20:35:18 <andythenorth> how does that xkcd âautomateâ chart apply, when you donât bother with the âautomateâ bit :P 20:37:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:49:17 <Supercheese> I generally find myself firmly on the "don't bother automating" side of that chart 20:49:39 <andythenorth> I would like to automate tasks like shaving 20:49:42 <andythenorth> and cleaning teeth 20:49:48 <Supercheese> like the paperwork I have to do at the office... yeah, there's quite probably a better way to automate it, but it would not be worth the time investment 20:53:17 *** tt_johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-195-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d01323b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:12:37 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C323E000455CF402D739E38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:48 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C323E000455CF402D739E38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:13:17 *** Wormnest_ [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 21:20:09 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:59 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C323E000455CF402D739E38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: iostat] 21:36:51 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:14:30 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:15:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1928F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:11 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has joined #openttd 22:18:06 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d02469f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:24:31 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@177.1.174.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:09 *** skybon [~artem@176.77.7.124] has joined #openttd 22:53:12 *** skybon [~artem@176.77.7.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:13 *** gelignite [~gelignite@f049071174.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 23:26:30 *** sla_ro|master2 [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 23:37:36 <Wolf01> 'night 23:37:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:38:57 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:29 *** Wormnest_ [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]