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06:36:31 *** JGR [~JGR@host109-158-44-126.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:04 *** JGR [~JGR@host213-1-22-46.range213-1.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:38:26 <Alkel_U3> in railroad tycoon your company has a financial rating and you can issue bonds as long as the rating is at least B (but which hurts the rating), or issue more stock (which makes your stock a little more worthless). 06:38:56 <Flygon> Ooh 06:39:02 <Flygon> Yeah, that'd be a nice feature :D 06:39:08 <Alkel_U3> the series also separates player's money from the company's 06:40:17 * Flygon nod 06:40:25 <Flygon> (btw, this 4k*4k Hokkaido scenario is really good) 06:54:46 <peter1138> 4k*4k is never good 06:55:42 <V453000> this battle is unwinnable peter1138 06:57:01 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@89.148.41.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:00:15 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@193.188.109.42] has joined #openttd 07:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, i found the "economy" always the worst part of RRT 08:20:40 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 08:27:47 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:31:39 *** MonkeyDrone2 [~Monkey@193.188.109.165] has joined #openttd 08:34:30 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:21 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@193.188.109.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:34 *** M-E [~M@ip4da0d6bd.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:02 *** Leanden [~oftc-webi@bcdc36c7.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 09:06:17 <Leanden> andythenorth: planetmaker: are either of you on? 09:24:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host157-194-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:31:50 <Leanden> anyone can help me with make? 09:31:58 <Leanden> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `BRTrains.grf'. make[1]: Nothing to be done for `docs/readme.txt'. make[1]: Nothing to be done for `docs/license.txt'. make[1]: Nothing to be done for `docs/changelog.txt'. 09:32:08 <Leanden> when i try to compile my GRF 09:32:26 <Wolf01> o/ 09:34:04 <Leanden> o/ 09:34:49 <V453000> there is nothing to be done about that Leanden 09:34:50 <V453000> :> 09:34:52 <V453000> hi 09:35:12 <Leanden> so how do i get my GRF to compile then :D 09:36:36 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@88.201.72.144] has joined #openttd 09:37:49 <Leanden> Help me obi V453000 kenobi, you're my only hope 09:38:01 <V453000> your only hope has no clue 09:38:06 <V453000> [u r fuked] 09:38:23 <V453000> idk, I got many errors but not this 09:38:25 <V453000> oh make 09:38:29 <V453000> it's not just nmlc 09:38:31 <V453000> hmmmmmmm 09:39:03 <V453000> I'm sure andy or pm will help you there, just be patient :) andy will come proceed the search for cat sooner or later 09:39:33 <V453000> did you try to check how makefiles on the devzone work? 09:42:16 <Leanden> :) 09:42:17 *** MonkeyDrone2 [~Monkey@193.188.109.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:29 <Leanden> im using makefiles from the devzone 09:42:32 <Leanden> thats the annoying thing 09:42:51 <Leanden> I took one from SBB set and change the IDs to my set 09:43:07 <Leanden> put all my code etc. in the same file layout as that set and it still doesnt work :P 09:51:03 <V453000> yeah there is likely some wtf magic 09:51:31 <V453000> I personally never used makefile, someone did it for me, and locally I compile only with nmlc single-NML-file grfs 09:51:38 <V453000> NUTS has 60k lines of code in1 file, but eh :D 09:52:05 <Leanden> well if i could remember the gcc command to compile an nml file from pnml then i would do that :P 09:55:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6C02F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:24 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 09:56:33 <Samu> hi 09:57:42 <Samu> i dont understand my router 09:57:54 <Leanden> ahh found it 09:57:55 <Leanden> gcc -C -E -nostdinc -x c-header -o BTtrains.nml BTtrains.pnml 09:58:51 <Samu> im trying to configure port forwarding since yesterday night without success 10:00:28 <Samu> localhost: I put 192.168.1.12 10:00:47 <Samu> protocol: I am uncertain here, it asks many stuff 10:02:04 <Samu> protocol: I picked TCP, then asks unique or interval 10:02:18 <Samu> origin, and destination 10:02:31 <Samu> how do i set up here? 10:02:38 <Leanden> what is the port forwarding for? 10:02:42 <Leanden> what is the purpose of it? 10:03:01 <Samu> I think its 3979 10:03:28 <Samu> host a openttd sserver, from 3979 to 3987 10:03:35 <Samu> 1 server on each port 10:04:43 <Samu> then i do the same for UDP 10:04:54 <Samu> and after that, there's one more thing to configure 10:05:10 <Samu> forward to port 10:05:31 <Samu> same as origin port 10:05:38 <Samu> or user defined 10:06:39 <peter1138> rtfm 10:07:02 <Samu> this is just for the router 10:07:06 <peter1138> yes 10:07:10 <Samu> then there's windows firewall which is another headache 10:07:21 <peter1138> windows firewall is easy 10:08:16 <Samu> i don't think so, it's quite dumb sometimes 10:13:34 <Samu> DMZ Host 10:13:49 <Samu> still says "we are not receiving acknowledge from master server" 10:19:57 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 10:20:48 <Samu_> nope, still fails 10:20:57 <Samu_> i bet it's windows firewall now 10:21:51 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:14 <Samu_> https://www.openttd.org/en/server/100258 10:24:17 <Samu_> there it is 10:24:29 <Samu_> it was windows firewall being stuborn 10:24:45 <Samu_> but now i got this on DMZ host, i dont want DMZ host, brb 10:27:17 <Samu_> crap, i hate this 10:27:23 <Samu_> no longer working without dmz host 10:29:38 <Samu_> i hate these new routers with their super extra secure features that require a networking degree just to port forward 10:29:51 <Samu_> old routers were so much easier 10:32:57 <Samu_> this is not an internet cafe, omg windows firewall really sucks 10:35:34 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@25.103.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 10:40:19 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:38 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@2001:41d0:1:f924::1] has quit [Quit: quit] 10:46:46 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@25.103.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:25 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 10:48:22 <Samu> i cannot advertise to master server 10:48:59 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:11 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:54 <Samu> Source Ports: Destination Ports: 10:50:00 <Samu> what are source ports? 10:50:28 <Samu> isn't it just 3979, why ask source or dest 11:06:16 <Xaroth|Work> It means you can open up one port, but point it to another internally 11:06:31 <Xaroth|Work> and really, it has been available on routers since the olden days 11:16:06 *** Leanden [~oftc-webi@bcdc36c7.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:29 <Samu> 1) Local Host: 192.168.1.12, 2) Protocol: TCP: source ports: any range, destination ports: any range, 3) Forward to Port: Same as incoming port. 11:24:07 <Samu> if i change any range to 3979, it won't work 11:24:13 <Samu> why? 11:27:56 <Samu> TCP and UDP both set with any range 11:28:04 <planetmaker> @ports 11:28:04 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 11:28:53 <Samu> oh, 3978 11:29:08 <Samu> brb 11:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i somehow don't think any of these answered the question 11:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> not that i think the answer would have helped anyway :p 11:45:17 <V453000> I don't know why nobody banned Samu yet 11:46:50 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:32 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@2001:41d0:1:f924::1] has joined #openttd 11:48:09 *** FR^2 is now known as Guest2573 11:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i like to distinguish people between "unknowing" (they don't know something, and if you tell them, they know) and stupid (they don't know something, and if you tell them, they still don't know) 11:49:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i've only met very few stupid people, but the ones that stick around are really really annoying 11:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> because they drain community ressources without the chance of a long term benefit 11:51:05 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@88.201.72.144] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56:42 <Wolf01> I feel offended :( 11:57:24 <V453000> I actually managed to ban a couple of these people on our server Eddi|zuHause 11:57:39 <V453000> just for the sake of staying sane 12:01:52 <Ketsuban> I recall having a similar conversation with someone about how there are newbies (those who do not yet know the norms of a community, and will learn) and noobs (those who have no interest in ever learning community norms and will just irritate people forever). 12:02:38 <Wolf01> those are trolls, not noobs 12:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, those words are not right 12:05:46 <V453000> sense is similar 12:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "noob" is too often used as a derogatory term by arrogant people for the above definition to apply 12:07:25 <Ketsuban> The distinction between "noob" and "troll" was one of intention. 12:07:36 <Ketsuban> Trolls set out to annoy people; noobs just do because they're oblivious. 12:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause> a person who uses the word "noob" is likely to be one himself 12:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (well, technically that applies to "stupid" as well) 12:11:37 <V453000> I think that statement applies purely based on how do you define that word Eddi, if you imagine it is said by a person who is arrogant and calling others lesser, OR if you see it as objective definition of a hopeless troll-ish person who will never learn because they don't want to 12:12:50 <Wolf01> it's the same as what happened to "hacker", the word doesn't have a bad meaning but people started to use it to define the guys who do bad actions with IT stuff 12:13:21 <Wolf01> mainly because journalists didn't know (and still don't) the right terms 12:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they performed a study on people who use "bad language" in LoL games, and compared their performance within the team, and usually the weakest person in the team used the "bad language" 12:14:21 <V453000> well yeah that's a fair point 12:14:36 <V453000> I'm not saying arrogant people calling stuff aren't that 12:14:50 <V453000> but if we are trying to objectively define what the word means, it shouldn't make us them :P 12:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but i still question whether the term "noob" ever objectively meant the above thing 12:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> (before it slipped in the other usage) 12:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a bit like people nowadays justifying racial slurs by citing "but it originally meant <objective definition>" 12:17:42 <Wolf01> noob, as n00b, started when the l33t-speakers were too lazy to write newbie 12:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> even if that definition once was true, it isn't anymore, and thus the usage is invalidated 12:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: that was probably around the same time that 1337 degraded into a kiddie-language 12:20:20 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (which again reinforces the point that "noob" is only used by people who are themselves "noob" [by above "original" definition]) 12:20:42 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:48 <V453000> OMG CAT 12:20:53 <V453000> and andy missed it 12:21:03 <V453000> no it rejoined 12:21:04 <V453000> good 12:21:39 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:01 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> we've had a conductorcat for quite a while now 12:23:59 <ConductorCat> :3 12:24:24 <V453000> guess andy just didn't find out yet 12:25:54 <Wolf01> meh... I can't understand how to handle exceptions in async code :| 12:26:57 <Wolf01> specially with parallel threads 12:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you generally need to handle them in the thread that raised them 12:27:37 <Wolf01> I know, but or the entire thread exits, or the thread become synchronous 12:28:02 <Wolf01> I need to skip the threads which threw exception 12:28:14 <Wolf01> keeping the whole thing asynchronous 12:28:24 <Wolf01> or the UI will hang 12:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know enough about your architecture to help you here 12:31:03 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:39 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:45 <Wolf01> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh194766%28v=vs.110%29.aspx I'm doing something like this, but instead of having a synchronous "Main()", I have an asynchronous event attached to the UI, and the "wait" breaks the asynchronous workflow 12:38:55 <argoneus> good morning train friends 12:42:17 <Samu> finally I managed to configure it! -> http://imgur.com/NYoifCn 12:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "wait()" will obviously pause the thread that called it 12:49:57 <Samu> sorry for bothering you all, this router is much more complex than what I had before 12:49:58 <Wolf01> yes, I should "await continuation;" 12:50:42 <Wolf01> and since my "continuation" provides a result, I have "var result = await continuation;" 12:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure about the semantics of that 12:51:04 <Wolf01> but now, it seem to be broken 12:51:55 <Wolf01> do you know the promises? 12:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you rather need a "if (continuation.finished) { do stuff with result } else { do nothing and try again later }" 12:53:15 <Wolf01> that's why they used synchronous code, "await" already does that without the need of doing the check 12:54:32 <Wolf01> it puts everything which follows the "await..." into a callback (at compiler time) and only runs it when the task has finished 12:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but "await" will still pause the thread it appears in 12:57:36 <Wolf01> no, it exits and continues the execution 12:57:57 <Wolf01> then when the task finishes, it executes the rest of the code 12:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, it exits to the calling function 12:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but that doesn't sound like you can return a result 12:59:20 <Wolf01> it returns a task 12:59:33 <Wolf01> which has your result if it's completed 12:59:48 <Wolf01> in this case, since I "await" it, it's completed 12:59:58 <Wolf01> and I can use the result in the promise 13:00:23 <Wolf01> if you try to do that in a synchronous code, you will hang up everything :P 13:00:57 <Wolf01> maybe forever, not just for the execution of the task (which might not complete succesfully) 13:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> then i still don't know enough about what you're doing 13:02:21 <Wolf01> me too, I'm just studying it :P 13:02:40 <Wolf01> but I've done some asynchronous programming in javascript 13:11:34 <Samu> the complexitude of this router: 1 cable, 2 ethernets, 2 wireless access points, 2 bridges (WAN and LAN), 1 ethernet switch 13:13:04 <supermop> yo 13:13:29 <Samu> hi 13:14:40 <Samu> my isp forces 2 ethernets with this router and with just 1 cable, 13:14:46 <Samu> amazing 13:15:47 <Samu> so it behaves as a free wifi spot 13:15:54 <Samu> okay i got it 13:23:05 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:25:12 <Wolf01> looks like I made it, the exception handling inside the task factory delegate 13:35:49 <peter1138> on error resume next 13:35:49 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@200.102.236.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:59 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@200.102.236.238] has joined #openttd 13:37:17 <Wolf01> that was vb6 :D 13:37:37 <Wolf01> spaghetti code exception handling 13:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "goto" :p 13:43:02 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:f1e6:a81e:e629:43af] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43:36 <Wolf01> the very basic one it was like "on error goto label" ... code... "end function... label: msgbox("error, you stupid"): resume next" 13:46:50 <Wolf01> Ok, I learned something new, now it's factorio time 13:53:42 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:17 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 14:12:58 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@200.102.236.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:16 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@200.102.236.238] has joined #openttd 14:15:48 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:15:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:15:56 <Alberth> moin 14:16:07 <Wolf01> o/ 14:34:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:58 <Alberth> hoi 14:35:05 <frosch123> moi 14:40:10 <Wolf01> mmmh, I built a train, set all the orders and stuff... built it on the wrong rail, I had to build a wye to turn it :| 14:43:41 <frosch123> that's unrealistic, post a "crane truck" suggestion on the forums 14:43:51 <peter1138> shunting! 14:57:01 <Samu> #opcodes before scripts are suspended= 250.000 15:02:39 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 15:04:47 <Wolf01> V453000, the train pathfinding doesn't like loops 15:07:58 <V453000> doesn't it? 15:07:59 <V453000> why? 15:08:10 <Wolf01> I don't know 15:08:37 <Wolf01> if I drive the train manually the track is right, even the signals 15:10:18 <Samu> dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer - what is this? 15:10:43 <Wolf01> the nice thing is that it says "no path" even just outside the station 15:10:58 <Wolf01> other trains don't have any problem 15:11:01 <peter1138> it means the string was too long for the destination buffer 15:11:11 <Wolf01> but this is the only one single-headed 15:12:47 <Wolf01> meh... found the culprit, an old signal hidden by a tree in the next tile of the other signal... I can't wait for the 0.13 15:13:45 <Wolf01> instead of having 2-way I had 2-one way :| 15:14:08 <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pw76e1mhk - i'm being bombared with that message 15:14:13 <Samu> not sure what it is 15:17:58 <Alberth> debug messages 15:18:19 <Alberth> don't compile with debug flags if you don't want them 15:19:02 <Samu> it's 1.6.0, i didn't compile it, i downloaded from openttd.org 15:22:38 <Samu> debuglevel misc=0, still says it 15:31:24 <_dp_> oh, mb I know what it is, in multiplayer lobby server_name + "(ipv6)" gives it sometimes 15:34:42 <Samu> the string is: fffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff 15:35:06 <Samu> ehm... is this an ipv6 address? 15:36:27 <Wolf01> looks like a gust of wind 15:38:50 <Samu> trying to follow back where it originates 15:39:00 <Samu> it's from OWNER_DEITY 15:39:07 <Samu> trying to do a command 15:40:28 <Samu> NetworkSendCommand 15:40:44 <Samu> strecpy(c.text, (text != NULL) ? text : "", lastof(c.text)); 15:41:04 <Samu> this is what triggers that message 15:41:51 <Samu> c.text = îâ¬â¬1:îâ¬â¬83:îâ¬â¬84:îâ¬â¬15:1:0:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:ffffffffffffffff:fffffffffffffff 15:42:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:14 <Samu> so, well, no idea what this means, but that's where it originates 15:43:07 <Samu> it's dealing wit tile 0 15:46:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:06 <Samu> cmd = 88 which is CMD_UPDATE_STORY_PAGE_ELEMENT 15:57:30 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@200.102.236.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:42 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@200.102.236.238] has joined #openttd 16:04:11 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:18 <Wolf01> bbl 16:11:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 16:13:55 *** george911 [~oftc-webi@ip-78-102-47-77.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:21:07 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@a85-139-84-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 16:21:56 *** george911 [~oftc-webi@ip-78-102-47-77.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:28 <Samu> why do ppl create servers that are impossible to join in 30 seconds... 16:45:35 <Samu> rats 16:45:52 <Samu> i joined my server and it made the server crash 16:47:15 <Samu> no crash log 16:47:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:29 <Samu> event viewer says faulty module ntdll.dll 16:56:36 <Samu> process openttd.exe 16:57:02 <Samu> c0000005 16:58:28 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:07:15 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:12 <andythenorth> o/ 17:14:36 <Samu> i managed to reproduce the crash with visual studio open 17:14:39 <Samu> Unhandled exception at 0x00007FFA8D2E0B06 (ntdll.dll) in openttd.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation writing location 0x00000080CAC1FFF8. 17:14:43 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:03 <Samu> it says ntdll.exe is external code, can't view stack frame things 17:15:13 <Samu> oops ntdll.dll 17:18:34 <Alberth> o/ 17:19:15 <Samu> ntdll.pdb - Source Not Available 17:19:20 <Samu> what now? :( 17:19:44 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e3011ea.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:01 <Alberth> it looks like the nt file system thingie, which of course has no source code 17:24:10 <andythenorth> the xkcd for âyak shavingâ isnât quite what Iâm looking for :P 17:24:22 <andythenorth> I wanted a cartoon for âstarting a new game of ottd" 17:24:43 <andythenorth> https://xkcd.com/349/ 17:31:10 <Samu> > ntdll.dll!RtlpLowFragHeapFree () Unknown 17:31:18 <Samu> this is where it crashes 17:31:57 <frosch123> when a truck crashes into your house, your house is not the problem 17:32:23 <frosch123> rather look where the truck came from 17:33:58 <glx> ntdll is a windows library 17:34:41 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@HSI-KBW-5-56-185-40.hsi16.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:00 <Samu> if (!HeapFree(select_heap(block), 0, block)) 17:35:13 <Samu> this is whhere it would return 17:35:16 <glx> you can't do anything about it 17:35:38 <Samu> didn't return, just crashed on the ntdll.dll 17:36:26 <Samu> free_base.cpp, line 100 17:37:45 <andythenorth> is this rhymme known? http://www.twinkl.co.uk/image/resource_preview_xlarge/T-T-19583-There-Was-an-Old-Lady-Who-Swallowed-a-Fly-Sequencing-Cards.jpg 17:43:19 <Alkel_U3> I recall seeing something similar in czech 17:44:44 * andythenorth swallows a horse 17:45:15 <andythenorth> to start my openttd game, I need to (1) patch FIRS (done), (2) patch CHIPS, (3) patch OpenTTD :P 17:45:34 <frosch123> there is an incredible boring but somehow popular book about a snake swallowing an elephant 17:46:01 <frosch123> andythenorth: that is all fine as long as you do not have to patch patch 17:46:24 <andythenorth> sometimes it also involves rebuilding all the deps in my OS :P 17:46:28 <andythenorth> although that is less common 17:54:45 <andythenorth> this just so I can play a test game on Iron Horse Antelope, which will result in more work 17:54:46 <andythenorth> :P 17:55:35 <andythenorth> amused irony probably fails to come across well in irc 17:55:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@89.246.178.4] has joined #openttd 17:56:22 <frosch123> try on forums instead? :p 17:57:22 <andythenorth> ha ha 17:57:56 <andythenorth> unrelated, can we declare OpenTTD 2.0, and break a load of backwards compatibility? 17:58:05 <andythenorth> thereâs no good reason, but it might be fun 18:00:26 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host157-194-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:00:46 <Wolf01> o/ 18:00:47 <andythenorth> lo Wolf01 18:00:57 <frosch123> wait 4 years for it 18:01:06 <Wolf01> "kitten hungry is the free app for today" 18:01:09 <frosch123> i like the easy method to derive the release date from the version 18:01:32 <andythenorth> we could give releases subtitles 18:01:38 <andythenorth> âbreaks everything editionâ 18:02:00 <andythenorth> âspurious new features edition" 18:02:13 <andythenorth> âall climates are now toyland editionâ 18:02:15 <Wolf01> !logs 18:02:29 <Wolf01> was @? 18:05:16 <Samu> glx: how do i create a dump when msvc breaks on some error? 18:05:17 <andythenorth> https://xkcd.com/1428/ 18:06:19 <Wolf01> :) 18:06:27 <Samu> or, how do i upload this crash 18:06:37 <Samu> because openttd doesn't create the crash files 18:08:22 <Wolf01> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/frenchman-demands-280000-after-being-bored-out-of-his-job/ 18:08:26 <Wolf01> nice 18:09:38 *** qwebirc67434 [~oftc-webi@h201.153.30.69.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:46 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:19:52 * andythenorth looks for Tropic landscape patch 18:27:15 *** qwebirc67434 [~oftc-webi@h201.153.30.69.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:37:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:30 <Wolf01> meh, biters nest in starting area :| 18:44:55 <andythenorth> is biters a newgrf? o_O 18:46:00 <Alkel_U3> biters in NUTS as a new engine class? :-) 18:46:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:05 <glx> Samu: this crash is not in openttd 18:48:23 * andythenorth transports nuts 18:48:27 <andythenorth> because Busy Bee said so 18:51:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 19:01:49 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 19:13:49 <Samu> openttd is trying to delete something from memory but then ntdll crashes with access violation and points to RtlpLowFragHeapFree() 19:13:51 <Samu> being the function that errors 19:14:21 <Samu> it seems to be some AI that causes the error 19:15:49 <Samu> some AI is working with massive numbers of arrays 19:16:10 <Samu> dont know what's that, but it's repeatedly creating, deleting, creating, deleteing 19:16:18 <Samu> one of them triggered a crash 19:16:31 <Samu> triggered on delete 19:17:49 <Samu> i have no idea which AI is doing this, I loaded 15 AIs + GS 19:18:49 <Samu> they append stuff to network commands? 19:19:01 <Samu> bah i better give up 19:19:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:27 <Samu> it crashed again, now the error was triggered from somewhere else 19:30:34 <Samu> i was joining the server with a client 19:30:43 <Samu> openttd was executing a loop 19:30:45 <Samu> void WriteLoop(byte *p, size_t len, lzma_action action) 19:31:21 <Samu> lzma code sent something about freeing memory to ntdll.dll and ntdll.dll crashed 19:31:38 <Samu> symptoms are a bit similar, access violation 19:31:44 <Samu> writing memory 19:35:40 <Samu> > ntdll.dll!RtlpHeapTrkInterceptor () Unknown 19:35:42 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:45:13 <Samu> isn't lzma code open? why can't i access it? :\ 19:48:35 <Wolf01> aren't you serious, you are? 19:49:27 <Samu> intellisense 19:49:40 <Samu> didn't let me explore inside lzma 19:49:56 <Wolf01> there is a little difference between source code and compiled library 19:53:59 <Samu> openttd writeloop > lzma optimized encode fast > ntdll rtlheaptrkinterceptor -> crashes here 19:55:25 <Samu> memory management issues, i guess 20:16:03 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 20:19:51 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest2618 20:19:52 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 20:25:51 *** Guest2618 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:36:57 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:39 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@HSI-KBW-5-56-185-40.hsi16.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: srhnsn] 20:45:54 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:17 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:07:42 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:04 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 21:27:04 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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